Happy Rainy Day Nathan, it's great to read all the comments and now your sharing viewers videos from followers all over the world, truly awesome to see how you have inspired so many to get into the sawyer industry and or even follow along and educate themselves as an educated bystander such as myself.
I used closed cell insulation in my wood shop (24' x 30') here in Northern Ohio. I put 2" on the walls and 3" in the ceiling. It has been fine. My mini split has no trouble keeping up and it has hardly affected my electric bill. Bill
Use thin layer of closed cell sprayfoam. Then cover it with stone wool for fireproofing and sound insulation. That way you get to kill the possibility of condensation and also not waste money.
i just love read all the comment of how to do it better 🤣. i always say, run what ya brung. i really liking all the different things you are doing in your shop......oh thats right ...."your shop"😉. thanks for sharing your shop.
Hey Nathan hope you'll get a break from all the rain, at least it's not snow. As far as insulation, another ybr channel is building a house and the contractor on exterior walls is spraying 2" of closed cell to seal the outside than the pink insulation to keep heat in.
My shop has 2 inches of closed cell foam. Completely sealed. A small heater will raise the temp about 10 degrees per hour in cold weather. 2 inches is plenty.
Good stuff. Love your videos. As a former spray foam salesman for a spray foam company, 2” of closed cell foam is all you need in them walls. Adding fiberglass wouldn’t really add any insulating properties at this point. Focus on mitigating the heat loss through the roof/attic at this point. My two cents. Do with it as you like. Keep up the good work
In Texas this would be all wrong. Don’t know the weather where he is. Guessing it’s a mix. We only worry about keeping the heat out in Texas and would want to fill up somehow to avoid condensation. Flash and Batt is common just to get something in there, and you would do no moisture barrier on the inside. We don’t add the batting to help insulate but for other properties.
If I remember correctly friends, most heat loss happens at the ceiling. That does not mean you do not have to insulate your walls but, more insulation in the ceiling will improve heat loss?
If you stop airflow from your walls and rim joists, then you have effectively stopped the cold air infiltration, which causes the stack effect. Yes, you need reasonable insulation in the ceiling also. But I think the 70% is misleading. You could insulation your ceiling to R50, but if you have leaky walls/rim joists, your house is going to be cold regardless.
Hey Nathan, great stuff, simple applications. Is your goal "insulation" or "vapor barrier", this would be a simple application of 2 cans for all the cracks and couple of 1/2" foam panels, glued and seal taped, as a vapor barrier. Sealing the heat transfer (reflective foam board), to reverse the radiation facing the wall. Considering that you may not add a finish to the wall or are you planning on insulating the rest of the shop. Noticing the OSB wall behind you. Thanks
@@nickford5549 The air gap is provided by layering the reflective insulboard as the finish on the studs. The gap is already provided by the stud 3.5" of width, from the sheet metal to the back of the insulation. Closed cell insulboard acts like a moisture barrier on the back side. The spray foam has no air gap now if the wall is finished. If the sheet metal is slippery or has debris on the inner surface the foam may not stick for long in freezing weather unless encapsulated.
Maybe somebody else commented about this I'm not sure, but I cut strips of Styrofoam insulation, put them in between the studs, and then spray foamed the cracks, I felt like that was cheaper than buying it by the can, and had very similar results. Not trying to critique you just saying what I did. It was a lot cheaper for me than buying a lot of spray foam cans which are very expensive and was faster.
If you have easy access, then your method works fine. But when you have finished basement ceiling, then this method allows you to simply cut small holes in the ceiling near the ends, and spray foam each joist. Trying to get rigid insulation in those cases, or in cases where you have maybe an inch gap between the board and the rim joist, is very difficult.
R value really only applies to fiberglass insulation. It’s not valid for spray foam but it’s on the packaging for a combination of marketing and regulations. R19 batting for example is only R19 if it is not compressed at all and it has airflow, something you can’t get with closed cell foam. Airflow and leaks cause moisture to move, making the R19 value of fiberglass batting more like R3. Do a cross section of your Yeti cooler and look for fiberglass, you won’t find any. With no airflow in a sealed system, fiberglass is nearly R-0.
Fellas: thanx for sharing the side trip!---Nathan, now that the wood shop is getting nice and cozy, and winter is on, how's the journey getting to/from! Are you driving the closed cab to stay out of the elements!
@@OutoftheWoods0623 They make a gun that sprays up I have seen on another channel. The can has to a certain position and the other gun lets you doin ceiling or above your head and keep the can in the correct position.
I always wear brown cotton work gloves whenever I use insulating foam. That stuff gets on your hands and it's impossible to get off. Ask me how I know.
You have to be careful on doing "flash and batt" insulation, which is what you were wondering about. You can trap a lot of moisture in the batts. Personally I wouldn't do it.
You should check out Wranglerstar’s top down method for building a fire in your stove. I use it in my fireplace & it works very well to get a fire going quickly!
Hi Nathan, good video, thanks, have you asked Mike Morgan for some of his fire starter? I would like to see an independent in-depth review from your Lordship please.
If you do this again they sell a diy spray kit called frost pack. Comes with two refrigerant tanks full of 2 part. A good tip also. Spray foam is great but really isn’t the best choice in most applications. It’s really good at air sealing. If you want the best insulation flash the walls 1” thick and blow in cellulose material. Great r value and good on sound
No, Thank you. Im looking at insulating about 1000 Board feet. Your videos have been very helpful as to whether i should DIY or not.@@OutoftheWoods0623
Watching the sprayfoaming.. was surprised that it did not expand very quickly.. Almost looks like no foam expansion. I can't remember your other videos but when I see it applied on other videos, the spray goes on and quickly expands it's volume. Your application didn't seem to do that.
Spray foam used in video: amzn.to/3VNamnz
link is broken
With closed cell foam spray a thin layer and seal all the cracks. Then fiberglass.
Happy Rainy Day Nathan, it's great to read all the comments and now your sharing viewers videos from followers all over the world, truly awesome to see how you have inspired so many to get into the sawyer industry and or even follow along and educate themselves as an educated bystander such as myself.
Thanks buddy appreciate it
I used closed cell insulation in my wood shop (24' x 30') here in Northern Ohio. I put 2" on the walls and 3" in the ceiling. It has been fine. My mini split has no trouble keeping up and it has hardly affected my electric bill.
Bill
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Use thin layer of closed cell sprayfoam. Then cover it with stone wool for fireproofing and sound insulation. That way you get to kill the possibility of condensation and also not waste money.
that's my plan
We have -12 celsius here in Sweden this morning. BRRR!!!!!
i just love read all the comment of how to do it better 🤣. i always say, run what ya brung. i really liking all the different things you are doing in your shop......oh thats right ...."your shop"😉. thanks for sharing your shop.
Thanks
Hey Nathan hope you'll get a break from all the rain, at least it's not snow. As far as insulation, another ybr channel is building a house and the contractor on exterior walls is spraying 2" of closed cell to seal the outside than the pink insulation to keep heat in.
Thanks for sharing with us Nathan. Stay safe, Fred.
Small layer of spray foam for vapor barrier and rock wool or fiberglass the rest ..depending on how much R -Value u want
Hanging a tarp across your big door will help, with the heater going it could be very cozy.
Gonna be a warm shop this winter. You are way ahead of last winter already.
I would say for your climate area, that's plenty of insulation.
It needs to quit raining in Tennessee. I am anxious to see the inside of that big cherry log you teased about the other day.
Me2. Swamp here
me three
My shop has 2 inches of closed cell foam. Completely sealed. A small heater will raise the temp about 10 degrees per hour in cold weather. 2 inches is plenty.
Nathan..I'm sitting in the emergency room at the VA in Miami watching you spray foam your barn. I'm doing good...my blood sugar got a bit high.
Take care sir
Good stuff. Love your videos. As a former spray foam salesman for a spray foam company, 2” of closed cell foam is all you need in them walls. Adding fiberglass wouldn’t really add any insulating properties at this point. Focus on mitigating the heat loss through the roof/attic at this point. My two cents. Do with it as you like. Keep up the good work
Thanks for the info!
@@OutoftheWoods0623 you’re welcome. Glad if it’s helpful
In Texas this would be all wrong. Don’t know the weather where he is. Guessing it’s a mix. We only worry about keeping the heat out in Texas and would want to fill up somehow to avoid condensation. Flash and Batt is common just to get something in there, and you would do no moisture barrier on the inside. We don’t add the batting to help insulate but for other properties.
If I remember correctly friends, most heat loss happens at the ceiling. That does not mean you do not have to insulate your walls but, more insulation in the ceiling will improve heat loss?
You are correct Dave. 70% through the ceiling. 20% through doors and windows and 10% through the walls
If you stop airflow from your walls and rim joists, then you have effectively stopped the cold air infiltration, which causes the stack effect. Yes, you need reasonable insulation in the ceiling also. But I think the 70% is misleading. You could insulation your ceiling to R50, but if you have leaky walls/rim joists, your house is going to be cold regardless.
Hey Nathan, great stuff, simple applications. Is your goal "insulation" or "vapor barrier", this would be a simple application of 2 cans for all the cracks and couple of 1/2" foam panels, glued and seal taped, as a vapor barrier. Sealing the heat transfer (reflective foam board), to reverse the radiation facing the wall. Considering that you may not add a finish to the wall or are you planning on insulating the rest of the shop. Noticing the OSB wall behind you. Thanks
Radiant insulation needs a gap to be effective
@@nickford5549 The air gap is provided by layering the reflective insulboard as the finish on the studs. The gap is already provided by the stud 3.5" of width, from the sheet metal to the back of the insulation. Closed cell insulboard acts like a moisture barrier on the back side. The spray foam has no air gap now if the wall is finished. If the sheet metal is slippery or has debris on the inner surface the foam may not stick for long in freezing weather unless encapsulated.
Thank you for sharing this bit of information - I just bought some of the stuff: if it works great... If not you'll be hearing about it: 😉🤣
😂😂😂
Maybe somebody else commented about this I'm not sure, but I cut strips of Styrofoam insulation, put them in between the studs, and then spray foamed the cracks, I felt like that was cheaper than buying it by the can, and had very similar results. Not trying to critique you just saying what I did. It was a lot cheaper for me than buying a lot of spray foam cans which are very expensive and was faster.
If you have easy access, then your method works fine. But when you have finished basement ceiling, then this method allows you to simply cut small holes in the ceiling near the ends, and spray foam each joist. Trying to get rigid insulation in those cases, or in cases where you have maybe an inch gap between the board and the rim joist, is very difficult.
Thanks for the video. Would you please tell me what type of respirator did you use? Thanks again.
The classical guitar @3:21 sounds like the lead in of Alice Cooper's
"Wake Me Gently" from his "Alice Cooper Goes to Hell" album. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
How many kits did you use for this area you covered?
The insulation you have up now will work really well.
Nathan, I really thought I would see you starting the fire with Mike Morgan's fire starter. Enjoyed the video.
May be he will send some over the
I think Nathan has enough chips fire starters, doesn't need Mikes' boutique fire starter
Closed cell spray foam is about R7-7.5 per inch.
5.66
R value really only applies to fiberglass insulation. It’s not valid for spray foam but it’s on the packaging for a combination of marketing and regulations. R19 batting for example is only R19 if it is not compressed at all and it has airflow, something you can’t get with closed cell foam. Airflow and leaks cause moisture to move, making the R19 value of fiberglass batting more like R3. Do a cross section of your Yeti cooler and look for fiberglass, you won’t find any. With no airflow in a sealed system, fiberglass is nearly R-0.
You would think your buddy Mike Morgan would send you a bag of his handy fire starter. Pretty nice stuff.
I agree
Fellas: thanx for sharing the side trip!---Nathan, now that the wood shop is getting nice and cozy, and winter is on, how's the journey getting to/from! Are you driving the closed cab to stay out of the elements!
Yes 👍
I need to apply it to the underside of a crawl space floor. Can the gun be pointed continuously in an upright orientation
Not sure. Never tried it over head
@@OutoftheWoods0623 They make a gun that sprays up I have seen on another channel. The can has to a certain position and the other gun lets you doin ceiling or above your head and keep the can in the correct position.
I always wear brown cotton work gloves whenever I use insulating foam. That stuff gets on your hands and it's impossible to get off. Ask me how I know.
May put that spray foam in parts of my building, looks pretty good.. cabbage is looking good too 😅
Just see how the wood stove heats up the shop and if it cools down real quick, add some more.
what type of air respirator are you using? What cartridge?
Hey Nathan!! Missed a spot! 😆😜😃
You have to be careful on doing "flash and batt" insulation, which is what you were wondering about. You can trap a lot of moisture in the batts. Personally I wouldn't do it.
I’m looking for a wood heater like you have for my shop. Any information would be great.
You should check out Wranglerstar’s top down method for building a fire in your stove. I use it in my fireplace & it works very well to get a fire going quickly!
Looks good friend may have try that stuff on next insulating project here at the Sawmill thank you for sharing
You bet
Closed cell is about R7 per inch
Isn't spray foam supposed to expand?
Nathan,what kind of work boots are them?they really look nice .would like to find a pair.thanks.much love from West Tn.
Did you clean or dampen before you sprayed the foam?
both, dusted some and spray water, it helped I think,
Where's the coffee pot foe the top of the wood stove?
On order
Love the spray foam, but here in Canada, you have to cover it with a non combustible material like drywall in a shop. Something to consider
thank goodness I don't have to be told what to cover my walls with,
thats so strange because you can take a torch to closed cell and it wont burn...
Nathan why aren't you using Mike Morgan's fire starter?
Good morning
Hey James
Didja tighten that chain yet
how did you achieve those big purple blobs??
That takes years to achieve. Advanced techniques.
Thanks for sharing!! 🎅🎄🙏💚🇬🇧....Simon
Hey Nathan, great videos. Can you link to where you purchased the chimney thermometer 🌡️
Lowe’s had them
Do you think this would work well for insulating a kiln chamber made out of 2x6 framing?
yes
@@OutoftheWoods0623 Cool! Thanks!
Hi Nathan, good video, thanks, have you asked Mike Morgan for some of his fire starter? I would like to see an independent in-depth review from your Lordship please.
It’s on the way
@@nathanelliott9013 well! Look forward to the video, take care
@@nathanelliott9013 lmao
If you do this again they sell a diy spray kit called frost pack. Comes with two refrigerant tanks full of 2 part. A good tip also. Spray foam is great but really isn’t the best choice in most applications. It’s really good at air sealing. If you want the best insulation flash the walls 1” thick and blow in cellulose material. Great r value and good on sound
Froth pak
2'' closed cell is roughly R13
Thanks 🙏
No, Thank you. Im looking at insulating about 1000 Board feet. Your videos have been very helpful as to whether i should DIY or not.@@OutoftheWoods0623
Awesome!
Thanks!
You have me wondering if that might be the way to insulate my shop....hmmmm
how is the applicator
cleaned?
Acetone works against non-cured foam
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Great video!
Thanks!
You need some of Mike Morgans fire starter
I agree
All is possible through beard power.!!
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Watching the sprayfoaming.. was surprised that it did not expand very quickly.. Almost looks like no foam expansion. I can't remember your other videos but when I see it applied on other videos, the spray goes on and quickly expands it's volume. Your application didn't seem to do that.
That's a different type of foam.
🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
R-13 fiberglass, plastic & ⅝ fire rock. Cheaper, faster & fire rated..
But the metal will sweat
@@OutoftheWoods0623 Not sure what you mean by "the metal will sweat"?
You need to Mike up for some fire-starter. ODWM
Nathan you live on a mtn top
R7 per inch
Anybody else heard his voice and thought they clicked on thr wrong video?
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"What's a cubit?"
Google it 😂😂
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Omg what in the actual foam are you doing. Foam looks horrible
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Nobody cares about what your weather is?
🤦🏼♂️Nathan, please don’t take this the wrong way, why have you started 100 jobs & finished “0” 🤦🏼♂️ You get bored or something.
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