Thanks Trevor. I have had this pedal a year and use it live for vocal and sax but there were a few things that were niggling me with regard to understanding exactly how it worked. Obviously I understood the importance of the correct key and set up individual patches in different keys. Very easy to do. But the way that you explain this is superb. I will be making little tweaks to my patches, mainly regarding volumes. I thought that harmony volumes were like a wet/dry mix with the original vocal…which they kind of are but I never used 100% I now realise how I can manipulate harmony 1 and two . So big thanks 🙏
Great video Trevor, just picked this pedal up as I need harmonies on a lot of songs. I knew I could generate harmonies using this pedal but am happily surprised I can customize each individual harmony. Pretty cool stuff! Thanks for the breakdown of all of the features of this customization process - super helpful.
Excellent demo of the Harmony functions on the VE 20. Having spent a bunch of time customizing patches on this unit, it can be a bit tedious but worth the effort
Thanks Trevor, Hope I heard your name right. I have been following your videos before, so, it’s so nice you have uploaded new videos. They are so well explained. ( at 78 I am still recording ☺️). Sincere thanks 🙏
Great tutorial, for gigs i use a harmonizer where the guitar is plugged into it so it does harmony on whatever chord you play, but i would like to use the ve20 for busking because it is also battery operated, so if the song is in C , what should i do when there's harmonies also in F and G in the C song..
@bigbossguitar Thanks 😀👍 Setting the Ve20 to key C sets the song keyscale to C major. This means when you sing, the harmonies added will be based on the key scale of C major. Notes C, F and G are all notes of the keyscale C major, so key C is the correct setting for all 3 notes.
@@IbandUK @IbandUK You are saying notes of F and G , but i'm talking the Chords of F and G which is the the 4 and the 5 chords of C , will those be correct on the song of key of C
@bigbossguitar Hi, yes I am saying notes because the Ve20 is a vocal harmonizer, so it detects notes not chords. All the notes in the chords C, F and G are in the key of C, so in theory you only need to set the Ve20 to key C for all of them... However, as the Ve20 only detects notes, the resulting harmony may not be what you expect. Ideally, it would detect a C chord as a C note but may actually detect the C note, the E note or the G note or all three (depending on how you play). I will see if I can do a video... That would better explain how the resulting harmonic sound sounds like.
Thank you for this demonstration. I have been looking to get something like this as I am a solo performer and I would like to be able to have harmonies and thicker vocals,
Thanks Trev for the vid. So if i understand this correctly you need to match each song with the proper key for the harmony to sound correct. The harmony effect can not adjust key automatically to each song(be able to set harmony on chromatic to detect key). Also can effects be layered reverb,delay, doubler,etc. to play at the same time in a song. Thanks
Hey Tony, yes, you have to match each song with the proper key - and often, you also have to really know the chorus or part that you are using the harmony to because it can clash, and that's when a double is better. You can set the 'harmony pedal' which is in setup after reverb to custom to have whatever effects you need - reverb, delay, pitch correct. This is useful when doing a delay echo on a particular part of a song for example. I use my ve for live work and often have a preset just for those echoes and a separate one just for harmonies or other effects. So one song might have 2 or 3 different presets I have created. People think I am playing an instrument because I have the pedal in front of me to dial left and right rather than using the stomp
@j9babe2004 Hi, no, there is no auto key scale option. Usually auto key scale detection requires chord input from a guitar or synth to an audio feed input and the Ve20 does not have an audio feed input.
I am going to be using this live, so if every song is in a different key, then I must change to that particular key in between each song??? Not very intuitive?
@dr.jerilynvogelsang3922 Hi, for live I have setup a user preset for each song and renamed each preset with the name of the song. I change some of the fx settings for each song, so this works well for me. This way I can quickly select the preset between songs. If you don't use the foot switches to turn fx on/off during your songs, you can set the foot switches to preset mode and select presets by pressing the foot switches instead of using the knobs.
Hi. Thank you for your video and demonstration. I am debating between this BOSS VE 20 and the BOSS VE 500, which the latter, for me, seems a little complex for my home studio and sometimes live events as a solo artist with occasional guest vocalists. Do you find the VE 20 sufficient for live performances, specifically with the "limitation" of having to manually change the key for each song? Thanks, and I'm looking forward to watching more of your videos! :)
@joeyc.387 Hi, Thanks 😀👍 Personally I deliberately chose the Ve20 because of the manual key setup... Quite a few of my songs have vocal sections without any instruments playing so manual key setup is required. Also, I would worry that an accidental playing of the wrong chord in a live situation would usually go unnoticed but if the vocals harmonies or pitch correction was wrong too, the result would be very obvious. With 50 user presets on the Ve20, it's easy for me to create a preset for every song, especially since a lot of my songs have different reverb settings anyway. The Boss Ve500 looks good but probably overkill for my needs. In the studio, I think it's just easier to use plugins.
Hi good info here, bit confused on Keys, if I set to say C, then all user presets with harmonies/octaves will be in C? or can each preset have its own key? Using mostly for flutes & some vocals. Thanks
@woodwindwebby8271 Hi, Each preset can have a different key... I have one preset set to C, another set to G, another set to D, etc... I have named each preset C, G, D, etc, so I can quickly select the right one for each song
@barrydavison8705 Hi, this might appear obvious but the Key only affects vocal correction or harmonies, so you need at least one set to ON in the settings and foot switch 2 pressed on if the pitch correction or harmonies are set to foot switch 2. The pitch correction Soft setting is not as obvious as the Hard setting, which in turn is not as obvious as the Electric setting. Of course the pitch correction is to the nearest note of the chosen key scale, so if you change the key scale but that note is in both key scales the vocals will be corrected to the same note in both key scales.
Hi I am new to using this pedal > I finally got it from your video that one needs to set the key for the song to get the right harmony . This can be good for studio settings but how does one use this in live settings where your song list of 4 sets can have different keys and maybe some songs have a key change in them too . Also is there a way to separate the main vocals and harmony as two line outs to the mixer or a DAW for recordings ? Appreciate your inputs
@user-ss1lk3tf5f Hi, personally I have created a user preset for each song I sing live (there are 50 user presets) and name the preset the same as the song, so I can just select the right preset before I play each (takes about 3 seconds). If you need a key change during a song you would probably need to setup to user presets for the song and set the foot switches to preset select mode so the foot switches are use to change the preset instead of switching fx on or off. The Ve20 has the option of mono output or stereo output... The stereo output can be so left out is mono (dry + fx) and right out is dry only but I don't see an option for left as fx and right as dry (or vice versa), so there is no option to output just the wet (fx) signal.
@@IbandUK Sorry I am not to sure I understood some of the terms here . I am bit new to this segment . Q : If I want to record my vocals into Cubase as two separate tracks - Lead vocals and harmonies separately as two separate tracks . How would I do it -Do I need to do this as two separate takes ? and if so - How do I get only harmonies into the DAW without the lead vocals - How do I need to set the Boss VE 20 ? Sorry if this is too basic a question but I am really new to playing and recording with this piece Thanks in advance
@stephenhoward4483 While there is a Write function on the Ve20, it is used to copy a preset (called a sound by Boss) to another user preset. Any change I make to a user preset (user sound) are automatically saved...
Thanks Trevor. I have had this pedal a year and use it live for vocal and sax but there were a few things that were niggling me with regard to understanding exactly how it worked. Obviously I understood the importance of the correct key and set up individual patches in different keys. Very easy to do. But the way that you explain this is superb. I will be making little tweaks to my patches, mainly regarding volumes. I thought that harmony volumes were like a wet/dry mix with the original vocal…which they kind of are but I never used 100%
I now realise how I can manipulate harmony 1 and two . So big thanks 🙏
@johnycat7373
Thanks, I'm glad you found my video helpful 😀👍
Great video Trevor, just picked this pedal up as I need harmonies on a lot of songs. I knew I could generate harmonies using this pedal but am happily surprised I can customize each individual harmony. Pretty cool stuff! Thanks for the breakdown of all of the features of this customization process - super helpful.
@Pack_of_One
Hi, thanks, I'm glad you found my video helpful 😀👍
Wow...if every single tutorial video was like how you explained this pedal!! Thanks Trevor~
@arlene_mora
😍👍
Excellent demo of the Harmony functions on the VE 20. Having spent a bunch of time customizing patches on this unit, it can be a bit tedious but worth the effort
@dennyps1
Thanks, I'm glad you found my video helpful 😀👍
thank you! i was looking for someone to go through all its features before i buy one
@misfit1-3
I'm glad you found my video helpful 😀👍
Thanks a lot, this series on the VE20 is very helpful!
@MaPa60
I'm glad you found my video helpful 😀👍
Thanks Trevor, Hope I heard your name right.
I have been following your videos before, so, it’s so nice you have uploaded new videos. They are so well explained. ( at 78 I am still recording ☺️).
Sincere thanks 🙏
@MrGuido63
Hi, yes you heard correctly. Thanks, I'm glad you found my channel helpful 😀👍
Great tutorial, for gigs i use a harmonizer where the guitar is plugged into it so it does harmony on whatever chord you play, but i would like to use the ve20 for busking because it is also battery operated, so if the song is in C , what should i do when there's harmonies also in F and G in the C song..
@bigbossguitar
Thanks 😀👍
Setting the Ve20 to key C sets the song keyscale to C major. This means when you sing, the harmonies added will be based on the key scale of C major. Notes C, F and G are all notes of the keyscale C major, so key C is the correct setting for all 3 notes.
@@IbandUK @IbandUK You are saying notes of F and G , but i'm talking the Chords of F and G which is the the 4 and the 5 chords of C , will those be correct on the song of key of C
@bigbossguitar
Hi, yes I am saying notes because the Ve20 is a vocal harmonizer, so it detects notes not chords. All the notes in the chords C, F and G are in the key of C, so in theory you only need to set the Ve20 to key C for all of them... However, as the Ve20 only detects notes, the resulting harmony may not be what you expect. Ideally, it would detect a C chord as a C note but may actually detect the C note, the E note or the G note or all three (depending on how you play). I will see if I can do a video... That would better explain how the resulting harmonic sound sounds like.
@@IbandUK Thank you so much..
Thank you!
Very nice explanation.
@woodwinds...
Thanks 😀👍
Thank you for this demonstration. I have been looking to get something like this as I am a solo performer and I would like to be able to have harmonies and thicker vocals,
@ServingMyJesus
I'm glad you found my video helpful 😀👍
Thanks Trev for the vid. So if i understand this correctly you need to match each song with the proper key for the harmony to sound correct. The harmony effect can not adjust key automatically to each song(be able to set harmony on chromatic to detect key). Also can effects be layered reverb,delay, doubler,etc. to play at the same time in a song. Thanks
Hey Tony, yes, you have to match each song with the proper key - and often, you also have to really know the chorus or part that you are using the harmony to because it can clash, and that's when a double is better. You can set the 'harmony pedal' which is in setup after reverb to custom to have whatever effects you need - reverb, delay, pitch correct. This is useful when doing a delay echo on a particular part of a song for example. I use my ve for live work and often have a preset just for those echoes and a separate one just for harmonies or other effects. So one song might have 2 or 3 different presets I have created. People think I am playing an instrument because I have the pedal in front of me to dial left and right rather than using the stomp
Is there an auto key setting for the harmony?
@j9babe2004
Hi, no, there is no auto key scale option. Usually auto key scale detection requires chord input from a guitar or synth to an audio feed input and the Ve20 does not have an audio feed input.
@@IbandUK thanks for your response
Спасибо
@superded5793
😀👍
I am going to be using this live, so if every song is in a different key, then I must change to that particular key in between each song??? Not very intuitive?
@dr.jerilynvogelsang3922
Hi, for live I have setup a user preset for each song and renamed each preset with the name of the song. I change some of the fx settings for each song, so this works well for me. This way I can quickly select the preset between songs. If you don't use the foot switches to turn fx on/off during your songs, you can set the foot switches to preset mode and select presets by pressing the foot switches instead of using the knobs.
Hi. Thank you for your video and demonstration. I am debating between this BOSS VE 20 and the BOSS VE 500, which the latter, for me, seems a little complex for my home studio and sometimes live events as a solo artist with occasional guest vocalists. Do you find the VE 20 sufficient for live performances, specifically with the "limitation" of having to manually change the key for each song? Thanks, and I'm looking forward to watching more of your videos! :)
@joeyc.387
Hi,
Thanks 😀👍
Personally I deliberately chose the Ve20 because of the manual key setup... Quite a few of my songs have vocal sections without any instruments playing so manual key setup is required. Also, I would worry that an accidental playing of the wrong chord in a live situation would usually go unnoticed but if the vocals harmonies or pitch correction was wrong too, the result would be very obvious. With 50 user presets on the Ve20, it's easy for me to create a preset for every song, especially since a lot of my songs have different reverb settings anyway.
The Boss Ve500 looks good but probably overkill for my needs.
In the studio, I think it's just easier to use plugins.
Hi good info here, bit confused on Keys, if I set to say C, then all user presets with harmonies/octaves will be in C? or can each preset have its own key? Using mostly for flutes & some vocals. Thanks
@woodwindwebby8271
Hi,
Each preset can have a different key... I have one preset set to C, another set to G, another set to D, etc...
I have named each preset C, G, D, etc, so I can quickly select the right one for each song
Where's part 2?
@tolerbearALTII
Hi, here is my link to part 2 (pitch correction)...
ruclips.net/video/elXK3trvdvw/видео.html
I can’t hear any difference when I change key on the device . I recorded my vocal and they sound identical
@barrydavison8705
Hi, this might appear obvious but the Key only affects vocal correction or harmonies, so you need at least one set to ON in the settings and foot switch 2 pressed on if the pitch correction or harmonies are set to foot switch 2.
The pitch correction Soft setting is not as obvious as the Hard setting, which in turn is not as obvious as the Electric setting. Of course the pitch correction is to the nearest note of the chosen key scale, so if you change the key scale but that note is in both key scales the vocals will be corrected to the same note in both key scales.
Hi I am new to using this pedal > I finally got it from your video that one needs to set the key for the song to get the right harmony . This can be good for studio settings but how does one use this in live settings where your song list of 4 sets can have different keys and maybe some songs have a key change in them too . Also is there a way to separate the main vocals and harmony as two line outs to the mixer or a DAW for recordings ? Appreciate your inputs
@user-ss1lk3tf5f
Hi, personally I have created a user preset for each song I sing live (there are 50 user presets) and name the preset the same as the song, so I can just select the right preset before I play each (takes about 3 seconds). If you need a key change during a song you would probably need to setup to user presets for the song and set the foot switches to preset select mode so the foot switches are use to change the preset instead of switching fx on or off.
The Ve20 has the option of mono output or stereo output... The stereo output can be so left out is mono (dry + fx) and right out is dry only but I don't see an option for left as fx and right as dry (or vice versa), so there is no option to output just the wet (fx) signal.
@@IbandUK Sorry I am not to sure I understood some of the terms here . I am bit new to this segment . Q : If I want to record my vocals into Cubase as two separate tracks - Lead vocals and harmonies separately as two separate tracks . How would I do it -Do I need to do this as two separate takes ? and if so - How do I get only harmonies into the DAW without the lead vocals - How do I need to set the Boss VE 20 ? Sorry if this is too basic a question but I am really new to playing and recording with this piece Thanks in advance
I can see how you set it up but, not how to save it.
@stephenhoward4483
While there is a Write function on the Ve20, it is used to copy a preset (called a sound by Boss) to another user preset. Any change I make to a user preset (user sound) are automatically saved...