All keyboards these days seem to be made by 60 year old Japanese suits who don't realize technology has improved since the 90s. They still screw us over with absurd storage space limitations (oh, you have a limit on how many 32kb presets I can save???), LCD screens from the 90s (Juno DS, Yamaha CK), unintuitive user interfaces, etc. This Juno D 2024 seems to be the best all-rounder for the money, but it's still 20 years behind in many respects.
Hadn’t thought of that. That’s a good point. I think a mini or 37 would naturally go up against the mpc 37 key which is a lot more capable from a Beatmaking / production standpoint. This DS unique selling point is that it can do a bit of that but also be used for gigs and such with the 61 or 88 key version
I’ve always been somewhat annoyed with Roland regurgitating storied product names and them slapping them onto uninspiring instruments, but this one is especially galling.
Imagine if other products did what Roland does with product names. `Hey, wanna come check out my new Lamborghini Diablo?` `Wow, awesome you got a supercar now?` `No, it´s the new Lamborghini Diablo, here have a taste.` `That´s just a piece of cheddar.` `I know! It´s the new Lmborghini Diablo. It´s a cheddar now!` `o..............k?"
Indeed. But I don't find Juno-D to be storied much, and people looking into this 2024 Zen-Core Juno-D are confusing it with the 2004 model of the same name, leading to confusion on specs and stuff that honestly amounts to Roland shooting themselves in the foot. I wonder how many keyboardists that might buy this model skipped it when they saw the lesser specs of the old model and did not know they saw the wrong info? Bloody brilliant.
Love that Roland are heavily promoting class compliant USB MIDI like it's a new thing and not like they've been ignoring it for years and doing their own thing. Ironic where they were part of defining the original MIDI spec.
Maybe they are promoting it because they had been ignoring it for years? They aren't claiming class-compliant USB audio is their own invention or sets their products apart from the competition.
but Juno-D does 7 with an insert per part, you can only use 3 inserts max with the DS, ignoring master reverb, delay, and EQ in both cases, arguably an advantage but to each his own, I'm sticking with my DS61
@@Jason75913 I'm a Roland head bro just got this keyboard 2 months ago it's the real deal to me honestly it's going to be slept on keyboard in my opinion
@@mrbeatzreloaded9833 No because Juno-DS was the top seller alongside the MODX, and this replaces it, so it will most likely also sell a lot. The competing Kross2 has more features but is less user friendly, doesn't sound as good with most sounds, and the keybed isn't as good, and then the Yamaha MX61/MX88 is just pointless junk next to the Juno unless you specifically want Cubase AI integration aside from standard entry-level rompler sounds (and it's a preset machine when not hooked-up to a PC, unlike the other two).
This is the 3rd Roland video I've seen from Namm that is putting me to sleep. They used to innovate, now they release the same rompler style keyboard over and over with very minor differences. Ed is a good dude though and very loyal to them, shout out Ed.
It is at least not a computer such as a PC. Roland (as Yamaha) use and create their own chips (BMC @ Roland). And like any modern industry where specific software development is involved, it's all about specialized hardware with standardized software.
Juno-D with half the layers and no sequencer quantization adjustability. The Axial expansions are free for DS owners and $20 a piece for the new Juno-D's userbase.
@leftmono1016 apologies if it came across as snarky. But for better or worse this is a modern equivalent. There are folks out there making modern analog gear that's similar to the old Junos in terms of sound and architecture, but they're niche products and relatively pricey (though the Dreadbox Nymphes isn't too bad on that front).
@@_mickmccarthy - no apology needed. I’m a fan of the old Roland analog synths. Behringer’s Pro800 fills my current needs for an analog polysynth. The Nymphes does sound nice too.
I don't think the dozen Juno romplers have much in common with that antique analogue besides being able to mimic it up to a point. All are lower-cost alternatives to more upscale Roland products.
Why does Roland always make half-baked cheap keyboard… what would it cost to have 8+1 faders, and 4x4 pads, a larger touchscreen display? It would maybe cost a $100 more but it would make the keyboard so much more usable, not just for beginners…
Nice going Roland, the answer to the question nobody asked, can we get more of those Juno's from the mid 2000's that just confused and upset people that were just generic uninspiring stage pianos for people on a budget. I love that you somehow combined a keyboard (not a synth) that made everyone mad and annoyed 20 years ago with your modern product that made everyone mad and annoyed, your horrendous buggy cloud. "I have mixed feelings about aftertouch", dude, get out of here... I literally can't think of another more disappointing product for you to resurrect, yet somehow I'm sure you will. Welcome to the Zen-Core era, enjoy the next 20 years of Roland instruments that simultaneously annoy you, remind you how great Roland once was, while making sure you know that they do not care, and will continue to make more bad redundant products for the rest of your life. Looking forward to that JP-8000D Stage Piano with Zen-Core cloud technology that self destructs when you don't pay your cloud bill, coming up soon I'm sure.
@@Jason75913 well , since you're jumping in to defend Roland in the comments....what do you have to say about only stereo outputs ? Seems very limiting for professional users.
@@zdave6083 since I'm not jumping in to shitpost in this thread, I have to say that you should consider that entry-level keyboards have only come with one set of stereo line outputs, or one mono, in one or more cases. The Korg X50 was mono.
This is why I like Roland stuff, coz they just sound fricking nice.
Shout out to Ed. I can't imagine how much hard work goes into demonstrating at a trade show like this.
Ed and Nick… two absolute legends!!!
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Love Ed, he taught me to use my RD88 piano, thanks to the YT official tutorial
Love to hear that the videos helped you!!! It means a lot!!! ❤
@@EdDiazKeys Thank you for the answer. Will you come in France this year? Hope I ll meet you one day..
What year is this ? The demonstrator is excited because you can plug it into a computer!!
All keyboards these days seem to be made by 60 year old Japanese suits who don't realize technology has improved since the 90s. They still screw us over with absurd storage space limitations (oh, you have a limit on how many 32kb presets I can save???), LCD screens from the 90s (Juno DS, Yamaha CK), unintuitive user interfaces, etc. This Juno D 2024 seems to be the best all-rounder for the money, but it's still 20 years behind in many respects.
love Ed 🎹
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A mini or 37 key version of this would be nice
Hadn’t thought of that. That’s a good point. I think a mini or 37 would naturally go up against the mpc 37 key which is a lot more capable from a Beatmaking / production standpoint. This DS unique selling point is that it can do a bit of that but also be used for gigs and such with the 61 or 88 key version
MC-101 + Keystep
I’ve always been somewhat annoyed with Roland regurgitating storied product names and them slapping them onto uninspiring instruments, but this one is especially galling.
Indeed, how dare they slap the name of their budget synth line on their budget synths!
Galling certainly made me laugh 😅
Yup, a major yawn... so so dull
Imagine if other products did what Roland does with product names. `Hey, wanna come check out my new Lamborghini Diablo?` `Wow, awesome you got a supercar now?` `No, it´s the new Lamborghini Diablo, here have a taste.` `That´s just a piece of cheddar.` `I know! It´s the new Lmborghini Diablo. It´s a cheddar now!` `o..............k?"
Indeed. But I don't find Juno-D to be storied much, and people looking into this 2024 Zen-Core Juno-D are confusing it with the 2004 model of the same name, leading to confusion on specs and stuff that honestly amounts to Roland shooting themselves in the foot. I wonder how many keyboardists that might buy this model skipped it when they saw the lesser specs of the old model and did not know they saw the wrong info?
Bloody brilliant.
Can SDZ and EXZ expansions be loaded on this the Juno D when subscribing to Roland Cloud, or can you only load purchased licensed expansions on to it?
Love that Roland are heavily promoting class compliant USB MIDI like it's a new thing and not like they've been ignoring it for years and doing their own thing. Ironic where they were part of defining the original MIDI spec.
Maybe they are promoting it because they had been ignoring it for years? They aren't claiming class-compliant USB audio is their own invention or sets their products apart from the competition.
Class compliant USB audio. So it is iOS compatible? Does it have an USB loopback off setting?
With the Juno DS you can layer 16 sounds instead of just 7. Why Roland?
but Juno-D does 7 with an insert per part, you can only use 3 inserts max with the DS, ignoring master reverb, delay, and EQ in both cases, arguably an advantage
but to each his own, I'm sticking with my DS61
Definitely looking forward to adding this, but I'm curious why it's been limited. to only 8 parts? Is there any technical reason behind that?
Weak CPU/RAM, presumably, or a forced limitation to tell you to move up to the Fantom-0
@@Jason75913 Presumably the latter.
@ More forced limitation I think, it’s a redesign board of the Juno-DS, but it’s got more power, that’s what I don’t understand.
Ed's cool
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Hi, great keyboard & demo but the specs shows only 64 notes of polyphony
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You are confusing the 2004 Juno-D with the 2024 Juno-D.
@@mrbeatzreloaded9833 Not in actual practice, users confirm. Roland's half truths may as well be whole lies.
@@Jason75913 I'm a Roland head bro just got this keyboard 2 months ago it's the real deal to me honestly it's going to be slept on keyboard in my opinion
@@mrbeatzreloaded9833 No because Juno-DS was the top seller alongside the MODX, and this replaces it, so it will most likely also sell a lot. The competing Kross2 has more features but is less user friendly, doesn't sound as good with most sounds, and the keybed isn't as good, and then the Yamaha MX61/MX88 is just pointless junk next to the Juno unless you specifically want Cubase AI integration aside from standard entry-level rompler sounds (and it's a preset machine when not hooked-up to a PC, unlike the other two).
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This is the 3rd Roland video I've seen from Namm that is putting me to sleep. They used to innovate, now they release the same rompler style keyboard over and over with very minor differences. Ed is a good dude though and very loyal to them, shout out Ed.
This one is extra special because it's environmentally friendly! 🤪😘😆😂
@@madness8556 Next thing you're gonna tell me is that it helps old ladies cross the street.
No interruption of the sound when you change patch/sound. Nice! Every manufacturer should do this. Access Music did it with the TI 20 years ago.
I wish more software synthesizers did that. But you're hurting my brain to think the TI was 20 years ago. That was the new model too.
@@MidnightBlueMetallic Yeah, age is coming in hard lol
Im pretty sure even the Ensoniq ESQ even did that.. VFX did...even the EPS sampler !
Korg did it with the Wavestation in 1989. Absolutely should be on every product
Yamaha does this on the Montage/Montage M
"like a laptop" i would like to see the internals, it probably runs on linux or qnx like a prophet x. it's a computer not a synth
It is at least not a computer such as a PC. Roland (as Yamaha) use and create their own chips (BMC @ Roland). And like any modern industry where specific software development is involved, it's all about specialized hardware with standardized software.
@@guillaumelebault1340 ok, i was just curious as sequential prophet x has a PC inside
@ Yes I know exactly what video you're referring to:)
Addicted to 1:46 #loop
Scene Remain - sounds like Korg Kronos.
6:13 wowzaaaaa 😂!
V-Stage is great, but the Juno is so non-specific. Good for educational purposes.
Watch all those Juno DS owners trading up their instruments for the newer Juno D because Roland are now being environmentally friendly! 😂😆😘🤪
Juno-D with half the layers and no sequencer quantization adjustability. The Axial expansions are free for DS owners and $20 a piece for the new Juno-D's userbase.
Roland doing what they do best: disappointing people
That's why the predecessor Juno-DS keyboard was the best seller alongside the Yamaha MODX?
This isn’t much like my old Juno 60 😔
Sure it is. It's a budget synth from Roland. That's what the Juno line always has been.
@ - haha yes, I begrudgingly see your point.
@leftmono1016 apologies if it came across as snarky. But for better or worse this is a modern equivalent. There are folks out there making modern analog gear that's similar to the old Junos in terms of sound and architecture, but they're niche products and relatively pricey (though the Dreadbox Nymphes isn't too bad on that front).
@@_mickmccarthy - no apology needed. I’m a fan of the old Roland analog synths.
Behringer’s Pro800 fills my current needs for an analog polysynth. The Nymphes does sound nice too.
I don't think the dozen Juno romplers have much in common with that antique analogue besides being able to mimic it up to a point. All are lower-cost alternatives to more upscale Roland products.
Why does Roland always make half-baked cheap keyboard… what would it cost to have 8+1 faders, and 4x4 pads, a larger touchscreen display? It would maybe cost a $100 more but it would make the keyboard so much more usable, not just for beginners…
Just get a Montage, Fantom, or Kronos, duh
I always switch off as soon as I hear the immensely irritating phrase “go ahead” liberally used
Nice going Roland, the answer to the question nobody asked, can we get more of those Juno's from the mid 2000's that just confused and upset people that were just generic uninspiring stage pianos for people on a budget. I love that you somehow combined a keyboard (not a synth) that made everyone mad and annoyed 20 years ago with your modern product that made everyone mad and annoyed, your horrendous buggy cloud. "I have mixed feelings about aftertouch", dude, get out of here... I literally can't think of another more disappointing product for you to resurrect, yet somehow I'm sure you will. Welcome to the Zen-Core era, enjoy the next 20 years of Roland instruments that simultaneously annoy you, remind you how great Roland once was, while making sure you know that they do not care, and will continue to make more bad redundant products for the rest of your life. Looking forward to that JP-8000D Stage Piano with Zen-Core cloud technology that self destructs when you don't pay your cloud bill, coming up soon I'm sure.
Okay, another flimsy keyboard that plays Zencore software.
minus the flimsiness
@@Jason75913 well , since you're jumping in to defend Roland in the comments....what do you have to say about only stereo outputs ? Seems very limiting for professional users.
@@zdave6083 since I'm not jumping in to shitpost in this thread, I have to say that you should consider that entry-level keyboards have only come with one set of stereo line outputs, or one mono, in one or more cases. The Korg X50 was mono.
Yet again!
Meh