Reading the Herculaneum Papyri

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  • Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024

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  • @missopowers
    @missopowers Месяц назад +50

    Imagine an American scientist appearing on an Italian podcast, and discussing complicated research concepts and philosophical history and ideas in fluent Italian.
    This woman is extraordinary.

    • @S.Lander
      @S.Lander Месяц назад +8

      E che bella!

    • @Tony-if3tl
      @Tony-if3tl Месяц назад +4

      Well said! As an American of Italian heritage, I’m simply astounded by her ability to flawlessly convey such concepts in a second language. She is indeed extraordinary.

    • @Arduu123
      @Arduu123 Месяц назад +17

      She is great! However, being amazed at someone who can speak more than one language is one of the most American things imaginable.

    • @enricozetti
      @enricozetti Месяц назад +3

      True, thought to give you some context, to us, english is a mandatory subject since elementary school and, though not everyone reaches the same level, a certain knowledge is needed for many works and things of everyday life.
      The scientific community speaks english so a researcher needs to be able to understand and write papers in english and partake to conferences where everyone speaks english.
      English is also the common language we use toward europe so every time you visit other places in europe you somewhat need it to communicate. It is pretty common for graduates to have lived abroad for a time either during university or scolarships.
      Also of course a lot of music we hear is in english, a lot of the internet is in english, a lot of software is in english and so on.
      A US or UK citizen might study Italian for passion but an Italian one has to study english if he wants to interact with the world.
      This is not to diminish her value but to us speaking 2 or 3 languages is very useful and somewhat common in highly educated people. I would not be surprised to discover she also speaks either french, german or spanish.

    • @mikesmith2057
      @mikesmith2057 Месяц назад +1

      I know of two American authors who learned Italian as adults and are currently writing novels in that language -- Jhumpa Lahiri & Heddi Goodrich.
      It's not unheard of for Americans to learn Europeans' language, though certainly rarer than the other way around!

  • @Booka60
    @Booka60 Месяц назад +12

    Jeez Dr. Garrett, you really struck gold with Dr. Nicolardi...a great discourse!

  • @acolyte1951
    @acolyte1951 Месяц назад +14

    Thank you for continuing these podcasts. They are interesting and informative.

  • @apresmidi153
    @apresmidi153 Месяц назад +8

    Been following this in the news for awhile, as you say it's a very exciting time for this field. Thanks for covering this!

  • @gudepop1974
    @gudepop1974 Месяц назад +3

    Absolutely wonderful to hear from someone close to these new discoveries.

  • @missopowers
    @missopowers Месяц назад +12

    New information suggests that the former Consul had illegally removed these scrolls after his term ended. A golden toilet in that little room was the first clue...

  • @tmick7108
    @tmick7108 Месяц назад +7

    I love Napoli what a great city! I flew over Capri in a helo at 500 ft AGL it was a great memory I love Italy and Sicily and I’m not Italian btw Napoli has great architecture Bella Bella.

  • @davidmajer3652
    @davidmajer3652 Месяц назад +6

    That was definitely worth the watch.

  • @eddysgaming9868
    @eddysgaming9868 Месяц назад +4

    Thank you, Professor Ryan. This looks very promising.

  • @525Lines
    @525Lines Месяц назад +6

    A poem about the Battle of Actium is featured in I, Claudius.

  • @Walgriff
    @Walgriff 16 дней назад +1

    I’ve been looking for reliable and regular updates on the deciphering efforts regarding the Herculaneum scrolls. Perhaps you could make these podcasts on this subject more regularly?

    • @yuriythebest
      @yuriythebest 11 дней назад +1

      me too. Notice how all videos on this topic talk about the technology and the basic content of the scrolls but never go into detail? My understanding is that they are able to recover some words/sentence fragments here and there to be able to tell the general topic of the scroll, but (and I'd love to be proven wrong) we have yet to see an actual "text"

  • @themetroidprime
    @themetroidprime Месяц назад +6

    Get in touch with Voices of the Past please!

  • @freespirit995
    @freespirit995 Месяц назад +8

    This was an extremely interesting discussion- thank you for making this available to all of us laypersons who are watching the progress of the Vesuvius challenge with great excitement. One question I'd like an answer to is when are we going to get translations of the new part of Epicurus' "On Nature" and other texts for the general public? My understanding is that several parts of "On Nature" have been partially recovered, which greatly expands the very limited number of texts of Epicurus we have from Antiquity. It seems odd that these are not published. Do you have any information on this?

    • @toldinstonefootnotes
      @toldinstonefootnotes  Месяц назад +6

      Unfortunately, the books of "On Nature" thus far discovered have been quite fragmentary. They have, however, been published. You can read a nice summary of current work on Epicurus (with a bibliography that includes translations and commentaries) at the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: plato.stanford.edu/ENTRIES/epicurus/

    • @freespirit995
      @freespirit995 Месяц назад +1

      @@toldinstonefootnotes Many thanks for this very useful link and bibliography! Please do many more such videos as the Vesuvius Challenge progresses!

    • @qboxer
      @qboxer Месяц назад

      @@toldinstonefootnotes I second @freespirit995's follow on request. The work that these scholars are doing is very important.

  • @larsrons7937
    @larsrons7937 Месяц назад

    Very informative conversation, very interesting. This is so exciting. I can't wait to see what else they (hopefully) find in those scrolls over the coming years.

  • @Benjaminwolf
    @Benjaminwolf Месяц назад

    Amazing. I can only recall the time an archaeologist friend of mine asked if I would help catalog and sort a tremendous amount of excavated fragments of Roman glass. I turned her down. It was the type of tedious task I was not prepared to attempt. The work on these scrolls is monumental and filled with anticipation.

  • @b.a.erlebacher1139
    @b.a.erlebacher1139 Месяц назад +8

    One thing I learned here is that when someone finished reading a scroll they left it with the last page on the outside. Maybe they had special librarian-slaves to do the rewind? How do you read a scroll? Maybe a video to walk us through it?

    • @eddysgaming9868
      @eddysgaming9868 Месяц назад +8

      "Be kind, please rewind." lol
      An old adage from the days of VHS tapes.

  • @98Zai
    @98Zai Месяц назад +3

    Love Federica, she's a great speaker and lovely to listen to!
    I also love the tendency to preserve that they have embraced. I think we should scan, read and preserve all the scrolls we already have before we decide to go to find new ones. We must also consider the buildings and other artifacts that would become exposed, it would be a really bad idea to bring them out if we don't have the capacity to care for them properly. From what I understand they are struggling to keep what we already have excavated safe from elements and tourists.

  • @guspeniche
    @guspeniche Месяц назад +1

    Great interview! I learned so much

  • @gorygremlin13
    @gorygremlin13 Месяц назад +3

    Great interview

  • @b.a.erlebacher1139
    @b.a.erlebacher1139 Месяц назад +8

    This was interesting. I didn't know that there was work continuing on physically unrolling the scrolls or that so much had been read. The virtual unrolling is promising, but at the moment is more proof of concept than an established method. It's such a hard problem because papyrus has a very uneven multilayed surface and ink sinks into it. The most successful virtual unrolling so far was parchment with an ink containing metal, a much easier problem.

  • @Lisa-ol1ih
    @Lisa-ol1ih Месяц назад

    This was amazing to hear about!

  • @lmonk9517
    @lmonk9517 Месяц назад

    It would be my dream dor missing segments of the epic cycle to be uncovered in some of the scrolls, perhaps in scrolls yet to be unexcavated.
    Would also love any works on the Celtics, rhst bordered Rome. We know so little about their culture and faith considering their vastness and long history with rome.

  • @user-jf3hh4xr4n
    @user-jf3hh4xr4n Месяц назад +1

    I enjoy your videos. But I find this one particularly interesting.

  • @Laocoon283
    @Laocoon283 Месяц назад +3

    I only come here to gaze upon the glory of the Loebs behind you

  • @starcapture3040
    @starcapture3040 Месяц назад +1

    philodemus lived in Gadara - Roman Jordan. the roman ruins in there still survive

  • @samucabitim
    @samucabitim Месяц назад +17

    Dr. Federica is so beautiful

  • @r0ky_M
    @r0ky_M Месяц назад +3

    Prof. Brent Seales (computer scientist University of Kentucky)
    was instrumental in the successful program to decider the
    scrolls. but didn't even get a passing mention.

  • @tmick7108
    @tmick7108 Месяц назад +2

    Artificial Intelligence can read the scroll I’m sure you are aware you do good work great insight to the first century amazing.

    • @joebombero1
      @joebombero1 Месяц назад

      Difficult and hugely expensive at the moment, but the possibility is there for a future breakthrough.

  • @delphinazizumbo8674
    @delphinazizumbo8674 Месяц назад +1

    the Real Question: is there a copy of the Necronomicon?
    i think we all want to know
    i'm guessing it's probably 60% dissertations on the Iliad or the Aeneid

  • @scoon2117
    @scoon2117 Месяц назад +1

    You should release these on your main channel!

  • @reddykilowatt
    @reddykilowatt Месяц назад +1

    are you going to post the actual podcast version of this to listen to rather than watch?

    • @toldinstonefootnotes
      @toldinstonefootnotes  Месяц назад +2

      Yes, you can listen to it via Apple Podcasts

    • @reddykilowatt
      @reddykilowatt Месяц назад +1

      @@toldinstonefootnotes thanks. as I write this I don’t see this episode listed there.

  • @jluke168
    @jluke168 Месяц назад

    what do they actually say they?

  • @matthewgilmore4307
    @matthewgilmore4307 Месяц назад +1

    too many "uhm-hmms" -- you've gotta be told

  • @Panama_lewis
    @Panama_lewis Месяц назад +2

    *jaw drops to floor, eyes pop out of sockets accompanied by trumpets, heart beats out of chest, awooga awooga sound effect, pulls chain on train whistle that has appeared next to head as steam blows out, slams fists on table, rattling any plates, bowls or silverware, whistles loudly, fireworks shoot from top of head, pants loudly as tongue hangs out of mouth, wipes comically large bead of sweat from forehead, clears throat, straightens tie, combs hair*
    Sorry

  • @giffica
    @giffica Месяц назад +3

    Out of pocket but boy she’s looking her best bruh

  • @allahallah4711
    @allahallah4711 Месяц назад +2

    ago (edited)
    Imagine an American scientist appearing on an Italian podcast, and discussing complicated research concepts and philosophical history and ideas in fluent Italian.