The True Root of Freedom | Winston Marshall meets Os Guinness | ARC Off-Stage
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- “He was a seven-year-old in the Russian Revolution. I was a seven-year-old in the Chinese Revolution… We both saw incredible violence. We both understood totalitarianism and the danger of Marxism.”
The moment that author and social critic Os Guinness describes his conversation with one of the greats of Western philosophy, Isaiah Berlin, he provides a window into a world that it is too easy to forget.
Many of the most eloquent defenders of Western civilisation are those who lived under Marxist tyranny. In the words of Dr Guinness: “I would never be naïve: Their revolutions never succeed. Their oppressions never end. Their promises never are fulfilled.”
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In the first of our ARC off-stage conversations, Os Guinness and Winston Marshall explore the story of the development of Marxism and Cultural Marxism, and the different stories about freedom that we have.
Is freedom found in the absence of constraint? Is it found in the absence of economic and social inequality? Or is there a deeper story to tell?
These are the questions which animate the discussion. We hope you enjoy the conversation.
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Winston Marshall is a member of the ARC Advisory Board. He is a Grammy award-winning musician, writer and host of the podcast ‘Marshall Matters’. He is also co-founder of the non-profit organisation Hong Kong Link Up.
Os Guinness is an author and social critic. He holds a DPhil from Oxford University, has been a Visiting Fellow at the Brookings Institution, and was the lead drafter of 'The Global Charter of Freedom of Conscience and Religion'.
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00:00:00 Introduction to Os Guinness: His Journey from Revolutionary China to Philosophical Realism
00:01:20 Early Encounters with Revolution: Os Guinness on China and Marxism
00:07:00 Understanding Marxism's Evolution and the Impact of Atheism on Civilization
00:18:20 Defining National Identity and Unity: Challenges and Solutions
00:24:50 The Paradox of Freedom: Faith, Secularism, and the Future of Society
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0:00 Introduction to Os Guinness: His Journey from Revolutionary China to Philosophical Realism
1:20 Early Encounters with Revolution: Os Guinness on China and Marxism
7:00 Understanding Marxism's Evolution and the Impact of Atheism on Civilization
18:20 Defining National Identity and Unity: Challenges and Solutions
24:50 The Paradox of Freedom: Faith, Secularism, and the Future of Society
My parents were socialist activists and I attended one of the furthest left universities. Then I went out into the real world and had my eyes opened. I think the basic difference between the two sides, at least here in the USA, is that one side thinks you can change human nature just because you want to, any way you want to, and you can do it fast. The other side thinks you will never have good results out of changing things, unless you take the reality of basic, mostly unchanging human nature into account.
Well said
I say it at every opportunity, they are utopian nutjobs at least as dangerous as the bolcheviks or maoists.
excellent points :)
I have a book written by an American useful idiot who went to China in the sixties...she spent some time there ..came back...full of praise...eyes never opened..she is not the only one...they have been around...
This is very articulately put. I think these precise thoughts on a regular basis, but I've never summarized it so perfectly in my mind. We have to be realists, not idealists.
"Their revolutions never succeed, their oppressions never end, their promises are never fulfilled." Check!
The reality is totally opposite. The f dinosaur is trying to sell his lies to sustain his demise life to the tone-deaf people in the west.
Winston Marshall is a very gifted interviewer!
Brilliant interview. I remember watching Os Guinness 15/16 years ago, in the early years of RUclips, while going through a period of suffering and doubt, and God used this man to fortify my mind and my spirit. Thank you Dr Guinness! I also remember seeing Winston (some years later) absolutely in his element (with his banjo) playing his fantastic music with Mumford and Sons. It's a joy to see that he is equally in his element as an articulate, knowledgeable and thoughtful interviewer. And it's a joy to see both these men together.
What a wonderful comment - a joy to read! We are so glad that we are able to bring you people and conversations you enjoy!
And, thank you Cliff for sharing.
My great aunt who was Catholic nun from Quebec City was imprisoned for 5 years during Chinese revolution which began in 1949. This happened before I was born but our family used to visit Mother Mary of The Cross in Quebec City once she returned to Canada. We lived far away from Quebec City (12 hour drive) so we didn’t have a chance to visit her much before she died but my great aunt kept a diary … what she went through was brutal
Technical point: Chinese communist rebels began paramilitary actions in early 30s, then dug in during Japanese invasion of 1937, then, with soviet support, began warring with China's Nationalist govt all through 40s. The commies finished, not began, their successful drive in 1949.
Perhaps the Diairy should be looked at again and see is it fit for publishing. If it is, contact a Catholic publisher.
I love Os Guiness!! I love Winston Marshall!! Thank you both for sitting down and enlightening our minds and hearts with the truth in this conversation. I didn't want it to end.
Right on! I put this in the top 10 interviews, that I have ever watched. Sublime 🎉
Winston is a remarkable man and gifted
Person.
Very!!!
What a treasure of knowledge and history. Thank you
"Fool's Talk" is one of a short list of books that genuinely changed my life for the better. Great to see Os on the channel.
There is a British unity: it exists in the ordinary people of Britain. Their adversaries are their political and cultural leaders.
17:08 god, he’s so right.
We in the US unconsciously abandoned one of our first principles.
Going from “E Pluribus Unum” to “E Pluribus Chao.”
Not happy about it. Not happy about even noticing it. It cannot be unseen, and I fear there’s no remedy.
So thankful for Os. What a gift his life and writing are!
We are so grateful for him too! An inspirational mind 🙌
I was a student in Beijing in 1976, the tail end of the Cultural Revolution. I lived the poverty of the time: little food, few consumer goods, everyone equal = equally poor.
To the extent that China has prospered since 1979, it’s in exact proportion to how much the capitalist market economy has been allowed to grow.
Os Guinness' mind is a treasure trove of wisdom!
Agreed!
Be ye a man of action,
Les your intentions be fractioned,
A pound of hollow words today,
Causes your morale integrity to decay,
Let us run the race,
Willing to embrace,
All trials and simply say,
I gave it my all today.
Thanks for sharing this poetic virtue. How true.
"I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith," II Timothy 4:7.
Your own or a quote?
@@rat_king- inspired by the verse that was shared but something I wrote
This man is a wealth of wisdom. Make him the PM!
I’m thrilled to have stumbled upon this interview with Os Guinness whom I’d only met via Jordan Peterson’s work on Exodus and I just adored him and wanted more. Been appreciating Winston for a few years now and I’m amazed at the depth and breadth of his work. That more and more people watch this stuff assuages my despair.
32:00 And this points to the main problem in Canada. We've lived with freedom for so long that we have no idea where it came from. This is how Trudeau will be able to bring in his extreme censorship laws. Average Canadians just cannot see the danger in it.
I would love to know more about os’s wing of the Guinness family and their contribution to Christian evangelism. What I know about his grandfather, father, and various other members of the family has been very interesting to me. Os should write a book about his heritage.
Freedom apart from morality is simply license. Freedom under a moral code (in covenant faith) is both a protection and a responsibility. The essence of secularism is irresponsibility and defenselessness. You can see it clearly in laws that disallow responsibility and create defenseless populations.
This was fascinating!Such a knowledgeable guest.
So glad I found this convo
So glad you enjoyed it!
Regarding 17:27. I had a few thoughts regarding "how Britain might be able to say what it is to be British." I admit I'm American (I've lived in three different states, and only very briefly in Baja California), so I understand if readers here think I'm totally out of my league and shouldn't speak about this (translation: please don't "shred" my comment; I'm only interested in sharing an idea or two, and possibly also in some conversation about it).
"What it is to be ______," is a very tricky question, as Guinness and Marshall seem to agree. There's likely a temptation for many to imagine back to the earliest tribal populations of Britain and imagine these cultures were the "most natural lifestyles" to the geographical area. Or others might try to identify with an assortment of triumphal "victors" of the British landscape. The British Empire, to my mind, was sort of an extension of the Roman Empire that managed to thrive and further develop in the relatively protected island-nation, but the Empire is certainly known for being "power over others"-based (as was Rome's). As this video infers, Britain is now a very diverse population, and assimilation of diversity toward unity is, I'm sure, of utmost and urgent necessity. A rag-tag assortment of multifarious cultures that cannot (nevermind should not) isolate from each other within the borders of a nation is likely to be an arguing (if not terribly violent) mess.
Yet... To my mind, Americans were once citizens of that British Empire. And those citizens found themselves in a sort of wilderness of both plenty and terrors, especially during the earliest years of colonization. I can't help but imagine that wilderness -- and oh-so-many efforts to stabilize communities and trade _within_ the colonies -- had a subconscious "shaping" (perhaps even epigenetic) effect on the colonists. This took a few generations, and different geographic areas (colonies as well as even smaller communities) certainly developed their own "flavors," but they all had in common a goal of unified and stable lifestyle, agriculture, commerce/trade, and cultivated centers that could display beauty and "the best of" with a sort of common loving and inspired satisfaction for all who would/might visit.
So... I might suggest immersing the imagination into the very terrain of Britain first. It might not be so bad to imagine, not so much "what it would be like to be an early Breton tribesperson," but rather "what it would be like to face the terrain and climate of Britain" with an imagination set in "maximum creative mode." Share stories that the imaginations create. Share these stories with others. Do any universal "flavors" come through? Which "flavors" are certainly unique to certain areas? Which are certainly unique to individual persons? (these are likely to become personal "epiphanies" for which many lonely people may hunger during this crazy era of ours). Once that "immersion" into Britain's very terrain is accomplished, _then_ study British history. _Then_ follow your interest in any quality "fringe" cultural heritage. What sort of mosaic may we assemble, from there, _together_? The beauty and revealed truth and shared goodness of such a long-term-committed endeavor just might end up hugely/deeply joy-full, meaning-full, and wonder-full.
Indeed, I'm a bit of a storyteller and musician, so my imagined "solution" is totally in the imagined/creative zone. I found myself answering the "how can it be said in a sentence or paragraph?" out loud while sitting on my couch watching this video. And I thought, "if only I can run this idea by these people and see if they think I'm crazy or if they dismiss me outright as clueless or obviously ignorant." And then, "Oh yeah, this is youtube. I could sign in and actually write out the idea." I admit I'm sorry to see it took more than a paragraph.
If you've made it this far, I sincerely thank you for hearing me out. If God is ultimately unknowable, then all the most difficult questions can be found in that Loving and Just Unknown. So we _know_ where the answers are! Let us seek (and find) together, as C.S. Lewis directed in the narrative of _The Last Battle_ (personally speaking, that book is holy writ to me), "further up and further in."
I've given this more thought since yesterday. Os Guinness has mentioned that what defines a nation is what it most obviously most reveres; then he's said that what America most reveres has predominantly been Freedom. But that revered value of Freedom is certainly inherited from a long-long history descended from the English Magna Carta, from the writings of John Locke, perhaps somewhat from even the writings of Thomas Hobbes (as an American argument to much of _Leviathan_). And all of that is likely descended from a Judeo-Christian heritage that especially valued a type of portable Freedom that could travel wherever went an individual aligned with the highest/best principles s/he could possibly imagine. And wherever went families or tribes aligned similarly and communicatively/cooperatively. Eventually, a community that stays put can also align itself with a sort of communicative/cooperative "perpetual betterment." I'm convinced the better-and-better goal cannot be undertaken without a sturdy foundation of Freedom. In Freedom, _every_ individual, every family, every community can become creatively unique and wondrous. I pray the days of people chasing and trying to hold onto Power are ending, and days of people confidently embracing Freedom, Wonder, and alignment with Truth are becoming universal to all caring/thinking peoples over all the earth.
Great interview with Os, your interviewing style is getting better and better. Thanks Winston.
❤ Dr. Os. So glad for this first conversation! I thought he was awesome in The Exodus Series and have since been looking for more Dr..Os content! Really appreciate ARC!
So glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for your kind words 🙌
Brilliant as always. Deeply real and not without hope. Thank you Os and thank you Winston for this interview.
Brilliant interview. Thanks for this.
I am relatively new to Winston's podcast ( before the Pelosi debate, well done.)
Now going back and watching several episodes that I missed.
Wow!! Os Guinness is just something special. Thank you for interviewing him Winston. ♥️♥️♥️🙏🖖👏
Our major problem is rampant stupidity.
“The problem is within our civilization not between our civilizations.” If we could all understand this and act accordingly.🙏
I remember hearing Os Guinness speak at a Labrae conference held at Covenant College in the early 70's. Great experience
How wonderful! He has been speaking truth for decades
I got a yellowed copy of The Dust of Death as a college sophomore. As an art and architecture lover I loved his takes on the absolute spiritual poverty of modern Art and architecture
Brilliant!
I had a student once who told me that when he was a child all the children in his city were marched to the countryside and all the children from the rural areas marched into the cities. He was from Shanghai and never saw his parents again. When he told me this had happened during the 1970s I thought he must have trauma and not recollected but later found it to be true.
Fascinating interview! Thank you.
My partner grew up in China during the Cultural Revolution. The stories she has told me are chilling. Relatives publicly beaten, surviving the famine, banning of books, etc. She has fond memories of her childhood, but only b/c she was lucky to have two loving parents and a father that furthered her education in secret including having to secretly hide books.
Freedom is the singularity of humanity .
We just have to address our schools. Any amount wisdom is wasted on the vast majority of young because of the brainwashing that has been going on in our schools.
Imagine if they listened to this kind of conversation on a daily basis . It would be transformative. It would also cure all the mental health issues the young are having.
That would be my dream but in the meantime, i am very grateful to be able to hear these talks . Thank you.
Thanks for the Wycliffe and Tyndall stories about covenant.
You are welcome! Os is brilliant isn't he
Thank you for tgese great conversations
You are welcome!
Wow!
What a great and insightful talk. 👏🏾
This is so true! I was only 8 years old born in Czechoslovakia when Czechoslovakia was occupied in 1968!
The Freedom in America must always be taught and lived with Liberty. 🇺🇲🦅🎺🔔⚖. ❤
“Liberty is not the power of doing what we like, but the right to do what we ought.”
Brilliant
7:21 😮 so true
A wonderful dialogue. Unity can be found, and it should be encouraged because it's better than all the divisions that we encounter on social media.
Terrific discussion gentlemen!❤❤
The biggest problem in
The US is the rogue intelligence community including the military bureaucracy. And it is primarily because people in congress have opted to undermine the executive branch for ideological or personal reasons. The most glaring example of this is the comments by Senator Schumer about the intelligence community. I hope Trump puts an end to it by reorganizing,!if not totally disbanding the current bureaucracies.
❤ Os Guinness!
Great conversation! It is civilization at stake.
Thanks!
You’re lovely!
AND this was a powerful interview that everyone needs to hear
A shared shape for the future. We can be a shared identity, only a part of our own, where the new country is a unity of the original cultures and the new culture. Canadian or British or American - what is it to be - It is to be more than your place of birth, your journey, or your experience. We are the shared experience, the social contract, a 'covenant' to live and raise our boats our tents together...
🙏
I like the part where Guinness contrasts French and American. However, it's interesting to note: France has for the most part, recently, effectively had sufficient 'antibodies' to wokeness, maybe because they had already 'been sick with this virus' (in a manner of speaking).
But, if some of these elements are contained within France's founding charter, then have they perhaps worked their way toward a more Anglo-Germanic re-interpretation, of their own founding principles?
By the same token, has America partially fallen victim to a more classically French re-interpretation, of its own founding charter?
(These are the questions that keep me up at night).
As an American, I’d say that, yes, there are elements in the US taken by the French Revolution and French philosophy. But there are other elements, dating back to, say, Hamilton, that reject and even fear the kind of impulses and thinking that led to the French Revolution-anathema to the American Revolution and way of thinking. We are still here but it’s unclear how strong we are…
Wow, incisive and inspiring talk, everyone in Western Europe should be forced to listen to and discuss!
However they are on the phone looking at trivia so call back later! It appears that few people under 30 can even form a cohesive debate without resorting to labelling and cancelling.
I realised too late how my socialist ideologies were being corrupted.
Winston need to get back with Mumford and Sons, his banjo playing was the driving force of that band.
"Only the clergy had the Bible in those days because they were elitist."
What a prat. I was about to write how he minimally helped me out of Buddhism when i read his 'The East no Exit' at L'Abri in Switzerland, but this is the pits. Prat seems reasonable.
My grandarents left wealth in Australia to share the glorious gospel of Jesus in China they escaped when the communists came Grandpa spoke mandarin and has a deep.love for the Chinese he couldnt go.back
I like this, but just one question, why does the guy with a ponytail put on a jamaican accent?
Wow what a talk 👍👍🍺🍺
What was that sound Winston makes at 21:10? Was it an encouraging moan or a doubting groan?
Hinduism is traditionally a personal and singular god, with many limbs. We have the trinity, Hindus traditionally worshiped the one broken into several, usually not getting caught up in too many. Like Krishna, if you study him, there are so many parallels between Christ and him that it’s almost hard to not to see them as one. Not that they are. It’s just hard to know how effective other cultural religions were because their societies flourished far before ours.
Harville Hendricks and his wife, Helen LaKelly Hunt founded imago therapy. They say the one thing that will make a person grow more than anything else is a committed relationship. Harville used to include the qualifier "heterosexual." When two "diverse" individuals are bound together, they have to dig deep and work out their disagreements. One of my songs says:
"...Sometimes when we argue, A grain of truth is sown. If we humbly nurture it, We'll bring a harvest home. Thru respect and listening, We finally agree, And form a stronger partnership Than one found easily." My choir director at Kent State University, Mr. Robert Hull Foulkes, taught us about a "heterogeneous choir sound" in which each voice was developed to its full potential, with all of its overtones, and the voices were put together into a "choral bouquet." "_E pluribus unum_."
Lovely !
“As a nation of FREE MAN, we will live forever. Or die by suicide” I’m pretty sure that’s from Abraham Lincoln
I don't understand how the concept of Karma is not free.
Os is completely correct about migrants wanting to become in my case American. It seems like they want the citizens to change to their way of thinking. But this is America and my country and if they choose to live here they need to become Americans not the other way around.
"let my people go free -
that they may worship me"
No. Bad basis for freedom (look into the Natural Law instead). Fascinating interview nonetheless.
It’s not any ism it’s a problem with any humans when they get too much power and ideologies that they follow. The only reason it hasn’t happened in west is because we change the leaders often
To be American (USA) means,
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,"
The governed consent to securing rights, not mob rule, majority faction. Freedom is governments securing your rights leaving the people to advance society.
Is this true?
@@koppite9600 I provide opinion mostly based on the founding documents. That should lead people to verify whether I am lying or not. Read the words, then look at my opinion to see if it matches. Thomas Jefferson said of the Declaration of Independence, "this was the object of the Declaration of Independance. not to find out new principles, or new arguments, never before thought of, not merely to say things which had never been said before; but to place before mankind the common sense of the subject".
If your question is whether that is what is meant to be "American" (American is often used as abbreviation for United States of America). The principle of the framing of the Constitution comes from the principle in the Declaration. "
We hold these truths to be self-evident,
that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The framers understood unalienable rights were violated by governments and the people. That is why the FIRST thing in the Constitution is "in Order to form a more perfect Union". By outlawing the violations of unalienable rights, we would become more perfect. The role of government was described by John Locke -
"and may not, unless it be to do justice on an offender, take away, or impair the life, or what tends to the preservation of the life, the liberty, health, limb, or goods of another."
Compare this to Jefferson -
"but rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will, within the limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others.
I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’; because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."
Both quotes save You have the right to do anything so long as you do not infringe on the rights of others.
Why I claim this is what it means to be "American", is that this principle is completely different than everywhere else. This principle is about securing unalienable rights, NOT democracy...mob rule. See Madison in Federalist Paper #10. He referred to "faction as adversed to the rights of other citizens. That is what democracy often does. He goes on to say, - "Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."
To me, that does not sound like he supported mob rule. He supported securing unalienable rights, leaving people free to advance society.
Can you know if politicians claims of the "will of the people" actually is the will of the people? Once they win the election, they will claim anything they want to be the "will of the people.
If the measure of legitimate government is to secure the unalienable rights, you can easily see if they are doing their job - being American.
Communism, socialism, fascism, monarchy, democracy, dictatorships ... all have one thing in common. They all violate, not secure the unalienable rights of the people. Locke and Jefferson opposed the violations. That is what made us different.
Sorry to be so long winded.
@@ny1t
I needed to get clarification as I thought that this is an entirely Christian foundation.
Is it?
@@koppite9600 Not sure what your question is.
@@ny1t
It is a Christian value based foundation to found that country, is that what it is?
'Science tells us inconvenient things, therefore society will necessarily collapse, unless we force ourselves to believe in magic'.
Then freedom is not rooted in western notions of civilization but in the creator and inspirer.
Sure wish intelligent thinkers like Os Guinness and Sam Harris could escape the Free Will versus Determinism dichotomy. Both ideas, logically lead to absurd conclusions: A) a human intellect detached from DNA, the brain or experience versus B) one utterly controlled by DNA, outside or quantum events. Neither is useful for forming ethics or a life in the real world, much less a coherent political theory. Maybe it's time to consider how to make better use of the limited mental freedom that we actually are able to access--i.e., Critical Thinking.
British is a political label. Anyone can be British. I'm English not british if anyone can be British 5 mins after they arrive on a dingy
I know it's nuanced, but "freedom" is not exactly the same as "free will". Sam Harris argues against the existence of "free will," he does not argue against "free" society.
Sam Harris has no authority on the subject.
Once objective reality is denied in favor of ideologies of any kind, society is in grave danger. When life begins, the nature of human sexuality, etc. are twisted to adapt society to the WOKE folks.
Some of us still believe in the very same religion that founded America. It is estimated that of the 3,000,000 Americans at the time of the American Revolution, 900,000 were of Scotch or Scotch-Irish origin (presbyterian), 600,000 were Puritan English, and 400,000 were German or Dutch Reformed. In addition to this the Episcopalians had a Calvinistic confession in their Thirty-nine Articles; and many French Huguenots also had come to this western world. The people hate calvinism now so America will never come back. They say calvinism means no freedom and yet it helped create their country. They hate America as they have been taught to do.
America's God is the God of Calvin. They refuse to accept that God. They will go to what seems to be the 'oldest' even if it's not true. The Catholics are already talking about making this place look just like Europe.
You can however read our creeds and confessions to understand what they truly believed if you want. The Westminister Confession is the Presbyterian one and since the American Revolution was also called the Presbyterian revolt then it's the first I would read. We are still here despite the caricature of protestantism running about.
1945 to 1975 Wasnt there a copycat holocaust in china...
Thank goodness the english-speaking peoples of the workd...
Not sure what you mean here. Certainly millions of Chinese were slaughtered by the communists. Long, complicated story re class, capitalism, etc. But the Jews had virtually no problem with China or Chinese-ever-until the current regime started siding with the Islamists and Palestinians for political and economic reasons.
Always this, "under atheism", but it wasn't done in the name of atheism and the numbers are higher as the population was larger by that time.
He is wrong about Lincoln, States had a right to secede. New England states had discussed it decades earlier. Southern states were seceding as the colonies had done from the UK as Lithuania was to do from the USSR. But, Lincoln launched a vicious war against the southern states (think Putin).
I agree Lincoln had no right, but thank God he acted because united we were strong enough to stop Hitler, a divided nation would have changed history in a very dark way. Not to mention slavery is always wrong.
😂
Incorrect. States had NO right to secede. The pact under the US Constitution was a covenant. Once in, there was no out. It had to be made to work as a Union.
@@warnerchandler9826 please read Lincoln Unmasked or the The Real Lincoln By Thomas J DiLorenzo
Also please read
It Wasn't About Slavery by Samuel W Mitcham
Also please read I Had Rather Die Rape in the Civil War by Kim Murphy
Also please read
When in the Course of Human Events By Charles Adams
Books to read about this subject if you want to learn I stead of just taking what you were told about it and parroting it back ...
The Real Lincoln
By Thomas J DiLorenzo
Lincoln Unmasked
By Thomas J DiLorenzo
When in the Course of Human Events
By Charles Adams
I Had Rather Die: Rape in the Civil War
By Kim Murphy
It Wasn't About Slavery the Great Lie of the Civil War
By Samuel W Mitcham
Southern Reconstruction
By Phillip Leigh
The Robert E Lee Reader
Edited by Stanely F Horn
Woops, it took to the end but he venerates Lincoln. Oh well, no one is perfect.
Interesting statement from you given the interviewees prior analysis on something as culturally divisive as Judeo-Christian traditions and biblical references. While no man is infallible, at least a singular figurehead in American history had the wherewithal to mobilize the members of his political caucus and related communities who advocated "God-given" rights and privileges to all men under the banner of a better community and the equality that could be actualized from a fair nation with reasonable moral fabrics.
Therefore, and please correct me if I'm in error, if Lincoln is to be a pariah, I would prefer you guide us to a more steadfast and more principled exemplar given his (Lincoln's) life, the culture around him, general historical framework, and resultant outcomes under his presidency.
For what it is worth...there are no heroes. Only those who are innately damaged from genesis that seek retribution and atonement through the best actions they can take despite their unique circumstances. Hence, courage is a "currency". And, if I'm analyzing properly, that is why I believe Lincoln is on more than one form of American copy of physical currency.
Be well ✌️
Jewish regime not atheist
"Atheist regieme"
Immediately, you lost me there.
You would not need to say such a thing unless you have a specific bias to promote a society that incorporates a religion that believes in a deity.
Shall I talk about the murders done by people because 'their god told them to do it' or 'their god wished it'?
Go for it.
They cover that topic in the clip that leads the segment when he says that just the murders under Communist Atheist Mao dwarf the murders in every religious pogrom since the dawn of Civilization - at least that we know of. As he is clearly a Christian child of missionaries, he definitely does want to promote a society that incorporates specific religious ideals. He is not saying that all atheists are evil - just that those atheist systems that have gotten power have used it to be even more murderous than any religion ever.
Judging by your username, the bias goes both ways. Shall we talk about the Buddhist regime in Butma/Myanmar and its killing and oppression of its citizenship based on no God?
@@goodfortunedj I am not a Buddhist, nor am I promoting anything.
Although I'd say it is equally bad to do anything based solely on the belief that there is or is not a deity.
@buddhistsympathizer1136 I would disagree with you saying you're not promoting anything; reread your initial comment, and the replies, to determine why I would disagree.
The fruit of the Christian faith is Western society, complete with the paths of reason that helped so many blind themselves to God's will; the fruit of Atheism is, for so many (my former self included), nihilism and pessimism, stagnation and distrust.
Atheist Regime!😂
What is this? 2010
The opening statement was disingenuous as he refers to atheist regimes as an argument in favour of religion. But all those regimes are mystics!
Outstanding history lesson and applied perspective