I thought the 2006 with stock pickups sounded alright, but once you started playing the 58 I noticed that the guitar has more sustain, more dynamics, better transients and does not compress as much. There is better note separation too. The pickups play a big part in the tone, but a guitar is a "system", everything has to align properly in order to create a killer axe. That Vox is also part of the system. The combination is awesome.
I have no issues with Burstbuckers and think they sound fantastic, IF the guitar it's in already has a nice, resonant sound, it's set up properly and the player and amp aren't garbage. That said, Tom Doyle hit the nail on the head that creating a pickup is all about the end result: THE SOUND. Which is why companies like DiMarzio are popular with people who do not require "perfect vintage replicas" but want a particular sound, even if the pickup is 17k and has a brass baseplate and an undersized magnet disigned to not touch the poles, like their "Airbuckers". One of my favorite humbuckers is the "Air Zone" which is more than double the resistance of a PAF but still has a fantastic dynamic range but can push an amp hard if you pick hard. It's all about SOUND and FEEL, not specs.
Gibson stopped using brass posts and thumbwheels on their "ABR1" bridges and went to steel at some point. As strange as it seems, it matters. They also were using cheap zinc tail pieces as well. So upgrading those two things actually can make a difference in terms of tone.
@@srh361 Oh sure, for example please watch I Made A Mistake Buying A Gibson Custom Shop R0 Guitar on Philip McKnight's channel 1) Custom Shop Guitar cost him around $7000 2) Upon onboxing, the silver volume cap was missing on one of the knobs. 3) There was a 1" scratch UNDER the clearcoat in the finish. Viewing a full guitar shot of the back, the scratch in the neck is clearly visible. That is how brazenly bad QC at Gibson is. 4) The fretboard edges wasnt rolled/rounded, and the frets ate into his hands. 5) The action was high and because of the seemingly too-low neck angle and slightly higher pickup rings, The action could not be lowered. He mentions it was barely playable. THIS is for $7000 Custom Shop guitar NEW.
Hello all… and thanks for watching. Doyle Coils TRU-CLONES PAF Humbuckers is now offering a Special $50 Discount Off for our TRU-CLONES and the Complete Combo Pack - Point your browser to our new shopping cart system at www.tru-clones.com/shop and use PROMO CODE: DougPatShow - it has to be entered exactly as you see it here during check out and we’ll knock $50 bucks off for all you Doug and Pat Show viewers! As Les would always say “Keep on Pickin’”
I suck at Sheetrock/spackling, so I threw a quilt up on the wall. I never met Les Paul, but my Dad brought me to see him play at the Iridium in Manhattan. Tom Doyle rebuilt my Jackson Dinky, when I was in high school. I grew up with his son. So cool going in his shop. He had Les Paul's original 8 track in the corner.
That's three times I've listened closely to this now, and I have to say, that Oscar is the finest sounding guitar I've ever had the pleasure of listening to. But that stock 2006 R7 comes DAMN close.
I am definitely a day behind here, vacation time, welcome back again, I always look forward to it and yet again great. I love the sheet rock reference, lol.
I look forward to the shows so much. I have a set of Doyle Coils, along with the wiring harness in a 2008 Les Paul Standard. What a difference they made. As I'm sure everyone can hear in this terrific video, they make my Les Paul saying. Such clarity! Keep it up boys! Tom
i put Toms 50s real BumbleBee wiring harness in my 95 classic along with some Dimarzio 36s anniversary pups and have to say the damn thing sounds as good if not better then my two stock customs ,, one has 57s and the other stock custombuckers ,, was pleasantly surprised so much so ill be putting the complete set harness and pups into my new 96 standard
IMHO, the epitome of classic PAF humbucker sounds is the intro and outro instrumental theme song from this channel. It doesn't get any better than this fantastic sound!
Great to see you back fellas great shows always look forward to them , I get pinged asap you upload sad I know but you guys are better than any TV show
Just an idea for your A-B tests: While I realize that the show is about capturing that vintage tone could you guys play these rigs through more everyday amplifiers (Fender Hot Rod Deville and the like) and then A-B them against the vintage amps like your AC10, etc.? I get that you're typically trying to isolate for one or two specific variables but most people aren't playing through 50 year-old amplifiers and I think it would be eye-opening to hear how pickups like these Tru-Clones sounded through a more common amp. Just my .02. Love the show guys.
The general rule is this. new VS old a new Lp of comparable issue will get you 90% of the way to a late 50/ early 60s, As is basically the same with amps of Comparable models.
I wish you guys would do an in-depth video of the 59 burst. like up close shots of it and all that jazz. Wish there were more videos out there showing close up details of 58-60 bursts. Maybe you guys have already done that, if so I'm sorry for over looking. Love you cats! I'm a new subscriber. Best channel ever!
I have a pair of early Tom Doyle 'rails' humbuckers in a guitar. The controls and wiring harness (volume, tone, and a rotary pickup selector switch) are all Doyle-made. No idea what year these are from; the coils are encased in a plastic box a la EMG and have 'T. W. Doyle' heat stamped between the blades.
My friend (now 80 yrs old), purchased the very 'Mary Ford' Les Paul Model used, from Manny's Music Store on 48th St in NYC in the late 1950s or early 1960s. Prior to him selling it to a famous guitar dealer in NYC, only he and a few close friends were aware of its existence. Once it surfaced I am told Gibson borrowed and copied it for a limited edition. As far as I know, there was no official 'Mary Ford' designation, yet that is how it was referred to even way back when.
yep, at 44:20 Doug reaches thru a time portal and picks up the mug from last week. Or is it just a reflection or do I have aixelsid? Great show guys! Always interesting stuff.
Yeah, we did a little Einstein thing there bending space and time and not destroying the Universe so that's pretty cool. Probably won't do it again though. D&P
Seems to me that the Doyle pups and harness was darker overall, but interestingly sounded more 'complex' with the tone rolled off fully. The stock R7 sounded pretty good too.
Is it just me or do the Doyle Coils reduce the sustain pretty noticeably? They sound pretty good especially with the harness, but lack just that little bit of oomph maybe.
The Doug and Pat Show Many thanks for the reply! I use them as well for my Fender guitars. Great stings, and I absolutely love your tone, regardless of which guitar you're using. That said, Oscar is on another level, altogether.
hello again, i thought it was interesting that how high the moon was recorded in the first week of jan.1951 the les paul guitar was debuted at the namm show in june 1952 evidently it went through a lot of prototypes to arrive at the 1952 gold top. les paul was playing and changing the instrument until the release in june 1952.
Les used his #1 “Clunker,” to record “How High The Moon” and all other Les Paul and Mary Ford hits (36 hits in total) from the late 1940s and early ’50s… and NOT a Gibson Les Paul guitar. Les had told Gibson that he would play his clunkers until Gibson came up with a guitar that sounded better. Gibson did ultimately produce its first solid body, which did rival the sound of the clunker. In the 1940s, Gibson even offered Les any guitar he wanted - including a gold plated L-5, but Les wanted a great-sounding solid body, and Gibson refused to give him one. Then in 1952 Gibson and Les Paul were finally able to agree on what would then become the solid body Gold Top that Les would endorse and put his name on. So in short, those songs were not recorded in any way whatsoever with what we now know as a Gibson Les Paul guitar… Gold Top or otherwise.
how high the moon was recorded in, jan1951 the guitar is a solid body les paul type guitar (in the film)but modified ,but a solid body none the less,so evidently gibson gave in and les used a solid body guitar as you stated.
it's just so hard to pin down... I have two of the much maligned 1970's Gibsons ( LP Specials) with p90's --- that just sound spectacular despite their heritage I have not cared for BB's, but that guitar "had it" R-8, was it ..??
I red somwhere that Brian Robson (former Thin Lizzy) have one vintage black Les Paul that is chamberd. It was supposed to belong to Mary Ford coz she didn't like those heavy guitars.
Good question. It's because the changes done to Gibson guitars were not like cars, there were no model years as such so the humbuckings showed up sometime in 1957 and the sunburst finish later in 1958 so there are both gold tops and sunburst Les Pauls in 1958. A cool web site is Burstserial (dotcom) which shows LP's by serial number with pictures so that you can see the chronological progression of the finish change. D&P
Oscar, just has that fatness, and compression. But still that clear bite. Age must have something to do with it. All the real vintage 1957-1960 PAF's I've heard seem to have this, some in different degree.
people keep talking about scatter wind in relation to PAFS but they were machine wound on a Leesona 102 coil winding machine. So why are so many boutique snake oil guys hand scatter winding?
I have a R7 just like Pats. Could you help me please ? Can you tell me what available pickups sound close to the original pickups of the time please ? ( Like Oscar's ) I need your real knowledge and experience.
Does anybody know how Steve Bradley is doing since his heart attack. One of Portland Best Guitar players, long time partner with Jim Messie, Robbie Laws, and Turtle VanDameyer. Thanks Guys another great show. Always wanted to know about these pickups , they seem to be pricey.
Great show as always. A question first. What are your thoughts/opinions on treble bleed circuits on humbucker pickups. I installed a wiring harness with the bleed (resistor and cap) circuit on my Heritage H555, along with a new SD Antiquity Neck pick up. I'm not convinced that I did the right thing with the treble bleed. Does it effect the overall tone more than just retaining the highs when at lower volume? Now my comment; I find it ironic the you guys host the "Doug and Pat Show".....and your names are Doug and Pat, what are the odds?
Yeah we were a little baffled at first as to what to call it, then the fighting and backstabbing started so it became clear: The Doug and Pat Show. D&P
What about the Treble bleed circuit, it supposed to just retain the highs when the guitar volume is below 10. I’m just wondering what your thoughts are on these circuits, and if they alter the sound. I guess just your overall opinion on them.
Oscar probably has much less hot PAFs probably in the 7 to 7.5 ohm range white the RI is probably close to 8.5 and 9 and could be a different magnet type, the Doyle coils come close to the PAFs but dont quite have the bloom and clarity imo
Hi great to see you again. Now tone can be a pretty subjective thing. When you played the R7 I thought it sounded great with the Burstbuckers. So when you plugged in Oscar I thought "well here we go" usually it's like night and day when you do this but it was not. I think a culture has grown up where spending lots on pickups, and I am guilty of this too, is the answer to your tone problems when a lot of the time it probably is not. I thought the Burstbuckers had a tad more midrange. OK sorry, don't ban me!
So correct-sound IS subjective so there is no wrong answer. When we were talking to Bonamassa he said that the difference between a good sound and a great sound is only about 5% and he wants that extra 5%. If we could pick a spot with the Doyles demo that we hear the 5% it would be the high note flurry starting at 38:30 and ending with the sustained note at 38:36 that starts to change tone and for the better. The stock R7 could not do that from what we heard. That's the difference that makes Doug want to play for an hour. D&P
Tim Lilly In my experience it takes time, hours of listening, to catch slight differences in tone. Of course youtube, the video/audio compression, doesn't help. I know it's silly, but that's why tone "snobs" are rarely below a certain age. Disclaimer: I don't mean snobs in a bad way. It's just easier to type than connossieurs (not even sure I spelled it right).
Haha you were close.. it's connoisseur(s). The only reason I know is because, coincidentally, I looked up the correct spelling of that word a few days ago. Cheers jo sg 👍
So I've finally got home and have watched this on the big screen with the Bose sound system. Yes, the reissue Goldtop seems to run out of puff further up the neck with the Burstbuckers. But also if it's 5% different is that worth the price tag for an original?
Agree seems every nuance is debatable now.I think a lot of the tone is generated as you know by a great tube amp.Lots of boutique amps today....it’s almost overkill with how many products you can choose from and who makes the closest to a “real PAF”.....so many variables.Just plug in a good Les Paul into a good tube amp.I know from personal experience in a band mix a lot of micro analyzing goes out the window.
You guys should interview Jim Wagner of Jim Wagner pickups! He makes the best sounding humbuckers I ever played! You should buy a set and put them in Oscar!
Actually most of our tested pickups sound very PAF but only a few approach Oscar and we don't know why. You can always drop us a line at our email address> thedougandpatshow@gmail.com for further discussion. D&P
Oddley enough i liked the Doyle coils with the stock wireing. The doyle wireing sounded muffuley and if i was a betting man i would say the diyle wireing in done in modern style, probabley wrong thats why im not a betting man.haha
Gee, how about a mention for loaning you that first set last year that you used in a show(?). Guess not eh... Great show and comparison between Oscar and that R-7! The Doyle's were a big improvement. What pickups were stock on the R-7? Burstbuckers or Custombuckers? Sounded more like "Shitebuckers".....yuck, yuck... Don Butler..
Yeah about that Don...we feel kind of bad but then we got to talking and now we're wondering what else you might have around your house we could use. And we'd mention you and everything. D&P
Enjoyable video for sure but to actually compare you would have to try all the components being tested in ONE guitar otherwise it's kinda pointless xcept for entertainment value, plus utube kinda makes everything sound the same. Your 58 is a great guitar but there is no PAF tone as there were so many variables in those old pickups. Not trying to depress everyone but it drives me nut's when I see a PAF "clone" pickup. Do like your show tho, wife noticed that you also smoke a pipe, so when I do a video I'm not copying you. Maybe I started first?
I thought the 2006 with stock pickups sounded alright, but once you started playing the 58 I noticed that the guitar has more sustain, more dynamics, better transients and does not compress as much. There is better note separation too. The pickups play a big part in the tone, but a guitar is a "system", everything has to align properly in order to create a killer axe. That Vox is also part of the system. The combination is awesome.
I have no issues with Burstbuckers and think they sound fantastic, IF the guitar it's in already has a nice, resonant sound, it's set up properly and the player and amp aren't garbage. That said, Tom Doyle hit the nail on the head that creating a pickup is all about the end result: THE SOUND. Which is why companies like DiMarzio are popular with people who do not require "perfect vintage replicas" but want a particular sound, even if the pickup is 17k and has a brass baseplate and an undersized magnet disigned to not touch the poles, like their "Airbuckers". One of my favorite humbuckers is the "Air Zone" which is more than double the resistance of a PAF but still has a fantastic dynamic range but can push an amp hard if you pick hard. It's all about SOUND and FEEL, not specs.
Gibson stopped using brass posts and thumbwheels on their "ABR1" bridges and went to steel at some point. As strange as it seems, it matters. They also were using cheap zinc tail pieces as well. So upgrading those two things actually can make a difference in terms of tone.
@@pensive_ Juat curious what tge short cuts Gibson custom make?
@@srh361 Oh sure, for example please watch
I Made A Mistake Buying A Gibson Custom Shop R0 Guitar on Philip McKnight's channel
1) Custom Shop Guitar cost him around $7000
2) Upon onboxing, the silver volume cap was missing on one of the knobs.
3) There was a 1" scratch UNDER the clearcoat in the finish. Viewing a full guitar shot of the back, the scratch in the neck is clearly visible. That is how brazenly bad QC at Gibson is.
4) The fretboard edges wasnt rolled/rounded, and the frets ate into his hands.
5) The action was high and because of the seemingly too-low neck angle and slightly higher pickup rings, The action could not be lowered. He mentions it was barely playable.
THIS is for $7000 Custom Shop guitar NEW.
Hello all… and thanks for watching. Doyle Coils TRU-CLONES PAF Humbuckers is now offering a Special $50 Discount Off for our TRU-CLONES and the Complete Combo Pack - Point your browser to our new shopping cart system at www.tru-clones.com/shop and use PROMO CODE: DougPatShow - it has to be entered exactly as you see it here during check out and we’ll knock $50 bucks off for all you Doug and Pat Show viewers! As Les would always say “Keep on Pickin’”
Great interview Tom,
...time to play my "SuperTom's"
Keep it up! ;)
Hi Tom. Love these pickups. Is the Promo code still valid?
That Tom Doyle interview was Wonderful.. Thank you...and the Video is great too...
We don't usually do interviews as such but Tom was fun, old school which we like. If we only had more time. D&P
I suck at Sheetrock/spackling, so I threw a quilt up on the wall. I never met Les Paul, but my Dad brought me to see him play at the Iridium in Manhattan. Tom Doyle rebuilt my Jackson Dinky, when I was in high school. I grew up with his son. So cool going in his shop. He had Les Paul's original 8 track in the corner.
They sound great.
That's three times I've listened closely to this now, and I have to say, that Oscar is the finest sounding guitar I've ever had the pleasure of listening to. But that stock 2006 R7 comes DAMN close.
I am definitely a day behind here, vacation time, welcome back again, I always look forward to it and yet again great. I love the sheet rock reference, lol.
Awesome! I need to order more long sleeve Doug and Par Shirts!
Hope your all good.Just hanging till the guitar show starts again? Peace.
You guys on vacation?Still on the planet!I guess I ll see ya when I see ya! Can't wait for the next video!
Editing the first show on Telecasters right now. D&P
Another great show!! What else to say . . .cheers and thank you fellow Oregonians.
I look forward to the shows so much. I have a set of Doyle Coils, along with the wiring harness in a 2008 Les Paul Standard. What a difference they made. As I'm sure everyone can hear in this terrific video, they make my Les Paul saying. Such clarity! Keep it up boys!
Tom
i put Toms 50s real BumbleBee wiring harness in my 95 classic along with some Dimarzio 36s anniversary pups and have to say the damn thing sounds as good if not better then my two stock customs ,, one has 57s and the other stock custombuckers ,, was pleasantly surprised so much so ill be putting the complete set harness and pups into my new 96 standard
IMHO, the epitome of classic PAF humbucker sounds is the intro and outro instrumental theme song from this channel. It doesn't get any better than this fantastic sound!
All thank you guys I've missed Oscar what a gorgeous wonderful sounding instrument
Great to see you back fellas great shows always look forward to them , I get pinged asap you upload sad I know but you guys are better than any TV show
Hear Hear!!
Glad to see and meet Les Paul in person back in 2006 in New York City.
great stuff please keep up the cool tones
I'm late to this party.
Great, great video, Thank You.
Now I need to go play:-).. good vid Cat's! Great demos tone was pretty, pretty, pretty pretty damn Sweet!
I love these videos thanks
Doug channeling some Cream era Clapton. Nice tight playing and great tone.
Thanks for that. It gives us a chance to hear what those tone caps will do and if there is any difference between them. D&P
Just an idea for your A-B tests: While I realize that the show is about capturing that vintage tone could you guys play these rigs through more everyday amplifiers (Fender Hot Rod Deville and the like) and then A-B them against the vintage amps like your AC10, etc.? I get that you're typically trying to isolate for one or two specific variables but most people aren't playing through 50 year-old amplifiers and I think it would be eye-opening to hear how pickups like these Tru-Clones sounded through a more common amp. Just my .02. Love the show guys.
The general rule is this. new VS old a new Lp of comparable issue will get you 90% of the way to a late 50/ early 60s, As is basically the same with amps of Comparable models.
I wish you guys would do an in-depth video of the 59 burst. like up close shots of it and all that jazz. Wish there were more videos out there showing close up details of 58-60 bursts. Maybe you guys have already done that, if so I'm sorry for over looking. Love you cats! I'm a new subscriber. Best channel ever!
Beauty of the burst $19 kindle $22 paperback on Amazon
www.amazon.com/dp/B006IK1U8C/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
Great show guys... didn't know you were gone but if you were... Welcome back.. Some great insights and info as always. Thanks, enjoyed it.
I have a pair of early Tom Doyle 'rails' humbuckers in a guitar. The controls and wiring harness (volume, tone, and a rotary pickup selector switch) are all Doyle-made. No idea what year these are from; the coils are encased in a plastic box a la EMG and have 'T. W. Doyle' heat stamped between the blades.
It seems the Doyle harness kinda mellowed out the tone some.P.S. The Burstbuckers sound real fine, too
My friend (now 80 yrs old), purchased the very 'Mary Ford' Les Paul Model used, from Manny's Music Store on 48th St in NYC in the late 1950s or early 1960s. Prior to him selling it to a famous guitar dealer in NYC, only he and a few close friends were aware of its existence. Once it surfaced I am told Gibson borrowed and copied it for a limited edition. As far as I know, there was no official 'Mary Ford' designation, yet that is how it was referred to even way back when.
yep, at 44:20 Doug reaches thru a time portal and picks up the mug from last week. Or is it just a reflection or do I have aixelsid? Great show guys! Always interesting stuff.
Yeah, we did a little Einstein thing there bending space and time and not destroying the Universe so that's pretty cool. Probably won't do it again though. D&P
Seems to me that the Doyle pups and harness was darker overall, but interestingly sounded more 'complex' with the tone rolled off fully. The stock R7 sounded pretty good too.
Always great show's guys, what gauge do you sting your Les Paul's with ?
Nothing beats oscar
Is it just me or do the Doyle Coils reduce the sustain pretty noticeably? They sound pretty good especially with the harness, but lack just that little bit of oomph maybe.
Were the pickups in the R7 Burstbuckers or 57 Classics?
Originally they were 57 classics we think being a 2006. D&P
I'd be interested in knowing the pickup heights you use. Thanks.
On humbuckings we set them quite close on the bridge, down a bit on the neck until they're balanced (to us). D&P
Hey guys great show! I'm watching here in the UK.
How about a show on some vintage Danelectro guitars? Maybe comparing against the newer models?
Brilliant comparison video! Thanks for taking the time to share. Are all guitars strung with 9.5 gauge strings? Many thanks!
We string all Les Paul guitars including the Heritage H150 with XL120+ gauge strings. We would prefer to use heavier but have lazy fingers. D&P
The Doug and Pat Show Many thanks for the reply! I use them as well for my Fender guitars. Great stings, and I absolutely love your tone, regardless of which guitar you're using. That said, Oscar is on another level, altogether.
Oscar has a chirping sound at the end of some of those Notes played.
i just orded a set of doyle's pickups
And the Fender Telecaster episode you eluded too about 5-6 shows back????? When are you doing that?
tonebender69 oh my, oh hell yes
It’s hard to make a fair statement on the pickups when Hendrix, I mean Doug is playing them because he’s such a monster player and artist. Truthfully!
Sorry about the typo below. I meant to say they make my Les Paul "sing".
hello again, i thought it was interesting that how high the moon was recorded in the first week of jan.1951 the les paul guitar was debuted at the namm show in june 1952 evidently it went through a lot of prototypes to arrive at the 1952 gold top.
les paul was playing and changing the instrument until the release in june 1952.
Les used his #1 “Clunker,” to record “How High The Moon” and all other Les Paul and Mary Ford hits (36 hits in total) from the late 1940s and early ’50s… and NOT a Gibson Les Paul guitar. Les had told Gibson that he would play his clunkers until Gibson came up with a guitar that sounded better. Gibson did ultimately produce its first solid body, which did rival the sound of the clunker. In the 1940s, Gibson even offered Les any guitar he wanted - including a gold plated L-5, but Les wanted a great-sounding solid body, and Gibson refused to give him one. Then in 1952 Gibson and Les Paul were finally able to agree on what would then become the solid body Gold Top that Les would endorse and put his name on. So in short, those songs were not recorded in any way whatsoever with what we now know as a Gibson Les Paul guitar… Gold Top or otherwise.
how high the moon was recorded in, jan1951 the guitar is a solid body les paul type guitar (in the film)but modified ,but a solid body none the less,so evidently gibson gave in and les used a solid body guitar as you stated.
aaaahhh ... whadda you old coots know asnyways .. :)
thanks for learning sum new lix there, Dougie !
We will hunt you down for that Mr Smith, and we'll be bringing that squeaky chair with us. D&P
bring it on, bubba..
don't forget your cane .. :))
p.s.
those BB's sounded different than I recall
by chance were they BB pro's ..??
We don't know but this particular guitar sounds pretty good as it is, most don't. D&P
it's just so hard to pin down...
I have two of the much maligned 1970's Gibsons ( LP Specials)
with p90's --- that just sound spectacular despite their heritage
I have not cared for BB's, but that guitar "had it" R-8, was it ..??
I red somwhere that Brian Robson (former Thin Lizzy) have one vintage black Les Paul that is chamberd. It was supposed to belong to Mary Ford coz she didn't like those heavy guitars.
Just a passing note Why would Gibson make a 1958 Gold top? 1958 first year of the Burst
Good question. It's because the changes done to Gibson guitars were not like cars, there were no model years as such so the humbuckings showed up sometime in 1957 and the sunburst finish later in 1958 so there are both gold tops and sunburst Les Pauls in 1958. A cool web site is Burstserial (dotcom) which shows LP's by serial number with pictures so that you can see the chronological progression of the finish change. D&P
Pat looks like an Allman brother in the 70s photo.
I thought the R7 had custombuckers?
Oscar, just has that fatness, and compression. But still that clear bite. Age must have something to do with it. All the real vintage 1957-1960 PAF's I've heard seem to have this, some in different degree.
people keep talking about scatter wind in relation to PAFS but they were machine wound on a Leesona 102 coil winding machine. So why are so many boutique snake oil guys hand scatter winding?
I have a R7 just like Pats. Could you help me please ? Can you tell me what available pickups sound close to the original pickups of the time please ? ( Like Oscar's )
I need your real knowledge and experience.
Thanks for the tip, the 22's sound very good. I also have a dig around for a replacement wiring harness with some astrons. cheers
I dunno about the Model 22s being "modelled" after "Oscar" or not but I own them and they are fantastic!
Thanks Dan, cheers.
Does anybody know how Steve Bradley is doing since his heart attack. One of Portland Best Guitar players, long time partner with Jim Messie, Robbie Laws, and Turtle VanDameyer. Thanks Guys another great show. Always wanted to know about these pickups , they seem to be pricey.
Great show as always. A question first. What are your thoughts/opinions on treble bleed circuits on humbucker pickups. I installed a wiring harness with the bleed (resistor and cap) circuit on my Heritage H555, along with a new SD Antiquity Neck pick up. I'm not convinced that I did the right thing with the treble bleed. Does it effect the overall tone more than just retaining the highs when at lower volume?
Now my comment; I find it ironic the you guys host the "Doug and Pat Show".....and your names are Doug and Pat, what are the odds?
Yeah we were a little baffled at first as to what to call it, then the fighting and backstabbing started so it became clear: The Doug and Pat Show.
D&P
What about the Treble bleed circuit, it supposed to just retain the highs when the guitar volume is below 10. I’m just wondering what your thoughts are on these circuits, and if they alter the sound. I guess just your overall opinion on them.
Oscar probably has much less hot PAFs probably in the 7 to 7.5 ohm range white the RI is probably close to 8.5 and 9 and could be a different magnet type, the Doyle coils come close to the PAFs but dont quite have the bloom and clarity imo
Well after seeing this, the new Lps are unpotted in 19, so someone needs to give em a try..are the new Lps really closer to the vintage ones?
Hi great to see you again. Now tone can be a pretty subjective thing. When you played the R7 I thought it sounded great with the Burstbuckers. So when you plugged in Oscar I thought "well here we go" usually it's like night and day when you do this but it was not. I think a culture has grown up where spending lots on pickups, and I am guilty of this too, is the answer to your tone problems when a lot of the time it probably is not. I thought the Burstbuckers had a tad more midrange. OK sorry, don't ban me!
So correct-sound IS subjective so there is no wrong answer. When we were talking to Bonamassa he said that the difference between a good sound and a great sound is only about 5% and he wants that extra 5%. If we could pick a spot with the Doyles demo that we hear the 5% it would be the high note flurry starting at 38:30 and ending with the sustained note at 38:36 that starts to change tone and for the better. The stock R7 could not do that from what we heard. That's the difference that makes Doug want to play for an hour. D&P
Tim Lilly In my experience it takes time, hours of listening, to catch slight differences in tone. Of course youtube, the video/audio compression, doesn't help. I know it's silly, but that's why tone "snobs" are rarely below a certain age. Disclaimer: I don't mean snobs in a bad way. It's just easier to type than connossieurs (not even sure I spelled it right).
Haha you were close.. it's connoisseur(s). The only reason I know is because, coincidentally, I looked up the correct spelling of that word a few days ago. Cheers jo sg 👍
So I've finally got home and have watched this on the big screen with the Bose sound system. Yes, the reissue Goldtop seems to run out of puff further up the neck with the Burstbuckers. But also if it's 5% different is that worth the price tag for an original?
Agree seems every nuance is debatable now.I think a lot of the tone is generated as you know by a great tube amp.Lots of boutique amps today....it’s almost overkill with how many products you can choose from and who makes the closest to a “real PAF”.....so many variables.Just plug in a good Les Paul into a good tube amp.I know from personal experience in a band mix a lot of micro analyzing goes out the window.
You already have Oscar, which is undeniably a great LP. How many more guitars do you really need?
You guys should interview Jim Wagner of Jim Wagner pickups! He makes the best sounding humbuckers I ever played! You should buy a set and put them in Oscar!
What pickups have come closest to Oscar's sound....any?
Actually most of our tested pickups sound very PAF but only a few approach Oscar and we don't know why. You can always drop us a line at our email address> thedougandpatshow@gmail.com for further discussion. D&P
lol....Oscar is just that once in a lifetime special guitar. Few and far between.
Oddley enough i liked the Doyle coils with the stock wireing. The doyle wireing sounded muffuley and if i was a betting man i would say the diyle wireing in done in modern style, probabley wrong thats why im not a betting man.haha
The Doyle's aren't Oscar, with or with the harness unfortunately.
Pat - Do you think Doug is a showoff? Or does he just drink a lot of tea?
I don´t know tom doyle, but I know Arthur Conan Doyle
Find 10 virgins and sacrifice them immediately to the great god Oscar. Wow! What a sound!
What are The Odds That a guy NAMED LES PAUL REALLY PLAYED A les paul 🎉WHAAATTT
doyle coils are the best sounding pups I've tried them all.
Way to much compression with the stock harness. Much better with Doyle wiring harness.
Gee, how about a mention for loaning you that first set last year that you used in a show(?). Guess not eh...
Great show and comparison between Oscar and that R-7! The Doyle's were a big improvement. What pickups were stock on the R-7? Burstbuckers or Custombuckers? Sounded more like "Shitebuckers".....yuck, yuck...
Don Butler..
Yeah about that Don...we feel kind of bad but then we got to talking and now we're wondering what else you might have around your house we could use. And we'd mention you and everything. D&P
LPCustom3 I
Mary Ford could shred. Lester said she was better.
Enjoyable video for sure but to actually compare you would have to try all the components being tested in ONE guitar otherwise it's kinda pointless xcept for entertainment value, plus utube kinda makes everything sound the same. Your 58 is a great guitar but there is no PAF tone as there were so many variables in those old pickups. Not trying to depress everyone but it drives me nut's when I see a PAF "clone" pickup. Do like your show tho, wife noticed that you also smoke a pipe, so when I do a video I'm not copying you. Maybe I started first?