Can you test compressors in future with raw noncompressed drum tracks? Or other raw dynamic stuff. That's the real life use and i think that's where you really hear how the compression will behave with transients
I believe that this design is based on Audioscape D-Comp, which is a reinvented schematics for the TG compressor. I have the D-Comp in the studio, and while it still sounds better than this plugin, Kive audio have definitely succeeded in modelling its cool character! Thank you for the video, great analysis.
I completely agree with your assessment of the plugin universe. All your plugins are different colours for your palette whilst you mix and you can combine any of them to create your own expression. Alternatively, you can buy plugins that combine the colours you already have into an easier to use package. This Kiive thing is a tube compressor with a specific EQ curve is all I am hearing. I can achieve similar results with the Parallel Compression preset on the IK Multimedia Brickwall Limiter. Same width expansion, same stereo separation at some interesting frequencies and a pretty good slam on low tom area. In any case, I love your channel. I learn stuff about audio from your ramblings and appreciate you work. Keep going!!!
It's like the compressor is feeling the track as opposed to just analysing the volume. Release does seem to dance a bit as well, wonder if it's a knee/sustain setting as opposed to a release setting. Wish there were a standalone real time A/B volume analyzer for plugins like this to really see the technical settings of the compression!
Regarding the last section of the video, talking about speed and efficiency, kinda reminds me how many mix engineers will use Rvox on their vocals. It might sound better to go into a comp and match it up with the vocal and get the settings right. Or you can get a great sound on Rvox by pulling like 2 faders. So this reminds me of that, slap it onto my drum bus and get that sweet vintage limiter sound with the flip of a switch.
Hmmm this is not really a review. You only touched Input+Output and not once Attack/Release (or anything else) of the presented plugin and spend most time fine tuning the sonible plugin. I like your channel for years now but from an informative aspect this video is one of the snake oil ones.
he's emulating the plug-in by changing the parameters of the Sonible as a reference to what the ADC1 is doing...as it was already achieving the desired effect...he reviews the controls at the beginning...it's geared for those who already know something about compressors so i don't see it as being that deficient
@@helisoma this is like telling me that if someone who knows about cars sees a video showcasing a car then the driver in the video does not need to bother to switch gears cause everyone knows what's going to happen. Lets agree to disagree.
@@saardean4481 if your here to tell people how to do their own thing, it's probably advisable you took time and went out on your own, instead of living around hoping everyone will do what you want or think..... Life will be mentally tough for you if you don't correct that attitude that's for sure, especially in a subjective opinionated creative world... Eg Who are you to tell anyone how to hold their paintbrush so settle yourself, sort your own channel and show everyone your own powers than critique others while doing nothing....
Kinda, but truth, I wanna know if they sound good. Seems like that’s what he is saying. It sounds great. Could care less about the color of the knobs or bla bla blah
I don' t really speak english, so maybe I can't get the humour... Does the screw in the plug-in really makes sense?? Or it's just a thing that this channel always jokes about?? sorry 4 the dumb question ahahaha
Great bro, Kiive Audio, very good company, their Distressor is the one that comes closest to the hardware under our experiments, you could try it! Curious that the big audio channels have not reviewed it yet... Cheers
A day late and a penny short: This compressor has a LOT more options for a resulting sound than Pulsar Smasher, which I also really like. The range of capability and tonalities available with this compressor are not covered. He went for a particular sound instance and found he could achieve it. That was all. The original compressors were obviously capable of quite a range of tonality as evidenced by recordings we've heard utilizing that original hardware compressor series.
As some others already have said- demoing a comp on tracks that are already heavily processed really makes no sense, the reason to use it, is to make unprocessed stuff sound good..
Standard metal washers will scratch the face-plate so not recommended, but it def needs to have standard rack screws which are pan head type with black nylon washers, that's what I have on all my 19" rack gear, then no worries. Plugin or not that's what it needs LOL ...
@@JTPiano2011 Then you did not use real rack screws which are Pan Head thus you cant see the washer as it does not stick out and is the exact size of the Pan head. Trust me I have a 6ft rack and I use only these screws they are black oxide finish with black matching nylon washers.
Something that allround compressors like Pro-C 2 or smart:comp don't replicate is the wonderfully authentic harmonic distortion and other nonlinearities that this plugin models :)
I think nearly none would be able to compare the original hardware for 5000 bugs with the digital plugin.. so it's extremely difficultly to decide, is it that real great like the original? I can really recommended the original RND Neve Portico 5043 Vst compressor.. It tops all other compression plugs for vocals drums.. etc..
This sounds better than the UAD Zener Limiter/Compressor (Which still sounds amazing), IMHO. And Kiive's Distressor sounds way better than UAD version. I compared them and it was obvious. Likely because UAD don't update their emulations (Many still sound great though). But this developer is using more modern code, and emulation development processes (UAD's are 8+ years old). I bet he wins awards for his plugins, especially given the intro prices. It's like plugins have gone from 90% sounding like analogue to 98% and many engineers could not tell the difference blind tests.
it's your point of view and I disagree, I tried both in different configuration when it cames out and the UAD is much more organic and alive, much deeper and bigger sharp sound. Not sure but I guess the Uad is the Softube one
@@Oleoproteus I compared the UAD Distressor to the Kiive one in this review, not Softube. Also. Softube don't make a Distressor. I think they work with Empirical Labs on a version of the Distressor called the Mike-E compressor. Maybe Softube did both UAD and their own version of the Distressor, but I've used both the Mike-£ and UAD Distressor and found the Mike-E to be less noisy. Yes, the UAD is deeper, but I disagree on sharpnees. The Mike-E is so expensive, and as far as I'm concerned the Kiive is just as good on the comrpession side (Maybe not so much on the saturation).
Best snake oil video "style" ever... in my humble opinion. Interesting (historic) facts, technics to use, comparison, boom.... the truth. Also I'm wondering why Sonible or Fabfilter don't use different characters or styles from famous hardwares as kind of "presets".
probably fabfilter nad sonible dont have a propper distortion-saturation-algorythm , hence multiple presets of a sound that isnt sounding "propper analogue is pointless". I mean Fabfilter has no distortion-saturation at all if not mistacken
That I would love to see a comparison of!! Softube makes some of the better emulations out there. The Trident A range was tested against the A range hardware channel stip with very little difference. Was pretty impressive! UAD made the next close version.
He is behind his work.. probably one month (at leas) due to redoing his studio... New studio is both looking good and sonicly very inspiring. Why don't you record while working on your clients Jobs, how you mix the drums, how you ingrave the bass into the song.👍
I've unsubscribed and here's the reason. Almost every video has 10% useful information, 80% is skippable and the other 10% is mandatory mentioning your independence. I was hoping you would grow out of mentioning screws etc. in every plugin where you have to rely on your ears and not the visual interface of every single plugin, and all the antics that follow along in every single video you do. It's not for me and it lacks in depth sharing your knowhow of plugins you review. It's very superficial and overly dramatic to a point where I had to say, enough. I'll be back in a few years and wish you well with this format. Thought I'd owe you an explanation because you're actually really knowledgeable, we just get to see very little of it. Good luck.
Results were not completely correct Because: you used a well colored and processed drum mix for plugin review. 🙏 Please use dry and raw material for reviews
The funniest part of your video is when you try to replicate the compressor ADC1 action and tone with your favorite GOTO plugin (Smartcomb) with no success. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA , It means you are amazed how the adc1 sound and try TO replicate it IN Smartkcomb hoping it will handle the sound source thesame - using ADC1 as a STANDARD REFERENCE.... BUT YOU DIDN'T GIVE ANY COMMENT How good it is - blows your FAVORITE COMP away LOOOOOLLL Smells FISHY HERE...
@@Six2Nine Bad thing. Negative connotation. The term "snake oil" is old. It means sham or conman product sold in a pretty bottle to gullible customers. ;)
Can you test compressors in future with raw noncompressed drum tracks? Or other raw dynamic stuff. That's the real life use and i think that's where you really hear how the compression will behave with transients
Kiive IMO is one of the best developer at the moment, and its auto gain probably the best. Also I think he codes for other companies.
Purafied Audio and Mixland to start with
The holes are countersunk so the screws are almost flush with the front panel so you don't scratch your screen accidentally. Just another feature 🙂
I like Kiive Audio plugins. They have an analog feel to them
Yes , have screws, is digital, sound digital.
Holy moly, what a sound on these drums! I really liked it!
I believe that this design is based on Audioscape D-Comp, which is a reinvented schematics for the TG compressor. I have the D-Comp in the studio, and while it still sounds better than this plugin, Kive audio have definitely succeeded in modelling its cool character! Thank you for the video, great analysis.
Should be washers under those screws to prevent the rack from being loose and possibly falling out.
I completely agree with your assessment of the plugin universe. All your plugins are different colours for your palette whilst you mix and you can combine any of them to create your own expression. Alternatively, you can buy plugins that combine the colours you already have into an easier to use package. This Kiive thing is a tube compressor with a specific EQ curve is all I am hearing. I can achieve similar results with the Parallel Compression preset on the IK Multimedia Brickwall Limiter. Same width expansion, same stereo separation at some interesting frequencies and a pretty good slam on low tom area. In any case, I love your channel. I learn stuff about audio from your ramblings and appreciate you work. Keep going!!!
It's like the compressor is feeling the track as opposed to just analysing the volume. Release does seem to dance a bit as well, wonder if it's a knee/sustain setting as opposed to a release setting.
Wish there were a standalone real time A/B volume analyzer for plugins like this to really see the technical settings of the compression!
The EMI TG12345 MK IV is an Abbey Road Studios recording console used in the creation of Pink Floyd‘s Dark Side of the Moon and numerous other albums.
Regarding the last section of the video, talking about speed and efficiency, kinda reminds me how many mix engineers will use Rvox on their vocals. It might sound better to go into a comp and match it up with the vocal and get the settings right. Or you can get a great sound on Rvox by pulling like 2 faders. So this reminds me of that, slap it onto my drum bus and get that sweet vintage limiter sound with the flip of a switch.
Your color comparison is spot on! :)
Hmmm this is not really a review. You only touched Input+Output and not once Attack/Release (or anything else) of the presented plugin and spend most time fine tuning the sonible plugin. I like your channel for years now but from an informative aspect this video is one of the snake oil ones.
Important note on the release curve, though.
he's emulating the plug-in by changing the parameters of the Sonible as a reference to what the ADC1 is doing...as it was already achieving the desired effect...he reviews the controls at the beginning...it's geared for those who already know something about compressors so i don't see it as being that deficient
@@helisoma this is like telling me that if someone who knows about cars sees a video showcasing a car then the driver in the video does not need to bother to switch gears cause everyone knows what's going to happen. Lets agree to disagree.
@@saardean4481 if your here to tell people how to do their own thing, it's probably advisable you took time and went out on your own, instead of living around hoping everyone will do what you want or think.....
Life will be mentally tough for you if you don't correct that attitude that's for sure, especially in a subjective opinionated creative world...
Eg Who are you to tell anyone how to hold their paintbrush
so settle yourself, sort your own channel and show everyone your own powers than critique others while doing nothing....
Kinda, but truth, I wanna know if they sound good. Seems like that’s what he is saying. It sounds great. Could care less about the color of the knobs or bla bla blah
They need to add some washers for the screws - They only cost a few cents at the hardware store.
It sounds good - You know what else sounds good on drums? Every compressor ever.
I don' t really speak english, so maybe I can't get the humour...
Does the screw in the plug-in really makes sense??
Or it's just a thing that this channel always jokes about??
sorry 4 the dumb question ahahaha
@@demob8630 Its a joke - Digital Screws are just pointless
Great bro, Kiive Audio, very good company, their Distressor is the one that comes closest to the hardware under our experiments, you could try it!
Curious that the big audio channels have not reviewed it yet...
Cheers
I second that.
I third that!
Great Smart Comp2 review
Can you do a review of their new Kiive NFuse? It's both the SSL Fusion & Neve MBT in one! Be interesting to hear your thoughts!
If you need a room mic or something smashed this looks like a pretty good option. I have Pulsar Smasher which does the job beautifully as well
A day late and a penny short: This compressor has a LOT more options for a resulting sound than Pulsar Smasher, which I also really like.
The range of capability and tonalities available with this compressor are not covered. He went for a particular sound instance and found he could achieve it. That was all.
The original compressors were obviously capable of quite a range of tonality as evidenced by recordings we've heard utilizing that original hardware compressor series.
The free Nuke from Kiive is amazing. Very generous.
As some others already have said- demoing a comp on tracks that are already heavily processed really makes no sense, the reason to use it, is to make unprocessed stuff sound good..
Standard metal washers will scratch the face-plate so not recommended, but it def needs to have standard rack screws which are pan head type with black nylon washers, that's what I have on all my 19" rack gear, then no worries. Plugin or not that's what it needs LOL ...
I put on the washers as suggested. But they are very distracting stuck to my monitor screen.😂
@@JTPiano2011 Then you did not use real rack screws which are Pan Head thus you cant see the washer as it does not stick out and is the exact size of the Pan head. Trust me I have a 6ft rack and I use only these screws they are black oxide finish with black matching nylon washers.
Something that allround compressors like Pro-C 2 or smart:comp don't replicate is the wonderfully authentic harmonic distortion and other nonlinearities that this plugin models :)
Would love to see a shoot out between the this plugin and the Softube’s version of the Chandler and the Acustica Audio version of the Chandler
7:40 DMG compassion takes these in a whole another level man too.
DMG doesn't get enough love. They're top shelf designs, for sure!
I think nearly none would be able to compare the original hardware for 5000 bugs with the digital plugin.. so it's extremely difficultly to decide, is it that real great like the original? I can really recommended the original RND Neve Portico 5043 Vst compressor.. It tops all other compression plugs for vocals drums.. etc..
The price though?! 😮 I’d rather buy the hardware
Very good company!!!!
Could you please do a review on the Warm audio eqp-wa
This sounds better than the UAD Zener Limiter/Compressor (Which still sounds amazing), IMHO. And Kiive's Distressor sounds way better than UAD version. I compared them and it was obvious. Likely because UAD don't update their emulations (Many still sound great though). But this developer is using more modern code, and emulation development processes (UAD's are 8+ years old). I bet he wins awards for his plugins, especially given the intro prices. It's like plugins have gone from 90% sounding like analogue to 98% and many engineers could not tell the difference blind tests.
it's your point of view and I disagree, I tried both in different configuration when it cames out and the UAD is much more organic and alive, much deeper and bigger sharp sound. Not sure but I guess the Uad is the Softube one
@@Oleoproteus Yeah, UAD and Softube's is the same code.
But Softube's has some extra options, like Gain Matching, A-Bing, preset managing.
@@Oleoproteus I compared the UAD Distressor to the Kiive one in this review, not Softube. Also. Softube don't make a Distressor. I think they work with Empirical Labs on a version of the Distressor called the Mike-E compressor. Maybe Softube did both UAD and their own version of the Distressor, but I've used both the Mike-£ and UAD Distressor and found the Mike-E to be less noisy. Yes, the UAD is deeper, but I disagree on sharpnees. The Mike-E is so expensive, and as far as I'm concerned the Kiive is just as good on the comrpession side (Maybe not so much on the saturation).
Great review, are you ever going to do a shadowhills mastering compressor review?
Best snake oil video "style" ever... in my humble opinion. Interesting (historic) facts, technics to use, comparison, boom.... the truth. Also I'm wondering why Sonible or Fabfilter don't use different characters or styles from famous hardwares as kind of "presets".
I liked the positivity as well. As for Sonible and FF, they're looking forward--not back. (But I'm sure they keep those old characters in mind.)
Fabfilter ProC2 does indeed have several different compressor profiles.
probably fabfilter nad sonible dont have a propper distortion-saturation-algorythm , hence multiple presets of a sound that isnt sounding "propper analogue is pointless".
I mean Fabfilter has no distortion-saturation at all if not mistacken
Sounds great! Thanks for the video
90% of the sound in a compressor is the detector, is how it thinks about it, it has very little to do with what the signal goes through.
How does it compare to the Softube version? :>
That I would love to see a comparison of!! Softube makes some of the better emulations out there. The Trident A range was tested against the A range hardware channel stip with very little difference. Was pretty impressive! UAD made the next close version.
Okay, it looks good... And after a rigorous review, not snake oil. Nice, but do I really need yet another compressor? LOL
It's the emulation of the Chandler Limited series
damn those drums ROCK!!!!
Imagine putting this in parallel and smash the living crap out of your drumbus. Love it. The Dynamite from Softube is great as well btw.
Hi have done a review or have a thought on the Warm Audio WA73-EQ Microphone Preamp with EQ
Thanks.
He is behind his work.. probably one month (at leas) due to redoing his studio... New studio is both looking good and sonicly very inspiring. Why don't you record while working on your clients Jobs, how you mix the drums, how you ingrave the bass into the song.👍
what color are you talking about? it simply smashes the sound
Is that Steve Gadd playing that sandstorm beat
So it's snakeoil or not?!
Screws: Thicker face plate with countersunk holes. :)
they are "dials" not buttons lol
dials turn, buttons push
I've unsubscribed and here's the reason. Almost every video has 10% useful information, 80% is skippable and the other 10% is mandatory mentioning your independence. I was hoping you would grow out of mentioning screws etc. in every plugin where you have to rely on your ears and not the visual interface of every single plugin, and all the antics that follow along in every single video you do. It's not for me and it lacks in depth sharing your knowhow of plugins you review. It's very superficial and overly dramatic to a point where I had to say, enough. I'll be back in a few years and wish you well with this format. Thought I'd owe you an explanation because you're actually really knowledgeable, we just get to see very little of it. Good luck.
I would love if you reviewed acustica audio and mike dean's gain station plugin. Would love some of your opinions on it
Results were not completely correct
Because: you used a well colored and processed drum mix for plugin review. 🙏 Please use dry and raw material for reviews
Go to the 3:36 mark to get to the actual content and past the babble.
So not snake oil?
Good to know, it has Brumm Brumm Verstärkung...(means Auto Gain).....😁👋👍
Dude please do a snake oil video of Tiger!
The screws are smaller than the hole. lol
Comment for da algorithm
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guy complaining about screws
The funniest part of your video is when you try to replicate the compressor ADC1 action and tone with your favorite GOTO plugin (Smartcomb) with no success. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA , It means you are amazed how the adc1 sound and try TO replicate it IN Smartkcomb hoping it will handle the sound source thesame - using ADC1 as a STANDARD REFERENCE.... BUT YOU DIDN'T GIVE ANY COMMENT How good it is - blows your FAVORITE COMP away LOOOOOLLL Smells FISHY HERE...
P11 snake oil 🙏
Hey gozert, please lose de nagellak, bedank me later maar 😉
No way
@@Whiteseastudio 🤣
The screw joke is getting old...
Jooooo wtf is snake oil?
squeeze a snake.
@@standarddisclaimer I'm not an animal abuser. Shit commin out is good or bad?
@@Six2Nine Tip: use a dead one. Just mix it all together. Voila, snake oil.
@@standarddisclaimer this means a good or bad thing?
@@Six2Nine Bad thing. Negative connotation. The term "snake oil" is old. It means sham or conman product sold in a pretty bottle to gullible customers. ;)
Yo Wytse! You have to check out FiDef JENtwo by MAAT. Snakeoil quality.