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never,dont own one..when you if ever use a high lift jack,[ widow maker ],,it helps to strap the diff to the body,,less lift..stay alive..best thing instead of that ''flag''..is chain.3m..also good for 100,s of uses..ausie..
Hey Ryan. When attaching the winch hook to the back of the red Jeep you brought it down onto the shackle. A safer practice is to hook up from underneath, that way if for any reason the hook were to pop off it would fly down into the ground, not up into the air.
Good vid. One minor point, when using an auto tranny vehicle as an anchor, always in neutral, never in park, as the forces involved can shear the parking pawl right off your tranny and end you up with a nasty repair bill. Also, it's possible to use the hi-lift as a manual winch in the event your winch fails or you don't have one but do have a hi-lift.
I always put my foot on my break of my auto Jeep when winching, the automatic transmission in park (even with the parking break) is not designed to hold the force it takes to pull a stuck vehicle out and can damage the transmission. Solid overall video though!
I had the same concerns and added "line lock" to my Jeep. Drag racers used to use it. I put the brakes on, flip the switch and the solenoid operated valve holds the pressure in the front brakes. That way I can still operate the winch from outside the Jeep to better view what is happening.
As an ironworker that uses shackles all the time, one important practice is to never tighten the pin all the way , back it off slightly so it doesn’t get stuck under tension
Remove or spin the clamp end on the hi-lift jack 19:16, those make nice dents in your sheet metal. Also a shovel is one of the most basic and important items to have. Never place your trans into park, get in and place your foot on the break instead. You can break the lock pin since they are not designed for such loads. Been there, done that. Cheers from Canada.
Great video for refreshing my memory from my “recovery class” that I took previously. The hook NOT in the upside down position was the only thing amiss. Super simple video and no drama 👍🏼😎 thanks man!
Not all recovery ropes or straps stretch, only kinetic ones do. There's tow straps, recovery straps, and kinetic recovery straps/ropes. Winch dampers should be used by 3's, both ends and the middle.
So for winching backwards, the amount of line being used would always be the same. For every inch you give up rolling back, you add at the front end. So the line can’t be rolled up into the winch, so it should not work.
Hi guys Great video. I did notice that on at least one winch technique that you did not use the safety bag on the line. I would think that you would use it whenever you're winching just as protection. Thoughts!?
I'm new to your channel. Just got into the Jeep world.. purchased a 2012 Wrangler sport 2dr. Your videos are very informative.. keep up the great work..
Great video. One of the best and most through I have seen on line. Only one thing I disagree with. When winching up hill, if possible, put the strap higher on the tree. This way the cable, most important with synthetic cable, does not contact the ground. Also the winch is pulling you up the hill and not down into it. Of course the tree you are attaching to will limit how high you can go. BTW Once I did have to winch backwards. I just ran the cable under the Jeep. Not great for the cable, but it worked. Thank god it was not in mud or snow.
I stopped storing my winch hook on my D-ring, because of potential cutting the cable if I were to hit something (I don't think it would take much to pinch and sever the cable against the bumper). I now winch the hook in all the way to the fairlead and fold the hook over. It doesn't look as cool, but now the cable is completely protected.
excellent info for us newbies. One question though, you said to put the hood up to protect the driver, but then you stood next to the vehicle as you used the winch remote. Should the person with the remote also be behind the Jeep if possible?
Even with the synthetic line a winch "flag" or "blanket" is a good idea. If the line breaks you could still have the hook and/or shackles flying through the air and the flag will help.
This information is super helpful. I do wish we would here a lot more about using Mechanical advantage to our benefit when it comes to recovery. With the use of a match block an a bombproof anchor, you could easily have a 2:1 mechanical advantage my running the winch from an anchor back to your rig as opposed to directly to an anchor. It puts a lot less strain on your recovery equipment and doubles your recovery capabilities. Don't get me started on 3:1a 😅
There is no way the setup to pull the jeep backwards would work. The movement seen was line tension and the tree bending. The distance between the tree in front and in back doesn't change. If you pull the jeep backwards the from the winch to the first tree would actually increase but the the action of the winch is decreasing the amount of line. You basically pulling against your self. You made a big circle and no matter how you twist the circle up, the length of the line will always be the same.
It works because if you focus on the V formed by the 2 lines at the rear of the Jeep... that V gets flattened out as the the line is pulled in. So....those 2 rear lines get shorter and you move rearward. Think of the (1st) line going from winch to front tree and (2nd) line going to the 2nd tree as just redirection lines. Line 3 and 4 get "consumed".
I live in a town that gets random dumps of 1 feet deep of snow in a day in the winter time I pulled out 6 people this winter, one of them was my dad who still drives 2 wheel drive trucks no matter how many times he gets stuck
if your new,join a registered club,or theres outlets to learn,for a fee..heres my 2c,,join a club,,not a pub club,,do not buy an IFS 4x4,do not buy an auto 4x4,do not buy a short wheel base,,do not have auto hubs or traction control. basically,buy an old,reliable,4x4.easy to fix..plus,you need 35" tires..& decent tools belts hoses,recovery gear,,WATER. or you die..
Great video!! Great information!! The land anchor is something new for me, looks cool!! But one question, can this be used in the sand (desert) or even soft mud?? Im afraid that it might fly off and damage the vehicle.
Bow-shackle versus D-ring. Kinetic rope versus kinetic strap. The top clevis of the hi lift jack is in a little dangerous position - it could damage a vehicle's door!
This is an old video but the only way that shackle on the bumper is going to fail, is if it's damaged. The rating on it is far, far higher than the line. In this model if the line breaks, it's not taking a shackle with it. Popping the hood is unnecessary and blocks viewing. The bumper is rated at 45,000lbs, the shackle is rated for something like 35,000lbs. The line is rated for 15,000 lbs. The winch is rated for 9,500lbs. In this model the things that are going to fail (in order) are winch, line, and shackle. I mean, I guess the hood-up doesn't hurt and it might help, but I really doubt the value of it. If it's really a concern, use a soft shackle.
I'm watching this the day after I got my jeep stuck Teetering on the side off the road and yes it's still there im going back to get it in a couple of days when we can get to it lol
Never put your vehicle in park when winching. You can break the parking pin. Just put it in neutral, chalk the wheels, and apply the e-break. If its a manual leave it in gear as well.
I'd like to suggest putting the snatch strap on the front and leading it inside the car before we cross a questionable crossing, so it's ready to throw without climbing on the outside at all.
If anyone here is daring enough to go through a body of muddy water without a winch I can tell you from experience that a High-jack can get you out of there as long as traction is the issue ! I was stuck in a rut with water up to the top of my jeeps tires and it was nothing but mud under my under them! I had to jack up my car and throw rocks under my tires till I could back out of there. Don't ask why I was alone or without a winch but the point is if you have a High-jack and are stuck in mud use what you have and get out of there
Did it bother anyone else that he kept putting the hook on open side down? And when winching the red jeep up the hill straight on, he stood NEXT to the line and it didn't have the flag on it? Practice what you preach dude...
I think if you need to pull yourself backwards out I would invest in a hitch mounted winch and put power plugs on both bumpers and hitch system too. That you can move to the end that you need it. Because I don’t think all trails has a turnaround so you can help the vehicle that is behind you.
It's not a Rope Flag, it's called a "Recovery Rope Dampener." Dampener: to subdue, control... Just in case cable, strap or rope breaks. You were holding a "Kinetic Recovery Rope" and calling it a strap. A "Recovery Strap" is flat and pretty much looks like a flattened fireman's hose. What your calling a D-ring is actually called a "Recovery Rope Shackle." D ring is usually pertaining to a hard non-flexible shackle. It's also important to add Recovery Boards to your Recovery Kit amongst a few more extras. Also when you attach your "Short Recovery Strap" aka Tree Saver you should wrap the strap at the same elevation of your winch unless you need to elevate the front of your vehicle then you would elevate the strap higher up on the trunk. You would not wrap the strap on the lowest part of the trunk because once the vehicle straightens up, you're adding extra downward tension on the line. Just some Helpful Advice.
Love this video! 💪🏼💪🏼 The Australians would be angry at you for using a D ring on your tree saver. Hook up directly to the tree strap. Avoid unnecessary connections
are there videos of this little pouch actually keeping the line down when it snaps? You can't predict where its going to break, so I'm having trouble envisioning how this bag of rocks keeps the line from whiplashing...if not swinging a bag of rocks at you. Even super heavy cables still fly through the air despite their weight.
The technique has been around for decades. Although old school is to toss a jacket or blanket over the line. The added weight rapidly reduces the whipping momentum of the line.
For winching backwards, what issues would you run into by just running the line underneath the jeep if you didn't have enough equipment to do the reverse pull?
I think the reason why it stop moving is because you had a force pulling the jeep foward and at the same time another force pulling the jeep backwards and when thease two forces balance each other the jeep could not moved anymore neither foward or backwards. This is a physics impossibility.
Sorry I had to comment again. I know not every situation can be covered in one video. I run steel cable and never wear gloves. The reason being is that I never have the cable run threw my hands. I always walk the cable to the winch. It does take longer, but I will never get my hand caught in the winch. I tried to find a YT video on that but was unsuccessful. I know that they are out there, I have seen them. Keep hands clear of the rollers. You can loose fingers or hands on that winch. This is why my old winch and new one came with a nylon strap on the tow hook. I believe that far more injuries are caused by this than cables snapping. Hence, the reason every new winch comes with a nylon strap. One more useful tip. Always test your winch before going on a trip. They do fail. Thank god mine never failed when I needed it. I burnt out the motor one time, the solenoid the next, but never on a trip.
So the only thing i can say about this is dont always use a d ring if you dont have to ie on a tree saver. If your winch or rope can attach without it removes one more point for failure or flying objects.
It’s a 3 to 1 system so it wouldn’t be going back at 1/4 speed it would be going back at 1/3 speed also that’s the same reason why the jeep only moved a little bit it takes a lot of pulling to move a small distance the more pulleys you have The less distance it’ll go but the easier it’ll be
Good stuff. One more piece of equipment to have is a hi-lift jack mate or lift mate. Instead of jacking from the slider in that last example, lift the wheel with the jack and the lift mate and put a rock underneath. Using that set up there would be less chance of the jack sliding on the slider. ...just sayin'. It might be helpful.
This really makes me wonder - what the hell is the point of the dinky hooks that Jeep puts on their bumpers from the factory? It seems like it would be really easy for something to slip off of them, especially considering how the recovery straps stretch and recoil.
You can use a hi lift jack as a come along with tow straps or chains to an anchor point...can just get a come along...you may have to reset it a few times but it will pull you out. Even a heavy duty ratchet strap. I've had my winch fail and had to get creative. If you got enough rope you can make a flip flop winch...you tube it
Wtf did you go through all the snatch blocks for and connect to the back of Jeep? This just had the Jeep pulling on both ends of itself and that’s why it only went so far.
If you dont connect back to the jeep theres no force pulling it back. It doesn't matter how you rig up the line on the trees its just going to pull the direction of the initial direction coming out of the winch. I don't get the physics of it though, it seems like the forces should cancel out. Maybe something to do with the number of pulleys behind the car vs in front.
wtflol6969 yea my point is two opposite forces are only going to move it so far as we saw. Then they just bind and the line is at risk of breaking with all those pulleys.
It would work, because the line going from the tree then to the bumper then the tree makes a v. If the jeep was left in neutral with the brake off, as you pull from the front it should take up the slack in the back. As he pointed out though, it puts a lot of stress on all the lines, so you're not going to move far.
You do this because it works like a double line pull at the back, which is more mechanical advantage then the 1:1 at the front so it ensures it pulls backwards.
Pop your hood up to protect you but not the engine. Well maybe just maybe having a reliable winch system and to check on its condition before hand would be much more sensible
You could also learn the proper use of a snatch block…. If you do it right a 300 pound max winch can pull up to 1100+ pounds but instead your using it as a pulley.
He was at a safe distance and using a wireless remote. If the line was to break it would go straight back towards the vehicle and not the sides. If you dont have a remote you would be inside protected by the hood.
Ok as an intro vid, but the aussies have ya beat🤣🙊. Keep yer flag closer to yer hook. Quick ref to your winching backwards, you reeeeeally need to state that you can only winch in small increments, then release all tension, and re tension. You are essentially rigged to tear your equipment apart, using double the pullng power in the back than that of the front. Not recommended, but needs to be done by repetetive tensioning, and slackening of the system.
Those land anchors are far to large, i prefer a picket system much more, using a short piece of heavy duty tow chain and 3 or 4 1/2" steel bars. Easy to pack, easy to setup, easy to recover once your out.
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When was the last time you got your Jeep stuck?
never,dont own one..when you if ever use a high lift jack,[ widow maker ],,it helps to strap the diff to the body,,less lift..stay alive..best thing instead of that ''flag''..is chain.3m..also good for 100,s of uses..ausie..
Hey Ryan. When attaching the winch hook to the back of the red Jeep you brought it down onto the shackle. A safer practice is to hook up from underneath, that way if for any reason the hook were to pop off it would fly down into the ground, not up into the air.
Hey, great suggestion! Thank you for sharing to help others keep their Jeeps safe!
Good vid. One minor point, when using an auto tranny vehicle as an anchor, always in neutral, never in park, as the forces involved can shear the parking pawl right off your tranny and end you up with a nasty repair bill. Also, it's possible to use the hi-lift as a manual winch in the event your winch fails or you don't have one but do have a hi-lift.
I always put my foot on my break of my auto Jeep when winching, the automatic transmission in park (even with the parking break) is not designed to hold the force it takes to pull a stuck vehicle out and can damage the transmission. Solid overall video though!
Thank you for the feedback, Casey!
put it in neutral not park, good way to shear your parking fork they cant hold that much weight
I had the same concerns and added "line lock" to my Jeep. Drag racers used to use it. I put the brakes on, flip the switch and the solenoid operated valve holds the pressure in the front brakes. That way I can still operate the winch from outside the Jeep to better view what is happening.
The e-brake only operates the rear brakes. Putting your foot on the brake pedal operates all of the brakes.
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As an ironworker that uses shackles all the time, one important practice is to never tighten the pin all the way , back it off slightly so it doesn’t get stuck under tension
Great tip, Kevin! Thanks for watching! -Zach
Remove or spin the clamp end on the hi-lift jack 19:16, those make nice dents in your sheet metal. Also a shovel is one of the most basic and important items to have. Never place your trans into park, get in and place your foot on the break instead. You can break the lock pin since they are not designed for such loads. Been there, done that. Cheers from Canada.
Great video but a word of caution. NEVER allow your body, neck, or face to get in the arc of the handle. Handy man jacks can be quick and deadly.
Very informative. Thanks for taking the time to do these recovery techniques. As a newbie, this is great.
Thanks for sharing. 7:01 Why is the soft shackle necessary? Why not hook the winch directly to the eyelets of the tree saver?
I’ve watched dozens of your reviews but man, was this a good video. Thank you for all your knowledge and God Bless!
Thanks for watching, Cameron! -Zach
Great video for refreshing my memory from my “recovery class” that I took previously. The hook NOT in the upside down position was the only thing amiss. Super simple video and no drama 👍🏼😎 thanks man!
Thanks for watching! -Zach
the high jack for us who lived in the 70's and early 80's all it is is a bumper jack and yes have to be careful but works great
Not all recovery ropes or straps stretch, only kinetic ones do. There's tow straps, recovery straps, and kinetic recovery straps/ropes. Winch dampers should be used by 3's, both ends and the middle.
So for winching backwards, the amount of line being used would always be the same. For every inch you give up rolling back, you add at the front end. So the line can’t be rolled up into the winch, so it should not work.
thank you Ryan!! came out clutch ! Jeep Fam !
So good!! Thank you!! One thing to have all those tools but this gives me the knowledge and confidence in how to use them!
I really like the use of the soft anchor. I've been wanting a technique for open country, and that looks like a good one.
MountainMan Especially on the beach where I am, too.
Outstanding video to help newbies like me learn recovery and what tools to use. 😊
Thanks for watching!! -Zach
Hi guys
Great video. I did notice that on at least one winch technique that you did not use the safety bag on the line. I would think that you would use it whenever you're winching just as protection.
Thoughts!?
I'm new to your channel. Just got into the Jeep world.. purchased a 2012 Wrangler sport 2dr. Your videos are very informative.. keep up the great work..
I love my front and rear Barricade bumpers from XT...Great video! Thanks!
Great video. One of the best and most through I have seen on line. Only one thing I disagree with. When winching up hill, if possible, put the strap higher on the tree. This way the cable, most important with synthetic cable, does not contact the ground. Also the winch is pulling you up the hill and not down into it. Of course the tree you are attaching to will limit how high you can go.
BTW Once I did have to winch backwards. I just ran the cable under the Jeep. Not great for the cable, but it worked. Thank god it was not in mud or snow.
Thank you for the feedback! -Zach
I stopped storing my winch hook on my D-ring, because of potential cutting the cable if I were to hit something (I don't think it would take much to pinch and sever the cable against the bumper). I now winch the hook in all the way to the fairlead and fold the hook over. It doesn't look as cool, but now the cable is completely protected.
excellent info for us newbies. One question though, you said to put the hood up to protect the driver, but then you stood next to the vehicle as you used the winch remote. Should the person with the remote also be behind the Jeep if possible?
Even with the synthetic line a winch "flag" or "blanket" is a good idea. If the line breaks you could still have the hook and/or shackles flying through the air and the flag will help.
This information is super helpful. I do wish we would here a lot more about using Mechanical advantage to our benefit when it comes to recovery. With the use of a match block an a bombproof anchor, you could easily have a 2:1 mechanical advantage my running the winch from an anchor back to your rig as opposed to directly to an anchor. It puts a lot less strain on your recovery equipment and doubles your recovery capabilities. Don't get me started on 3:1a 😅
Great stuff, I am getting our Jeep setup with a winch now.......Great to avoid those obvious mistakes.
Great details thank you. What did you call that rare tool where you dont have another vehicle or a tree? A land anchor?
Excellent video keep these coming.
Thanks, I found this video very helpful
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
Good instruction. Thanks!
Thanks for watching! -Zach
This was exactly what I needed, thank you.
Thanks for watching! -Zach
There is no way the setup to pull the jeep backwards would work. The movement seen was line tension and the tree bending. The distance between the tree in front and in back doesn't change. If you pull the jeep backwards the from the winch to the first tree would actually increase but the the action of the winch is decreasing the amount of line. You basically pulling against your self. You made a big circle and no matter how you twist the circle up, the length of the line will always be the same.
It works because of the third snatch block.
It works because if you focus on the V formed by the 2 lines at the rear of the Jeep... that V gets flattened out as the the line is pulled in. So....those 2 rear lines get shorter and you move rearward.
Think of the (1st) line going from winch to front tree and (2nd) line going to the 2nd tree as just redirection lines.
Line 3 and 4 get "consumed".
Why are you standing in the cable snap zone?
Great video. Thanks
Thanks for watching! -Zach
Perfect video. Simple and to the point.
Thanks for watching, Mike! We appreciate it! -Zach
very well explained video.
Thanks for watching! -Zach
Great video
Thanks for watching, Justin! -Zach
Very educational for a novice like me... thanks!
This was great. Thank you
Thank you for watching! -Zach
I live in a town that gets random dumps of 1 feet deep of snow in a day in the winter time I pulled out 6 people this winter, one of them was my dad who still drives 2 wheel drive trucks no matter how many times he gets stuck
same lol. I don't know why my dad and grandpa had such disdain for 4x4s or so much love for 2wds.
Great work
Thanks for watching, Ryan! We appreciate it! -Zach
Great video!
Thanks for watching, Mike! -Zach
Thank you very much.....I'm new to this...and this was a very helpful video....
Thank you for watching, Keith! -Zach
if your new,join a registered club,or theres outlets to learn,for a fee..heres my 2c,,join a club,,not a pub club,,do not buy an IFS 4x4,do not buy an auto 4x4,do not buy a short wheel base,,do not have auto hubs or traction control. basically,buy an old,reliable,4x4.easy to fix..plus,you need 35" tires..& decent tools belts hoses,recovery gear,,WATER. or you die..
Great video!! Great information!! The land anchor is something new for me, looks cool!! But one question, can this be used in the sand (desert) or even soft mud?? Im afraid that it might fly off and damage the vehicle.
This is such a great video!
Thanks for the kind words and for watching, Joseph! We appreciate it! -Zach
I'll be getting 1 or perhaps even 2 more pulleys into my bag. Nice!
Super useful video. Thank you!
Bow-shackle versus D-ring. Kinetic rope versus kinetic strap. The top clevis of the hi lift jack is in a little dangerous position - it could damage a vehicle's door!
This is an old video but the only way that shackle on the bumper is going to fail, is if it's damaged. The rating on it is far, far higher than the line. In this model if the line breaks, it's not taking a shackle with it. Popping the hood is unnecessary and blocks viewing. The bumper is rated at 45,000lbs, the shackle is rated for something like 35,000lbs. The line is rated for 15,000 lbs. The winch is rated for 9,500lbs. In this model the things that are going to fail (in order) are winch, line, and shackle. I mean, I guess the hood-up doesn't hurt and it might help, but I really doubt the value of it. If it's really a concern, use a soft shackle.
Good stuff!
Thanks for watching, Bruce! -Zach
I'm watching this the day after I got my jeep stuck Teetering on the side off the road and yes it's still there im going back to get it in a couple of days when we can get to it lol
Never put your vehicle in park when winching.
You can break the parking pin. Just put it in neutral, chalk the wheels, and apply the e-break. If its a manual leave it in gear as well.
Thank you, some very good information.
Can you do a video using an air-Jack?
I'd like to suggest putting the snatch strap on the front and leading it inside the car before we cross a questionable crossing, so it's ready to throw without climbing on the outside at all.
THANK YOU!!
Thank YOU for watching! -Zach
If anyone here is daring enough to go through a body of muddy water without a winch I can tell you from experience that a High-jack can get you out of there as long as traction is the issue ! I was stuck in a rut with water up to the top of my jeeps tires and it was nothing but mud under my under them! I had to jack up my car and throw rocks under my tires till I could back out of there. Don't ask why I was alone or without a winch but the point is if you have a High-jack and are stuck in mud use what you have and get out of there
I wouldn't have thought of popping the hood. Good call.
Thanks for watching! -Zach
If you're as old ad me and remember when cars had steel bumpers, all cars came with jacks like that which hooked into a slot in the bumper
Did it bother anyone else that he kept putting the hook on open side down? And when winching the red jeep up the hill straight on, he stood NEXT to the line and it didn't have the flag on it?
Practice what you preach dude...
That land anchor seems to be a great tool to have.
Definitely isn't a bad thing to have more tools available to get un-stuck! -Zach
Great info, thanks
Can you winch with Hi Lift jack?
John Diaz you can. Though it can be dangerous. There are videos if you search.
I think if you need to pull yourself backwards out I would invest in a hitch mounted winch and put power plugs on both bumpers and hitch system too. That you can move to the end that you need it. Because I don’t think all trails has a turnaround so you can help the vehicle that is behind you.
You guys do a nice job. Love my new JL bumper from XT! 🇺🇸
Another option for the land anchor is your spare tire buried in the dirt however this would be a last resort being how hard it’ll be
It's not a Rope Flag, it's called a "Recovery Rope Dampener." Dampener: to subdue, control... Just in case cable, strap or rope breaks. You were holding a "Kinetic Recovery Rope" and calling it a strap. A "Recovery Strap" is flat and pretty much looks like a flattened fireman's hose. What your calling a D-ring is actually called a "Recovery Rope Shackle." D ring is usually pertaining to a hard non-flexible shackle. It's also important to add Recovery Boards to your Recovery Kit amongst a few more extras. Also when you attach your "Short Recovery Strap" aka Tree Saver you should wrap the strap at the same elevation of your winch unless you need to elevate the front of your vehicle then you would elevate the strap higher up on the trunk. You would not wrap the strap on the lowest part of the trunk because once the vehicle straightens up, you're adding extra downward tension on the line. Just some Helpful Advice.
Love this video! 💪🏼💪🏼 The Australians would be angry at you for using a D ring on your tree saver. Hook up directly to the tree strap. Avoid unnecessary connections
It depends on the shape of the hook. Some have a bevel that could cut the tree strap under enough tension.
are there videos of this little pouch actually keeping the line down when it snaps? You can't predict where its going to break, so I'm having trouble envisioning how this bag of rocks keeps the line from whiplashing...if not swinging a bag of rocks at you. Even super heavy cables still fly through the air despite their weight.
The technique has been around for decades. Although old school is to toss a jacket or blanket over the line. The added weight rapidly reduces the whipping momentum of the line.
For winching backwards, what issues would you run into by just running the line underneath the jeep if you didn't have enough equipment to do the reverse pull?
Would work in an emergency, but many opportunities to cut the line under there. 😉
I think the reason why it stop moving is because you had a force pulling the jeep foward and at the same time another force pulling the jeep backwards and when thease two forces balance each other the jeep could not moved anymore neither foward or backwards. This is a physics impossibility.
Sorry I had to comment again. I know not every situation can be covered in one video. I run steel cable and never wear gloves. The reason being is that I never have the cable run threw my hands. I always walk the cable to the winch. It does take longer, but I will never get my hand caught in the winch. I tried to find a YT video on that but was unsuccessful. I know that they are out there, I have seen them. Keep hands clear of the rollers. You can loose fingers or hands on that winch. This is why my old winch and new one came with a nylon strap on the tow hook. I believe that far more injuries are caused by this than cables snapping. Hence, the reason every new winch comes with a nylon strap.
One more useful tip. Always test your winch before going on a trip. They do fail. Thank god mine never failed when I needed it. I burnt out the motor one time, the solenoid the next, but never on a trip.
Anybody know the industrial standard Minimum break load of a single welded bumper D-ring point.
The standard D-Ring usually has about a 9,500lb load capacity.
@@extremeterrain So. The standard Bumper Tab is 9,500 LBS ... THX
I'm genuinely curious as to how them D-Rings work can anyone give me some info?
So the only thing i can say about this is dont always use a d ring if you dont have to ie on a tree saver. If your winch or rope can attach without it removes one more point for failure or flying objects.
Why would you use a a soft D ring connected to your tree saver then your winch? Connect the winch directly to the tree saver.
where did you film this
It’s a 3 to 1 system so it wouldn’t be going back at 1/4 speed it would be going back at 1/3 speed also that’s the same reason why the jeep only moved a little bit it takes a lot of pulling to move a small distance the more pulleys you have The less distance it’ll go but the easier it’ll be
Unrelated but what boots are you wearing?
What bumper is that on the front of the red Jeep?
Open the bonnet for safety in case the line snaps and goes to the windscreen, then stayed next to the jeep totally unprotected
Good stuff. One more piece of equipment to have is a hi-lift jack mate or lift mate. Instead of jacking from the slider in that last example, lift the wheel with the jack and the lift mate and put a rock underneath. Using that set up there would be less chance of the jack sliding on the slider. ...just sayin'. It might be helpful.
This really makes me wonder - what the hell is the point of the dinky hooks that Jeep puts on their bumpers from the factory? It seems like it would be really easy for something to slip off of them, especially considering how the recovery straps stretch and recoil.
Glad to see you changed the spelling from chalk to chock.
Can't help but wondering how many viewers with think an "E-brake" is an electronic brake.
Great Vidya!
Onions, of course!
Very important safety device is a wireless remote for the winch.
Manual equipment to pull you out if you don't have a winch ?
You can use a hi lift jack as a come along with tow straps or chains to an anchor point...can just get a come along...you may have to reset it a few times but it will pull you out. Even a heavy duty ratchet strap. I've had my winch fail and had to get creative. If you got enough rope you can make a flip flop winch...you tube it
Never winch in park ! It will sheer off your park pin in the transmission. Find an anchor for your recovery vehicle.
That's why I have a front and rear winch lol.
Great video with excellent technical details.
The only annoying thing is the background guitar that is distracting.
Thanks for watching!!
Wtf did you go through all the snatch blocks for and connect to the back of Jeep? This just had the Jeep pulling on both ends of itself and that’s why it only went so far.
If you dont connect back to the jeep theres no force pulling it back. It doesn't matter how you rig up the line on the trees its just going to pull the direction of the initial direction coming out of the winch. I don't get the physics of it though, it seems like the forces should cancel out. Maybe something to do with the number of pulleys behind the car vs in front.
wtflol6969 yea my point is two opposite forces are only going to move it so far as we saw. Then they just bind and the line is at risk of breaking with all those pulleys.
It would work, because the line going from the tree then to the bumper then the tree makes a v. If the jeep was left in neutral with the brake off, as you pull from the front it should take up the slack in the back. As he pointed out though, it puts a lot of stress on all the lines, so you're not going to move far.
You do this because it works like a double line pull at the back, which is more mechanical advantage then the 1:1 at the front so it ensures it pulls backwards.
Hey Ryan...It's not an "emergency brake"....it's a "parking brake"!
Great video. I learned a lot. Keep up the great work Bro.
Alan Glickman seriously man? Geez...People and their online at arguments.... it’s not a car it’s an automobile!
Pop your hood up to protect you but not the engine. Well maybe just maybe having a reliable winch system and to check on its condition before hand would be much more sensible
You could also learn the proper use of a snatch block…. If you do it right a 300 pound max winch can pull up to 1100+ pounds but instead your using it as a pulley.
Funny how he puts the hood up to protect the driver then winches from outside of the vehicle completely vulnerable haha
He was at a safe distance and using a wireless remote. If the line was to break it would go straight back towards the vehicle and not the sides. If you dont have a remote you would be inside protected by the hood.
@@khempleman A safe distance is considered 1.5 times the length of the line thats under tension which he wasnt.
Winching yourself backwards vid habibi
Ok as an intro vid, but the aussies have ya beat🤣🙊. Keep yer flag closer to yer hook.
Quick ref to your winching backwards, you reeeeeally need to state that you can only winch in small increments, then release all tension, and re tension. You are essentially rigged to tear your equipment apart, using double the pullng power in the back than that of the front. Not recommended, but needs to be done by repetetive tensioning, and slackening of the system.
Now I see how it is to have a winch on your jeep.
Those land anchors are far to large, i prefer a picket system much more, using a short piece of heavy duty tow chain and 3 or 4 1/2" steel bars. Easy to pack, easy to setup, easy to recover once your out.