Jeff Lebby to MSU, Who Will Be OU's Next OC? + BYU Almost Did It, Michigan Owns Ohio State & Ws/Ls
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Gabe Ikard and Teddy Lehman discuss Jeff Lebby being named the head coach at Mississippi State and break down possible offensive coordinator replacements for Brent Venables (1:21). They recap Oklahoma’s 69-45 win over TCU (43:03). They recap Oklahoma State's 2OT win over BYU, Texas destroying Texas Tech and Michigan beating Ohio State...again (1:10:46). Teddy and Gabe give their “Winners and Losers of the Weekend:” Oklahoma basketball, Texas A&M for hiring Mark Stoops then backing out and hiring Mike Elko, Alabama for their wild win over Auburn in the Iron Bowl and Oregon State for getting smacked by Oregon and then losing head coach Jonathan Smith to Michigan State (1:38:37).
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Georgia Fan here: I've been listening to some OU and Texas Podcasters given you guys are essentially SEC teams now and in the foreseeable future, so i'm interested in knowing more about the fanbases. Mississippi State is not a horrible job and is a place with reasonable expectations unlike a Texas A&M. it is not a place that requires championships. From what I understand from my Mississippi State friends, the expectations from the job there are to do 3 things. 1. Get back to scoring Points, 2. Consistently be Bowl Eligible (6-8 wins) 3. Win the Egg Bowl against Ole Miss as that Rivalry game is very important in that State. If Lebby does those 3 things, he can be there as long as he wants.
Worked out for both parties. I hope Jeff does well at MSU but I think our fanbase is ready for something less gimmicky on offense.
OU fan base needs a Tune Up as well as the Administration. SEC schools will be walking into a Whole New World when they come to Norman. It's a Liberal School & Town and I WELCOME the SEC. The SEC represents what College Football is all about. Change is Good!
Oklahoma fans are great, we are great awesome people. We travel well too. Norman is great. Stadium is amazing. Great game atmosphere.
Not gonna be fun having to play modern day Georgia, especially between the hedges. I’m hoping we don’t turn in to Arkansas
@@robertadams8548OU fan base is great and extremely Red lmao. Hard to not have a great fan base as the most storied football program in college football history. Weird takes.
Texas fan here. 🤘
You guys are bad ass! Best sports commentary and analysis on the web.
Keep up the great work.
Hook ‘em! 🤘
Hope texas stomps osu! Get that trophy and flip the bird at commish
Class fans deserve a shout out! Respect! Hope UT stomps OSU.
I was cheering OU for the rematch in the Big 12 Championship, AND that was
F🫢CKING PASS INTERFERENCE on Drake Stoops in the OSU game.
Just sayin’.
So happy that Texas is going to win the Big 12. They might be our rivalry but I will always root for them whenever they play against a Big 12 school from now on, well mainly the hateful 8. Good luck and I hope you get in the playoffs also!
Texas trolling Yormack was pure gold 😂
I thought that was hilarious
Texas hasn't gotten the business from Yormark and the Big12 near as bad as OU has.
I wish Coach Lebby nothing but the best!
Agree 100% on the "Gotcha" style of offence OU has been running. This is not TT, OSU or TCU. OU should have superior talent and the ability to enforce their will and style of play on inferior teams.
“DeMarco Murray? OU running back legend! He’s not leaving.” ❤❤❤
I'd hope not for starkville.
I'm with yall.....I just want to run the dam ball. If we are building a defensive powerhouse....I feel it's synargistic to pound the rock with 7 minute drives.
Great segment, guys. 100% spot-on Teddy, talking about our run defense.
Tempo offense is what you run when the players across from you are better than you. If you can over power or out run the player across from you, you don't need tempo.
EXACTLY!!! I've said the same thing. Tempo is great for ucf, not for OU in the big 12.
@@tb5687OU isn't in the Big12 anymore
It's time to start playing complimentary football moving into the SEC. We have the defensive minded HC,it's time to find a OC that can run the ball as a priority.
I'd like to see a offense that can run tempo and huddle it up and slow it down.
no, if it works with better players in front of you, then it works even better when your players are better than theirs.
Damn that’s a late drop you guys! Thought yall maybe would drop the episode tomorrow but glad im getting it now
Along with an OC, we DESPARATELY need a good special teams coordinator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AGREED
Lebby was the king of RPOs. As Teddy said after KU - blaaahhh. RPOs and Tempo are ok but they have to be tools but not the entire scheme.
100% I don’t really care for Either !!! I think Both adversely affect the O line Blocking for run game as O line don’t know whats coming !!!
I think KU's OC would be a great choice. If you want a solid, physical running game you don't hire a Texas Tech guy.
Littrell's offense isn't a finesse style. It's not like Leach's
Willie Korn of Liberty U would be ideal. He's not only an offensive coordinator but also a QB coach. He's 12-0 this season.
Where do they rank offensively? 👀
@@Gutslinger OU is no. 4 while Liberty is no. 5 in total offense nationally.
@@MegaEasyliving Damn.. That should be worth considering.
I haven't been paying much attention to the names being thrown around, but I don't believe I heard that suggestion until now.
That would be a fantastic get. A great up and comer who's played QB and knows the role. Only caveat is if he's willing to come in and not make any staff changes as Teddy and Gabe mentioned. If so, he'd be awesome.
Hard to know how much he's responsible for vs Jamey Chadwell (the HC). I haven't watched Liberty, but watched them both coach at Coastal Carolina. It's a unique system, and I'm not sure we will choose to go with it.
I definitely don't want another Air Raid offense. A lot people hear that word and assume it's just a bunch of 20 yard passes down the field. A good chunk of the Air Raid offense is throwing those quick WR screens and then letting them try to get the yardage. The air raid isn't the offense we want to play in the SEC. We want a more NFL style offense. Like Gabe said, if in the interview process for an OC, when asked if they will play the QB under center and they say "No" then they can just get out!
I wonder if the defense just got worn out by the end of the season. I need to go see where we are in the number of plays defended stats. Thats an issue with Lebby's offense. It tends to leave the defense on the field a lot.
Hell yeah the defense is worn out the damn no huddle offense spread air raid bullshit keeps OUs defense on the field
100% agree with the tempo sentiment. If your a great offense and a great oc you don't need tempo. Some of the slowest tempo we've run since '99 was actually under riley
Teddy nailed it: Tempo is a crutch for not being able to knock the other guy off the ball. It's been that way since John Elway and Stanford ran the early progenitors of "spread/air raid/west coast" some *forty* years ago. That's why Riley bolted to the PAC 12, and that's why OU's *defenses* slowly but precipitously started becoming less physical in the mid 2010s going forward. Can't say *why* that trade-off happens, but it sure seems a repeatable facet of history.
I really wish Teddy and Gabe would get into coaching. OU could use minds like theirs.
You wouldn't really know this, but according to most of the Bama alumnae, they consider Tennessee a more difficult and hated rival than Auburn.
Can we get some big ass tight ends, a 250lb fullback and play some smash mouth offense?? Please
Mississippi State is where your coaching career goes to die.
Arkansas 2
Too soon. RIP Leach
Another hot name: Brennan Marion at UNLV. Did very well this year.
Let Seth Littrel be a temporary OC for the bowl game. Evaluate his performance.
They called it - Co-OC. Top notch stuff.
I was at the game, that weather was brutal, almost freezing and pouring the whole time. The rain stopped briefly for half but man it was bad. Obviously Bowman does not like the rain😂 fun game, sat in the 3rd row student section with my best friend (big ou guy) and we had a great time, huge Atmosphere even with the weather.
On board w what y’all are saying about a new OC .. someone that runs a strong physical run game using 2 backs, Hback and TE going 11 12 21 personnel on occasion
This is my fave sports show in all formats
Yep, I listen to some other teams podcasts. Oklahoma Breakdown is the best by far.
No one talking about sherrone moore michigan oc- played at ou, recruited mccarthy
He ain't leaving Michigan for the same job at OU especially after his 3 game win streak is over Ohio State. He won't take any job that's not an HC.
John Blake was a great recruiter who the players loved lol. Lebby showed streaks of brilliance interspersed with myopic play calling that didn’t take advantage of the personnel he had available. I’ve been hoping most of the year that he’d be gone at the end of the season. I’m excited to see who’s next.
The Kansas game especially and Oklahoma state play calling by Lebby was just off. Although I do believe we got hosed at OSU. But, oh well.
@@seanb.4712 - His play calling was trash in way more games than that in my opinion, the defense stepped up and grinded out a victory though.
@@seanb.4712I don't disagree with that Lebby take but he didn't turn the ball over 2 and 3 times that killed OU. 🤷 . They execute they win those games even if it was with less than desirable play calling .
@kaylonpendleton834 true. Just an odd game
I’m sure Bill is somewhat happy to be potentially done with the RPO and get back to running the football like we used to. Also, the team and fan base would be so fired up if we hired Cale as the OC. I doubt Cale wants to get back into coaching but that would be amazing
If Littrell or Joe Jon are hired it would probably be more of the same.
I am liking Newland Isaac And Willy Korn from Liberty for OC and Co OC. They've had highly successful offenses at two different D1 schools and are young and hungry. Their offense was pretty much statistically the same as OUs this year.
There you guys are! Lebby out and Seth in?!?! Exciting!
I’d like to see Cale Gundy back on staff.
Although I think Lebby was inconsistent and frustrating at times, I think most general online OU fans are underestimating the setback this potentially will be for us. Especially considering that he produced what was statistically the number 3 offense, and we're going to be in our first year in the SEC with a new inexperienced starting QB.
I personally can't think of who could replace him. I'd like to mull over the resumés of the potential candidates.
I have to agree with Gutslinger. ou has a lot of chaos going on and it's only 292 days until Tulane
Jeff’s offense looked good against bad defense,so there’s that , as a ou fan I’m tired of this spread air raid bullshit
BV has made great decisions so far with the staff, expect him to make another good decision. Whoever is selected better bring it, next years schedule is awesome
Pretty telling that Lebby didn't give OU a fond farewell
Nah, it seemed like a pretty standard coach departure. I personally don’t care about a big exit press conference or Instagram letter to the fans.
I don't know when you're recording the segment with Josh Pate, but I hope you can ask him why he doesn't have a "My State" shirt featuring the state of Oklahoma.
Love the show, but mostly listen on podcast. Hope you all have a good day.
Kansas' OC should get at least a interview.
if we dont have a oc by then maybe this weeks in the weeds could be a breakdown of the top candidates ! trees and stuff what the o would like like and stuff !
Did the Art Briles situation ruffle some feathers
Pulling for Coach Finley. I will support who ever we hire. Like the in house hire for sure
Seth and Emmit as co-offensive coordinators with Seth calling the plays. Like to see less RPO’s and more tight end passing down field and a full back or two back set. I hate tempo!
I haven't paid a to of attention to Grime's offense. I wonder if he does a lot of full slide protection so that the run and pass have the same line action. That was a thing when Noel Mazzone was a hot name in offense.
I remember both you guys playing for OU and appreciate what you do, I am Sooner born and bred love it
Garrett Riley being mentioned seemed like the most outrageous for obvious reasons lmao 😂😂😂😂😂
I just hope that whoever we hire is a great friend of Bill Bedenbaugh, I don’t want to lose him! Maybe even him for OC or at least offer it to him. I think an internal hire might give a whole lot more continuity to our program. But I’m only a CouchCoach so I will support whatever our coach decides.!!
He needs to pick someone quickly because we’ll start losing recruits like when LR left. If anybody needs to leave it should be Ted Roof.
I truly feel like we can do way better than Seth Littrell and I think we need to entering the SEC.
I think the best move would be to name Seth Littrell to be the Interm OC for the bowl game. Then spend the next month figuring out the long term answer. He should be ready to pick an OC as all the bowl games are ending.
I agree with your opinion. Either Littrell or Joe John as interim OC.
The only issue with Littrel is he hasn't called plays in almost a decade. I definitely think for the Bowl Game, it needs to be Joe Jon.
But most importantly, I want them leave no stone un turned.
@@cryhwks I see what you're saying about Littrell, but how many plays has Joe Jon called? We only have a month to get read for the bowl game, it's easier to take someone who has done it before. If they want to make Joe Jon a Co-OC for the game, that would work fine.
Switzer OC. Wishbone
Always enjoy you guys
The last 5 out of six games, the defense has been a shit show...year two... concerning!
Just a quick comment from a Sooner Alum, class of 2000, college of engineering: I miss Norman and studying all week and saving my scream voice for Saturdays at 2:30pm against the likes of KSU and Nebraska. Every time I hear the river wind casino comm, it makes me miss my home state. I wish that there were Earl’s Rib Palace commercials about “melting her polyester wig…”. - LIVE ON UNIVERSITY!
Class of 78 here. Yeah, those were the days...
Venables being a genius on defense should consider an OC that he believes is hard to defend. Someone that gives him nightmares to game plan and stop. Is that Littrell? Maybe. Is that someone else?
Miss State...happy he is a head coach. Congrats Lebby but good luck there.
Let’s run the ball more. We’ve got one of the best RB rooms in the country and we just don’t use it to the best of our ability. Also our O-line is big but they don’t block that well IMO
I would love to see OU go to a two back system that can be used for greater deception in the running game, more so than a single back system.
Spot on with the peak at game 5.
This defense as always has a looooong way to go.
Big time defensive commits in the 2024 class but they will be young.
LBs Stutsman, Lewis and McCullough are beasts. Kanak is a train wreck and out of position most of the time. Gotta vigorously hit the transfer portal for DLs and LBs .
Stutsman was the same his sophomore year too.....kanak is learning and in his first year...normally he would be a redshirt freshman this season and people would think it was a big deal he playing as a freshman....he will develop.
So, here's the bigger question, and I asked Gabe about this before the game on Friday...... When can we expect the Teddy Lehman "Get off my lawn" line of apparel to drop? Starting with the "RPO = BAD" T-shirt. I'm all in. 😂
What's the chances of getting Cale Gundy back? I just don't get it why that one incident could tank a talented recruiter, developer, and loyal coach. Couldn't that situation been handled differently...Feels like a knee jerk reaction. Cale was the ultimate example of loyalty to the team and program.
Zero. Black players aren’t gonna want to come to OU if Cale Gundy is hired. Recruiting would be hurt big time for OU.
@@glennwarshaw5982 Glenn you black? Or you just think you can speak for black folks?
So he got canceled for repeating some else's words? Come on...how are you going to win when you create a thin skinned politically incorrect cancel culture in your locker room. You damn well not everyone is going to be held to the same accountability.@@glennwarshaw5982
Neither Cliff or Dana !! Good Lord Bad picks !! I think LR passed off QB coaching to Cliff and you saw what happened !!
I'm not sure how to feel about Lebby leaving. At times he seemed like he could put together a brilliant game plan. Other times it seemed like he didn't know what he was doing. When he let the reigns go and let the offense do its thing I felt like he was at his best. When he tried to play chess against the uncontrollable elements, like the weather, he played a little scared it seemed. It's very difficult as a fan to reconcile the Jeff Lebby who ran the 3rd or 4th best offense in the country and the Jeff Lebby who seemed scared to let his QB throw the ball down the field against Kansas or the Jeff Lebby whose offense couldn't get it down against OSU or looked anemic at times in the BYU and UCF games. In fact, every game where our offense didn't play up to its standard and expectations was a road game. Is that something that's psychological? I know BYU's field was complete shit, but BYU had to play on the same damn grass.
Our kicking woes really hurt us - even when we won the close games - and it was only a matter of time before it bit us in the ass. We need a kicker, not a belly itcher.
I’ve been harping on it for the past year. 5 of the 7 games OU lost last year could have been won if the kicker would have made all his kicks…..and almost lost the TX game and a hand full of others this year. It’s pretty telling how the coaches feel about the kicking situation when they’re going for it on 4th down when they should be going for a FG. Just when you think the kicker doesn’t matter it bites you in the butt…..
In naming the games we lost were away, but you forgot the UCF home where the Jeff Lebby offense was really bad. We would have lost that game if we hadn’t scored late in the 4th quarter.
Couldn’t agree more about the tempo I think it would definitely help OUr defense if they didn’t have to play so many plays a game
There never has been nor will there ever be an OC that fans weren't sour on and wanted fired. Fact!
Facts right after the 1st L or 3 and out they wanna fire everyone. Fans are stupid
Gabe for OC!!!
The defense issue is mostly about attitude. They circled that game in Dallas and prepped for a one game season. This happens after you print tshirts and light cigars in the locker room in celebration over a single regular season game. You don't see that at other big time programs. Every week is the super bowl is the attitude you have to play with. As far as Venables goes. He needs a DC. He's spread too thin with being a HC during the week and spread too thin during games with trying to run the defense and call plays. You add in what he's dealing with in his personal life with his wife, and it's understandable.
I would love some I formation sets being part of the plan again.
Cale Gundy should have never been let go in the first place!
Yes he should have. How can you justify ignorance from a grown as man?
@@ROUGHNECK75What? Everyone's ignorant, whether you're grown or not.
To suggest that someone can't be ignorant because they're a grown man is an ignorant assertion in itself. How can you justify that ignorance?
@troyeller734 Well, when you have a university president like the one we have... Smh.
He resigned and Brent accepted his resignation. Brent could have torn it up.
@@Cartier_specialistYou don't think they wouldn't have fired him had he not "resigned"?
Do either of you ever think about going into coaching?
Kanak needs to be playing RB or FB. Guy is a great athlete, but he's not a linebacker.
When a picture of 2 mascots with their arms around each other captioned with "'til next time" hits you in the feels, that's when you're already 3 or 4 beers in and you start to think about the good ol' days and nostalgia punches you right in the goddamn balls. So what do you do? You drink another 3 or 4 beers. If Old Lady Nostalgia wants to try to make me feel ways about stuff I'll show her. I'll just drink until I can't feel feelings anymore.
Gotta have a QB coach now too
OSU will have to play better than they have all year in order to keep from being embarrassed by Texas in the Big Xll Championship game. I watched the OU mens basketball team beat the USC team and was very excited and encouraged for this coming season. Friday was a good day for the Sooner Nation.
Yeah, Texas is loaded.
What about the OC at Washington?
IN this day and age, there’s always a rest to be first is there ever a rush to be right and when there’s a rush to be first or not right, there is a rush to judgment, and when there’s a rush to judgment, there’s a rush to action, you shouldn’t of taken it in the first place. BV take your time.!!!
Am I the only one that thinks handing it from under center, is far superior to handing it in shotgun, sideways, RPO?
Personally, I just fell like RBs have better momentum getting a running start?
46:09 exactly 💯
What you guys said about based on hardly any Tight End usage (till the end of the year) we might as well use a FULLBACK..... something a former fullback..... Littrell..might DO! I Love that...last year I remember thinking if they weren't going to throw Brayden the ball, then line up Daniel Parker as a blocking FULLBACK.....they could've done that this year with Tawee.....
Agreed. TE was not utilized this season or very little. However, I think Stogner and that room was depleted with injuries. Stogner is not that guy. Devon Mitchell is J. Sanders of Texas 2.0. and will be day 1 starter. TE should be used more or might as well put a fullback in the backfield.
The TE room had Stog that's it all others were either True Freshman and not big enough yet or injured. We had no TE to pull from and Stog is a shell of himself and that's the best we could get from him and he was a liability in blocking.
The H-back is combo player that be used like a tight end to throw to or be used as a blocking back in the backfield.
@@donfrazier8103 I know this. I just like traditional fullbacks and last year we needed one. This year they actually used the Tight End to block....too often....Austin Stogner was wasted.
Willy Korn is my guy. I hope they look into this guy.
Where is Mark Mangino
next OC
We need an offensive ID....something the offense will hang their hat on no matter what the defense is that week.
ATM reminds of that scene in Friday Night Lights when 4 guys come in and tell Coach what to do in that 1st game 🙄
I want defensive line play good enough to at least the point that I no longer have thoughts that the now senior citizen Selmon brothers could play some snaps
They need to run that Kevin Wilson type offense. I remember him letting the QB get under center, passed to the TE and passed to the RB a lot. That spread offense is very easy to stop and one dimensional
I believe under Wilson OU set an ncaa record for scoring 60+ in 5 straight games
Wilsons offense when Sam was QB was tempo on steroids
Why does everyone spend so much time praising Jeff Lebby and the impacts his going to Miss St will benefit that school? I want to know more about OU and how it is now impacted.
What candidate runs an offense that is most like or most closely resembles kyle shanahans offense? That's who we need to get
I heard that Joe Jon Finley buyout is a big problem. And his agent does not want to go through it again. Also that Joe Jon is the interim OC. All from the OU insider guys Brandon and Parker.
OU commit Devon Mitchell tweets out last night (Sunday) he is locked in with OU! Also tall the QB commits are staying with OU. Michael Hawkins jr is the only one that might go somewhere, it depends on the new OC. One of the QB said that As long as Venables is head coach at OU he is going to play at OU does not matter who calls plays. This is From OU insider podcast Sunday night one.
Please no air raid in the SEC
I love how y'all referred to coach as VB, or Ventables. Not Brent.
Definitely need Fb Hb. We have had some great ones like Flowers
Bama and Georgia deal with this every year
Someone tell Teddy we ARE doing the right thing with all this conference realignment. You want to make an omelet you gotta join a better conference. I don't think all these classic in-state rivalries are going to go away forever. Once the dust settles I think the ones who were left behind will eventually realize that pouting isn't going to change anything (OSU). How is it Iowa and Iowa St can play every year? What about Florida and Florida St? What about OU and Texas before Texas joined the Big 12? There's a super easy fix, but teams like OSU would rather sit and pout about it than put on their big boy pants and make the necessary changes. Once college football gets to where it's headed there is going to be a better product on the field. If I had my way the top 60 teams would break off and form their own league, and could ONLY play the teams within that league. No more 11th game of the season against Chattanooga for Alabama. That's a total embarrassment, and Alabama should be ashamed of themselves playing those FCS teams in week 11.
So who do we have in the bowl game?
Hard to see JL leave. I hope it will not be a set back...
I've been waiting on u guys .... I need yalls thoughts 😂
Need to run a pro style offense as an air raid or true spread has never won a National Championship…
I think he got super butthurt about the Briles on the field thing and started looking to leave. That's also around the time some of his play calling really started stray from what it had been the first several games of the season.
Him leaving now make perfect sense looking back at those few things.
I agree. I figured we would only have. Him 3-4 years tops, but then the briles "incident" happened. And I kind of felt he was gone after this year
Yep agree too!
What headset do you all use to record with?
Tedy damit man go be the damn kinebacker coach and give bv sum help lol
Help your alma mater and make some $$$
Before watching the video...
My first 2 calls would be to chip kelly and Dana holgersen
Let Big Joe & Coach V. Decide!!