Hi! I completely agree that I do not understand how this film is being labeled as a feminist tale. However, after watching I actually felt it was a bit offensive and honestly anti-feminist?? Many women I see reviewing online argue that this film depicts the feminine experience well, and while I think Lily Rose-Depp's performace was amazing, I honestly felt the story was overwhelming focused on her having sex and being sexualized? Which I personally do not find relatable or empowering... not that women's empowerment was the goal of the film. But with the reviews claiming it to be feminist I just feel it is fair to point out. As well, near the end, I found the the relationship between Ellen and the Count somewhat coercive and nonconsenual? Also, I know this is basic, but I also don't recall many, if any, conversation between the (ONLY) 2 women characters that was about anything other than their husbands? Peple are also pointing the scene where Ellen cries she's "dirty" after her sexual relations with the Count.. and her husband is like "no I still love you" ... and I just feel that the last thing I need is for a man to comfort me when I feel dirty because of the sexism and oppression I expierence for being horny or enaging in sex with men? Like how is that empowering? Maybe if she decided on her own accord that she wasn't "dirty" or lesser because she fucks???... Idk. Overall I just really don't understand why people are calling this relatable or feminist? The last thing I care to see is another movie about a bunch of white guys in old-timey England with a lack of women characters who are often just moaning and naked? I guess people are arguing it depicts the sexual liberation of women who expierenced a lot of shame during that time? But again, my concern when it comes to women's issues and expierences is not focused on sex with men. Idk, after watching this I honestly found it kind of offensive?? Sorry this is so all over the place.. Someone please help me understand, am I missing something?????
To elaborate quickly, when I say "my concern when it comes to women's issues and expierences is not focused on sex with men" I do not mean I am unconcerned with women being sexually exploited by men. I am moreso pointing out that I have no interest in having sex with men when they so clearly are socialized to hate women. Meaning I do not find a movie concerned with women being able to have sex with men very inspiring. Hopefully this makes sense?
It is a friggin' VAMPIRE who takes possession of her, how in the name of anything sane is that supposed to be consensual? You know, if people just took the story at face value, and didn't try to force modern political theory onto it, they might end up, you know, enjoying it more?
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Hi! I completely agree that I do not understand how this film is being labeled as a feminist tale. However, after watching I actually felt it was a bit offensive and honestly anti-feminist?? Many women I see reviewing online argue that this film depicts the feminine experience well, and while I think Lily Rose-Depp's performace was amazing, I honestly felt the story was overwhelming focused on her having sex and being sexualized? Which I personally do not find relatable or empowering... not that women's empowerment was the goal of the film. But with the reviews claiming it to be feminist I just feel it is fair to point out.
As well, near the end, I found the the relationship between Ellen and the Count somewhat coercive and nonconsenual?
Also, I know this is basic, but I also don't recall many, if any, conversation between the (ONLY) 2 women characters that was about anything other than their husbands?
Peple are also pointing the scene where Ellen cries she's "dirty" after her sexual relations with the Count.. and her husband is like "no I still love you" ... and I just feel that the last thing I need is for a man to comfort me when I feel dirty because of the sexism and oppression I expierence for being horny or enaging in sex with men? Like how is that empowering? Maybe if she decided on her own accord that she wasn't "dirty" or lesser because she fucks???... Idk.
Overall I just really don't understand why people are calling this relatable or feminist? The last thing I care to see is another movie about a bunch of white guys in old-timey England with a lack of women characters who are often just moaning and naked? I guess people are arguing it depicts the sexual liberation of women who expierenced a lot of shame during that time? But again, my concern when it comes to women's issues and expierences is not focused on sex with men. Idk, after watching this I honestly found it kind of offensive?? Sorry this is so all over the place.. Someone please help me understand, am I missing something?????
To elaborate quickly, when I say "my concern when it comes to women's issues and expierences is not focused on sex with men" I do not mean I am unconcerned with women being sexually exploited by men. I am moreso pointing out that I have no interest in having sex with men when they so clearly are socialized to hate women. Meaning I do not find a movie concerned with women being able to have sex with men very inspiring. Hopefully this makes sense?
We COMPLETELY get what you mean! -C
It is a friggin' VAMPIRE who takes possession of her, how in the name of anything sane is that supposed to be consensual? You know, if people just took the story at face value, and didn't try to force modern political theory onto it, they might end up, you know, enjoying it more?