I like Michael Ellis' comment below big-time. I'd be interested in a video using shorter golf shafts on the driver and woods. First, I play the G400 in all my woods and hybrids. I was struggling with dispersion with the driver. Distance was ok for what I wanted, but inconsistency in dispersion was not what I wanted. Find fairway or just miss, score pretty well. Find the heavier rough or worse, scoring affected and too much pressure on recovery or wedge game. Since my driver dictates how I score more than any other club, I started experimenting with shaft lengths. Personally, I found dispersion was much better (control of the club) without a loss in distance (240-250 yards average drive). So then I tried the same with my 3 and 5 wood. Same again. Better contact, even a little more distance. So now I play a 42.5 inch 3-wood shaft in my driver, a 5-wood shaft in my 3-wood, and a 7-wood shaft in my 5-wood. It's helped me control the club much better, and allows me to swing more freely (confidence) believing I can control my dispersion and distance. Just my experience for what it's worth.
Winner of a video, I've been looking for "is my iron shot the same as my driver" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Have you heard people talk about - Reyuhaffad Underlying Recognition - (Have a quick look on google cant remember the place now ) ? It is a smashing exclusive product for discovering how to revealing an effortless golf swing technique minus the headache. Ive heard some incredible things about it and my m8 got excellent results with it.
I played a 1" or shorter driver for many years. I recently went into a Ventus Black 5x that's only a 1/4 inch shorter than stock. It's a beast and I don't get pull draws anymore. But it's driver head to shaft to shaft length to grip model/size to shoe to tee height to golf ball. Everything should be fitted as best as possible.
I was fitted for +1/2 inch but I play standard. The dynamics of my swing, when I play "fitted" clubs, I hit TONS of fat shots. As you mentioned the weight, another reason I play standard is I like my irons around D3, +1/2 brought my swing weight up to D6. The problem I could see moving into longer clubs than fitted, would be control. If a 5i length 7i was key, guys on tour would do it, the main ingredient is control, the longest club you can control. Great Video James.
James thank you so much for doing this video. I recently bought p790 irons and did not notice they are a half inch shorter than my M2 irons. I struggled with this for weeks and no one gave me a clear answer, this video helped me so much. Your now my favorite
I am very vertically challenged. I play usually with my clubs an inch shorter and my driver is 43.5" keep in mind I'm only 5'4. My putter is 2.3" shorter just because I like to choke down so now I can just hold it normally.
I have actually witnessed players gaining distance and club speed from shorter clubs simply due to them being properly fitted to their posture. If you look at club speed from the 9 iron to the long irons it really is not much of a difference despite being inches longer. Just food for thought. The difference would be less than a couple yards for most players, if anything at all.
Clubs too long actually make your swing shorter because the upper body it out of sync and ur hips are done rotating. Its why swing speed usually is near the same given an inch adjustment shorter will actually give u a longer backswing which means more speed. Also long shafts cause toe strikes because ur set farther from the ball and when the club leaves the ground u lose your posture and most likely toe strike it at impact due to standing too far from the ball.
Makes a massive difference. I was using stock irons and am 6’4”. Now I’m fitted I’m +1” and 2up. Completely changed my game. Way more consistent and handicap came down from 9 to 5
James Stone in my irons I have heavier stiff shafts. KBS 120s I think they are. In my hybrid and 3wood they’re heavier x flex 100g and 80g but then my driver is a lighter x flex.... 63g! Work all that out.... it’s just what I’ve come to like over trying a few different ones out. My driver swing speed is about 108-112 so right inbetween stiff and xstiff apparently!
@@rossyhead69 thanks for the speedy reply. I've got all regular flex shafts (due to being a very high handicap 🤦♂️ and I can't justify spending the money for custom fitted clubs until i can get it down so I just buy second hand at the moment) I'm hitting my driver 290 yards at the moment (chasing 300 🤞) what distance are you getting with your current setup?
James Stone my driver carries about 270 but has gone further, drove the 16th at Castle Stuart on Saturday which was 310. 3wood about 250, 3iron 230, 4iron 215, 5iron 200, 6iron 185, 7iron 170, 8iron 158, 9iron 145, pw 130, 50degree 120, 54degree 105 and 58degree 90. Roughly!!
As you know James, I was fitted for the Ping G410 driver with a 3/4 inch shorter shaft. While the head speed may have fallen slightly the fact I hit more shots from the centre of the face meant they went further with a more consistent ball flight 👍
I had my driver shaft shortened by 0.75" from 45.25" to 44.5" (note you need to add some weight head to compensate for loss of shaft length). Have not noticed loss of distance but definitely improved dispersion
I was fitted recently, and have always used standard length shafts but was fitted into 1 inch longer. I'm not overly tall at 5'11 so found it very interesting and was quite suprised. Very keen to see how they go....
It absolutely does! I am quite short and always played standard length clubs. When I got fitted they put me in half inch shorter irons, and an inch shorter on my driver and boy did it help, lost very little distance but I can find the fairway every time unless I do something stupid lol
@Tucson Jim I have mentioned shorter shafts on clubs I not interested in your speil the comment was for James as I would be interested to see the results S I'm sure others would be
I have Nike vr pro blades I’ve learned to golf with and currently still play. My 4 iron was accidentally reshafted +1 and it took a LONG time to be able to hit it. The gap between my 4 and 5 iron is equivalent to a gap between a 7 and a 9 iron. My 5 will fly 195-210 and the 4 now goes 225-235 (fade/draw) Never reshafted it properly so I just kind of use it as a driving/fairway finder iron
I was just messing about with my 11 year olds clubs in the garden and some practice balls and couldn't believe how well I was hitting, and I felt I was getting into some really great positions. Took them to the range to hit some proper balls and this carried on. I'm now serious about getting my clubs shortened my about one inch.
Great video.. I had a driver fitting (Callaway). I was fitted for standard length shaft 45.5. I just happed to have a fitting for a 3 wood and the fitter asked about my driver..after a little bit of work I now have a 44.5 inch shaft in my driver.. club speed is up dispersions better and no difference in distance
I use Mizuno Jpx 919 hot metals with a half inch extension (because of how tall I am) and it makes my shot a lot more natural feeling! Getting fit for your clubs is key
I may be wrong but I think mizuno's standard length is slightly shorter. Apparently it's because in Asia the average human height is lower than other parts of the world so the club's come either .5" or .75" shorter *I can't remember which) than some other manufacturers standard length.
I once asked our pro to lengthen an old 8 iron to 4 iron length. He warned me that this probably wouldn't work, and he was right. Totally uncontrollable.
I bought the p790’s and absolutely love them Getting used to the distances however, these clubs hit long As far as shaft length, my ping’s were +1” and I have noticed I am striking more on the toe. Great vid!!!!
HI, did you get shortened? just wondering as have g425 irons graphite +1" and seem to be hitting a lot of shots to the right, , I'm just over 6 feet tall, but have shoulder and knee injury so can't make full back swing, appreciate any feed back,
Your vid just highlights the need to get fitted by a Master Club Fitter. Earlier this year I got fitted for a new set of Orka Irons, the shafts ended up being 15grams heavier, they were + 1/2" long (I usually have +1") and the lie angle was 2deg flat (instead of 2deg upright). The difference has been startling, my new Iron, the shots are suddenly so much crisper & longer despite Orka having traditional lofts!
A lot of good comments down below so I’ll keep this simple... Great video! Would love to see you do a test with shorter shafts. Maybe even a mid handicap test with both longer and shorter shafts? I’ve found that I always hit the ball a little better when I grip down a touch... so I make that my standard setup for my 3/4 (finesse) swing. It’s my go to shot whenever I can use it. **My clubs are all standard length but 1* flat.
Use Green dot Pings fitted in 2015 . When Fitted in 2019 for G400 Max the fitter said 45" and regular flex. I'd always played stiff and longer in the past. At age 62 and having had a significant layoff from competition i trusted his choice but it just went way too high on course. So i started fiddling about with shafts , off the net etc:. The fix was going from 45" stock Alta CB to 48" Stiff Smoke .. yes forty eight inches !! finally I can feel the where my driver is in the backswing and joy of joys its longer and Straight.
I have found that for the driver, shaft length makes a big difference. Longer shafts should theoretically mean more distance because the 'lever' is longer thereby creating more club speed. But I have found that with a shorter driver my wrists get more active and I generate more speed that way. It must be because the angles are different. Suggestion to the readers: go to the range and hit drivers choking up on the grip an inch or two. You will see what I mean. It feels like you can torque the heck out of the ball, LOL! I am thinking this same thing happens with irons but it is not as noticeable. So, there is the optimum length to create speed both with the wrists and with the 'lever' length of the shaft. I would say, do what Mr. Robinson did. Test the irons and drivers with different length shafts. As he said, it is easy to do with today's technology.
Great vlog James! I play the “old” P790 in standard length and I do enjoy them! I expected the longer shaft to go further with more ball speed. If the shaft is longer did you play it forward in your stance more to adjust?
A bit of trig says 1" on a driver, is 1.5 degrees change in shaft angle, if nothing else alters. I like 1" longer, but then gripping down a fraction. That gives me options to go up or down to adjust for ground slope. And yes, a flatter angle means harder to control, IMHO. So there is a trade off against length vs confidence of hit. What it does to swing weight, not sure. Current clubs - standard woods (9 degree driver), Irons JPX 800 Pro, 2 degree upright , 1" long, graphite shaft, Steel weight heads
@@BuffaloBarber24 5' 11"" these days. Shafts all 1" longer than standard, 2 degrees upright. But due to injury, I have a held off release. Definitely unusual!
I’ve just moved to 1/2 inch longer in my irons, after being fitted/measured, so this will be really interesting to watch! I’m expecting to hear that it changes strike and there is marginal gains regarding distance. But let’s hope it turns me into an iron striking legend!!! 😂⛳️🏌️♂️🤙
I am 6'4" and 14/16'" tall. So basically 6'5" tall. 14 years ago, I got fitted for a +3'4" length and +3 lie. They felt so much better than standard length and lie irons that I have always used. The +3 lie especially made my swing so much more natural. This setup has worked pretty good, but after using them for years, I still feel like they're too short. I recently got fitted again. I tried a 1", 1.25", and a 1.5" length, all on a +3 lie. The 1.5" length felt the best and most natural for my swing today. I'm thinking part of the reason why is because my arms are short for how tall I am. So I need that extra club length to feel comfortable in my swing. Just bought new clubs and awaiting for them to be built. Can't wait to use them!
Did you do anything to adjust for the flex given the extra length like going with a stiffer flex or a combination of a different flex with a hard step/soft step? Thanks!
wow, very interesting, It puts to bed a lot of these arguments you hear at the range about having longer clubs to hit longer shots this doesn't necessarily equate as you've shown, what really makes longer shots is better ball striking. great video James.
I’m 6’3 and been fitted years ago and feedback was 1 inch longer and 2 degrees upright. Couldn’t stop pulling it left and shanking!!!! Made my own mind up to trial standard length loft and lie. Never hit it straighter or flighted it better! Never looked back. Be careful with club fitting. I’m a low handicap golf and fortunately know my own swing. I coach myself after being coached by major winning gurus. Take control of your own shit! 👍
The slowest clubhead speed had the highest ball speed. Very interesting that. Be good to try this with a higher handicap tester to see? Centred strike is always the key!
I’m 6’5 and mine are 1 & 1/4 longer. I don’t think they’re long enough if I’m brutally honest. I play off 11.3 and I shot a 78 (6 over) the other day with them. My wedges and 2 iron are 1 inch longer and driver and 3 wood are standard length. All my clubs except wedges (midsize) have jumbo grips and they help so much. My putter is a Scotty Cameron Pro Platinum and that is 36.5 inch. I extended them all myself. I will get fitted properly soon but everyone says I need at least an inch.
I would like your professional opinion on an idea that has been in my mind for quite some time. Do you think it would be a good idea to have a split set but in terms of length? Meaning Pitching wedge thru 7 iron are standard lengths but then shorten 6i, 5i, and 4i to make the longer irons easier to play.
Bang on 6ft1 and play half inch longer with 2° flat. Made a big difference to me for finding the centre of the club more often and to my turf interaction. But I'm no where near the suggested length for my height with my driver. I play a 3wood shaft. Works for me though.
Any chance of similar with the driver but the opposite way round, shorter shaft? Use a 3 wood length shaft in my driver, lost a bit of distance on my best best strike but consistency of strike means I’d say I’m averaging further
Same issue as new longer driver shafts, added swing speed does not necessarily mean longer distance because center strikes may become inconsistent. James, looks like you might want to consider adding .5" to your irons though.
I know this post is 2 years old but i got fitted for the ping 425 and the half in longer ping standard shaft was an eye opener for me as i could see the ball better at strike, my chin was up higher and freed up my swing no end , will be getting shaft extenders for my iorns "ping blueprint blades " as ordering a new set is too expensive , hoping for the hole that occurs in my glove at the palm to stop as i go through gloves every 3 rounds
Interesting vid I went for a fitting 2 years ago and until recently I was gaming Wilson irons that were half an inch longer, went for an updated fitting two months ago and got fitted for the new p790 standard length I haven’t lost any distance but my dispersion has got tighter across all clubs absolutely love them but still unsure how two fittings can give you two different lengths 🤔
Stuart it depends what the original length of the shaft is to start with. Even with the same manufacturer there can be 1/2" difference across different models.
Hi first. I have a question. I bought a Ping G425 Hybrid 5 last winter because I didn't consistently hit my 5 iron the season before last. Well, last season I trained a lot and did very well with my 5 iron. Total width are both at 170m. The only difference currently is that the hybrid carry has 8m more. This now makes the hybrid superfluous. Since I can adjust the loft and lie of the Hybrid, I thought of lengthening the shaft to get a few more meters. Can this work? Best regards from Germany.
I am currently playing a set of 2018 P790 irons with KBS Tour C-Taper Lite x-flex shafts. 1/2" longer than standard and bent 2 degrees stronger than standard.
I use +1" longer @ 1 degree upright. I want to go for a driver fitting - Cobra F9 comes in Tour Length - 44.25" - and I'm intrigued. I've had better luck with more consistent ball strikes with a shorter shaft. The standard F9 comes with 14 and 2 g weights. The Tour Length has 18 and 6 g weights. Both are D3. I'm curious about putting the 2 g weight in the front of the Tour Length to see what happens with ball flight. Will it make the ball go straighter? It'll lower the SW to probably C9, but that's what I play now.
I've been playing +1" for years now - so the comments around "it no looks like a 5-iron" don't resonate as I always judge a club by the amount of face I can see at address. James, when you got fit for your Mizuno set, did they test with various shaft lengths? Reason I'm asking is that in my experience most fitters don't - they just look at the player and make a judgement call or just go with what the player tells them - which is quite sad.
In my experience most fitters will generally eyeball your general height, arm length etc and then your swing before making any recommendations. I'm 5ft 8in which is pretty much standard height. So, most fitters I've worked with have checked to see if I am hitting the middle of the face at standard length before suggesting changes. The one change they almost always make with me is to flatten the lie a touch BECAUSE I tend to hook the ball. Not because of my height.
Great video again James and enjoyable, yep I am currently gaming the new P790 irons although I am going back to see my fitter tomorrow evening because I’m finding the heads too light whichever is going to put right for me
I bought my ping s57 irons 2nd hand and they are 1/4 inch shaft length difference between them. I don't know what this should do but it seems ok. What difference should this make? 👍 ☺
I've played standard length iron for about half a year en got a really annoying back pain after a round. Got fitted for two inch longer irons en never looked back since.
As I am still watching the video and not read comments so its likely this has been mentioned either in the video or comments. SWING WEIGHT!! An Inch can make a big difference in swing weight. How about using a shorter than standard shaft? How about the consistencies and numbers with that setup?
I have standard length jpx923’s and can hit my 7 iron around a consistent smooth 180m. BUT my shot are so inconsistent in direction/aim. I have some older clubs around an inch short and my accuracy and control was far greater but lost some distance. Distance isn’t my problem. Is it worth cutting new clubs down if this seems to be the case?? Once I cut them down I can’t don’t want to regret it as I’m running kbs 130 xs. And don’t want to pay for 8 new shafts
James should you have changed the ( lie ) angle of the club head to fit the added length of each shaft, which then should have improved your strike. One of my cousins who is much taller had longer clubs bent more upright, there was no way I could hit them well without changing my swing to do so, and I wasn't doing that to hit anyone's clubs and messing with my swings timing and strike. Getting fit for club length very important, good video, thanks.
My irons Ping i3 Oversize Irons - Maroon Dot +2 length. I am 6'3 with shorter arm length. Been using these for many years now, just started noticing I been hitting them better choking up a bit. Might be time for a new fitting and some new irons.
Hey James, i was really excited about the single length clubs until I found out the clubs were 7 iron length. I broke my back in 4 places, my leg, heel and ankle, so my flexibility is shot. I need my 3456 irons their traditional length or longer, but i can surely deal with the 7 through wedge being 7 iron length. Maybe i have to build my own or cobble together two sets.
I use standard length and lies in my irons. I would expect the shots to be farther right with each of the 2 extra length shafts since you might not get the clubhead around as quickly to get it squared up. For my driver and 3 wood, the shafts are shorter. I think my driver is 44.25 and the 3 wood is 42.5 or 42.75. It's been a while since I got them.
Hi James love the content, I'm looking to update my utility 2 iron. I'm thinking ping g410 crossover or the callaway x forged utility iron, both in a 2 iron. You've reviewed the ping if your able could you do a head to head for them both
@@kourt2469 I guess lie angle would change slightly too. Although for me, I couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo so it's unlikely to make much difference at all 🤣
i'm 5' 5'' and i play with + 1.5'' . took a wile to get used to it but it stopped me topping the ball. in my group of friends they think the pro was drunk when i got fitted but it does work for me
Thankyou for this video. Being 6 ft 2 with long arms I have been wondering if longer clubs would make a difference. I guess the standout stat was height for me, I'm not too bothered about the distance as I can hit it fairly far, but the height I'd gain might do me some good. I think the stats would of been more decisive had you had someone the right height for the +1 inch club. It may be worth doing it going the opposite way and seeing what shorter clubs do. I have to ask, so how does the lie angle take effect ? , could you maybe do a video hitting different lie angles please ? That's if it's worth doing i wouldn't have a clue. Oh and congrats to the fella who won the 500 quid golf clubs 4 cash voucher :D
James, I know this is an old video but just realized that you sport that Adidas hat most of the time and just needed to point out that Adidas makes the most comfortable golf hat ever made. The best
Can you maybe try to take a 5 iron head and put it on a 7 iron shaft? I know they have one length clubs, but what about heads that are not made for one length clubs, like the P790.
Spot on James. At what point is difference significant. As you say 2 or 3 metres is marginal and maybe 10 metres is the point where a difference is real. Good stoof old fellow.
Also... look at the specs for the p-790. They are 1/4 inch shorter than standard length. Similar to mizuno shaft lengths. I found this weird when testing them with the fitter at my club. They ultimately hit shots that were too hot, having no real distance control and terrible gapping at the low end of the set into the wedges. Not a players iron by any stretch of the imagination and more suited to a mid to high handicapper, or senior golfer with low ball speed. We arrived at the Callaway X Forged irons, which suited me much better and have excellent distance control. No hot flyers, no bouncy feeling on chips and with the x forged I can hit the ball low, which was very difficult with the p-790, which no matter how hard I tried refused to play a punch cut. Just my opinion, but they are truly terrible irons lol.
Some strange numbers James you would of thought the standard too be the shortest and slowest ball speed etc etc but the numbers were mixed up! Yes I know it’s strike dependent but with 10 shots each you would expect the averages too even themselves out. If that makes sense!!! I know what I mean lol anyway just goes too show longest sometimes is not the best😜😜😜
I bought a WILSON D100 lightweight driver 12degrees. It was so light I had no POWER to hitvthe ball. ( Think of a train hitting you, or a feather). So I was able to extend the shaft 1.5 inches and add a pair of 5g lead strips to rhe sole to get the shot shape I wanted. I gained 30 yards overnight on a £34.99 second hand driver.!! 😂😂😂😂 Loving it. ( From average 190 carry, to 220 average carry. FYI ).
just bought some second hand titleist tmb irons without realising they were half inch longer,played a couple of rounds before even noticing but hit them the best i've hit irons for years,weird!
Here's something you might find interesting. I have a set of MacGregor irons 2 thru 9 iron, Jack Nicklaus Model that I purchased in 1964, 60 years ago with original leather grips still on. Today at 76 years old, 5 feet 8 inches tall I play custom fitted Ben Hogan Irons purchased a few years back, Both sets were standard length for the time, My MacGregor 2 iron is the same exact length as my Hogan 5 iron. Comparing 5 irons from each set today's Hogan 5 iron is 2 inches longer than the 1964 model. Over the years club's have become markedly longer and hence account for more overall distance, However, I really believe they have become too long for the average player. I'm a decent player, 3 handicap form the forward tees given my age yet I think many players would be better off with shorter shorter length clubs.. I can tell you its much easier to swing the 1964 model but it doesn't have the technology of today. Still when I do strike the ball with the 1964 model there's not a whole lot of difference in distance....
I use 1/5 inch longer to give better distance and also have a fairly up right stance. Now don’t really feel there is much difference is I use a standard length.
James Robinson Golf I was foaming at the mouth over the MP-20 line from the first time I saw them. Was going to get a blended set but hit the HMB 7 better than the regular blade, and the top line of the set is similar to the JPX-900, so I stuck with HMB throughout. Only played one round with them, but practicing all the time at the range. No more difficult to play than the JPX.
Interesting! You are roughly the same height as me but my AP2s are -1* flat of standard because I tend to hook the ball. (Titleist standard is slightly upright though) Am I correct in assuming that you have a natural left to right ball flight then? I've really considered trying the Mizuno MP-20 line as they are offering us lefties a mixed set that closely matches What I have now in my T-MB / AP2 set now....We'll see!
Lefty SoCal Golfer Yes, my, er, “good” ones are a soft fade. The fitter initially looked over the PING fitting chart and told me I’d be flat, but I knew from past fittings that I was at least a degree up. He was trying to avoid using the Mizuno shaft optimizer tool, and I wondered why until he told me no one there knew how to use it. But I pretty much insisted and he found the ONE person in that PGA TOUR Superstore that knew how it worked.
@@joeperez3520Underdstood! My "good ones" are genrally push draws...my not so good ones are Pull draws! I'll though I've been working on hitting a fade for a while now, especially from inside 150yds, and it's getting easier! :0)
I like Michael Ellis' comment below big-time. I'd be interested in a video using shorter golf shafts on the driver and woods. First, I play the G400 in all my woods and hybrids. I was struggling with dispersion with the driver. Distance was ok for what I wanted, but inconsistency in dispersion was not what I wanted. Find fairway or just miss, score pretty well. Find the heavier rough or worse, scoring affected and too much pressure on recovery or wedge game. Since my driver dictates how I score more than any other club, I started experimenting with shaft lengths. Personally, I found dispersion was much better (control of the club) without a loss in distance (240-250 yards average drive). So then I tried the same with my 3 and 5 wood. Same again. Better contact, even a little more distance. So now I play a 42.5 inch 3-wood shaft in my driver, a 5-wood shaft in my 3-wood, and a 7-wood shaft in my 5-wood. It's helped me control the club much better, and allows me to swing more freely (confidence) believing I can control my dispersion and distance. Just my experience for what it's worth.
Winner of a video, I've been looking for "is my iron shot the same as my driver" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Have you heard people talk about - Reyuhaffad Underlying Recognition - (Have a quick look on google cant remember the place now ) ? It is a smashing exclusive product for discovering how to revealing an effortless golf swing technique minus the headache. Ive heard some incredible things about it and my m8 got excellent results with it.
I played a 1" or shorter driver for many years. I recently went into a Ventus Black 5x that's only a 1/4 inch shorter than stock. It's a beast and I don't get pull draws anymore.
But it's driver head to shaft to shaft length to grip model/size to shoe to tee height to golf ball. Everything should be fitted as best as possible.
I was fitted for +1/2 inch but I play standard. The dynamics of my swing, when I play "fitted" clubs, I hit TONS of fat shots. As you mentioned the weight, another reason I play standard is I like my irons around D3, +1/2 brought my swing weight up to D6. The problem I could see moving into longer clubs than fitted, would be control. If a 5i length 7i was key, guys on tour would do it, the main ingredient is control, the longest club you can control. Great Video James.
James thank you so much for doing this video. I recently bought p790 irons and did not notice they are a half inch shorter than my M2 irons. I struggled with this for weeks and no one gave me a clear answer, this video helped me so much. Your now my favorite
I think I need to look at mine. The wife said my shaft needs to be an inch longer. 🤔
Lee Watson even my wife said that about you lee
@@deanlahaye6559 They all say that Lee.
Don't worry Lee, she'e probably not using the right grip.
@@deanlahaye6559 tell her I said hi.
She will ring you later Lee 😂😂
Maybe you should do another test for those vertically challenged golfers. 1/2" shorter and 1" shorter. You may be surprised by the results.
I am very vertically challenged. I play usually with my clubs an inch shorter and my driver is 43.5" keep in mind I'm only 5'4. My putter is 2.3" shorter just because I like to choke down so now I can just hold it normally.
Robert Phillips chill with the vertically challenged. I’m short, you’re short. Don’t need to sugar coat it.
I have actually witnessed players gaining distance and club speed from shorter clubs simply due to them being properly fitted to their posture. If you look at club speed from the 9 iron to the long irons it really is not much of a difference despite being inches longer. Just food for thought. The difference would be less than a couple yards for most players, if anything at all.
Clubs too long actually make your swing shorter because the upper body it out of sync and ur hips are done rotating. Its why swing speed usually is near the same given an inch adjustment shorter will actually give u a longer backswing which means more speed. Also long shafts cause toe strikes because ur set farther from the ball and when the club leaves the ground u lose your posture and most likely toe strike it at impact due to standing too far from the ball.
Makes a massive difference. I was using stock irons and am 6’4”. Now I’m fitted I’m +1” and 2up.
Completely changed my game. Way more consistent and handicap came down from 9 to 5
What flex shaft do you use? I'm also 6'4" and I'm struggling with my current irons so any extra information from a fella my size is great 👍
James Stone in my irons I have heavier stiff shafts. KBS 120s I think they are. In my hybrid and 3wood they’re heavier x flex 100g and 80g but then my driver is a lighter x flex.... 63g! Work all that out.... it’s just what I’ve come to like over trying a few different ones out. My driver swing speed is about 108-112 so right inbetween stiff and xstiff apparently!
@@rossyhead69 thanks for the speedy reply.
I've got all regular flex shafts (due to being a very high handicap 🤦♂️ and I can't justify spending the money for custom fitted clubs until i can get it down so I just buy second hand at the moment)
I'm hitting my driver 290 yards at the moment (chasing 300 🤞) what distance are you getting with your current setup?
James Stone my driver carries about 270 but has gone further, drove the 16th at Castle Stuart on Saturday which was 310. 3wood about 250, 3iron 230, 4iron 215, 5iron 200, 6iron 185, 7iron 170, 8iron 158, 9iron 145, pw 130, 50degree 120, 54degree 105 and 58degree 90.
Roughly!!
James Stone ps good effort hitting it that far!! Doubtful you’ll be a high handicap for long with that sort of speed!
As you know James, I was fitted for the Ping G410 driver with a 3/4 inch shorter shaft. While the head speed may have fallen slightly the fact I hit more shots from the centre of the face meant they went further with a more consistent ball flight 👍
I had my driver shaft shortened by 0.75" from 45.25" to 44.5" (note you need to add some weight head to compensate for loss of shaft length). Have not noticed loss of distance but definitely improved dispersion
I was fitted recently, and have always used standard length shafts but was fitted into 1 inch longer. I'm not overly tall at 5'11 so found it very interesting and was quite suprised. Very keen to see how they go....
hi, same here, used standard got fitted into 1" longer graphite Shafts, how you finding them?
You should test shorter by half an inch and one inch too James
Seriously!
Any chance of same idea with a driver to see if a shorter shaft improves control/dispersion
Absolutely mate
@Tucson Jim I've been told that a driver sahft that is an inch/half an inch improves. Control
It absolutely does! I am quite short and always played standard length clubs. When I got fitted they put me in half inch shorter irons, and an inch shorter on my driver and boy did it help, lost very little distance but I can find the fairway every time unless I do something stupid lol
@Tucson Jim I have mentioned shorter shafts on clubs I not interested in your speil the comment was for James as I would be interested to see the results S I'm sure others would be
@Tucson Jim no because I not talking about irons, I said Driver not irons re read the comment I posted.
I have Nike vr pro blades I’ve learned to golf with and currently still play. My 4 iron was accidentally reshafted +1 and it took a LONG time to be able to hit it. The gap between my 4 and 5 iron is equivalent to a gap between a 7 and a 9 iron. My 5 will fly 195-210 and the 4 now goes 225-235 (fade/draw)
Never reshafted it properly so I just kind of use it as a driving/fairway finder iron
I am gaming the P790s (2017) with KBS Tour stiff shafts (1,5 inch longer)! Dropped in HCP from 18 to 11 in 1,5 yr! Best irons in the market!
I was just messing about with my 11 year olds clubs in the garden and some practice balls and couldn't believe how well I was hitting, and I felt I was getting into some really great positions. Took them to the range to hit some proper balls and this carried on. I'm now serious about getting my clubs shortened my about one inch.
Great video.. I had a driver fitting (Callaway). I was fitted for standard length shaft 45.5.
I just happed to have a fitting for a 3 wood and the fitter asked about my driver..after a little bit of work I now have a 44.5 inch shaft in my driver.. club speed is up dispersions better and no difference in distance
I use Mizuno Jpx 919 hot metals with a half inch extension (because of how tall I am) and it makes my shot a lot more natural feeling! Getting fit for your clubs is key
I may be wrong but I think mizuno's standard length is slightly shorter. Apparently it's because in Asia the average human height is lower than other parts of the world so the club's come either .5" or .75" shorter *I can't remember which) than some other manufacturers standard length.
I once asked our pro to lengthen an old 8 iron to 4 iron length. He warned me that this probably wouldn't work, and he was right. Totally uncontrollable.
I bought the p790’s and absolutely love them
Getting used to the distances however, these clubs hit long
As far as shaft length, my ping’s were +1” and I have noticed I am striking more on the toe.
Great vid!!!!
HI, did you get shortened? just wondering as have g425 irons graphite +1" and seem to be hitting a lot of shots to the right, , I'm just over 6 feet tall, but have shoulder and knee injury so can't make full back swing, appreciate any feed back,
@@jonwright8236 no I stuck to standard length but had them adjusted 2 degrees upright, I now play the Apeks 21
Your vid just highlights the need to get fitted by a Master Club Fitter.
Earlier this year I got fitted for a new set of Orka Irons, the shafts ended up being 15grams heavier, they were + 1/2" long (I usually have +1") and the lie angle was 2deg flat (instead of 2deg upright).
The difference has been startling, my new Iron, the shots are suddenly so much crisper & longer despite Orka having traditional lofts!
A lot of good comments down below so I’ll keep this simple...
Great video!
Would love to see you do a test with shorter shafts. Maybe even a mid handicap test with both longer and shorter shafts?
I’ve found that I always hit the ball a little better when I grip down a touch... so I make that my standard setup for my 3/4 (finesse) swing. It’s my go to shot whenever I can use it.
**My clubs are all standard length but 1* flat.
James, interesting to note your smash factor with the + half inch shaft it's much better than the standard and the inch longer shafts
Use Green dot Pings fitted in 2015 . When Fitted in 2019 for G400 Max the fitter said 45" and regular flex. I'd always played stiff and longer in the past. At age 62 and having had a significant layoff from competition i trusted his choice but it just went way too high on course. So i started fiddling about with shafts , off the net etc:. The fix was going from 45" stock Alta CB to 48" Stiff Smoke .. yes forty eight inches !! finally I can feel the where my driver is in the backswing and joy of joys its longer and Straight.
I do love the studio, it’s gorgeous
I have found that for the driver, shaft length makes a big difference. Longer shafts should theoretically mean more distance because the 'lever' is longer thereby creating more club speed. But I have found that with a shorter driver my wrists get more active and I generate more speed that way. It must be because the angles are different. Suggestion to the readers: go to the range and hit drivers choking up on the grip an inch or two. You will see what I mean. It feels like you can torque the heck out of the ball, LOL! I am thinking this same thing happens with irons but it is not as noticeable. So, there is the optimum length to create speed both with the wrists and with the 'lever' length of the shaft. I would say, do what Mr. Robinson did. Test the irons and drivers with different length shafts. As he said, it is easy to do with today's technology.
Yes I play the P790S it is last year model love them but going back to get new shafts. I think Steal is better than Graf
Great vlog James! I play the “old” P790 in standard length and I do enjoy them! I expected the longer shaft to go further with more ball speed. If the shaft is longer did you play it forward in your stance more to adjust?
A bit of trig says 1" on a driver, is 1.5 degrees change in shaft angle, if nothing else alters.
I like 1" longer, but then gripping down a fraction. That gives me options to go up or down to adjust for ground slope. And yes, a flatter angle means harder to control, IMHO. So there is a trade off against length vs confidence of hit. What it does to swing weight, not sure.
Current clubs - standard woods (9 degree driver), Irons JPX 800 Pro, 2 degree upright , 1" long, graphite shaft, Steel weight heads
How tall are you ?
@@BuffaloBarber24 5' 11"" these days. Shafts all 1" longer than standard, 2 degrees upright. But due to injury, I have a held off release. Definitely unusual!
1/2” shorter would be interesting to include, suspect it will help dispersion
I’ve just moved to 1/2 inch longer in my irons, after being fitted/measured, so this will be really interesting to watch! I’m expecting to hear that it changes strike and there is marginal gains regarding distance. But let’s hope it turns me into an iron striking legend!!! 😂⛳️🏌️♂️🤙
Any better mate ?
Update? Did it work for you?
I am 6'4" and 14/16'" tall. So basically 6'5" tall. 14 years ago, I got fitted for a +3'4" length and +3 lie. They felt so much better than standard length and lie irons that I have always used. The +3 lie especially made my swing so much more natural. This setup has worked pretty good, but after using them for years, I still feel like they're too short. I recently got fitted again. I tried a 1", 1.25", and a 1.5" length, all on a +3 lie. The 1.5" length felt the best and most natural for my swing today. I'm thinking part of the reason why is because my arms are short for how tall I am. So I need that extra club length to feel comfortable in my swing. Just bought new clubs and awaiting for them to be built. Can't wait to use them!
Did you do anything to adjust for the flex given the extra length like going with a stiffer flex or a combination of a different flex with a hard step/soft step? Thanks!
wow, very interesting, It puts to bed a lot of these arguments you hear at the range about having longer clubs to hit longer shots this doesn't necessarily equate as you've shown, what really makes longer shots is better ball striking. great video James.
I think the lesson today is: Longer CAN be better.....but only if it actually suits you! Longer can also completely ruin your game if it doesn't!
I’m 6’3 and been fitted years ago and feedback was 1 inch longer and 2 degrees upright. Couldn’t stop pulling it left and shanking!!!! Made my own mind up to trial standard length loft and lie. Never hit it straighter or flighted it better! Never looked back. Be careful with club fitting. I’m a low handicap golf and fortunately know my own swing. I coach myself after being coached by major winning gurus. Take control of your own shit! 👍
The slowest clubhead speed had the highest ball speed. Very interesting that. Be good to try this with a higher handicap tester to see? Centred strike is always the key!
I’m 6’5 and mine are 1 & 1/4 longer. I don’t think they’re long enough if I’m brutally honest. I play off 11.3 and I shot a 78 (6 over) the other day with them. My wedges and 2 iron are 1 inch longer and driver and 3 wood are standard length. All my clubs except wedges (midsize) have jumbo grips and they help so much. My putter is a Scotty Cameron Pro Platinum and that is 36.5 inch. I extended them all myself. I will get fitted properly soon but everyone says I need at least an inch.
I wonder how much is related to how you're delivering the club to ball rather than just height. I'm 6'3" play 1/2" longer and 4°upright.
I would like your professional opinion on an idea that has been in my mind for quite some time. Do you think it would be a good idea to have a split set but in terms of length? Meaning Pitching wedge thru 7 iron are standard lengths but then shorten 6i, 5i, and 4i to make the longer irons easier to play.
Great idea!
I just took my clubs to Golf Galaxy to get them extended. I needed +.5" . I'm excited to try it out on Wednesday when I pick it up.
Any updates?
Ive just bought theP790s and i love them!! Looking to buy the 3&4 iron soon!! Theyre so good!
Bang on 6ft1 and play half inch longer with 2° flat. Made a big difference to me for finding the centre of the club more often and to my turf interaction. But I'm no where near the suggested length for my height with my driver. I play a 3wood shaft. Works for me though.
Any chance of similar with the driver but the opposite way round, shorter shaft? Use a 3 wood length shaft in my driver, lost a bit of distance on my best best strike but consistency of strike means I’d say I’m averaging further
all my clubs are 1 degree upright, and 1/4" shorter as fitted by my local pro, works a treat
Same issue as new longer driver shafts, added swing speed does not necessarily mean longer distance because center strikes may become inconsistent. James, looks like you might want to consider adding .5" to your irons though.
I know this post is 2 years old but i got fitted for the ping 425 and the half in longer ping standard shaft was an eye opener for me as i could see the ball better at strike, my chin was up higher and freed up my swing no end , will be getting shaft extenders for my iorns "ping blueprint blades " as ordering a new set is too expensive , hoping for the hole that occurs in my glove at the palm to stop as i go through gloves every 3 rounds
Interesting vid I went for a fitting 2 years ago and until recently I was gaming Wilson irons that were half an inch longer, went for an updated fitting two months ago and got fitted for the new p790 standard length I haven’t lost any distance but my dispersion has got tighter across all clubs absolutely love them but still unsure how two fittings can give you two different lengths 🤔
Stuart it depends what the original length of the shaft is to start with. Even with the same manufacturer there can be 1/2" difference across different models.
Hi first. I have a question. I bought a Ping G425 Hybrid 5 last winter because I didn't consistently hit my 5 iron the season before last. Well, last season I trained a lot and did very well with my 5 iron. Total width are both at 170m. The only difference currently is that the hybrid carry has 8m more. This now makes the hybrid superfluous. Since I can adjust the loft and lie of the Hybrid, I thought of lengthening the shaft to get a few more meters. Can this work? Best regards from Germany.
I am currently playing a set of 2018 P790 irons with KBS Tour C-Taper Lite x-flex shafts. 1/2" longer than standard and bent 2 degrees stronger than standard.
I use +1" longer @ 1 degree upright. I want to go for a driver fitting - Cobra F9 comes in Tour Length - 44.25" - and I'm intrigued. I've had better luck with more consistent ball strikes with a shorter shaft. The standard F9 comes with 14 and 2 g weights. The Tour Length has 18 and 6 g weights. Both are D3. I'm curious about putting the 2 g weight in the front of the Tour Length to see what happens with ball flight. Will it make the ball go straighter? It'll lower the SW to probably C9, but that's what I play now.
How tall are you ?
My shafts are 1/4” longer..my 6’7” son has shafts that are 2.5” longer than standard.
A11 1’s Golf I’m 6’7 and I only use 1inch longer!
I've been playing +1" for years now - so the comments around "it no looks like a 5-iron" don't resonate as I always judge a club by the amount of face I can see at address. James, when you got fit for your Mizuno set, did they test with various shaft lengths? Reason I'm asking is that in my experience most fitters don't - they just look at the player and make a judgement call or just go with what the player tells them - which is quite sad.
In my experience most fitters will generally eyeball your general height, arm length etc and then your swing before making any recommendations.
I'm 5ft 8in which is pretty much standard height. So, most fitters I've worked with have checked to see if I am hitting the middle of the face at standard length before suggesting changes. The one change they almost always make with me is to flatten the lie a touch BECAUSE I tend to hook the ball. Not because of my height.
I'm gaming the previous model P790 but they're still good I'm hitting them because of the review you've done on them on your channel
Great video again James and enjoyable, yep I am currently gaming the new P790 irons although I am going back to see my fitter tomorrow evening because I’m finding the heads too light whichever is going to put right for me
Cheers TT
James Robinson Golf your welcome mate 👍
I bought my ping s57 irons 2nd hand and they are 1/4 inch shaft length difference between them. I don't know what this should do but it seems ok. What difference should this make? 👍 ☺
I don't get the distance with a shorter shaft but I get so many more fairways and to me that's always a winner to me over distance
good video, when i got fitted they measured me into standard shafts but i hit the +.5 further with less dispersion so i went with those.
i was fitted for +1" 10 years ago. Most recently I was fitted to a set of AP3's which also came out as +1"
How tall are you ?
I've played standard length iron for about half a year en got a really annoying back pain after a round. Got fitted for two inch longer irons en never looked back since.
As I am still watching the video and not read comments so its likely this has been mentioned either in the video or comments. SWING WEIGHT!! An Inch can make a big difference in swing weight. How about using a shorter than standard shaft? How about the consistencies and numbers with that setup?
I have standard length jpx923’s and can hit my 7 iron around a consistent smooth 180m. BUT my shot are so inconsistent in direction/aim. I have some older clubs around an inch short and my accuracy and control was far greater but lost some distance. Distance isn’t my problem. Is it worth cutting new clubs down if this seems to be the case?? Once I cut them down I can’t don’t want to regret it as I’m running kbs 130 xs. And don’t want to pay for 8 new shafts
James should you have changed the ( lie ) angle of the club head to fit the added length of each shaft, which then should have improved your strike. One of my cousins who is much taller had longer clubs bent more upright, there was no way I could hit them well without changing my swing to do so, and I wasn't doing that to hit anyone's clubs and messing with my swings timing and strike. Getting fit for club length very important, good video, thanks.
My irons Ping i3 Oversize Irons - Maroon Dot +2 length. I am 6'3 with shorter arm length. Been using these for many years now, just started noticing I been hitting them better choking up a bit. Might be time for a new fitting and some new irons.
Hey James, i was really excited about the single length clubs until I found out the clubs were 7 iron length. I broke my back in 4 places, my leg, heel and ankle, so my flexibility is shot. I need my 3456 irons their traditional length or longer, but i can surely deal with the 7 through wedge being 7 iron length. Maybe i have to build my own or cobble together two sets.
What is interesting is that the +1/2 your smash was elite. Looks like its the one for you my friend.
I use standard length and lies in my irons. I would expect the shots to be farther right with each of the 2 extra length shafts since you might not get the clubhead around as quickly to get it squared up. For my driver and 3 wood, the shafts are shorter. I think my driver is 44.25 and the 3 wood is 42.5 or 42.75. It's been a while since I got them.
As someone who is 6ft 4 do I need longer shafts or does it not make a difference?
If a club is a 1/2", 1" too long, could you compensate by simply gripping a little lower down?
And second observation - "same length shaft" is a far bigger change.... But driver is far more about "too long to control"
Hi James love the content, I'm looking to update my utility 2 iron. I'm thinking ping g410 crossover or the callaway x forged utility iron, both in a 2 iron. You've reviewed the ping if your able could you do a head to head for them both
Interesting video, what's the effect on dispersion?
I was hoping this would be more about strike rather than distance. I thought the idea of getting fitted for length was to help you hit the sweetspot.
@@kourt2469 I guess lie angle would change slightly too. Although for me, I couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo so it's unlikely to make much difference at all 🤣
i'm 5' 5'' and i play with + 1.5'' . took a wile to get used to it but it stopped me topping the ball. in my group of friends they think the pro was drunk when i got fitted but it does work for me
Thankyou for this video. Being 6 ft 2 with long arms I have been wondering if longer clubs would make a difference. I guess the standout stat was height for me, I'm not too bothered about the distance as I can hit it fairly far, but the height I'd gain might do me some good.
I think the stats would of been more decisive had you had someone the right height for the +1 inch club. It may be worth doing it going the opposite way and seeing what shorter clubs do.
I have to ask, so how does the lie angle take effect ? , could you maybe do a video hitting different lie angles please ? That's if it's worth doing i wouldn't have a clue.
Oh and congrats to the fella who won the 500 quid golf clubs 4 cash voucher :D
with longer arms you might even want shorter clubs, just a thought.
You would have to change to lie angle of the head to be fair for your swing. But the results are pretty much what I would have expected. Fun stuff.
James, I know this is an old video but just realized that you sport that Adidas hat most of the time and just needed to point out that Adidas makes the most comfortable golf hat ever made. The best
Can you maybe try to take a 5 iron head and put it on a 7 iron shaft? I know they have one length clubs, but what about heads that are not made for one length clubs, like the P790.
I think maybe a small tee would make it equal. Was expecting more difference though, keep up the good work 👍
Love my P790’s (old version) + .5 and 2 up
I am 6ft 3" tall & I need the extra 1" in shaft length which is why I was custom fitted.
I don't know about the numbers but an extra inch on my irons definitely helps my back
I was fitted for +1 inch. I'm 6'3" tall. But I changed my driver and wood to standard and gained a ton of control. Irons are still +1 inch.
I'm 6'3 and got fitted for just .5 in longer
What if you went 1/2 inch shorter? Or all you r Irons are the same length
Spot on James. At what point is difference significant. As you say 2 or 3 metres is marginal and maybe 10 metres is the point where a difference is real. Good stoof old fellow.
I have the original p790s, have helped me tremendously. Standard length and lie.
I’m 5’8 just bought a set of mizuno hot metal pros really considering having them shortened.
Also... look at the specs for the p-790. They are 1/4 inch shorter than standard length. Similar to mizuno shaft lengths. I found this weird when testing them with the fitter at my club. They ultimately hit shots that were too hot, having no real distance control and terrible gapping at the low end of the set into the wedges. Not a players iron by any stretch of the imagination and more suited to a mid to high handicapper, or senior golfer with low ball speed. We arrived at the Callaway X Forged irons, which suited me much better and have excellent distance control. No hot flyers, no bouncy feeling on chips and with the x forged I can hit the ball low, which was very difficult with the p-790, which no matter how hard I tried refused to play a punch cut. Just my opinion, but they are truly terrible irons lol.
Hi James please explain why when the iron length is longer the sweet spot moves closer to the heel? I’m curious
It doesn’t move the sweet spot mate it moves the ball at set up if you kept the same stance
Some strange numbers James you would of thought the standard too be the shortest and slowest ball speed etc etc but the numbers were mixed up! Yes I know it’s strike dependent but with 10 shots each you would expect the averages too even themselves out. If that makes sense!!! I know what I mean lol anyway just goes too show longest sometimes is not the best😜😜😜
I bought a WILSON D100 lightweight driver 12degrees. It was so light I had no POWER to hitvthe ball. ( Think of a train hitting you, or a feather). So I was able to extend the shaft 1.5 inches and add a pair of 5g lead strips to rhe sole to get the shot shape I wanted.
I gained 30 yards overnight on a £34.99 second hand driver.!!
😂😂😂😂 Loving it. ( From average 190 carry, to 220 average carry. FYI ).
I use the 2017 version of the P790 2degree up and 1/2 inch longer.
How tall are you James?
I just don’t know if you’re average height and that makes the average length clubs perfect for you?
I’m new to golfing. Why are the clubs dif length sizes? ( the shaft)
I was fitted at Tour X for p790’s last year. Mine are half an inch longer.
just bought some second hand titleist tmb irons without realising they were half inch longer,played a couple of rounds before even noticing but hit them the best i've hit irons for years,weird!
Swing weight will change with shaft length and maybe influencing your swing?
What about weight. For instance 85g reg vs a 75g stiff vs a 65g xstiff
IMO, a better test for you would be -1/2 inch, standard, +1/2 "
Did you change the lie angle too suit each club
Here's something you might find interesting. I have a set of MacGregor irons 2 thru 9 iron, Jack Nicklaus Model that I purchased in 1964, 60 years ago with original leather grips still on. Today at 76 years old, 5 feet 8 inches tall I play custom fitted Ben Hogan Irons purchased a few years back, Both sets were standard length for the time, My MacGregor 2 iron is the same exact length as my Hogan 5 iron. Comparing 5 irons from each set today's Hogan 5 iron is 2 inches longer than the 1964 model. Over the years club's have become markedly longer and hence account for more overall distance, However, I really believe they have become too long for the average player. I'm a decent player, 3 handicap form the forward tees given my age yet I think many players would be better off with shorter shorter length clubs.. I can tell you its much easier to swing the 1964 model but it doesn't have the technology of today. Still when I do strike the ball with the 1964 model there's not a whole lot of difference in distance....
I use 1/5 inch longer to give better distance and also have a fairly up right stance. Now don’t really feel there is much difference is I use a standard length.
While certainly not tall, at just under 5'8", my HMB's are 1.5* upright. Just the way I deliver the club, I guess.
Didn’t know you’d moved into HMB Joe. You liking them?
James Robinson Golf I was foaming at the mouth over the MP-20 line from the first time I saw them. Was going to get a blended set but hit the HMB 7 better than the regular blade, and the top line of the set is similar to the JPX-900, so I stuck with HMB throughout. Only played one round with them, but practicing all the time at the range. No more difficult to play than the JPX.
Interesting! You are roughly the same height as me but my AP2s are -1* flat of standard because I tend to hook the ball. (Titleist standard is slightly upright though)
Am I correct in assuming that you have a natural left to right ball flight then?
I've really considered trying the Mizuno MP-20 line as they are offering us lefties a mixed set that closely matches What I have now in my T-MB / AP2 set now....We'll see!
Lefty SoCal Golfer Yes, my, er, “good” ones are a soft fade. The fitter initially looked over the PING fitting chart and told me I’d be flat, but I knew from past fittings that I was at least a degree up. He was trying to avoid using the Mizuno shaft optimizer tool, and I wondered why until he told me no one there knew how to use it. But I pretty much insisted and he found the ONE person in that PGA TOUR Superstore that knew how it worked.
@@joeperez3520Underdstood! My "good ones" are genrally push draws...my not so good ones are Pull draws!
I'll though I've been working on hitting a fade for a while now, especially from inside 150yds, and it's getting easier! :0)
I once hit a Heaven wood 250 yards. 43inch shaft. 90 mph swing speed.