Finding that perfect sample loop point | Prophet X Tutorial
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- The challenge is as old as samplers. Finding that perfect loop point was often impossible. You could get close, but rarely perfect. Some samplers made the task easier than others.
Today I often use a program called SampleRobot to help make sample libraries for the Prophet X. That works very well for recording fresh, but if I have a sound from before, just ONE sample, and I want to stretch that out over the entire keyboard, I have to use the inbuilt sample loop functionality in the Prophet X itself, just as we had to do back in the day with the sampler we had at hand.
The challenge now is to find that perfect, or nearly perfect loop point. How do we do it?
When you stretch out a sample over the entire keyboard, the sample engine will have to stretch that sound out, altering the frequency of the sample itself. It will make higher pitched sounds end faster, while lower pitched sounds last longer. That will drastically change the timbre of the sound and many prefer that sound to a hi-fi multi sampled version of the same patch. It's all a matter of taste. The sound of a sample stretched takes us back to the 80s. Artifacts and aliasing etc. Many associate that sound with something nice and cosy.
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Oh man, finding loops points is so
easy on my FantomX. Of course
you have to know the ins and outs
of all your gear because you are a professional.🎹
Another reason why I love my PX, Great video‼️‼️🔥🔥♥️♥️
❤Believe me, I know some of that too, and it's really absorbing. Time flies. For me it is exciting to find the best loop of a sample. There are many differences between the wide variety of sounds. In some sounds there is less struggle than in others,... And the most important thing is that in the past, it was important to find a loop nearby to save space in the memories of the sampler keyboards. The objective is to make a sample with a perfect loop, and with the lowest possible weight. Which is not easy at all...that is work!
Saludos cordiales.
True. Optimizing the sample to save memory was not an easy task back in the day. Cheers
I remember spending hours spinning the W-30's 'alpha dial' trying to find smooth loop points(and using the forward + reverse mode to make the samples seem longer) :)
I can sympathize. Spent years (it seemed like it) trying to find smooth loop points back in the day.
My Prophet X arrives today. I managed to get one of the diminishing number of new X's on the market.
Awesome!
This fine tutorial brings back memories! I learnt to loop in 1993 with my first sampler, the Ensoniq ASR-10,, which I had bought with my first cd revenue and savings. There is no visual feedback either. You have to use your ears. The only loops I couldn't get right were Vox Continental samples. Later samplers such as the E-mu E-4XT Ultra showed the waveforms, which made looping a lot easier, especially of my mellotron samples. I owe you my gratitude for hinting me to the Prophet X. I bought it in December. It is a very versatile sample player, my only one with analogue filters, and it sounds great, as this video shows once again.
Oh yes Espen. When i was 19 years old I bought a new Emax II (with the 2 megabyte expansion...4 megabytes...it that was super expensive ) and I sampled all the synths in the whole music store!
The floppies .. no, I bought a Syquest hard drive.
Great tutorial!
Thanks a lot.
Have you tried using the different types of Loops the PX has? I often find "PItched" is really good at finding the best loop point for a stretched sample as the loop becomes a pitch period calculated based on the assigned note of the sample.
I have. They can all work great. I do find the way I show here to be the best for the type of sounds I make, like brass, strings and stuff like that. I shot video of the other types of loops, but the video was long enough so I cut it out.
Awesome Espen!!!!
Did you ever use the XP80 Roland for loops???
That's not a sampler. This video isn't about loops.
Hehe.. the XP80 is a workstation based on the JV-1080 and is purely a rompler. Everything is already pre-looped. Try with a sampler instead (W and S series +all the modern crap from Roland)
So you only sample C3 to save time and hassle of dealing with too many samples?
It depends on what type of final output I'm going for. Sometimes one stretched sample is exactly what I want. At other times I multi-sample 100 keys to get it right.
Thanks Espen.