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I surfed Pipe a few years ago (2018) for a month or two. There were some pretty agro locals making it perfectly clear I wasn’t welcome - for the entire 2 months. When back home, in Bali, a few months later, I bumped into one of the most aggressive Pipe locals when surfing Uluwatu. He didn’t give a damn about the fact he wasn’t a local: absolutely zero respect for anyone. And here lies the truth of localism: localism is carried out by 1st-class shiteheads, who don’t assume for a second that the rules apply to them when they leave their local break.
I noticed this is a common thing amongst that north shore crowd. They want free rein at their spots but as soon as they go somewhere else they expect everyone to worship them like “but, but, but I’m a PIPE surfer!”
Step 1. Paddle out Step 2. Say hi to the locals Step 3. Pay attention to who had the last wave Step 4. Let the locals have a couple sets Step 5. They’ll then call you into them Step 6. Profit 🤙🏼
i think there’s a difference between localism, respect, and regulating but they all work hand in hand. localism/regulating is important so spots don’t turn into another version of malibu or snapper. it’s also essential for safety i remember surfing out at kaiser’s a few years ago and someone who shouldn’t be out in the water was getting in the way and ended up causing a collision which led to someone having to be transported in an ambulance to the hospital
Nice vid mate , it's complicated especially down you're way , communication is key like you said . So many people can't even respond when you ask them if they're "going " I'm not sure if it's arrogance or just people can't handle interactions these days . Another thing if you've changed your mind late yell to the guy next to you "go,go,go" The less wasted waves the better the vibes in the water. Cheers
Thanks mate! I always try and encourage everyone to go whatever waves they have a sniff at. I think the more waves everyone is catching 100% helps with good vibes in the water.
I’m all for a bit of localism. My usual spot handles a half dozen punters at best . It’s a short wave with a narrow takeoff and lots of rocks. Visitors don’t feel comfortable and without a friendly attitude don’t get many waves and don’t return. When every other break is crowded this is a huge blessing.
It’s one of the more difficult parts of navigating the tube at Snapper. Have seen a few broken and bloody noses from stray boards. Guess it adds to the excitement?
It’s a give and take mentality, locals have insights to the demographic of surfers in a wide area. We allow the locals from the next point south the benefits of taking off in the prime zone for similar exchange at their home break. We manage the parking and beach safely in order to have a pleasant experience. When the outsider show lack of respect by acting as if they have a carte blanche access and even try to exploit our timeless work of protecting the secret nature of our spot we fire back. No surf exploitation camera guy or internet exposure will earn respect anywhere. Learn your lesson, observe the regulations locals enforce and you’ll have a better recreation experience. Play ignorance and get shat on.
Born and raised in Hawaii you always had to earn your spot in a line up and we see so many fly ins that we have to be accommodated to traveling surfers but at the same time we want to surf our waves without hassles respect the locals and give them waves be cool with people around you and leave the attitude on the beach I love to travel and surf lots of different waves so I’ll be respectful when I show up at your break so do the same when you show up in Hawaii
Yup of course. Part 2 of this vid comes out this week and goes exactly into what you’re saying. I’ve spent a fair bit of time in Hawaii and plenty other spots in the world without any issues. It’s all a matter of respect and letting the locals get the waves they like 👌
Yup Koa was out there and I heard his filmer got told not to film because he would make money from the vids they were making or something. I don't think he was treated entirely fairly to be honest although I didn't see anything bad happen to him in the water.
@@Kirrapointsurfschool Ah rad, looked like a gnarly swell, the locals told Koas filmer not to film? LOL, Tim Bonython must've been looming around somewhere there too.. Locals probably just trying to show him how gnarly they were or something hahah.. Big up, also, where do I pick up some KPSS merch?
@@UziMusic Yeah I find it a bit rich when there's so many filmers blowing the place up and you single one person out like that. You can get merch here, appreciate the support mate! kirrapointapparel.com/
Koa got treated by the wave itself a right proper schooling as would be the case for us in Hawaii trying to learn the many moods of pipe or sunset ect If your humble patient and respectful in Hawaii you’ll be allowed some scraps but if you want set waves then you’ve got to put your time in and earn it the right way
It’s just scarcity. Yeah I mean it’s not logically consistent to the ground rules that locals get essentially a license to drop in but it’s also just the way it is cause of scarcity and tourism. One shouldn’t be expecting to get the first pick of the waves at a spot you are new to and if you don’t just try to charge the more choice waves a few times, if the locals are decent, they will notice that and maybe you might get a better one. You do have to give a bit of respect coming into a spot you are new to. However, snapper sounds fucked lol, absolute nightmare. Surfing can really have a lame and macho culture at times for something that can actually be viewed as transcendent and spiritual but it’s just cause it’s a crazy addiction that has an element of fickleness and scarcity to it cause of limited good waves, crowds and conditions. Just economics really. Good vibes to all
Scarcity is the perfect word for the Gold Coast especially with a dying South swell. I tend to avoid those conditions as much as possible as it's almost impossible to get anything out there.
The give respect to earn respect is low hanging fruit. Respect should be earned and the best way to earn it is surf a spot consistently until you have earned that respect. I can understand not wanting to surf one spot all the time but that is your choice. You are going to have to show respect to the locals and its likely you won't get the respect you are looking for because you have chosen to be a journeyman surfer. Its unfair to the people who dedicate their life to their neighborhood surfspot to think you are entitled to a certain amount of respect by them whenever you show up to a surf spot.
I agree entirely with what you’re saying and I feel like my video states that although I enjoy surfing different surf spots in my local area. I’m not going to travel to spots I don’t frequent often and expect waves but I’ve put enough time in at a number of different spots on the Gold Coast. Part 2 comes out this week and dives deeper into exactly what you’re saying 👌
Localism is great until you go and surf somebody else’s wave and on the receiving end but most of these blokes don’t go anywhere else I have never been a local anywhere I’ve surfed for 40 years and given my whole life to surfing travelling all over the world consider myself to be more of a surfer than any of these people i’m always nice to everybody in the water even kooks
Appreciate the comment Martin. It’s a tough one. Localism can feel so frustrating at times. I feel like kindness is the way to go to everyone in the water.
if you see a leaner blue board and snapper, please be gentle, i love that place and just trying to learn, sometimes, the current just puts me in the wrong sport and it takes all my energy to get out of if, so if i am in your way, its because of the currents , i always stay away from the drop zone, but the drop zone is a magnet so sometimes u get into the wrong spot, surfing is hard.
Always helps getting the occasional bit of guidance from an instructor. I also always tell my students that sometimes a lesser crowded spot as a less experienced surfer can be a better option on bigger days, especially if you’re finding yourself in the way a lot. Surfing is very difficult but if you keep working hard, like it sounds you do, you’ll eventually get there! Come and say hello in the water :)
Surf a less crowded spot maybe south of the border, you'll get more waves, and progress faster.. as you progress you'll realize snapper is literal hell and mostly avoid it..
Lots of work went into this video. Would you like to see more of this type of content? Is there anything you think we can improve on? Any constructive feedback would be greatly appreciated!
I surfed Pipe a few years ago (2018) for a month or two. There were some pretty agro locals making it perfectly clear I wasn’t welcome - for the entire 2 months. When back home, in Bali, a few months later, I bumped into one of the most aggressive Pipe locals when surfing Uluwatu. He didn’t give a damn about the fact he wasn’t a local: absolutely zero respect for anyone. And here lies the truth of localism: localism is carried out by 1st-class shiteheads, who don’t assume for a second that the rules apply to them when they leave their local break.
I noticed this is a common thing amongst that north shore crowd. They want free rein at their spots but as soon as they go somewhere else they expect everyone to worship them like “but, but, but I’m a PIPE surfer!”
Step 1. Paddle out
Step 2. Say hi to the locals
Step 3. Pay attention to who had the last wave
Step 4. Let the locals have a couple sets
Step 5. They’ll then call you into them
Step 6. Profit 🤙🏼
Few really good points there. Few extra in our video coming next week!
i think there’s a difference between localism, respect, and regulating but they all work hand in hand. localism/regulating is important so spots don’t turn into another version of malibu or snapper. it’s also essential for safety i remember surfing out at kaiser’s a few years ago and someone who shouldn’t be out in the water was getting in the way and ended up causing a collision which led to someone having to be transported in an ambulance to the hospital
Nice vid mate , it's complicated especially down you're way , communication is key like you said . So many people can't even respond when you ask them if they're "going " I'm not sure if it's arrogance or just people can't handle interactions these days .
Another thing if you've changed your mind late yell to the guy next to you "go,go,go"
The less wasted waves the better the vibes in the water. Cheers
Thanks mate! I always try and encourage everyone to go whatever waves they have a sniff at. I think the more waves everyone is catching 100% helps with good vibes in the water.
I’m all for a bit of localism. My usual spot handles a half dozen punters at best .
It’s a short wave with a narrow takeoff and lots of rocks.
Visitors don’t feel comfortable and without a friendly attitude don’t get many waves and don’t return.
When every other break is crowded this is a huge blessing.
Yup for sure, I do believe localism has its place and it sounds like it works at your spot.
Great insight James. I look forward to hearing more. 🤗
Thanks Todd! More coming soon!
Man navigating that tube with hoardes of people paddling out looked crazy
It’s one of the more difficult parts of navigating the tube at Snapper. Have seen a few broken and bloody noses from stray boards. Guess it adds to the excitement?
It’s a give and take mentality, locals have insights to the demographic of surfers in a wide area. We allow the locals from the next point south the benefits of taking off in the prime zone for similar exchange at their home break. We manage the parking and beach safely in order to have a pleasant experience. When the outsider show lack of respect by acting as if they have a carte blanche access and even try to exploit our timeless work of protecting the secret nature of our spot we fire back. No surf exploitation camera guy or internet exposure will earn respect anywhere. Learn your lesson, observe the regulations locals enforce and you’ll have a better recreation experience. Play ignorance and get shat on.
Well said mate! I agree entirely.
Born and raised in Hawaii you always had to earn your spot in a line up and we see so many fly ins that we have to be accommodated to traveling surfers but at the same time we want to surf our waves without hassles respect the locals and give them waves be cool with people around you and leave the attitude on the beach I love to travel and surf lots of different waves so I’ll be respectful when I show up at your break so do the same when you show up in Hawaii
Yup of course. Part 2 of this vid comes out this week and goes exactly into what you’re saying. I’ve spent a fair bit of time in Hawaii and plenty other spots in the world without any issues. It’s all a matter of respect and letting the locals get the waves they like 👌
The crowds get worse every day so locals get your heads around it and those of you and your mates having all the waves are over
I think there is a need for a pecking order but I go agree with what you’re saying.
Was Koa out at Deadmans that day? If so how did the locals treat him?
Yup Koa was out there and I heard his filmer got told not to film because he would make money from the vids they were making or something. I don't think he was treated entirely fairly to be honest although I didn't see anything bad happen to him in the water.
@@Kirrapointsurfschool Ah rad, looked like a gnarly swell, the locals told Koas filmer not to film? LOL, Tim Bonython must've been looming around somewhere there too.. Locals probably just trying to show him how gnarly they were or something hahah.. Big up, also, where do I pick up some KPSS merch?
@@UziMusic Yeah I find it a bit rich when there's so many filmers blowing the place up and you single one person out like that.
You can get merch here, appreciate the support mate!
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@@Kirrapointsurfschool rad, no probs, ill pick one up next week!
Koa got treated by the wave itself a right proper schooling as would be the case for us in Hawaii trying to learn the many moods of pipe or sunset ect
If your humble patient and respectful in Hawaii you’ll be allowed some scraps but if you want set waves then you’ve got to put your time in and earn it the right way
It’s just scarcity. Yeah I mean it’s not logically consistent to the ground rules that locals get essentially a license to drop in but it’s also just the way it is cause of scarcity and tourism. One shouldn’t be expecting to get the first pick of the waves at a spot you are new to and if you don’t just try to charge the more choice waves a few times, if the locals are decent, they will notice that and maybe you might get a better one. You do have to give a bit of respect coming into a spot you are new to. However, snapper sounds fucked lol, absolute nightmare.
Surfing can really have a lame and macho culture at times for something that can actually be viewed as transcendent and spiritual but it’s just cause it’s a crazy addiction that has an element of fickleness and scarcity to it cause of limited good waves, crowds and conditions. Just economics really.
Good vibes to all
Scarcity is the perfect word for the Gold Coast especially with a dying South swell. I tend to avoid those conditions as much as possible as it's almost impossible to get anything out there.
The give respect to earn respect is low hanging fruit. Respect should be earned and the best way to earn it is surf a spot consistently until you have earned that respect. I can understand not wanting to surf one spot all the time but that is your choice. You are going to have to show respect to the locals and its likely you won't get the respect you are looking for because you have chosen to be a journeyman surfer. Its unfair to the people who dedicate their life to their neighborhood surfspot to think you are entitled to a certain amount of respect by them whenever you show up to a surf spot.
I agree entirely with what you’re saying and I feel like my video states that although I enjoy surfing different surf spots in my local area. I’m not going to travel to spots I don’t frequent often and expect waves but I’ve put enough time in at a number of different spots on the Gold Coast. Part 2 comes out this week and dives deeper into exactly what you’re saying 👌
Respect the lineup not localism 🤙🏽
I like this point of view 👌
Localism is great until you go and surf somebody else’s wave and on the receiving end but most of these blokes don’t go anywhere else I have never been a local anywhere I’ve surfed for 40 years and given my whole life to surfing travelling all over the world consider myself to be more of a surfer than any of these people i’m always nice to everybody in the water even kooks
Appreciate the comment Martin. It’s a tough one. Localism can feel so frustrating at times. I feel like kindness is the way to go to everyone in the water.
Us non locals call it wanker rock.
Lol kooks
So helpful thanks mate ☺️
if you see a leaner blue board and snapper, please be gentle, i love that place and just trying to learn, sometimes, the current just puts me in the wrong sport and it takes all my energy to get out of if, so if i am in your way, its because of the currents , i always stay away from the drop zone, but the drop zone is a magnet so sometimes u get into the wrong spot, surfing is hard.
Always helps getting the occasional bit of guidance from an instructor. I also always tell my students that sometimes a lesser crowded spot as a less experienced surfer can be a better option on bigger days, especially if you’re finding yourself in the way a lot. Surfing is very difficult but if you keep working hard, like it sounds you do, you’ll eventually get there! Come and say hello in the water :)
You don't need to surf busy spots to learn. You will get better faster if you surf lesser quality waves by yourself.
@@goyim6866 I agree with this but some people feel safer with other surfers around them. The ocean can be a pretty scary place.
Surf a less crowded spot maybe south of the border, you'll get more waves, and progress faster.. as you progress you'll realize snapper is literal hell and mostly avoid it..
DONT EXPECT ANY FAVORS WHEN SURFING OUTSIDE UR HOME BREAK IF UR A LOCALISM FREAK
Too true