OK if Blizzard Force is focused around taking up to 4 Bikes and having an AT-ST instead of AT-AT maybe it should have been an Endor Battle Force. Maybe with a unit of Scout Troopers as core instead of having Snowtroopers.
Completely agreed, really not a huge fan of Blizzard Force from a thematic point of view. Seems like like they just mashed some poorly selling minis into one box and called it good.
I find these Battleforces utterly boring - they are not that much different to what you could already field using the standard rules. Well, a ballsy thing would be to allow canon-accurate forces which are impossible with the standard rules, like a Clan Wren Rebellion where you must field Sabine with the Darksaber as a commander, Clan Wren, and only Mandalorian Resistance plus one or two commanders and/or operatives, for example. They could also include a new unit card for a Mandalorian Resistance Strike team and one or two new heavies, and you still could build the force with the existing minis. I hope the next Battleforces are a bit like this - more daring and really new. That being said, I really love the concept of the Battleforces in general and I'm looking forward to what will come next.
I am glad that the buffs of these forces are weak, this is because another game I play has things very similar to battle forces, called “legendary legions” and their strong bonuses are making the game less and less diverse in list building, instead of each faction having multiple builds, each faction has one leagion that is built and played one way. It is much worse for the game. The way Star Wars Legion is doing it is great, they are taking lists that normally cannot be played in the regular game (either due to building requirements or not enough slots) and making them legal. The best use of these flinging Forward would be to make things like a Wookiee legion, which does not require core units, and has more special forces slots, which would allow an army of all Wookiees.
Lots of interesting developments with the battle forces. I agree regarding 4 speeder bikes for Blizzard Force, that seems more like something that should be in an Imperial battle force for the Battle of Endor, not Hoth.
I like the battle forces being weak, as I have seen another game loose list diversity due to its version of battle forces make each faction only have one type of list build. My hope for battle forces is to make niche lists that would normally not be legal in game-such as a wookie or mandalorian force- be playable.
Question? Courage of the Rebellion says "Issued an order using this card" doesn't that mean it will only work on two units? Cant wait to run a table full of B1s "Roger Roger" No super battle droids.... interesting...
That imperial 3 pip and then 1 pip would be such a great combo dealing out suppression and then forcing them to keep it. I think these will be super thematic which makes the game way more fun
I'm legitimately surprised at the Invasion Force, the original idea I assumed is that it'd be 0 commanders, compulsory field commander, possibly 3 heavies and a whole heap of droids
If I’m honest, these are really disappointing. With all of these restrictions on list building (the Separatist Invasion Force more so) there aren’t any major buffs and changes that, at least to me, make these worth playing with the list restrictions. Like why is Empire the only faction that gets an exclusive unit card? It doesn’t even fit in the list thematically
My thoughts as well. I feel that each force should have got a unique unit card that synergised with the command cards. Additionally, the command cards should be unique and creative, to justify playing with the rule restrictions.
Very dissapointed the 501st can't take Phase 1s. It just doesn't make sense and really sucks because I prefer phase 1s over phase 2s. Blizzard Force looks to be the overall the best. The command cards and new Stormtroopers look great
@@scelonferdi Yeah but then Echo shouldn't be there at that point. I just think it's a bad design choice to exclude Phase 1s. I only have Phase 1s in my collection so I can't play this battleforce which really sucks and not to mention my Rex and ARCs are modeled with Phase 1 helmets
@@andrewfrederick3375 Yeah, that kinda sucks for you. Never liked the mixing of phases and imho they should've rifle/line and assault/carbine squads, shipping everything with phase 1 and 2 head options. Anyway, let's just hope that there'll be a (second) battle of Geonosis Battleforce at some point, focusing strictly on phase 1 (and bringing some nice artillery support through command cards).
only being able to take two units of stormtroopers with blizzard force sucks. thats not worth all the other restrictions. they shouldve just allowed two units of stormtroopers to take a second heavy weapon regardless of being blizzard force or not. stormtroopers arnt exactly good.
Okay, what exactly is the separatist invasion supposed to be? Partially it feels very much based on the Trade Federation Invasion (focus on B1 and command card, Maul) and partially just on Separatist high command (Dooku, Greivous and Magna Guard). And also: What exactly are the Stormtroopers supposed to be doing in Blizzard Force?
I don't know, Dooku never invaded anything so he should not be part of an invasion force, the battle forces are supposed to represent a specific force that fought together, but the CIS one doesn't, as a droid player I feel cheaped out
Admittedly, I'm surprised by Dooku's inclusion in the list, but with Grievious it could have described the *second* invasion of Naboo as well, which WAS led by Grievous (and resulted in his capture by JarJar)
@@samuelhein8090 Dooku probably lead multiple assualts, not sure what you mean. There are many battles we did not see in star wars. We do see go to Dathomir though.
So far mostly interested in running Blizzard Force and Separatist Invasion, rather disappointed with Echo Base Defenders and can't run 501st until the box set comes out because I have yet to even see a phase II unit for sale anywhere
I find it interesting that the 501st doesn't have any operatives listed that you can take, but the list requirements for both a regular game and a skirmish mention the option to take an operative. Could this be leaving space for future Asoka or possibly the change in rank for Rex? Maybe make Clone Captain Rex into an operative and have a new mini or card for Clone Commander Rex as a commander? Just a thought. Great video enjoyed the break down.
Does it fit the theme for the Clones to not get an Operative? Has there been any clarification on the Droid battle force on the number of B-1 units in the box (description says 3, back of box says 4)?
Pizza is good! Nice overview of the battle forces. I like them, but I'm not sure I understand why they released them. Is it to provide an almost ready made list for specific scenarios (along with some special rules for the scenario)?
I'm really pissed at echo base defenders. Why would you give 4 boxes of rebel vets if you can only run 6 corps? Being able to field 8 corps would instantly make the box amazing.
I just rewatch the final season of The Clone Wars. Ther Captin Rex was promoted to Comander so he can go with Ahsoka to Mandelor to capture Maul. So o predict that the new version if Rez will be en operative and the coming Ahsoka will be a Commander and the version of her of the battle of Mandelor. May we get Bo Katan and the Night Owls as well.
I kinda have the feeling that the battle forces for most part are more thematic armies that are more newbie friendly. As much as it can be treated as a competitive game; I feel particularly the battle forces have been designed to allow people to make thematic sets without competitive consideration. Because so far I imagine the hardest thing is actually getting people into the game; 40k for example is an immense jugganaught to even remotely consider getting into and legion, while not as dense in models, is still a bit of a hike to get up to 800 points initially. I think I might end up picking up one of these (not sure which tbh. I'm still unsure which range I would want to paint all the time lol) to get a solid start to expand from. With the slight exception of the shadow collective of course; given that it doesn't exist as a faction outside that battle force. It's going to be interesting to see if that turns out to be any good.
Slight additional statement: I'm not necessarily saying that legion sets should be awful, but I kind of feel that Star Wars Legion is much more then a competitive system, it's the opportunity to mess around and build thematic sets. I kinda feel that being able to hook many more causal players will result in there being more invested players in the future, rather then one that merely cater's to efficacy. Let people figure out for themselves after buying the gateway starter set which way they want to go.
I don’t get it, when you run an aat tank with a t series tactical droid and 4 b1 units you can’t afford to take operative maul? That’s with everything naked as well. Am I missing something?
I'd have swapped the speeder bikes with E-Webs and made Veers the commander. Either that or swapped out the snow troopers for something else and made it an endor force. The snowtroopers are about the only thing that make it feel like Blizzard force lol. That being said the art is top notch.
Looks like everybody is gonna be playing this lists since they are not that closed. I thought they will be more strict considering they have new command cards that look powerfull
I don't like these rules. It's bad enough the core rules are such a mess, now you add even more complexity. Just have one polished, and I mean no half ass let's add the new rules to the back, rule set.
These are interesting. I'm not sure if I'll do anything with the Echo Base Defenders (as I run Rebels and droids), but the Seperatist Invasion really got me thinking. I've been running E-5Cs, PK droids, and an OOM droid with HQ Uplink for a while, and this just gives me an excuse to add two more squads. I've got a T-Series, 8 B-1, and AAT list speced out, and am looking forward to running it in my next game.
I think having a DLT/HH12 combo isn’t a bad option, sit in the back line throwing 2R 3B impact 4, precise 1 and 3W at R3 is an ATST dice pool for 74points… I think Blizzard force is quite fun and interesting, The new cards are all solid and have a place in the army. The 3 pip if you ignore spur giving your weapons suppression is huge, the stormtroopers split firing DLT, RT97c and E11 can lay down a tonne of suppression. Spur is great on snowtroopers if running commander Vader
@@adamkrajco1920 Not really. You should be at range 4+ turn 1 or kinda turn 2, but it’s post activation so you can move them out of the way. Ideally you want to do this on Veers or an Officer as they have sharpshooter 1. With beam only the first attack has to be in the correct range category anyway!
The new droid 3 pip could be very powerful for turn 5 or 6 for something like key positions or intercept. The whole strategy of double aat was hiding the B1 horde till the end to just swarm the objectives, and this could be a big help with that
I was really disappointed with the droid battleforce. I was expecting a way to get droidekkas orders or an alternative droidekka card. They are still to order hungry as is. I am less than impressed with the command cards. I think empire has the best battleforce the rest are okay but not anything really crazy.
All four of them have something weird that really detracts from things for me. Whether it's the command cards, the unit restrictions, or the Force Org limitations, none of them get me super excited like I was hoping for.
There are a lot of fun combinations with double heavy weapons, having that damage output hidden behind red defense dice gives a lot of utility. You can even split-fire 3 ways and suppress all of your opponent's core units in one round of shooting
OK if Blizzard Force is focused around taking up to 4 Bikes and having an AT-ST instead of AT-AT maybe it should have been an Endor Battle Force. Maybe with a unit of Scout Troopers as core instead of having Snowtroopers.
Completely agreed, really not a huge fan of Blizzard Force from a thematic point of view. Seems like like they just mashed some poorly selling minis into one box and called it good.
Totally agree, I'd also have liked it if the stormtroopers were "First Legion" instead of "Heavy Response"
I find these Battleforces utterly boring - they are not that much different to what you could already field using the standard rules. Well, a ballsy thing would be to allow canon-accurate forces which are impossible with the standard rules, like a Clan Wren Rebellion where you must field Sabine with the Darksaber as a commander, Clan Wren, and only Mandalorian Resistance plus one or two commanders and/or operatives, for example. They could also include a new unit card for a Mandalorian Resistance Strike team and one or two new heavies, and you still could build the force with the existing minis. I hope the next Battleforces are a bit like this - more daring and really new. That being said, I really love the concept of the Battleforces in general and I'm looking forward to what will come next.
I too am hoping for battle forces to make illegal things playable!
Especially want to see all wookie and all mandalorian armies!
I am glad that the buffs of these forces are weak, this is because another game I play has things very similar to battle forces, called “legendary legions” and their strong bonuses are making the game less and less diverse in list building, instead of each faction having multiple builds, each faction has one leagion that is built and played one way. It is much worse for the game.
The way Star Wars Legion is doing it is great, they are taking lists that normally cannot be played in the regular game (either due to building requirements or not enough slots) and making them legal.
The best use of these flinging Forward would be to make things like a Wookiee legion, which does not require core units, and has more special forces slots, which would allow an army of all Wookiees.
Lots of interesting developments with the battle forces. I agree regarding 4 speeder bikes for Blizzard Force, that seems more like something that should be in an Imperial battle force for the Battle of Endor, not Hoth.
Not overly impressed with any of them, was hoping for some new rules or buffs for use with the battle forces to make up for the limitations
The command cards are pretty good.
I like the battle forces being weak, as I have seen another game loose list diversity due to its version of battle forces make each faction only have one type of list build.
My hope for battle forces is to make niche lists that would normally not be legal in game-such as a wookie or mandalorian force- be playable.
If i wanted to play 40k, i'd go back to 40k....
Wish they would bring out Ahsoka Tano, so we could have 212th, 501st & 332nd
Question? Courage of the Rebellion says "Issued an order using this card" doesn't that mean it will only work on two units? Cant wait to run a table full of B1s "Roger Roger" No super battle droids.... interesting...
That imperial 3 pip and then 1 pip would be such a great combo dealing out suppression and then forcing them to keep it. I think these will be super thematic which makes the game way more fun
I'm legitimately surprised at the Invasion Force, the original idea I assumed is that it'd be 0 commanders, compulsory field commander, possibly 3 heavies and a whole heap of droids
If I’m honest, these are really disappointing. With all of these restrictions on list building (the Separatist Invasion Force more so) there aren’t any major buffs and changes that, at least to me, make these worth playing with the list restrictions. Like why is Empire the only faction that gets an exclusive unit card? It doesn’t even fit in the list thematically
My thoughts as well. I feel that each force should have got a unique unit card that synergised with the command cards. Additionally, the command cards should be unique and creative, to justify playing with the rule restrictions.
Good pack however they need to have a card pack for those of us that already have the units.
You’re allowed to print the cards and run them, won’t be on the nice cardstock but it’ll be tournament legal
Cool I'm sort of a completis
Very dissapointed the 501st can't take Phase 1s. It just doesn't make sense and really sucks because I prefer phase 1s over phase 2s. Blizzard Force looks to be the overall the best. The command cards and new Stormtroopers look great
I think 501st is supposed to be more loreful late war. If phase 1 and 2 fought side by side at any point, it can't have been for long.
@@scelonferdi Yeah but then Echo shouldn't be there at that point. I just think it's a bad design choice to exclude Phase 1s. I only have Phase 1s in my collection so I can't play this battleforce which really sucks and not to mention my Rex and ARCs are modeled with Phase 1 helmets
@@andrewfrederick3375 Yeah, that kinda sucks for you. Never liked the mixing of phases and imho they should've rifle/line and assault/carbine squads, shipping everything with phase 1 and 2 head options. Anyway, let's just hope that there'll be a (second) battle of Geonosis Battleforce at some point, focusing strictly on phase 1 (and bringing some nice artillery support through command cards).
only being able to take two units of stormtroopers with blizzard force sucks. thats not worth all the other restrictions. they shouldve just allowed two units of stormtroopers to take a second heavy weapon regardless of being blizzard force or not. stormtroopers arnt exactly good.
Maybe First Order and Resistance as Empire/Rebel battleforce?
The new storm trooper looked interesting. I had written off the 501st and Blizzard Force but I’m starting to rethink Blizzard Force.
Do battle forces sets come with basic tools and die you would find in the core set?
Okay, what exactly is the separatist invasion supposed to be? Partially it feels very much based on the Trade Federation Invasion (focus on B1 and command card, Maul) and partially just on Separatist high command (Dooku, Greivous and Magna Guard).
And also: What exactly are the Stormtroopers supposed to be doing in Blizzard Force?
I don't know, Dooku never invaded anything so he should not be part of an invasion force, the battle forces are supposed to represent a specific force that fought together, but the CIS one doesn't, as a droid player I feel cheaped out
Admittedly, I'm surprised by Dooku's inclusion in the list, but with Grievious it could have described the *second* invasion of Naboo as well, which WAS led by Grievous (and resulted in his capture by JarJar)
@@samuelhein8090 Dooku probably lead multiple assualts, not sure what you mean. There are many battles we did not see in star wars. We do see go to Dathomir though.
So far mostly interested in running Blizzard Force and Separatist Invasion, rather disappointed with Echo Base Defenders and can't run 501st until the box set comes out because I have yet to even see a phase II unit for sale anywhere
Phase II can be seen online pretty reliably
They kind of all seem like the limitations outweigh the benefits.
I find it interesting that the 501st doesn't have any operatives listed that you can take, but the list requirements for both a regular game and a skirmish mention the option to take an operative. Could this be leaving space for future Asoka or possibly the change in rank for Rex? Maybe make Clone Captain Rex into an operative and have a new mini or card for Clone Commander Rex as a commander? Just a thought. Great video enjoyed the break down.
Does it fit the theme for the Clones to not get an Operative?
Has there been any clarification on the Droid battle force on the number of B-1 units in the box (description says 3, back of box says 4)?
Pizza is good! Nice overview of the battle forces. I like them, but I'm not sure I understand why they released them. Is it to provide an almost ready made list for specific scenarios (along with some special rules for the scenario)?
We need clone commandos...
I think the seperatist invasion force lacks the same theme of the others, but it is cool nonetheless
I'm really pissed at echo base defenders. Why would you give 4 boxes of rebel vets if you can only run 6 corps? Being able to field 8 corps would instantly make the box amazing.
I just rewatch the final season of The Clone Wars. Ther Captin Rex was promoted to Comander so he can go with Ahsoka to Mandelor to capture Maul. So o predict that the new version if Rez will be en operative and the coming Ahsoka will be a Commander and the version of her of the battle of Mandelor. May we get Bo Katan and the Night Owls as well.
Brizzured Ferse iz amurzurng!
-Swedish Chef probably
I kinda have the feeling that the battle forces for most part are more thematic armies that are more newbie friendly. As much as it can be treated as a competitive game; I feel particularly the battle forces have been designed to allow people to make thematic sets without competitive consideration. Because so far I imagine the hardest thing is actually getting people into the game; 40k for example is an immense jugganaught to even remotely consider getting into and legion, while not as dense in models, is still a bit of a hike to get up to 800 points initially. I think I might end up picking up one of these (not sure which tbh. I'm still unsure which range I would want to paint all the time lol) to get a solid start to expand from.
With the slight exception of the shadow collective of course; given that it doesn't exist as a faction outside that battle force. It's going to be interesting to see if that turns out to be any good.
Slight additional statement: I'm not necessarily saying that legion sets should be awful, but I kind of feel that Star Wars Legion is much more then a competitive system, it's the opportunity to mess around and build thematic sets. I kinda feel that being able to hook many more causal players will result in there being more invested players in the future, rather then one that merely cater's to efficacy. Let people figure out for themselves after buying the gateway starter set which way they want to go.
I don’t get it, when you run an aat tank with a t series tactical droid and 4 b1 units you can’t afford to take operative maul? That’s with everything naked as well. Am I missing something?
I'd have swapped the speeder bikes with E-Webs and made Veers the commander. Either that or swapped out the snow troopers for something else and made it an endor force. The snowtroopers are about the only thing that make it feel like Blizzard force lol. That being said the art is top notch.
Looks like everybody is gonna be playing this lists since they are not that closed. I thought they will be more strict considering they have new command cards that look powerfull
That stormtrooper unit is only 3 models before adding the heavies. I guess that’s why it’s so cheap.
I am still going to get the 501st. I will probably pass on the others. Well at least for a while! But they wont get my money right away lol
I don't like these rules. It's bad enough the core rules are such a mess, now you add even more complexity. Just have one polished, and I mean no half ass let's add the new rules to the back, rule set.
New to Legion found your channel by chance while looking at pictures of minis, great conent, will be watching new and old!
As a GAR player I thought this would help but it just feels like more disappointment
I’m afraid that I do not understand what a strike team or battle force is. Is a battle force a small skirmish team with skirmish rules for quick play?
Just getting into Star Wars Legion myself, coming from Warhammer: Age of Sigmar.
So with the blizz force, as it stands now, it allows you to use both the heavy response storms and the vanilla ones, or am I mistaken?
Enjoying your videos. Been debating on which tabletop game to get into.
Can you do a batrep tourney? With all four battle forces using just what’s in the box to see which is best.
Echo base defenders plus 2 boxes of clan wren and sabine looks to be enough to make myself a mando heavy list.
So is the battle forces separate from the base game or can i play battle force with a standard deck? Im just confused on what it is.
Not to jump all over AMG, but weren’t we supposed to have a new web site by now? What happened to that?
I'm exited that the rebels and the empire ones have 4 of the support turrets as options. I can go full meme.
The only thing better than Veers + triple bikes is Veers + quadruple bikes
So you can't take special forces in echo base defenders and blizzard force?
Let’s face it, you were expecting an extra heavy because Imperial Doctrine calls for overwhelming force
I'm looking forward to Blizzard force!
4 Speeder Bikes in Blizzard definitely needs to be tried, for the lolz, if nothing else
Least favorite, ugh. I preordered it already. Woe is me
Those tokens look great. Told my FLGS.
i feal bad for the GAR maines they got the very short end of the stick
I just like the 501st seems like a good way to buy in
Will probably never run a battle force....
What days is mini stravaganza next week?
i for one welcome our new Battleforce Overlords!
It seems I chose a great time to start my SW Legion journey. As soon as I get my first box, BOOM! New stuff!
It’s an amazing game. A lot of new stuff coming out. The game is very healthy.
Mmmm what just happened to xwing and armada on Reddit…….. there gone 😳
Xwing and armada are done 😮
Clone points reduction incoming
These are interesting. I'm not sure if I'll do anything with the Echo Base Defenders (as I run Rebels and droids), but the Seperatist Invasion really got me thinking. I've been running E-5Cs, PK droids, and an OOM droid with HQ Uplink for a while, and this just gives me an excuse to add two more squads. I've got a T-Series, 8 B-1, and AAT list speced out, and am looking forward to running it in my next game.
Would prefer if you didn’t skip over Skirmish! It’s a great format!
Lightsaber go vroom vroom
Sad you can't run Hask with Snowtroopers with Blizzard Force, the Heavy Response Stormtroopers look good though
I think having a DLT/HH12 combo isn’t a bad option, sit in the back line throwing 2R 3B impact 4, precise 1 and 3W at R3 is an ATST dice pool for 74points…
I think Blizzard force is quite fun and interesting, The new cards are all solid and have a place in the army.
The 3 pip if you ignore spur giving your weapons suppression is huge, the stormtroopers split firing DLT, RT97c and E11 can lay down a tonne of suppression.
Spur is great on snowtroopers if running commander Vader
I like lightsabers
I have a question about the overwhelming barrage card, from what point do you measure the range? Is it as if the commander was using the weapon?
Yep!
@@craiglawrence5978 Isn't it hard to have a unit more than range 4 from you?
@@adamkrajco1920 Not really. You should be at range 4+ turn 1 or kinda turn 2, but it’s post activation so you can move them out of the way. Ideally you want to do this on Veers or an Officer as they have sharpshooter 1. With beam only the first attack has to be in the correct range category anyway!
Not sure how I feel about the Battle Forces yet, still processing. Off-hand not overly impressed.
The new droid 3 pip could be very powerful for turn 5 or 6 for something like key positions or intercept. The whole strategy of double aat was hiding the B1 horde till the end to just swarm the objectives, and this could be a big help with that
I haven’t been really into Legion recently, but I may jump back in with that 501st and Separatist Invasion pack
I was really disappointed with the droid battleforce. I was expecting a way to get droidekkas orders or an alternative droidekka card. They are still to order hungry as is. I am less than impressed with the command cards.
I think empire has the best battleforce the rest are okay but not anything really crazy.
I'm not sure about how the battle forces will play, but I am interested in picking up a 501st box to get started with Republic
All four of them have something weird that really detracts from things for me. Whether it's the command cards, the unit restrictions, or the Force Org limitations, none of them get me super excited like I was hoping for.
Was going to buy into Legion or Armada. Chose Armada. But 1 day may join the legion
Great insight
Really looking forward to the Separatist Invasion Force
Was excited for 501st and hoping for unit buff. As of now not so sure.
Looks like there are some updates that are needed with some of these rules/cards. I love that this a thing they can do now, some great cards here!
Engagement!
Would it be best to wait for these to drop to get into any one of these factions? Especially for a new to legion player?
I wish each battle force had a little more flavor, but still excited about them though.
Looking forward to getting the echo base defenders box as a new player to the game
Can hq uplink give orders to heavys?
dooku was part of the droid invasion. He took anakin out to swap for general grevious
These are all nifty theme lists, but I dont see them being run often.
I can’t wait for the clone war battle boxes to drop
Awesome to see them going in this direction, can't wait for the future!
These battleforces are looking fantastic!
I dunno, we will see I guess, how it plays.
I don’t really know how I feel about the battle forces yet but the new unit of stormtroopers is very interesting
There are a lot of fun combinations with double heavy weapons, having that damage output hidden behind red defense dice gives a lot of utility. You can even split-fire 3 ways and suppress all of your opponent's core units in one round of shooting
#QuadBikes4Life
Can the Lightsaber ship to UK ?
Hoping for less Disney and more Star Wars
Such a shame they haven’t given expansion cards for different battalions. I want rules for 212th :(