3 Rare Military Surplus Rifles in My Collection
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- Hey Guys and Gals! Happy New Year and in this video I discuss three rare rifles I have in my collection! One of which you will not find on Ian McCollums's Forgotten Weapons Channel. When you think about the hundreds of millions of weapons produced throughout the last century and a half, the desirable rare birds are the ones that appeal to the many sophisticated collectors. These hard to find collectible rifles came from an estate locally. The estate comprised of over two hundred rifles and pistols, dating from as early as the 1700's. In this video, I discuss some of the history behind the three that I was fortunate enough to take home.
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Chapters:
Intro 0:00
Persian Mauser M49 Carbine 0:28
Thai Type 91 2:05
FN49 Venezuela Contract 4:47
Outro: 8:14
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Lets see, Some rarest rifles I have from the most common to the most rare are the Egyptian Rasheed rifle with ~7000 having been made, a Thai Type 83/88 at least 2000 made (though my current hypothesis is that the type of rifle I have and the others like it are not actually a Type 83/88s but should be Type 83/2502's and the true Type 83/88 in Thai military service was while similar in concept actually a slightly different pattern), the Thai Army Type 91 which ~1300 had been made (+1000 of the police Type 91 variant), a Siamese Type 46/66 that had been scrubbed and remarked with arabic numerals unknown how many got remarked like that though for rarity context in the time since I started collecting Thai firearms I have seen 10 Thai army type 91's go up for auction but only 3 Type 46/66's that have been remarked with Arabic numerals, A Japanese Type 30 sent to Siam for military trials unknown how many were sent for trials but there are 8 known currently, and finally the rarest, the only confirmed known example of a Thai made Type 46/66 with best guess amongst experts being maybe 200 originally having been made.
Good info on the numbers, thanks! Not too many folks collect Siamese rifles, it seems extraordinarily niche, but very interesting. What sparked your interest in Siamese rifles?
@@BattlefieldCurator I can confidently say what started my interest in collecting Siamese rifles was me being completely ignorant of the subject. I use to buy whatever happened to catch my eye and that I could afford and essentially on impulse I bought a Type 46/66. I thought it looked really cool I decided I wanted to get one that was still in it's original cartridge. Found a Type 46, bought it and once it came in I looked to see if I could find a bit more information. I found out about the Type 66 and the Wikipedia entry on Arisaka which mentioned it also mentioned the Thai Type 91's, Type 83 and Type 83/88. The Type 91's were cool and I wanted one and by chance like two weeks later a Army Type 91 popped on gun broker. I won it and then realized I now had a Type 46, a Type 46/66, a Type 91, and one of the a Howa M1 carbines made for the Thai police (which I had bought like a year earlier not because it was Thai, but because it was Japanese as well as I thought might wind up being legal in NJ technically not being an "M1 carbine" which would make it's value skyrocket once word got out). Being completely ignorant due to the lack of info I thought to myself "I just need 6 more rifles (those mentioned plus the Type 47 and 47/66) and I'll have a complete collection of Siamese/Thai rifles" and so I became determined to complete it. As I searched I learned of and picked up other Thai rifles. Turns out there were a bunch more Thai rifles and variations out there that I need to collect to get a complete collection.
So I became driven to complete my collection of Thai firearms because of my ignorance in just how many variations and types are out there, and never lost that drive even as I discovered there was a lot more that I needed to complete my collection. On top of that as you mentioned it is an extraordinary niche area, but because it is, that is inadvertently makes it so incredible and exciting for me to collect in. Because there are very few collectors in this area prices are extremely affordable for most pieces. You mentioned Type 91's going for a premium, but the most I have paid for one is maybe 800. On top of that with so few people in this niche means there are things out there I am personally discovering. Big one for me is that Thai made Type 46/66, while their supposed existence had been known about since before I was born based on a Thai source, no example of such rifle had been found leading many to speculate the source may have simply been wrong, until I discovered one towards the end of 2020. That to me is incredibly cool and not something that's going to happen for an average person in any more main stream gun collecting area.
@@SpaceCowboyfromNJ wow, incredible story! Glad you were able to find a mythical rifle that was not a myth after all! That is really cool. I took a screenshot of a Type 91 that sold on GB around 1k a couple of years back. Saw another one listed for over that…. not sure if that one sold. I was surprised at that, but I’m guessing because it’s very niche, there would be variances in auction prices.
@@BattlefieldCurator There is definitely some variance in prices because of it being very niche. I actually think I know of the rifles you are talking about, the one that went over 1k was from the seller often referred to as "grey blanket" by many collectors and known to routinely have his items go for suspiciously high prices. The one that went for close to that price I believe was also from that same seller if I remember it correctly. From my personal observations average seems to be 500-750ish and I have picked one up for a cheep as 275. There was one that just sold a week ago for 610
@@SpaceCowboyfromNJ yea makes sense! Thanks for the Intel
Not gonna lie, the Persian crest is the best Mauser crest out there.
Agreed!
THX Dan Happy New Year !!
You're missing an awesome time here at Camp Perry for the National Matches. I just got another 1903 that turned out to be a "collector variant" since the receiver was sent to Springfield after Rock Island shut down in order for Springfield to turn them into finished rifles. I found information that they call these hybrids. At any rate, come up and shoot some matches and visit the North Store
I know lol I got word of all the fun up there
Very nice!
I have a couple that might be considered rare: an Argentine 1891/31 engineers carbine, from what I understand only 5,050 were made, also my Indonesian Model 1954 (coincidentally just made a video about it a few days ago), dunno how many were made but it’s also one so uncommon that even Forgotten Weapons doesn’t have a video on one yet.
Awesome, I’ll check out that video!
Great rifles need to add some of these to my want list
I also have a Venezuelan FN49. (Dioudonne is Doo-don-ayyy). It is rather picky with the ammo it likes in my experience. I finally found some surplus 7mm that I might try at some point. That Siamese Arisaka is pretty damn cool... I like weird, non-Japanese Arisakas.
Thanks for the pronunciation help Mike! I haven’t fired the FN49, not sure I really want to. I have seen some other Siamese rifles around but this one was quite the find imo.
I have a Sako Coltsman l57 (1957) that I was given by a friend before he passed. After doing some research it turns out less than 10k were ever made and even less were sold due them having to be special ordered before being put together. When colt realized the demand was not there they sent the remaining receivers back to Sako and parted out the barrels as surplus. They occasionally pop on the market but very rarely do they have the coltsman markings on the barrel. She is a very straight shooter and is by far one of the prettiest guns that I own.
Very hard to find piece! Thanks for sharing some of the backstory on it.
Love the channel and this is a great video. Some really rare milsurps. Question where did you purchase each at? Gun shows, Pawn Shops, Gunbroker, etc? Thanks so much and Happy New Year!
They all came from the same estate. Local gun shop owner knew the family. He didn’t know what some of them really were so I helped him identify most of the estate and got quite the discount on a few of them.
@@BattlefieldCurator Nice score. The previous owner new what he was doing when he was buying those firearms. I guess we are all just caretakers for awhile. Have a great new year!
I want to how you record that serial number on the Persian! 😂😂😂
lol I sent it to a Farsi translator I know
Zip 22 my rarest piece
I had to look it up, very unique!
Very cool! I've been dying for a Venezuelan Fn49. 7mm is my favorite caliber. I don't have a whole lot of rare stuff. I do have a 1953 Izhevsk sks non refurbished and in unissued condition. Also my favorite Milsurp pistol I own is a 1943 produced Colt Woodsman Match Target. Made for the Navy. It is Ordnance marked and G.H.D. marked. My favorite Mauser I own is pretty rare. An FN1940 contract Colombian Mauser in original 7x57. I have a few other weird Milsurp guns but I don't really think they are super rare. More like looked over by the Milsurp community. For example an 1891 Carcano converted to 7.62x39 by an Ethiopian dude. Lol
Nice! Those ones are still pretty cool 😎
My Albanian SKS is probably the rarest thing I have.
Those are somewhat hard to find, really unique too
@@BattlefieldCurator It's pretty neat. Only SKS I have, but I think it's a cool one. Took my dad and I two days a couple weeks ago to clean the cosmoline out of it.
@@Rumpel99 that’s always fun 😂
I’ve got an Izhevk 1943 Mosin Nagant 91/30. Super rare….
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What surplus rifles would you recommend for someone just getting into collecting? Two I was thinking of snagging next was a persian and swedish mauser (with full intentions to shoot fairly often)
Probably the Persian Mauser, especially for ammo availability as well (8mm Mauser). But I would also suggest looking for a good deal locally, and just network with the shop owners. You might find an Enfield, a Mosin, or even a Garand that’s underpriced. Check out some small gunshows, you could find some deals there as well. Read some Gun books at barns n nobles, and know the history. Mosins and SKS carbines are still very common and are usually some of the first things people buy as novice collectors. Ammo is highly available for those two as well.
Nice rifles. I really don't have any "rare" rifles. I guess my beretta olympia or my beretta neos carbine. I had bought a type 99 sniper without the scope for 350. Sold it for over 1000
I don’t even know what a Type 99 Sniper is worth these days, but it sounds very desirable
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I prefer my Scandinavian rifles like my Finnish M39's and my 6.5x55 Swedish M96 based CG63. I wish I had bought M1 carbines when they were not popular and fairly inexpensive. The prices on original M1 Carbines are very expensive now.
My 3 would be my Winchester P14 (or German feature VZ24/G 24.T), a Karab 98B from the Weimar Republic, and lastly my “J” series Mas 36 which by most accounts shouldn’t exist and it’s been over stamped on the receiver with a block I. Ian’s book never mentions why a gun would be like this but according to Reddit and other forums it was a thing done to “J” series rifles all with pre war features.
That’s really cool!
@@BattlefieldCurator I saw a venisualen fn49 a few years back for $900 passed on it because I didn’t realize they were so rare very cool rifle man!
Nice rare rifles! Honestly I think FN49 was too complicated of construction and design to be a game changer for Germany. Not to mention finicky(I have a Venezuelan FN49). Now if the Germans were somehow able to use Swedens AG-42 Ljungman(Got this one too) design I think that would have been a real contender against the allies.
Yea, I can definitely understand the peculiar design of the FN49. I’ve not even shot it but I’ve disassembled it. I believe the Germans would have needed a lot more than an infantry rifle to stay competitive in a war on two fronts.
The rare rifle I've got is a M.H.G. 99 Savage. The bad thing is. The stock was cut down.
Dang 😞
I have a Czech made Mauser vz 33 I i thinking for Mountain fightingI haven’t done any research yet
Looks like a hard to find Mauser! Have fun with it!
hi Dan the Germans did have the k43 semi auto 8mm which saw service in ww2
Yes as well as the G43, and later select fire STG44, but would Germany have been impressed enough with the FN49 (if plans and prototypes were captured during 1940) to issue it to troops?
I don’t have any rare rifles, just a sino-Soviet SKS with Albanian stock
Interesting 🤔
Germany had the STG-44
I have one rare rifle. It's a Tikka step barrel Mosin nagant rifle. One in 10'000 ever made .
Well that’s cool! So many variations in Mosin collecting!
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I hunt with it too. Very accurate.
Pretty cool, but what is "rifles"?
I have a Finnish M39 with a Civil Guard number stamped. It's in mint condition with no scratches or dents in the arctic birch stock. I have seen estimates that only 10,000 M39's were marked for their Civil Guard.
Yes that’s interesting… usually it’s the M28/30s that we’re Civil Guard if I recall
@@BattlefieldCurator Yep! I just looked up the numbers again. Only 10,500 rifles were completed from the original contract starting in 1942 before the war ended. Mine has a [SA] marking along with a "9679" which designates the district in Finland.
I don't like using the word "rare" for general issue battle rifles, the word is way overused. Anyways, some "you don't see that everyday" rifles I have, svt 40, g 98/40 (sadly sporterized but working on it), a last year Finnish marked m96, a Russian made then sent to China ans Albania sks with a dudes name carved into it, labeled as "China" on the import stamp and a hakim. Again I don't consider them rare.
Yea I agree, it’s overused and I cringe when I see it on Gun listings. I didn’t really want to use the term and was trying to think of something else to classify them as when making the video, but I just didn’t want to over complicate things. Thanks for sharing and nice collection of “hard to find ‘em’s”
I'd like to think my rifle is rare, not rare by model but rare by condition. 1932 mosin nagant 91/30. after I purchased it I took it to a gunsmith to give it a quick once over because I didnt know anything about it and he said it didnt look like it had ever been fired. you can tell the stock was refinished but the rest of the rifle looks pristine. the bolt face was still machined smooth, no casing stamp.
Is it a Tula or Izhevsk? Is the stock color a red stain or a tan stain? Laminated stock? What is the import mark say? Many Mosin 91/30 rifles came into the country refurbished, so they look new. Over time, the shelack they used on the stock chips away and the rifles look worn. I’m going to guess that yours was a recent import or well taken care of. The hex receiver 91/30s are a bit more in desirable than a standard round receiver 91/30. You can google 7.62.net for more info on your Mosin.
@@BattlefieldCurator hex receiver, all numbers matching minus bayonet. by the website I have an izhevsk, the stock looks like red stain/laminate. deep dark wood, I dont see or exactly know what I'm looking for for an import mark
@@artardFTW yea those Russian Red stained laminate stocks look great! Import marks would have details like the importer (like PW arms, CAI, SAMCO, etc) the model of rifle, caliber, location of import, country of origin, and sometimes an alternate serial number.