Being Swedish I have to say Paulina explained the situation here brilliantly! Actually the SwedenDemocrats haven´t really had to do any campaigning at all- all the other parties, have ,in their great fear of being called racist if they ever pointed that at the root of the increased violence, chaotic schools, sexual violence lies a totally wrecked integration and a unsustainable immigration, actually been the best promotors of the Sweden Democrats! it is only in the last year that some parties have dared to imply in a very mild way that the large immigration has caused huge problems in our society, not least for those who immigrate, and what happens? Media and other left wing/liberal parties have instantly shouted about fascism, and as we Swedes are very, very scared of conflicts and strive for consensus, the critical voices go silent. Canceling culture has been real here in Sweden and that is not only in the media, even among friends and family ,people who has dared say there is a problem with integration and the enormous change in demographics have often lost friends and family members have turned their back to them, afraid that the "racist" contagion will spread on to them. But now , by denying a frank discussion, those people instead see the Sweden democrats become the second largest party in the country....and they still do not understand why!
Remember what fidel Castro did when America opened their doors to Cuban refugees? Rather quickly surprisingly quickly he made sure the bulk of the flotilla of refugees were violent undesirables. I fear each country wether it's Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq etc have been opportunistic too.
@@tommyrotton9468 That can be true. Some of the major problems in Sweden now (schools, health, housing) are connected to the sheer numbers of immigration recently, whereas others (gangs, violence, crime) are connected to the type of people allowed in. Immigrants to any country need to comply with the values of that country.
He really isn’t….hereditary politics in America ??? The Kennedy’s and the Bush’s ??? 😏 Murray is a little englander who likes an unelected hereditary head of state, whom he can doff his cap to, and bow and scrape, as he sees them as his betters…..pathetic when you think about it !
This was inevitable in Sweden and you do not need to be a genius to understand why. The Swedish people are just saying enough of seeing their country being changed beyond recognition and not for the better. It is no surprise the labels are coming out, it is an underhanded way of attacking your opponents but people are waking up to this strategy and are much more concerned with the crime epidemic they have imported through immigration. Integration becomes a joke when you have "no go areas ' and to oppose this is not racist it is common sense.
Added to that if the host country denigrates its own culture as Swedish elites have done, it is unsurprising that new citizens don’t respect you either.
martyn spooner. I agree entirley. Why didn't the Swedish left get a grip on this violence? Oh wait a minute they were hoping it would go away. Anxious parties not wanting to point to the bloody obvious. And the locals suffering. I know because we have these moral hypocrites in the UK. Yeah right calling people racist for being concerned about appalling social injustices. Yet these liberals will continue to yelp like this guy. No bloody understanding of what the ordinary people experience. Because he is far removed from the shite. And free to vilify. Swedish people said enough. Good for them.
This American is very selective about what I watch on TV and read in print. I anticipated our leftist media would be terribly disrespectful toward Queen Elizabeth 2 death and the hand over to King Charles 3 so I have only watched and read UK coverage of your time honored traditions and processions. Thank you for the richness of your history and great documentation of it which remains an endless supply of research for me.
As a fellow American I feel the same. I wouldn’t waste my time watching or reading American media coverage of the Queen’s death. I loved the Queen who exemplified strength, dignity, love of her country and its people, and selfless duty - all things they hate and don’t understand.
Most Americans do not agree with our media, which is only out to sell ads. We are having our own political problems at this time, and really admire the British Royal way of staying out of politics. God bless Queen Elizabeth, and God help King Charles III.
I think the media has a much more sinister agenda then to merely sell ads. Actually I would feel a general sense of peace if the news media 's main function was to sell ads.
In Canada we have a truly bad example of dynastic polities in Justin Trudeau. This should be a cautionary tale for anyone who thinks that being raised close to power provides learning in statesmanship.
Chris - frivolous but hey. Reading your first sentence I thought your grammar dismal; 'Cindy, you is low key and smart'. Second sentence put me right. Always good to smile.
I was born in England and raised in Australia where I joined the Australian Defence Force and signed up to defend Her Majesty and Her heirs. She is the only monarch most of us know. She was a symbol of the traditions of our society that go back to 1066 which is the last time the UK was invaded. I’m proud to be British and to be a veteran and as an Australian I will never agree to a republic over here.
I remember when the queen was filmed having a hissy fit over the Italian prime minister's outspoken ways. It was at a summit of the world's major leaders. The incident didn't do her any harm.
I'm English, born and bred, the Queens death feels like a huge spiritual loss for me. Almost akin to a religious experience. I know it sounds nuts, but it's the best I can do to explain my feelings.
Good for you and so am I but OMG why spiritual loss lol? What she ever done for you? I just don't understand the continued support for the monarchy. It's completely illogical. You've been brainwashed! Same in Thailand (read the King Never Smiles).They talk about the great reset but I feel we DO need a reset - of them, not us! Reset to the political systems (proportional representation), and abolish the monarchy. Why not now? They are just they original robber barons. You actually believe some people are better than you because of their parents. Think about that. You believe God put these people to rule you as a subject. They're not even fucking English! They're German, they changed their name. Are you going to continue to support this. Charles the turd had Jimmy Savile in the palace acting as marriage counselor. You think MI5 didn't know what Savile was up to? Then we have Andrew. (Head in hands)
It's not weird. Remember it's a religious experience or process in a certain religion to shatter themselves into tiny bits taking others with them. It's a religious process that's been emulated throughout the world. If this comment is weird then your vision of the world must be very staid.
It's not weird. People who are anti-Monarchist surely have some other passion in their lives in which if the leading figure died it would feel very similarly. It's almost as if humans were designed this way...
"We are in a struggle with a very depraved religion" Christopher Hitchens And until Marine LePen, Geert Wilders and Rasmus Paluden, are acknowledged as Heroes, we'll continue to be. But Sweden has now taken a leading role dealing with this Theocratic culture that has been spreading like gangrene for decades into our societies. I'm really pleased and have had a big sigh of relief.
Davey You are right about the American's being silly. I am astounded at the lack of insight and knowledge of history over the pond. However I feel the real decent brave America has been taken hostage by some real crazy people. This situation is very concerning. I only see massive demise and heartache for a once great nation.
Queen Victoria and particularly her husband Prince Albert were dead against slavery . That was then,so to make the modern monarchy the whipping boy for historical slavery is ignorant and absurd.
@@clivebaxter6354 Yes.I did know when slavery in the empire was abolished. One of the causes that Prince Albert took to heart was the abolition to slavery around the world. Against advise he took up an active position in the ant -slavery movement .and as President of the African Civilisation Society for the Extinction of Slave Trade he gave a speech at the anti slavery meeting in Exeter Hall 1840 . He described the slave trade as the blackest stain on European civilisation . His presence at the meeting greatly increased ticket sales. As we all know Albert was the Queen Elizabeth's several times great grandfather.
The current ‘trend’ in bashing Britain on the ‘evils of colonialism’ and such, is, in my opinion coming from a small ‘elite’ of left-wing academics who, rather than encourage credible solutions for positive change amongst the British people, choose to sell their snake oil type political narratives to the lazy: those who view themselves as less-than, unable to see that we all have a responsibility to take part in building upwards, not downwards. It’s good practice to learn from the mistakes our ancestors made, important within the correct historical context, sometimes that is hard to do, simply because the blame game is profitable, it allows some elites to create smokescreens preventing those alleged victims from moving forward, that way they have a constant supply of willing victims ready to lap up their racist narratives, under the guise of relevancy and transparency. Isn’t it easier to blame others rather than get off your backside, accept that somethings can’t be changed, learn vital lessons and work on bettering oneself, that way we all prosper? The pomposity of the academic left have given rise to far right political groups, who in turn have taken the middle grounders with them. So much hypocrisy from across the pond. In my opinion what underpins the hatred and vitriol towards Britain and its monarchy is an overwhelming sense of bitterness and jealousy. A white Queen, who for 70 years acted with poise, love, duty and devotion to all of her subjects, irrespective of race, or culture. King Charles III will continue in his mother’s vein, though a tough act to follow he will find his way and make the role his own. One of QEII’s greatest legacies is the Commonwealth of Nations which she loved. These nations are not forced to belong, they choose to do so fully aware of their complex colonial history with Britain. That in my opinion, speaks volumes. 🇬🇧
We don't because we have pseudo-Right safety-valves and gatekeepers like The Spectator, Douglas Murray, Peter Hitchens, and the Tories who divert those natural nationalistic impulses into more insipid safe free-market direction.
Well said, Douglas, in bringing facts to this discussion. I wonder how much those in America of Irish descent carry on the tradition of hating the English?
The Queen's death feels like the physical death of cultural Englishness, a country whose culture has been under attack since 1997 a country with no borders is now being laid to rest
Yes the queen is hated in certain quarters because she represents Anglo Saxon culture, stability and identity. The blob want to do away with cultural heritage as it interferes with their vision.
James Savage really annoyed me. He applied crazy high standards to people on the right which he would never apply to people on the left. You can say “I’m literally a Communist” on UK television - as Ash Sarkar did - and suffer no ill effects to your career. Ex-Trotskyists such as Andrew Marr are ubiquitous across UK institutions. Joshka Fischer was a personal friend of members of the Baader Meinhof Gang, and this tainted association didn’t prevent him becoming German Foreign Minister. Jose Manuel Barroso was a former Maoist who became President of the European Commission. Angela Davis is a Communist who provided the guns which led to a courtroom shootout in which four people were killed; she later visited East Germany, where she spoke in favour of Eric Honecker’s right to murder East Germans trying to cross the Berlin Wall; and today she’s treated as a genteel professor who never did anything reprehensible.
Americans can hardly complain about colonialism when their entire country is built on it. Aa for 'unearned privilege', such an idea shows a complete lack of understanding of how a constitutional monarchy works. The Monarch and those who supported the Queen and will now support the King, work extremely hard serving the country.
Cindy does a very good as usual, and I do subscribe to the Spectator. However I would have liked Cindy to have needled the interviewees on their definition of 'far right', and what makes a political party 'far right'. As Cindy pointed out, nationalist parties are not all 'far right'. in fact many are left of centre such as Plaid Cymru, SNP, Sinn Fein, etc represent the proletariat, rebelling against a dominant external bourgeoisie influence. My local nationalist party, Mebyon Kernow, is certainly not 'far right', more closely alied to a party that represents the proletariat. It is too easy to label parties that support national identity and autonomy as 'far right', as the antithesis of the globalist 'far left'!
Re: Douglas Murray’s comments - Count me, and the vast majority of friends I’ve spoken with, among the American friends & admirers of the late Queen. I’ll be waking at 2am to view the funeral live. American media is replete with idiots and losers.
Whilst lauding those who have made the decision to embark on this "pilgrimage" to pay their respects to our late Sovereign Lady, Elizabeth, is anyone scrutinising the demographic or religious make-up of those queueing for hours? After all, the queues ought to be incredibly diverse: given the demographic statistics of London. So, it would be great to obtain proof that 'multiculturalism' and 'diversity' "are our strengths".
Interesting to hear Douglas' take on the difference in dynasties in the US and the UK. When thinking of my country of France, here we have virtually no dynasties in the Republics following the monarchy. Further to that, almost no one seems to care about political parties, and parties are constantly being formed and dissolved. For example, the two parties that made the second round of the election in 2012 got less than 5% each in 2022. The only 'dynasty' you could refer to is the Le Pen family and many have been trying to remove the family from the Nationalist movement due to the toxicity associated with Jean Marie Le Pen.
The Labour and Conservative parties do exactly the same in the UK. Immigration invasion continues anyone saying anything about it is shouted and attacked as a racist, while the Conservative party leaves the doors wide open.
Only in all the expected places. Tucker Carlson said a fine thing for which we who were listening here in uk were grateful. I think 'conservatives' all over the world were genuinely saddened.
The discussion on political dynasties is spot on. The republic of Ireland had 3 siblings all members of parliament at the same time. Ireland does seem to welcome intergenerational families in a way New Zealand and Australia do not. Perhaps the emerging Trudeau dynasty is a sign Canada will become a republic. Does it a three generations of leaders to declare a dynasty? Now we see why the Catholic church doesn't allow popes to have biological heirs.
James Savage immediately discredits himself, effectively saying "The Guardian calls the RN far right so I think it's fair to call the Sweden Democrats far right" Really getting stuck into the story there bro
Japan has a Westminster style System because the Emperor has the same role as the King or Queen of the United Kingdom. But unfortunately there is a hereditary line in their politics. It's amazing how many prime minister's have had fathers and grandfathers in positions of political power in recent history.
I havent really ever thought of US politics as being pretty close to monarchy, in a sense that you see presidency moved down in a family tree from father to son etc... (not directly, there has to be one period of opposin noble houses ruleship in between) Thats so true and a good point. But maybe its just natural for humans to want to gravitate toward something familiar.
In Denmark, our queen (Margrethe II, 82) just celebrated her golden jubilee (the actual date of the ascension was in January, but the more public celebratory events were postponed for Covid-reasons) a few days prior to attending the royal funeral in London. With the passing of Elizabeth II she is now the second longest reigning monarch in the world, only surpassed by the sultan of Brunei. Luckily we have been spared much of the vitriole in our discussions of monarchy as a whole and our royals remain quite popular. All the same I can't help but fret a little as I look on at the discussions of the British monarchy going on in America and the wider anglophone world.
Listening to the guy on the last interview was so infuriating. Why those people don't get that the average citizen on the ground wants a very different society and set of policies from the establishment media and political parties? That does not make someone far right, ffs, that's just common sense!
The queen has been in most of the populations lives since birth and been in a needed role of neutral stability much needed when you see Truss and her cabinet are simply an identical replacement of Johnsons, both in intelligence of policy and planning along with stupidity of effective thought in what is required , mainly due to short term panic action due to that very same lack of policy and planning which most seem to ignore in the original election of Johnson in favor for loud defiance in Brexit action above anything else , which had also been a disaster .
Would every leader not have been included in an invitation and leave it to them to decide to attend or not? It never hurts to reach out and offer a sense of inclusiveness. Should have invited Putin and Zelensky to attend the funeral...might have been a good time to reach out and offer an opportunity for reconciliation or at least one of contemplation of the effects of their war upon the world. Just a thought...
If the decision had been Her Majesty's I believe youre right, and it would have been right in line with the way she governed. Putin's statement was masterful and unexpected, we forget they met many times since 2003.
The Woman who wished the Queen an excruciating death, sent her sympathies to the Ayatollah on Twitter to an announcement he was ill. Critical race theorist priorities
I like the fact, that the country is able to stop for one day . It is not my celebration, but I'm happy to see that there is still sth that people take so seriously.
The Russian forces definitely won’t survive the winter in Kherson. It will be interesting to see if they can pull their forces back across the Dnieper to create a front line on that river that is more defendable.
As a foreigner looking in I was actually surprised by how divided Britain is. Booing at football matches. People complaining about the inconvenience... Also, the people standing in line didn't seem very young nor "diverse". Times are changing and these people are oblivious. They are living in a bubble.
Watch THE DURAN if you really want to know what’s going on with the Special Military Operation in Ukraine. I don’t see many facts here. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺
I am far right as i want open borders, free trade, small government with low taxes and it is totally opposite of the Swedish Democrats. I don´t understand why anyone would call them "right wing" in any way, it is just false.
What's wrong with nationalism? isn't it simply the process of defend ones history, culture and demographic from erasure, that's how I see it, to love ones people, doesn't follow you hate another.
The animus of the Irish, Scottish and Celtic ancestors in Great Britain and their descendants in America never abates. The Romans quickly saw it was wise to wall 'em out: Even Burke commented on the hatred of the Highlanders when he was safely living inside the protective walls of Edinburgh, Is it coincidence that the Roman Catholic faith suits Celts well?
I'm not very familiar with the history of the period, but could nascent antii-slavery sentiments in the UK leading to the abolition of slavery have been one of the factors which led to the American oligarchs declaring a war of independence?
Wasnt it taxes on sugar (produced by slaves) which led to the War? But not emancipation so much, the movement only took off in England late 1770s whereas the Sugar Act was 1764. Certainly though your American Civil War.
Sweden Democrats had former WaffenSS members??? Extremely few Swedes were actually in the German Forces and at least these assumed people would have been 65 years or older at the start of the party in 1988. Get your facts in order at the Spectator, and don't end up like the BBC or The Guardian. Thank You.
Part 2 The real question might be not how we can make room for duty and respect in the scientific political world, but rather, how does science work to make such concepts impossible, and so scientific projects of reduction redescription, reinterpretation, and elimination. In a strong sense of an antinomy, the modern uptake of these sciences of right and self-interest were destined to eliminate duty and respect etc, much like Nietzsche predicted and Anscombe 70 years or so later described. Modern institutional systems all take self-interest as a given and everybody is in its internecine structure, those at the top are further regulated by laws that treat them as self-interested players to be controlled and determined entirely by external law and force. People say no one trusts the system or its personal anymore. but really in political science there can be no trust only vague and ever-changing bungles of relations, set up and dropped by changes in atomist affordances. Problem is with these internecine self-interested contingent changing associations no one can predict anything anymore, no one knows what the meaning of their acts are anymore. in fact, the "art" of political science is to disguise the real end point of policy, to use double effect pragmatically. But what can pragmatic means here without real end and prediction. it didn't go well in 1914. Watch "The Last Valley" something like..."Sir Castile has fallen to the Duke of so and so" Reply " i don't know if that is a good thing or bad thing anymore. I don't know what it means"
"Public hysteria 25 years ago" and not the same now? I'd say take a second look and you can see plenty of media hysteria (plus the societal and economic frenzy) around the Queen's death, it's quite remarkable, though unsurprising. What's not unsurprising (contrary to Alexander Larman) is that the Queen died, I'm not intending to be disrespectful, but she was 96. There's both too much analysis in this and not enough (freedom of speech and protesting for example). I can't imagine that this is exactly what the Queen would have wanted.
With the amount of support, monetary, and military, that Ukraine has received from the UK, the EU and the USA it would be astonishing if they were not able to push back a bit! Is any other country supporting Russia's efforts in their Special Military Operation? And, on another point, would Putin maybe justified in using the term 'terrorism' in relation to those who support Ukraine. It's probably terrifying to Putin that so much material support is being funnelled towards the Zeylensky regime, with all the ultra-nationalism they are proud to promote.
SD are right wing classical Social democrats. When it comes to economics they are almost socialist, taking votes from the Social democrats. They are almost a copy of the social democratic party from 1955.
Part 1 Comments on Douglas Murray interview. We could express the problematic of unelected absolute power by making it analogous with dictatorship and totalitarianism. its modern version is the anthropological idea that the old patriarchy of the family carried over to, what we might express as the "conceptuality" of the tribal leader as leader of an extended family, and that this original difference based on nature and power has carried over and continued its "effect" to the present day. We can do a then both a natural and constructed (Foucault) genealogy and trace the contemporary equality difference as the consequent metric difference to the original natural difference. but of course, there is here an incongruence between the political conceptuality of the cosmology of tribes and the contemporary political conceptuality of democracy. this makes it a mere bad metaphor that the inference to best explanation or model for the current inequalities can be abducted back to that original difference. Even in science there is a choice, a freedom over which general concepts best capture this difference and predict the future with its use. In fact, the choice of general concepts or identities to most simply clarify the data is not originally scientific but rather was the result of political, cultural historical concepts of identities already in play like an intuition here, and then later this choice is supposedly legitimised by the post facto data. So, gender difference now is due to the effects of original patriarchy. Likewise with race and ethnicity difference but here due to the continuing effect of colonialism and empire. it has been unfortunate for this approach that post World War two saw a female sovereign and major female leader in this role. Our current conceptual politics is dominate by science of representation and causal effect. This has its genealogy traced back by me to Hobbes's science of man as set by our natures as individual self-interest behaviour. Here what is significant is not so much the choice of which identities to arrange the data under, but rather that any action micro or macro must have its moral economic and political "content" in terms of self-interest and causes and subjected causal techniques. What is really inappropriate, in this scientific image of man, what is really politically incorrect, is the idea anyone could ever act out of virtue or duty or respect for dignity. we could express it as a kind of denial of a political natural theology. like cosmological and teleological arguments. That is roughly something like: All human action is in essence or natural kinds of a series of self-interested acts. there is no necessary first duty, no necessary first case that is not self-interested. Virtue duty dignity do not exist. So the idea of a Queen doing her duty is like a Mirical, an anomaly for this science of man, a priori. It threatens the ground of the sciences and natural philosophy. but also, we might express another opposite kind of non-natural theology as something like for all legitimacy to flow form the people there must be duty through the organs and instruments of the state in order to deliver on that content of the people. These duties cannot be in opposition to each other and so a single sovereign must be the original unifying object of absolute duty for all other duties fall under it and are so arranged. Here in lies through the idea that only the sovereign is responsible since all other duties are exculpated to it. The real function of totalitarianism and dictatorship is that no one is responsible except the one at the top. but in a way also the self-interest natural since everyone can say "everybody does it" and "I am just reacting to everybody else in self-interest". the science then represents this so in the end Bernard Williams internal and external reasons are seen as the same. We can use science to exculpate my action and use laws and duties to exculpate it also. Like the guy on the talk show who said robbery was his job (his station?). and went on the explain his actions as the result of causal antecedents.
Being Swedish I have to say Paulina explained the situation here brilliantly! Actually the SwedenDemocrats haven´t really had to do any campaigning at all- all the other parties, have ,in their great fear of being called racist if they ever pointed that at the root of the increased violence, chaotic schools, sexual violence lies a totally wrecked integration and a unsustainable immigration, actually been the best promotors of the Sweden Democrats! it is only in the last year that some parties have dared to imply in a very mild way that the large immigration has caused huge problems in our society, not least for those who immigrate, and what happens? Media and other left wing/liberal parties have instantly shouted about fascism, and as we Swedes are very, very scared of conflicts and strive for consensus, the critical voices go silent. Canceling culture has been real here in Sweden and that is not only in the media, even among friends and family ,people who has dared say there is a problem with integration and the enormous change in demographics have often lost friends and family members have turned their back to them, afraid that the "racist" contagion will spread on to them. But now , by denying a frank discussion, those people instead see the Sweden democrats become the second largest party in the country....and they still do not understand why!
I'm going to say it isn't immigration that is the problem, it is the way they behave that defines them as citizens or invaders.
Remember what fidel Castro did when America opened their doors to Cuban refugees? Rather quickly surprisingly quickly he made sure the bulk of the flotilla of refugees were violent undesirables. I fear each country wether it's Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq etc have been opportunistic too.
@@tommyrotton9468 That can be true. Some of the major problems in Sweden now (schools, health, housing) are connected to the sheer numbers of immigration recently, whereas others (gangs, violence, crime) are connected to the type of people allowed in. Immigrants to any country need to comply with the values of that country.
The liberal party in Sweden isnt liberal
@@tommyrotton9468 You have a point there! ( Or perhaps that was a very SwEnglish kind of expression?)
Douglas Murray is amazing, so informed and clever. Thank you.
He really isn’t….hereditary politics in America ??? The Kennedy’s and the Bush’s ??? 😏
Murray is a little englander who likes an unelected hereditary head of state, whom he can doff his cap to, and bow and scrape, as he sees them as his betters…..pathetic when you think about it !
He thinks he's very clever
@@neilrmartin1984 He is.
@@robertchuter884 No he isn't. He's a pseudo-conservative hack.
@@krayon_eater In your opinion, of course.
Im really pleased for Sweden we all need to start doing the same
we really do need to judge people by their standards and not pay any heed to the slurs of communists
Let us wait and see what happens
There is no party which reflects those views.
Nothing has happened yet. We thought brexit would change things only for the problem to get ten times worse.
Agree
This was inevitable in Sweden and you do not need to be a genius to understand why. The Swedish people are just saying enough of seeing their country being changed beyond recognition and not for the better. It is no surprise the labels are coming out, it is an underhanded way of attacking your opponents but people are waking up to this strategy and are much more concerned with the crime epidemic they have imported through immigration. Integration becomes a joke when you have "no go areas ' and to oppose this is not racist it is common sense.
Added to that if the host country denigrates its own culture as Swedish elites have done, it is unsurprising that new citizens don’t respect you either.
martyn spooner. I agree entirley. Why didn't the Swedish left get a grip on this violence? Oh wait a minute they were hoping it would go away. Anxious parties not wanting to point to the bloody obvious. And the locals suffering.
I know because we have these moral hypocrites in the UK. Yeah right calling people racist for being concerned about appalling social injustices.
Yet these liberals will continue to yelp like this guy. No bloody understanding of what the ordinary people experience. Because he is far removed from the shite. And free to vilify. Swedish people said enough. Good for them.
The horse already left the barn though.
The question is, is this the UK's future?
Sweden: too late.
This American is very selective about what I watch on TV and read in print. I anticipated our leftist media would be terribly disrespectful toward Queen Elizabeth 2 death and the hand over to King Charles 3 so I have only watched and read UK coverage of your time honored traditions and processions.
Thank you for the richness of your history and great documentation of it which remains an endless supply of research for me.
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The USA came into being as a reaction against government by monarchy. The UK is no longer gov by monarchy.
As a fellow American I feel the same. I wouldn’t waste my time watching or reading American media coverage of the Queen’s death. I loved the Queen who exemplified strength, dignity, love of her country and its people, and selfless duty - all things they hate and don’t understand.
I believe Fox News is covering the Queens death respectfully.
I love the coverage on the monarchy, it completely fascinates me.
Most Americans do not agree with our media, which is only out to sell ads. We are having our own political problems at this time, and really admire the British Royal way of staying out of politics. God bless Queen Elizabeth, and God help King Charles III.
I think the media has a much more sinister agenda then to merely sell ads. Actually I would feel a general sense of peace if the news media 's main function was to sell ads.
The monarchy stands for inclusion, which is a political issue in the US
In Canada we have a truly bad example of dynastic polities in Justin Trudeau. This should be a cautionary tale for anyone who thinks that being raised close to power provides learning in statesmanship.
Well said. Your leader is a most distasteful human being. His tactics remind me of Hitler
The queen did nothing when our GG contacted her about Trudeau's facists bullshit. Not a damn thing. I hope she rots in hell.
A PANTOMIME DAME to keep the public in the dark about britishfreemasonry
He revels in the fact that he doesn't think about monetary policy. Not ideal for a PM of a G7 nation
Cindy Yu is low key and smart.
She listens attentively and asks good questions.
And she's undoubtedly a rattlesnake between the sheets.
Chris - frivolous but hey. Reading your first sentence I thought your grammar dismal; 'Cindy, you is low key and smart'. Second sentence put me right. Always good to smile.
I agree, she is brilliant.
Cindy is beautifully spoken as well.
Cause he's a white male, they feel inferior to them.
I was born in England and raised in Australia where I joined the Australian Defence Force and signed up to defend Her Majesty and Her heirs. She is the only monarch most of us know. She was a symbol of the traditions of our society that go back to 1066 which is the last time the UK was invaded. I’m proud to be British and to be a veteran and as an Australian I will never agree to a republic over here.
I don’t know anyone who thinks The Charles pen incident made him look bad. He got annoyed at a leaky pen, it’s not like her tore into an aide over it.
I remember when the queen was filmed having a hissy fit over the Italian prime minister's outspoken ways. It was at a summit of the world's major leaders. The incident didn't do her any harm.
It was rather endearing, considering the circumstances.
I'm English, born and bred, the Queens death feels like a huge spiritual loss for me. Almost akin to a religious experience. I know it sounds nuts, but it's the best I can do to explain my feelings.
Good for you and so am I but OMG why spiritual loss lol? What she ever done for you? I just don't understand the continued support for the monarchy. It's completely illogical. You've been brainwashed! Same in Thailand (read the King Never Smiles).They talk about the great reset but I feel we DO need a reset - of them, not us! Reset to the political systems (proportional representation), and abolish the monarchy. Why not now? They are just they original robber barons. You actually believe some people are better than you because of their parents. Think about that. You believe God put these people to rule you as a subject. They're not even fucking English! They're German, they changed their name. Are you going to continue to support this. Charles the turd had Jimmy Savile in the palace acting as marriage counselor. You think MI5 didn't know what Savile was up to? Then we have Andrew. (Head in hands)
Truly weird
It's not weird. Remember it's a religious experience or process in a certain religion to shatter themselves into tiny bits taking others with them. It's a religious process that's been emulated throughout the world. If this comment is weird then your vision of the world must be very staid.
It was God ordained
It's not weird. People who are anti-Monarchist surely have some other passion in their lives in which if the leading figure died it would feel very similarly. It's almost as if humans were designed this way...
Murray has it exactly right!
Yes indeed. Imagine having Tony Blair on our bank notes. Or even having his coffin lying in state. I shudder at the thought.
The guardian called the Swedish Democrats far right so they must be far right. Ummm....
They also call Georgia Meloni in Italy far right. Basically any politician who doesn't believe in open borders.
Brilliant content as usual, well done Spectator team.
It’s amazing what you can learn when sensible grown ups have open debate!
Excellent show. The section on Sweden is both fascinating and concerning. Douglas Murray was spot on as usual.
On Douglas's point, the Queen's position was earned. It was just earned after she got it, not before.
Great point.
Murray's observations on US political dynasties in contrast with the UK's lack of them, is quite interesting.
"We are in a struggle with a very depraved religion"
Christopher Hitchens
And until Marine LePen, Geert Wilders and Rasmus Paluden, are acknowledged as Heroes, we'll continue to be. But Sweden has now taken a leading role dealing with this Theocratic culture that has been spreading like gangrene for decades into our societies. I'm really pleased and have had a big sigh of relief.
We Americans are really rather silly these days…..please forgive my fellow Americans….🇺🇸
Er...and where is our tea?!
Davey You are right about the American's being silly. I am astounded at the lack of insight and knowledge of history over the pond.
However I feel the real decent brave America has been taken hostage by some real crazy people.
This situation is very concerning. I only see massive demise and heartache for a once great nation.
@@DiegoLinde We don't don't have to take the knee. A civilised nod and a handshake will do thank you.
@@lasttango7522 indeed, I agree, very British!
Funny that blm demands the same and wholly received their tyrannical demands.
Queen Victoria and particularly her husband Prince Albert were dead against slavery . That was then,so to make the modern monarchy the whipping boy for historical slavery is ignorant and absurd.
There was no slavery in the empire when she was queen
@@clivebaxter6354 Yes.I did know when slavery in the empire was abolished.
One of the causes that Prince Albert took to heart was the abolition to slavery around the world. Against advise he took up an active position in the ant -slavery movement .and as President of the African Civilisation Society for the Extinction of Slave Trade he gave a speech at the anti slavery meeting in Exeter Hall 1840 . He described the slave trade as the blackest stain on European civilisation . His presence at the meeting greatly increased ticket sales.
As we all know Albert was the Queen Elizabeth's several times great grandfather.
The current ‘trend’ in bashing Britain on the ‘evils of colonialism’ and such, is, in my opinion coming from a small ‘elite’ of left-wing academics who, rather than encourage credible solutions for positive change amongst the British people, choose to sell their snake oil type political narratives to the lazy: those who view themselves as less-than, unable to see that we all have a responsibility to take part in building upwards, not downwards.
It’s good practice to learn from the mistakes our ancestors made, important within the correct historical context, sometimes that is hard to do, simply because the blame game is profitable, it allows some elites to create smokescreens preventing those alleged victims from moving forward, that way they have a constant supply of willing victims ready to lap up their racist narratives, under the guise of relevancy and transparency.
Isn’t it easier to blame others rather than get off your backside, accept that somethings can’t be changed, learn vital lessons and work on bettering oneself, that way we all prosper? The pomposity of the academic left have given rise to far right political groups, who in turn have taken the middle grounders with them.
So much hypocrisy from across the pond. In my opinion what underpins the hatred and vitriol towards Britain and its monarchy is an overwhelming sense of bitterness and jealousy. A white Queen, who for 70 years acted with poise, love, duty and devotion to all of her subjects, irrespective of race, or culture. King Charles III will continue in his mother’s vein, though a tough act to follow he will find his way and make the role his own.
One of QEII’s greatest legacies is the Commonwealth of Nations which she loved. These nations are not forced to belong, they choose to do so fully aware of their complex colonial history with Britain. That in my opinion, speaks volumes. 🇬🇧
"They're a nationalist party, and a party of the f4r right" - Awesome, I wish we had one as successful as them.
We don't because we have pseudo-Right safety-valves and gatekeepers like The Spectator, Douglas Murray, Peter Hitchens, and the Tories who divert those natural nationalistic impulses into more insipid safe free-market direction.
love Douglas
Well said, Douglas, in bringing facts to this discussion. I wonder how much those in America of Irish descent carry on the tradition of hating the English?
Yes, great Douglas M.
The Queen's death feels like the physical death of cultural Englishness, a country whose culture has been under attack since 1997 a country with no borders is now being laid to rest
Yes the queen is hated in certain quarters because she represents Anglo Saxon culture, stability and identity. The blob want to do away with cultural heritage as it interferes with their vision.
North Korea
Attacked by who?
@@Athleticmaleuk its own intelligentsia
@@Athleticmaleuk By free-market capitalists who want no borders for their own greedy ends.
James Savage really annoyed me. He applied crazy high standards to people on the right which he would never apply to people on the left.
You can say “I’m literally a Communist” on UK television - as Ash Sarkar did - and suffer no ill effects to your career. Ex-Trotskyists such as Andrew Marr are ubiquitous across UK institutions. Joshka Fischer was a personal friend of members of the Baader Meinhof Gang, and this tainted association didn’t prevent him becoming German Foreign Minister. Jose Manuel Barroso was a former Maoist who became President of the European Commission. Angela Davis is a Communist who provided the guns which led to a courtroom shootout in which four people were killed; she later visited East Germany, where she spoke in favour of Eric Honecker’s right to murder East Germans trying to cross the Berlin Wall; and today she’s treated as a genteel professor who never did anything reprehensible.
Americans can hardly complain about colonialism when their entire country is built on it. Aa for 'unearned privilege', such an idea shows a complete lack of understanding of how a constitutional monarchy works. The Monarch and those who supported the Queen and will now support the King, work extremely hard serving the country.
Thank you again for another excellent broadcast.
Great analysis on the Ukraine situation, thanks for your insight.
Cindy does a very good as usual, and I do subscribe to the Spectator. However I would have liked Cindy to have needled the interviewees on their definition of 'far right', and what makes a political party 'far right'. As Cindy pointed out, nationalist parties are not all 'far right'. in fact many are left of centre such as Plaid Cymru, SNP, Sinn Fein, etc represent the proletariat, rebelling against a dominant external bourgeoisie influence. My local nationalist party, Mebyon Kernow, is certainly not 'far right', more closely alied to a party that represents the proletariat. It is too easy to label parties that support national identity and autonomy as 'far right', as the antithesis of the globalist 'far left'!
As King George VI’s funeral was described in 1952 - “organised gloom”.
Re: Douglas Murray’s comments - Count me, and the vast majority of friends I’ve spoken with, among the American friends & admirers of the late Queen. I’ll be waking at 2am to view the funeral live. American media is replete with idiots and losers.
Anybody else watching this mainly because of Cindy?
Our local pub is open and screening the funeral providing free food
Whilst lauding those who have made the decision to embark on this "pilgrimage" to pay their respects to our late Sovereign Lady, Elizabeth, is anyone scrutinising the demographic or religious make-up of those queueing for hours? After all, the queues ought to be incredibly diverse: given the demographic statistics of London. So, it would be great to obtain proof that 'multiculturalism' and 'diversity' "are our strengths".
TBF a Nigerian man s*xually assaulted two w*men who were queuing to see the queen at rest, so nice to see our 'multiculturalism' society at work.
In the TV pictures the crowds are almost exclusively white, but I have the impression that quite a few have travelled from outside London.
Thank you Douglas!
Interesting to hear Douglas' take on the difference in dynasties in the US and the UK. When thinking of my country of France, here we have virtually no dynasties in the Republics following the monarchy. Further to that, almost no one seems to care about political parties, and parties are constantly being formed and dissolved. For example, the two parties that made the second round of the election in 2012 got less than 5% each in 2022. The only 'dynasty' you could refer to is the Le Pen family and many have been trying to remove the family from the Nationalist movement due to the toxicity associated with Jean Marie Le Pen.
Excellent point about the real sense grief felt and exhibited now.
The Labour and Conservative parties do exactly the same in the UK.
Immigration invasion continues anyone saying anything about it is shouted and attacked as a racist, while the Conservative party leaves the doors wide open.
American medias response has been vile. This is what USA empire do. It’s awful. Great discussions.
Only in all the expected places. Tucker Carlson said a fine thing for which we who were listening here in uk were grateful. I think 'conservatives' all over the world were genuinely saddened.
22:34 "a little bit of Millibandry" hahah
The discussion on political dynasties is spot on. The republic of Ireland had 3 siblings all members of parliament at the same time. Ireland does seem to welcome intergenerational families in a way New Zealand and Australia do not. Perhaps the emerging Trudeau dynasty is a sign Canada will become a republic. Does it a three generations of leaders to declare a dynasty? Now we see why the Catholic church doesn't allow popes to have biological heirs.
James Savage immediately discredits himself, effectively saying "The Guardian calls the RN far right so I think it's fair to call the Sweden Democrats far right" Really getting stuck into the story there bro
Love Doug Murray absolutely brilliant
This presenter is great.
Who you know vs what you know...that is American politics.
Cindy did a great job here!
she always does!
Japan has a Westminster style System because the Emperor has the same role as the King or Queen of the United Kingdom. But unfortunately there is a hereditary line in their politics. It's amazing how many prime minister's have had fathers and grandfathers in positions of political power in recent history.
Well said Douglas 👏
The self-parody becomes more intense in each episode.
Thumbs up to Douglas Murray
I havent really ever thought of US politics as being pretty close to monarchy, in a sense that you see presidency moved down in a family tree from father to son etc... (not directly, there has to be one period of opposin noble houses ruleship in between)
Thats so true and a good point. But maybe its just natural for humans to want to gravitate toward something familiar.
In Denmark, our queen (Margrethe II, 82) just celebrated her golden jubilee (the actual date of the ascension was in January, but the more public celebratory events were postponed for Covid-reasons) a few days prior to attending the royal funeral in London. With the passing of Elizabeth II she is now the second longest reigning monarch in the world, only surpassed by the sultan of Brunei. Luckily we have been spared much of the vitriole in our discussions of monarchy as a whole and our royals remain quite popular. All the same I can't help but fret a little as I look on at the discussions of the British monarchy going on in America and the wider anglophone world.
Listening to the guy on the last interview was so infuriating. Why those people don't get that the average citizen on the ground wants a very different society and set of policies from the establishment media and political parties? That does not make someone far right, ffs, that's just common sense!
The queen has been in most of the populations lives since birth and been in a needed role of neutral stability much needed when you see Truss and her cabinet are simply an identical replacement of Johnsons, both in intelligence of policy and planning along with stupidity of effective thought in what is required , mainly due to short term panic action due to that very same lack of policy and planning which most seem to ignore in the original election of Johnson in favor for loud defiance in Brexit action above anything else , which had also been a disaster .
Do you know what punctuation is?
cutie on the Sweden segment
Would every leader not have been included in an invitation and leave it to them to decide to attend or not? It never hurts to reach out and offer a sense of inclusiveness. Should have invited Putin and Zelensky to attend the funeral...might have been a good time to reach out and offer an opportunity for reconciliation or at least one of contemplation of the effects of their war upon the world. Just a thought...
If the decision had been Her Majesty's I believe youre right, and it would have been right in line with the way she governed. Putin's statement was masterful and unexpected, we forget they met many times since 2003.
Absolute state of Sweden
The Woman who wished the Queen an excruciating death, sent her sympathies to the Ayatollah on Twitter to an announcement he was ill. Critical race theorist priorities
I like the fact, that the country is able to stop for one day . It is not my celebration, but I'm happy to see that there is still sth that people take so seriously.
Douglas you know America gets the best president they can buy , but it does not always work as in Trump 2016.....
I think it was on MSNBC not CNN where the confrontation happened between Ali Velshi and the British Historian.
But there is a link between immigration and crime.
We need decent microphones people.
They will hopefully be a breath of fresh air. James just a tad mealy mouthed ,with respect and imho.
Mulțumim!
The coverage of the Swedish election was really really bad. You should find more competent reporters.
Politics is big business...like big Pharma.
What is wrong with James Forsyth staring upwards. Has he seen a ghost or is he reading a script?
I really like the update.
Frustrating a preview of what's coming up. let's get straight to the point .
Great current Ukraine / Russian discussion.
The Russian forces definitely won’t survive the winter in Kherson. It will be interesting to see if they can pull their forces back across the Dnieper to create a front line on that river that is more defendable.
Since when do we need Spectator speakers who don't know the difference between a F and a TH?
As a foreigner looking in I was actually surprised by how divided Britain is. Booing at football matches. People complaining about the inconvenience... Also, the people standing in line didn't seem very young nor "diverse". Times are changing and these people are oblivious. They are living in a bubble.
Watch THE DURAN if you really want to know what’s going on with the Special Military Operation in Ukraine. I don’t see many facts here. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺
I am far right as i want open borders, free trade, small government with low taxes and it is totally opposite of the Swedish Democrats. I don´t understand why anyone would call them "right wing" in any way, it is just false.
I do like the way that anyone who's right of Marx is always "far right"
Cindy - channelling the Green Lady adorning a million living rooms in the 60s and 70s
What's wrong with nationalism? isn't it simply the process of defend ones history, culture and demographic from erasure, that's how I see it, to love ones people, doesn't follow you hate another.
Saying if you're anti slavery make you have far right policies is really a pile of bollocks
shape up or ship out
interesting to see Douglas returning to his more Conservative dress style recently. i wonder if its mourning dress or something
LOL, you should consider ignoring the American media…like most Americans.
The animus of the Irish, Scottish and Celtic ancestors in Great Britain and their descendants in America never abates. The Romans quickly saw it was wise to wall 'em out: Even Burke commented on the hatred of the Highlanders when he was safely living inside the protective walls of Edinburgh, Is it coincidence that the Roman Catholic faith suits Celts well?
What’s happened to America.
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The SNP is all about racial socialism arent they
I'm not very familiar with the history of the period, but could nascent antii-slavery sentiments in the UK leading to the abolition of slavery have been one of the factors which led to the American oligarchs declaring a war of independence?
Wasnt it taxes on sugar (produced by slaves) which led to the War? But not emancipation so much, the movement only took off in England late 1770s whereas the Sugar Act was 1764. Certainly though your American Civil War.
Sweden Democrats had former WaffenSS members???
Extremely few Swedes were actually in the German Forces and at least these assumed people would have been 65 years or older at the start of the party in 1988.
Get your facts in order at the Spectator, and don't end up like the BBC or The Guardian.
Thank You.
Martin
Absolutely
Tell us more about how virtuous you are, James ...
get over yourselves.. most people thought Charleses little rant about his pen pad was hilarious
Part 2 The real question might be not how we can make room for duty and respect in the scientific political world, but rather, how does science work to make such concepts impossible, and so scientific projects of reduction redescription, reinterpretation, and elimination.
In a strong sense of an antinomy, the modern uptake of these sciences of right and self-interest were destined to eliminate duty and respect etc, much like Nietzsche predicted and Anscombe 70 years or so later described.
Modern institutional systems all take self-interest as a given and everybody is in its internecine structure, those at the top are further regulated by laws that treat them as self-interested players to be controlled and determined entirely by external law and force.
People say no one trusts the system or its personal anymore. but really in political science there can be no trust only vague and ever-changing bungles of relations, set up and dropped by changes in atomist affordances.
Problem is with these internecine self-interested contingent changing associations no one can predict anything anymore, no one knows what the meaning of their acts are anymore. in fact, the "art" of political science is to disguise the real end point of policy, to use double effect pragmatically. But what can pragmatic means here without real end and prediction.
it didn't go well in 1914. Watch "The Last Valley" something like..."Sir Castile has fallen to the Duke of so and so" Reply " i don't know if that is a good thing or bad thing anymore. I don't know what it means"
"Public hysteria 25 years ago" and not the same now? I'd say take a second look and you can see plenty of media hysteria (plus the societal and economic frenzy) around the Queen's death, it's quite remarkable, though unsurprising. What's not unsurprising (contrary to Alexander Larman) is that the Queen died, I'm not intending to be disrespectful, but she was 96. There's both too much analysis in this and not enough (freedom of speech and protesting for example). I can't imagine that this is exactly what the Queen would have wanted.
To Douglas. Is Hunter Biden going to run!!!
With the amount of support, monetary, and military, that Ukraine has received from the UK, the EU and the USA it would be astonishing if they were not able to push back a bit! Is any other country supporting Russia's efforts in their Special Military Operation? And, on another point, would Putin maybe justified in using the term 'terrorism' in relation to those who support Ukraine. It's probably terrifying to Putin that so much material support is being funnelled towards the Zeylensky regime, with all the ultra-nationalism they are proud to promote.
I've heard the Ukrainians are getting slaughtered. The U.S. couldn't care less, the longer it goes on - the more money they make.
SD are right wing classical Social democrats. When it comes to economics they are almost socialist, taking votes from the Social democrats. They are almost a copy of the social democratic party from 1955.
Part 1 Comments on Douglas Murray interview. We could express the problematic of unelected absolute power by making it analogous with dictatorship and totalitarianism. its modern version is the anthropological idea that the old patriarchy of the family carried over to, what we might express as the "conceptuality" of the tribal leader as leader of an extended family, and that this original difference based on nature and power has carried over and continued its "effect" to the present day. We can do a then both a natural and constructed (Foucault) genealogy and trace the contemporary equality difference as the consequent metric difference to the original natural difference. but of course, there is here an incongruence between the political conceptuality of the cosmology of tribes and the contemporary political conceptuality of democracy. this makes it a mere bad metaphor that the inference to best explanation or model for the current inequalities can be abducted back to that original difference. Even in science there is a choice, a freedom over which general concepts best capture this difference and predict the future with its use. In fact, the choice of general concepts or identities to most simply clarify the data is not originally scientific but rather was the result of political, cultural historical concepts of identities already in play like an intuition here, and then later this choice is supposedly legitimised by the post facto data. So, gender difference now is due to the effects of original patriarchy. Likewise with race and ethnicity difference but here due to the continuing effect of colonialism and empire. it has been unfortunate for this approach that post World War two saw a female sovereign and major female leader in this role.
Our current conceptual politics is dominate by science of representation and causal effect. This has its genealogy traced back by me to Hobbes's science of man as set by our natures as individual self-interest behaviour. Here what is significant is not so much the choice of which identities to arrange the data under, but rather that any action micro or macro must have its moral economic and political "content" in terms of self-interest and causes and subjected causal techniques.
What is really inappropriate, in this scientific image of man, what is really politically incorrect, is the idea anyone could ever act out of virtue or duty or respect for dignity.
we could express it as a kind of denial of a political natural theology. like cosmological and teleological arguments. That is roughly something like: All human action is in essence or natural kinds of a series of self-interested acts. there is no necessary first duty, no necessary first case that is not self-interested. Virtue duty dignity do not exist. So the idea of a Queen doing her duty is like a Mirical, an anomaly for this science of man, a priori. It threatens the ground of the sciences and natural philosophy.
but also, we might express another opposite kind of non-natural theology as something like for all legitimacy to flow form the people there must be duty through the organs and instruments of the state in order to deliver on that content of the people. These duties cannot be in opposition to each other and so a single sovereign must be the original unifying object of absolute duty for all other duties fall under it and are so arranged. Here in lies through the idea that only the sovereign is responsible since all other duties are exculpated to it. The real function of totalitarianism and dictatorship is that no one is responsible except the one at the top.
but in a way also the self-interest natural since everyone can say "everybody does it" and "I am just reacting to everybody else in self-interest". the science then represents this so in the end Bernard Williams internal and external reasons are seen as the same. We can use science to exculpate my action and use laws and duties to exculpate it also. Like the guy on the talk show who said robbery was his job (his station?). and went on the explain his actions as the result of causal antecedents.
Gave up after the first sentence.
There has also been some discussion by Australian politicians and activists badmouthing our Queen
I adore Douglas Murray, but I increasingly feel that he really might be Harry Enfield's love child...