Because in the paths, I don't think there can be two founding titans because once she gave up the founding titan to eren(free from bondage) she has lost connection to it that means she don't have access it again
Yes, this explanation is the best I've heard as the culmination of all the bits and pieces I have also analyzed within the story... As to why Ymir is waiting for someone like Eren for 2,000 years, and also why Ymir also needed Mikasa for her plan... And that she needed both of them to be free from the slavery of the King through Eren, and to be free from her love for the King through Mikasa. She needed both of them to undo the mistakes she had made in the past, that is saving the King from the spear and letting the King to continue to use the Titan Powers for world domination after she died... But for me, seeing we still witnessed the aftermath of The Rumbling, means all of this was Ymir's plan from the beginning to undo her dreadful past and prevent the tragic story of Attack on Titan in her own Alternate Reality Timeline.
I had always thought that the first and last title struck me as ymir's pov. To You, in 2000 years, from you, 2000 years ago. Only ymir has that scale in years
To everyone saying "This theory can't work, cause then the show wouldn't happen," or something to that effect - if the entire point of the show is to create the singular memory of Mikasa unaliving Eren to be sent back to Ymir so she doesn't feel compelled to take the spear for Fritz, then we the audience are seeing all of the necessary context for that memory to be sent back and meaningful enough for Ymir not to jump in front of the spear. It would mean that everything we as the audience saw essentially never happened, but that's the whole point of this theory as I understand it. That being said, I think the post credit scenes with Mikasa at the grave and watching Eren's grave as time moves *forward* is the most likely proof that this isn't Isayama's intent with the story. Why not make the post scenes shots of Ymir with her children / living to old age, then the world going in a different direction without titans, even if that world ends up at war for a different reason in a different age? If we had seen Ymir heavily featured in that ending sequence, I think this theory would have a much stronger leg to stand on. Regardless, I do *love* the idea that the entire show is Ymir creating enough emotional force to make her younger self not feel the need to take the spear for Fritz... thank you for making this video.
@@trentsage Imagining a future 2,000 years from a single point is impossible due to the sheer number of 'moving parts'. At best, she could only accurately imagine one day. After that, chaos theory kicks in. It's like trying to predict the path of every ball on a pool table in a single shot, it can't be done, so we can safely assume that the events in the show happened in reality, not in her mind. If Ymir really did change her mind about saving King Fritz, the timeline we saw would still continue like the ending sequence suggests, there would just be another timeline branching from her decision to let him die. And we do see a couple of scenes after she decided not to step in front of the spear, which suggests that is what happens. If this isn't the case, then it does beg the question 'why not?'. We have seen the holders of the attack titan not just receiving memories from the future but being influenced by them. It makes no sense for that to be the case for all of them except Ymir
@@kukuki5000 why would making endless sculptures mean someone would know the movement of every atom? Because that's what it would take. Those two things are not equal and are not connected
@@kukuki5000 You're going to need to put it better, because just saying "endless possibilities" doesn't make endless sculptures equal to knowing how every atom everywhere will move and interact with every other atom. Use your words, not mine
Very cool theory but it cant really work. A major rule in attack on titan is that the future cant be changed and that the timeline/reality is set in stone. Thats why Eren felt like such a slave bc there was nothing he could do to avoid the future that had been revealed to him. Even if ymir really did gain insight into the future from all of this, it wouldnt matter. She would be locked into her fate just like Eren was.
Not necessarily; Eren admitted that he was unable to change the future and the rumbling needed to happen because he’s an idiot, so hypothetically someone smarter or less brutish could reshape the future. I’m saying Eren is locked into Ymir’s predetermined timeline. And Ymir was also locked in, until Mikasa took out Eren, giving her the opportunity to reshape her life. We know she’s present and able to sent this memory backwards, it would just be a matter of what this means for Eren and Mikasa and the rest of their world: do they disappear? Or they live out their timeline fully? reincarnation?
@ I dont think erens inability to change the future has to do with his intelligence. It seems to be a law of the aot universe. We see this when grisha sees the future and tells zeke that nothing will go his way anymore, and eren will get whatever he wants. Grisha and zeke are some of the smartest characters and even when the predetermined future is revealed to them, they are still powerless against it. Eren tries to alter the future multiple times, not even in a way directly related to the rumbling, and it just never works. When he sees that kid (Ramzi I think?) getting beat up, he recognizes this event from his future memories and remembers he saves him, even though theres no reason to. Bc theres no reason, Eren decided to leave but in the end he does exactly as the future says, and Eren realizes the future will always come to pass no matter what. This phenomenon has nothing to do with the characters intelligence and is moreso a law of nature. I think eren crediting the rumbling to him being an idiot has a different meaning than your interpretation, but thats a whole nother essay so Ill stop here
@@bumperjumper he’s an idiot, because no human can be prepared to become some sort of laplace's demon and act normally. we probably would have felt as stupid as him in his place
@@whatyouwant4337Wait I wanna know what him crediting the rumbling to him being an idiot means to you. I liked the other points you made so I wanna hear this one. 😊
@@UpturnTheUncool What eren was saying is that the rumbling is the only future that exists, but the reason that its the only future is bc an idiot like himself has the founders power. I think he’s hypothesizing that if someone smarter than him had the same power, then perhaps the future would behold something completely different. This doesnt mean that this other smarter person would have the ability to change the future. It just means that their future might never include the rumbling in the first place. The guy who responded to me was saying if eren was smarter, he could change the rumbling. I disagree, a smarter eren wouldnt actually “change” the future of the rumbling through his intelligence. He would just have a different fate all together. Atleast, thats what eren thinks. He himself doesnt even know for sure. My explanation might not have been the best tbh. It’d be easier for me to convey these things in a conversation setting
this is the first time i heard the theory that the boy in the end could have been eren or his and mikasa's kid from a DIFFERENT timeline that ymir created by not saving king fritz
With the after credits of the latest movie, it could be the child of these Eren and Mikasa. They were talking about the titans being real 100 years ago. It could be that the time-lapse was long enough for their child to reach the tree.
Nice theory, but from what I remember there are no instances of the visions/memories from the Attack Titan actually changing the future. It seems like AoT's universe works on a kind of "fixed future" time travel ruleset, where whatever actions/information are obtained from the future never actually alter the way things happen, the new action/information was always a part of the past anyway.
In principal, and as portrayed by most sci-fi media, going back in time and making a change (which is effectively what the Attack Titan does by sending memories back) doesn't alter the outcome of the CURRENT timeline, but rather creates ANOTHER one that manifests that outcome. As one of the top commenters here mentioned (I think it's @trentsage), this theory isn't all that viable due to the post-credits scene of Mikasa + everyone else visiting Eren's grave by the tree. HOWEVER, the outcome of Ymir choosing not to jump in front of King Fritz (i.e. the events of the entire show as we know it never happening), rather than being fulfilled in THIS timeline where Eren is dead & everyone else lives on post-rumbling (and essentially erasing it), it gets fulfilled in a separate timeline (the power of the Titans ends with Ymir, and the Eldian race naturally proliferates over millennia). And personally, I like to think of that separate timeline as the school Castes AU where our beloved characters get to live happy, innocent lives :') Edit: And this can be backed up by the fact that we see goth Mikasa and nerd Armin briefly in one of the season 4 episodes!
I don't think that scene was ymir going back in time and not actually taking the spear literally I think it was her accepting herself and "not taking the spear" metaphorically as in, choseing to accept and let go of king fritz and chose her love for her children over her slave love for her king. She is outside of time and the o ly way for her to heal emotionally was for her to see Mikasa kill Eren and then move on from him even though she didn't forget him. The same way Eren sent the titan to eat his mom to set up the events she took the spear and allowed herself to die so she could free herself from her unhealthy and abusive obsession with king fritz. She didn't change anything she just accepted that he was an evil and selfish prick who deserved to die and forgave and accepted herself as a human being deserving of love and happiness, and experiences it through Mikasa
Ya but if Ymir didn't take the spear for the King and didn't pass on the power of the titants, that would mean that grisha never goes to paradi because there isn't an island like that causing erin to never be born. Another issue this could cause is that, depending on how time works in AOT this would cause the grandfather paradox. If erin isn't born he couldn't have sent those memories to ymir.
Well it basically fucks up everything honestly, I don't think Zeke's mother would even have existed, and the fact that there aren't any titants in the future would drastically change everything, Grisha might not even be at Marley, he might be in paradis or elsewhere.. who knows honestly. Butterfly effect for real.
That's a bit of a stretch. If the titans didn't exist, the Eldians wouldn't have been separated during the great titan war, meaning that Grisha could've met Carla, anyway
this has got to be one of the best videos on AoT's ending! This perfectly explains everything, makes so much sense AND its a great story. Love it, everyone should watch this after finishing Aot
5:09 THANK YOU!!!!!! Finally!! I would post this on Reddit and other forms on social media and no one believed me at all that he was there from the beginning and it's literally there in the title of the first episode. Thank you after all these years finally someone else sees it!
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 They couldn't have been born because history would have been changed too much and maybe their parents or grandparents would have never met each other.
So all of AOT was a wild fever dream timeline? If none of the events in the present story happened, you're saying all of these characters, Jean, Marco, Annie, Eren, Mikasa, etc, still exist in another true timeline but with a happier life? Your theory makes so much sense and it's not some random crap like other theories. In a way, it feels like the dreams I have, a whole different life that never took place. Thank you, Bumper Jumper.
Btw in the song "to you, 2000, or 20000 years from now" at some point the guy in German sings something about the tower of Babel and idk about you but that feels like an important reference from the Bible about all of the events in aot. Any thoughts? I also feel like it could be a reference to the anime x1999 which has an ending like AOT, even though the anime was like 20 years ago.
no his dream didnt specifically say odm gear. the flying was foreshadowing the flying jaw titan althought he did say he remembers flying with a sword tho. but definetly not odm gear
Falco had this dream in the 1st Episode of Season 4 where Falco, Gabi and the others are first introduced in the story... So no other Eldian who can share past memories to Falco maybe it be in the past or future that flies using a mechanism and weilds swords other than Future Eren himself, using the Founding Titan's Memory Manipulation... maybe he wants to inspire Falco how it feels to fly and thus influenced Falco to inherit a Jaw Titan that has the ability to fly, as we also know was due to Zeke's Beast Titan Spinal Fluid.
Bro realise this....falco was the one who got jaw titan by eating galliard...galliard had eaten ymir (the fake one) and inherited the jaw titan. So it's obvious that the falco was experiencing a memory falacy because ultimately he will also share the jaw titan power later. That make sense.
I think Eren sending the message back makes more sense. With all the craziness that occurred in that world before the start of the story, we have to believe that Ymir had plenty of opportunity to send back messages that would have convinced her old self not to take the spear. Interesting theory either way.
So all this (the story of AoT) happened, but in reality everything after Rumbling went back to the past (in the time of King Fritz) so that Ymir could change the future and thus the whole story of AoT was just a dream of Eren sent to him by Ymir? Because if Ymir changed the past, no Titans would exist because she wouldn't have passed them on to anyone?. If that were the case, then why is Mikasa sitting at Eren's grave and then there's the whole part about time passing, Mikasa having a baby, Paradise developing and then the war starts? If Ymir changed the past right after Rumbling, that would mean that this scene at the tree with Mikasa and Eren's grave wouldn't make sense. And even if Ymir changed the whole past and future, why would she send a dream to little Eren when Eren couldn't be an Attack Titan and no walls or Titans would exist at all. Either all this happened, Eren died etc. But Ymir created her own "dimension" or "reality" after Rumbling in which she could experience what she couldn't. I'm 21 and I started watching AoT because I was bored in the evenings. I watched anime as a little kid like Pokemon and other silly things. But this literally got me and now I started watching One Piece haha. But I think Hajime Isayama overdid this story a bit and got himself tangled up in it. I think the middle of season 4 is just a bit confusing and I didn't feel the same way about it as the previous three seasons. Nothing can be perfect and I think this was too much for Isayama to swallow. That's why fans are always looking for something that is there and isn't. Because the ending is just a bit unthought-out. + I think Ymir was manipulating Eren all along, so that Eren could manipulate the past. Because Eren said that there was no other option than to choose between Rumbling or the death of his friends and the island. But that's stupid, there were certainly many options. But he did everything so that Ymir would reach the point where Mikasa would kill Eren. That's probably why Eren felt that he wasn't free and was still looking for a way to gain freedom. After Ymir disappeared, Eren gained freedom. I don't know, it just seems like a poorly thought out ending to this story. Just my opinion.
I agree with you. I've thought about it a lot too. Isayama just didn't understand the ending. He knew from the beginning how the story should end, but everything got terribly messed up. Ymir, time travel, various details, endless cycle and wars, how come Eren saw the future at the beginning of the first season when he wasn't an Attack Titan yet. And how could an adult Eren see the future when there was no Attack Titan after him and thus he could not see the memories of the future attack titan? I don't know the whole thing is weird.
I like your point on time and how the continuation after the rumbling seems inconsistent. However, Eren and Mikasa’s world could be a timeline that is allowed to happen. We don’t know exactly when Ymir sent the memory backwards to her younger self, and this opens up the grandfather paradox, because Eren and Mikasa’s timeline existed, but then didn’t. I agree that the plot pigeonholed itself into only two options which is kind of silly. What other solutions would you have considered? And I love your point about Ymir manipulating Eren so he could manipulate the past for one outcome: mikasa taking him out
@@kralkralu1623eren saw the future at the beginning of the first season most likely bc his future self sent that memory to him using the founders power(I say most likely bc its also possible that ymir did it as evidenced by that episodes title). Either way, neither of these are plot holes. Adult Eren saw the future bc his future self sent those memories back to his father, then when eren touched his fathers notebook and historias hand more of his fathers memories were opened up to him which included his own future. Its normal for a titan shifter to inherit memories of the titan before them. Because the titan before eren knew erens future, thus eren came to know his future
If I had the ability to manipulate time, I would destroy that tree before Ymir’s arrival. Then the grandfather paradox comes into play. In my opinion, the transmission of memories to ancestors is a consequence born from the division of Ymir’s power.
Omg bro u did more analyzing than my English teacher, that’s impressive bro. Ngl bro this was actually something that never even once crossed my mind while I was watching AOT. Now, idek what the show is about. Great vid dude.
Thanks!! Thats motivating! When I first thought of this theory I wondered why no one else has correlated Ymir with being the first attack titan. I’m glad you enjoyed man!
OMGOMGOMG!.... when i saw this video's title, i've thought that it's like one of the clickbait videos but i watched it anyway. and NOW i feel like this is the first time i understand aot. few months ago, when i finished watching aot, there was a lot of things i couldnt understand. when i cant understand something i spend all my time trying to get it. so i made some theories myself to fill the blanks in my head. but the theories i made havent got any evidences and they were just like "this is the only way logical! what could it be otherwise?". watching this video, i realised that there IS a logical way other than mine. and with the evidences and parallels it has, i finally felt satisfied.
Rest assured, on this channel I only show my most promising theories OR the most ridiculous ones 🤣 no in between I’m happy to hear you say that! The original ending we received felt like it lacked closure for a lot of plot points, which I believe this theory solves. Let me know if any of the theories you’ve thought of are convincing! (Or ridiculous)
@@bumperjumper well, even i cant fully understand my theories and make the connect between them. i'm actually planning on writing them clearly on a paper or smth but i'm too lazy to do it. but when i do, ill make sure to share with you :)
This Show is so insane crazy. Every day I wake up, I see another secret plot twist and thousends of fore shaddowing scenes. This is such a masterpiece.
At end Eren replaced Ymir in the paths now he is the founder and i probaably think if there will be aot 2 he is the one who will be building the titans from sand
I dont think Eren would do that. The only reason Ymir did it was because of her own mindset. She loved the king and served him for 2000 years out of that love and couldnt fathom breaking it until mikasa showed her it was possible. I cant see eren shackled by anything like that especially when he hated his while existence since he was, like armin said, a slave to the future and the past.
Except the world continues after Ymir "dissapears." So one of two things happened; the post final battle story continues as a divergent timeline where we see the post credits, and Ymir sans Fritz is a different timeline. Or the theory is wrong. Without the bloodstained history there is no Eren, there is no Mikasa. You can't have it both ways.
the attack titan cannot send memories to the past or future. Eren can do that because he was in the paths with Zeke. with the combination of the two of them Eren specifically used the power of the paths to send memories and vision to the past. it isnt inherently a thing attack titans can do.
Thats a very interesting theory. I personally have a theory that goes in a different direction that is less focused on the human characters. My theory is that this is actually the final result of the hallucegenia aka "life" using humans to survive and perpetuate itself into the future. Most people for obvious reasons analyze based on the compelling characters in the story but one of the greatest themes of the overall work is how life struggles against other life to survive. We know the least about this organism but we know from what Zeke stated it wants to survive and reproduce. We also know that thanks to the story the 9 titans were made as a result of the cannibalistic rituals of the eldyian empire. It is likely that how Ymir percieved was very close to how this lifeform percieved time in a very drawn out existence with nearly infinite time in a symbiotic relationship with humans as its descendants were passed down for hundreds of generations and likely its conciousness in this dimension of the paths evolved alongside humans. Then came the kings vow to renounce war and accept suicide to other humans. This now jeopardizes the future survival of the organism, and if it had influence over the humans it exists with would likely evolve or influence us in a way to help it survive and continue as a species. Cue the attack titan. The means of taking the founding titans power from the human lineage that was set upon self destruction. It may be a slight syretch but I dont think by much and all the pieces are already there to make this narrative make sense, especially when you consoder the human tragedy of the ending with 80% of humans exterminated by an extinction level event it served with chosen humans to organize. The ultimate human resistance was stipping the rumbling at all so that humanity in some form could continue, but as we saw in the ending the tree survived from where Erens head was buried. You may not have also seen the leaked sketch of Isaima when the final chapters came out but there was a very clear picture of Erens dead head connected to the tree that was cut from the final manga panels for whatever reason. He also said that he wanted the story to have a bittersweet ending like the mist. With all the variables in mind I think the implication was that all the story accomplished was a renewal of the cycle and the continued propogation of the organisms species now hidden away from humans collectively in a technogically advancing time that posed a threat to its existence with a new more aggressive founder to replace Ymir. The consequences for a future in that world would be terrifying.
I already knew about everything to do with Ymir and Eren. I agree completely. However i found the information on Mikasa quite insightful. This is a really good video.
Some people might disagree with me, but this was a terrible ending for the show. It would have been much better if Mikasa killed Eren, and it ends with him waking up from his dream in season 1 episode 1. Eren would have all of his memories from his previous life, and would be given another chance to correct things.
STANDING OVATION: Round of Applause I believe your theory is correct and that is the final twist and true ending which explains; TO YOU: From 2000 years in the Future. This has all been for Ymir's insight. AoT will forever in my eyes be a literary masterpiece. Good on you for catching this, because I certainly forgot.
Great theory, but unfortunately Attack on Titan is a pretty solid, self-contained, time loop so much so that things that could've been changed with time travel have already been changed and everything is engraved in stone. I don't think what we saw would've changed by Ymir sending back memories. What is interesting is however goth Mikasa, nerd Armin and their universe/timeline because they specifically are shown in the dream sequence while going to the paths. Barring that the OVA Mikasa's world and EreMika's 4 years is just genjutsu and narrative parallel story telling done brilliantly.
Honestly, I want this to be true. At first I was thinking this was a typical fan theory that overthinks everything, but it all makes sense to me. I would love to see a series with the founding titan and all this coming full circle. That would be so cool if done right.
A very sound theory! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. However to me the end signified that the cycle would continue. The show never explained exactly where the organism/symbiote Ymir encountered in the tree came from. So as a theory, what if that organism was borne from pain and suffering e.g. war and strife? And what if the exact same circumstances that led of the eventual destruction of Paradis created a new symbiote in the tree that the unidentified person with his dog were walking into? So then the cycle would repeat itself and the moral of the story would be that mankind never learns and continues to choose suffering over paradise and peace.
I like the idea of this, but I think the amine does a pretty strong job of making it clear that everything is already predestined to happen the way it will, or rather that time is just a continuum that exists at all point, and most people just happen to experience it linearly. Regardless of where people are acting with knowledge of the future or with free will, they culmination of those actions is still just what always happens. Like how Zeke tries to heal Eren from their fathers' supposed manipulation which is actually what allows Eren to influence Grisha into his most horrific acts. Because of all the self-referential feedback loops of time nonsense, I like to imagine it as the natural settling point of the whole system. Like maybe theoreretically there was one initial timeline that went back and influenced a new timeline into existence, but due different people having different information and abilities, the changes oscillate less and less between iterations until there is only one outcome wherein any attempt to change it was just part of it all along
I've been saying this line of thinking since chapter 139 dropped. I've always thought that Ymir has set things up to find a way to break the chains that hold her and her people. She put Eren in this paradox to help achieve that for her. Eren can't change the future, and none of them can stop everyone's suffering, but they can buy time, and there will always be hope. That's what I got out of the ending to this story and Ymir's millennia long bet. I am SO glad to see someone make a video out of this, and this was summarised really nicely!
My theory is that the tree in the Paths is not a tree, but rather roots. The actual part of the tree that has the leaves and shit is "above ground" where Ymir thinks she just had a wild fever dream after drinking one too many wine glasses and now has to go back to the reality of ruling the lands between.
This is bery possible to happen since Eren tried to change the future multiple times, this implies that he was trying out timelines which each one of them is separate from the other (for example: he tries to change the future but fails, so he thinks: timeline 1 failed. Then he moves on to try a second time and then he fails so timeline 2 failed as well, noting that timeline 1 and 2 are two separate timelines). So this could actually work, upon watching Mikasa killing Eren, Ymir found what she was looking for, a strong motivation to let go of her love for the king, so she captures that moment and sends it to her younger self telling her in a way that he isn't worth all that you're doing, which prompts her to not save him, further giving birth to a whole separate timeline in which she lives happily with her children.
Hear me out - at first I thought this couldn’t be possible because we see the world “recover” from the rumbling. Eren’s grave age, etc.. but this theory can still be possible if we think of thought time travel as happening like in the Terminator universe. That when you travel through time you create a branch of new realities/ possible futures. So that means that all of AOT as we saw it is real and did happen, BUT thanks to Eren sending all the memories back to Ymir she now has the chance to create an alternate timeline depending on her choice. Both can essentially coexist. We have followed one possibility, with the hope of there being a different one out there thanks to his message sent to her “2000 years ago”
Maybe that theory with Ymir is the reason for the Attack on School Caste, that's why we can see the trio inside the cinema. The reign of the titan ended much earlier and everyone was free and no one gates Eldians.
I too had suspected this theory but now I think Ymir might have created a new reality/world or travelled to another timeline/ universe . My reasoning for it is that in the OVA , the Mirror man said, "no matter the world you make, you cannot stop Eren's death." which suggests that it's not the first time Eren died and somehow because of Mikasa who couldn't accept his death , made a new world but its probably Ymir since seeing the world through Mikasa's eyes. So, as Ymir wasn't able to get to the end result which was Mikasa killing Eren or accept his death in that timeline, she created a new alternate reality/world or travelled to a different universe to get that end result and when it finally worked in the timeline we saw in the anime, then she made another new world / reality or travelled back in another universe once again and didn't choose to save king Fritz which was shown in the flashes of the anime . Pls note that multiverse is already been shown in the anime with a few scenes. I don't think what Ymir would change in the past would be the same aot universe that we were shown but a different one as we have already seen that when Eren changed things in the past, it had already happened in the anime but wouldn't have happened if he didn't intervened so it's most likely that what Ymir would change in the past wouldn't affect in aot timeline that we saw in the Anime and with the new post credit scene in the movie, Attack on Titan: The last Attack, where we were shown Eren, Mikasa and Armin, they were probably reincarnated versions of the anime timeline since they confirmed that over a 100 years ago titans existed and we already saw a frame of Goth Mikasa and Armin in the two brothers episode in the Anime who were both being shown in Eren's perspective.
I guess my only issue would be the Attack Titan doesn't get to choose what memories future holders send. Eren was able to make sure Grisha couldn't see what happened to his wife.
I think his reasoning stems from her being the progenitor. Eren being a subject of Ymir shouldn’t be able to alter anything for real just do things he thinks will change the future that were always apart if it. However as the original source of power I think the creator of this video believes that Ymir can actually alter the past and that she did after Mikasa’s last attack and her words to Ymir in the end.
@@UpturnTheUncool i believe that you cant manipulate the past without making a different time line, because if not and you manipulated the past then you never really manipulated the past
@@UpturnTheUncool i 100% think that this was just a last ditch effort on trying to make mikasa seem more important since her character is just so lack luster, worse than literal side characters like marlo or keith
@@blazingblueinferno4673 Could there be alternate timelines though? That Lost Girls OVA seems to suggest so but I think that might be going a little far and further complicates the story. Honestly either belief is fine with me. I like them both. 😊 I’m not going to fully agree with you on the Mikasa thing cause there have been minor hints at Mikasa having something to do with everything (red scarf in opening sequence with Ymir and the devil of all earth, her headaches periodically, her parallel with Ymir and how they desire to save/help someone they love as a vague explanation for Mikasas devotion to Eren etc). However I won’t knock your theory cause there seems to be something off about it. If anything it just wasn’t fleshed out enough, cause like I mentioned there were hints, they were just vague.
@@UpturnTheUncool ive always assumed they just were not cannon just like how mikasa armin historia and jean probably turning into a titan were very most likely not canon. theres no definite proof but... its more of a, god doesnt exist to me not because i dont like the idea, but because it just isnt reasonable to me and very much isnt probable. if i had to give my guess on what i think, i think that the same thing that happened with mikasa and eren where they dreamt they ran away happened with ymir and her children. there are tiny hints of some sort of "involvement" but its really like isayama couldnt be bothered until pretty much the last second. everyone is a plot device at the end of the day but atleast they a nice fleshed out, clear goal of what you want them to convey and their message. canonically mikasa's scarf isnt even red, as well as normally with parallels or atleast good ones they are specific sort of like reiner and eren or armin and bertoldt or even historia and eren, but with mikasa and ymir the parallel is "they are trying to save/help someone they love" and i get how themeatically they portray that as a parallel between ymir and mikasa when the same thing could be said about anyone that has loved someone in this entire series and has had their loved one being put in a life or death situation. the contrast is that, ymir saved fritz giving up her own life and becoming a slave and mikasa killing eren and giving up on eren because its "morally right" and i know that sounds like it really doesnt support my point because its saying that mikasa has a parallel with ymir because they loved someone that is doing "bad things" but mikasa was able to do something ymir could never do which was let the person they loved die for the greater good. this would be fine but its just invalidated by the fact that first of all king fritz never loved ymir and wasnt loyal to her whilst it seems that eren was loyal to mikasa atleast in heart and loved her. and second of all eren wanted to die anyway, imagine how amazing of a character historia is because she could have just ate eren and to "save humanity" and eren would have been okay with this but historia decided no because she knows how it feels to think the world and everyone wants them better off dead. mikasa killing eren while loving him really feels simply like a paradox and theres no way to go around that.
Nice theory. I'm confused about one thing though. If this is true, then why couldn't Yimir have done this earlier in the story? If she doesn't need to be physically there to send back the memory, why did she wait till all this played out?
I think this is a good theory, but it makes me question if, every time they send back memories, it actually just creates 2 timelines. Meaning that there is a timeline where Eren saw he *could* change the future, and stopped going along with his premonition
If I had Ymir's power I would use it to retcon AOT and get another series! AOT is in my top 3 anime of all time. They did my boy Eren dirty! Jaegerist all the way! Because of Iseyama's way of ending it, "I will never forgive the Japanese!"
this theory is so full of depth. Hegel believed that reality is going forward a better future as a result of all of our ideas battle. Even the after credits describes us the next battle that will outcomes the better future. Some says that the end just shows us a circular catastrophic human life, but in my point of view it just shows us the better life. Like reel, it is a circular but also have height. As a result we use all of ideas and get closer to god, to truth. That sieres ending confused me for long time and by your theory explanation i finally confront harmony.
For those that are confused by the video, here's my take on it: 1. Eren's mind is trapped in time loop, moving back and forth between his death and his awakening from sleep in the first chapter of AoT seeing young Mikasa again. He's trapped in his own personal hell because of his choices and Ymir's manipulation. 2. Ymir's manipulations created two timelines, first the one that we know with the future of the planet ruined by nuclear war and second timeline where the titan power never passed on and Ymir live a good happy life with her children.....this created a future that are hinted in several extra joke chapters at the end of some of the mangas, where Eren, Mikasa, Armin and all of their friends live a normal American highschool life. Suddenly this give brand new meaning when in the final extra chapter, the trio is finished watching a movie, probably that world's version of AoT, and giving their thoughts and opinions about it.
The timeline stuff has to start somewhere. For what we see in the show to flow, we need a future to influence the past. It makes sense that ymir might have been orchestrating all of this in order to figure out what she should do in the past. For eren to be stuck not being able to change anything might have been ymir trying to see through what the best case scenario was given what she wanted to happen. If this is the future that affects past ymir, then this kinda makes sense. She can probably influence stuff to not be too violent and push certain people together to eventually cause people like armin and mikasa to be born anyway.
I think this theory undermines the entire plot of the show tbh. It's an interesting idea, but I don't think it's very likely. Sending memories back in time would only become available once Ymir dies, so there would be no way to send them to her before she takes the spear for the King.
very cool theory, but neither the past nor the future was ever changed in the story, in contrary we have multiple examples where the future already happened and was set in stone. also a major problem is that while grishas actions were guided by messages from the future, his actions already happened in the past, and since ymirs actions also already happened, there is no reason to believe that they werent guided by messages from the future. in other words, the most logical conclusion here is that ymir saw all of this before she took the spear, and decided to take it anyway. one could even argue that mikasa taking erens life,, despite it being against her own best interest, couldve been the motivation ymir needed to save her king.
I really like this theory until the end because it falls flat on its face when talking about the tree being Erens son or Ymir’s burial site, because that’s where Eren was laid to rest at the end of the show… so that leaves a huge whole in this theory
There are 2 conflicting endings (1 isn't actually an ending but after credits). In the ending where little Eren walks through flowers with a knife in his hand, grows up, and we see Paradise overgrown by nature. So there was nothing happening on Paradise after the Rumbling. But then you got the after credits where you see Mikasa and the others visiting Eren's grave. The area also developed into modern times and got into wars. If the tree is the original tree where Ymir fell, then it is the main land where the development and wars could happen. Plus, it would match up with Paradise being taken over by nature. If so, there is a mistake on Isayama's part. Mikasa said that she would take Eren back to Paradise. To the tree he loved to take naps on. So it can't be the main land. I hope that the timeline shifted or that a timeline was added for Mikasa and Eren. In the Ending where little Mikasa falls into water and meets little Eren, she wakes up to Eren holding her hand with a butterfly. Perhaps this was the endpoint that Ymir brought her to. In the lost Girls ova, the butterfly's guided Mikasa to the point of eliminating Eren. It perhaps was to bring her to the point where she could be with Eren. Starting over as kids and having the future they wanted.
What you are describing and what people aren’t getting is this would be a bootstrap paradox. If Ymir forwarded her visions ahead to future Titans and if they could project them back, then she is creating one scenario where the Titans exist. If she chooses to change the future based on her visions and doesn’t take the spear then that future never happened, and thus the bootstrap paradox. Who would have sent that vision if they didn’t exist.
the incredible plot twist in snk/aot is that it just explains that it’s a loop... there is nothing more nothing less, nothing complicated to understand..
Interesting theory, but there's a simple reason it doesn't work. We get to see the surviving characters after Ymir meets Mikasa, which means they still exist in present day. Therefore Ymir did not actually change the past, the image of her not taking the spear is just a metaphor.
Some of the scenes that are at the end of the anime don't happen in the manga. The flashback scene with Armin where Eren tells him the future and why he's doing everything and what will happen is there. The flashback scene with Mikasa and Eren where Mikasa thinks that she and Eren are living somewhere peacefully happens but a lot of the scenes with Ymir don't. Ymir only shows up after Mikasa kills Eren and that's it. The anime shows Ymir more.
@@Atlas9ne I came up w this theory myself; straight off the dome But you’re right I wrote this script 11 months ago 🤣 I burnt out honestly and got caught up w my second channel so that’s why I just recently finished it. Still, I’m proud of my baby
I don’t believe this was mentioned, but how would you explain the future continuing on past the rumbling? Wouldn’t it cease the moment Ymir sends the memory back? Or are you suggesting it starts another timeline where she chooses her children over fritz?
Either the timeline is allowed to continue, or Ymir could’ve chosen to send that memory backwards at any point later on, hence the ending sequence continues
I think you miss understand that this is a fixed timeline, the fact that Ymir took the spear means she will always take the spear. If she was sending memories back then she would have already received them in that moment and that is what lead her to take the spear.
I like the theory really. It gives the story another turn. But over all I would say, creating predetermined stories are never a good writing advice. Almost every author has trouble of that.
I don’t think Isayama would’ve ever had space to explain this. But really you get to a certain point like this & you have to accept multiple timelines.
essentially....that message got sent back, Ymir did not take the spear. Her body was never consumed by her children, and the power of the titans never passed on. Those three kids lived on as they did. fate was simply cruel and only stripped the power of titans from that point Eren died, not making it retroactive.
What do you think? Did Ymir use the attack titan’s power to mastermind the entire plot of Attack On Titan?? Hit me with your wildest theory below👇🏼
Crazy theory but it's a Crazy paradox
Because in the paths, I don't think there can be two founding titans because once she gave up the founding titan to eren(free from bondage) she has lost connection to it that means she don't have access it again
i actually kinda like this theory. i have mixed feelings but it makes sense and makes the whole ending as far better.
Yes, this explanation is the best I've heard as the culmination of all the bits and pieces I have also analyzed within the story...
As to why Ymir is waiting for someone like Eren for 2,000 years, and also why Ymir also needed Mikasa for her plan...
And that she needed both of them to be free from the slavery of the King through Eren, and to be free from her love for the King through Mikasa. She needed both of them to undo the mistakes she had made in the past, that is saving the King from the spear and letting the King to continue to use the Titan Powers for world domination after she died...
But for me, seeing we still witnessed the aftermath of The Rumbling, means all of this was Ymir's plan from the beginning to undo her dreadful past and prevent the tragic story of Attack on Titan in her own Alternate Reality Timeline.
Not possible it's a paradox.
I had always thought that the first and last title struck me as ymir's pov. To You, in 2000 years, from you, 2000 years ago. Only ymir has that scale in years
I mever understood why people said that was Eren sending the message. And not it makes more sense with this theory.
2:22 bro said birth control 😂😂😂
I was like, "there is no way I was the only one who noticed that" lol 😂
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To everyone saying "This theory can't work, cause then the show wouldn't happen," or something to that effect - if the entire point of the show is to create the singular memory of Mikasa unaliving Eren to be sent back to Ymir so she doesn't feel compelled to take the spear for Fritz, then we the audience are seeing all of the necessary context for that memory to be sent back and meaningful enough for Ymir not to jump in front of the spear. It would mean that everything we as the audience saw essentially never happened, but that's the whole point of this theory as I understand it.
That being said, I think the post credit scenes with Mikasa at the grave and watching Eren's grave as time moves *forward* is the most likely proof that this isn't Isayama's intent with the story. Why not make the post scenes shots of Ymir with her children / living to old age, then the world going in a different direction without titans, even if that world ends up at war for a different reason in a different age? If we had seen Ymir heavily featured in that ending sequence, I think this theory would have a much stronger leg to stand on.
Regardless, I do *love* the idea that the entire show is Ymir creating enough emotional force to make her younger self not feel the need to take the spear for Fritz... thank you for making this video.
@@trentsage Imagining a future 2,000 years from a single point is impossible due to the sheer number of 'moving parts'. At best, she could only accurately imagine one day. After that, chaos theory kicks in. It's like trying to predict the path of every ball on a pool table in a single shot, it can't be done, so we can safely assume that the events in the show happened in reality, not in her mind.
If Ymir really did change her mind about saving King Fritz, the timeline we saw would still continue like the ending sequence suggests, there would just be another timeline branching from her decision to let him die. And we do see a couple of scenes after she decided not to step in front of the spear, which suggests that is what happens.
If this isn't the case, then it does beg the question 'why not?'. We have seen the holders of the attack titan not just receiving memories from the future but being influenced by them. It makes no sense for that to be the case for all of them except Ymir
@@chojin6136 Every time a titan is created, Ymir has to build it out of sand. Do you think some chaos theory is a problem for her?
@@kukuki5000 why would making endless sculptures mean someone would know the movement of every atom? Because that's what it would take. Those two things are not equal and are not connected
@@chojin6136 Well, I couldn't put it better myself. 'Endless'. As in endless possibilities?
@@kukuki5000 You're going to need to put it better, because just saying "endless possibilities" doesn't make endless sculptures equal to knowing how every atom everywhere will move and interact with every other atom. Use your words, not mine
"Eren was not able to show Mikasa his special hardening abilities." 😅😅 ... Dude, your jokes are God tier
Thanks man!! 🤣👍🏼
@@balikhassan Ah yes, that "Special Hardening Ability" line with that facial expression from Eren got me too. 🤣
@@bumperjumper Thanks for the laugh with that one! 🤣
@@neonixneonix345 of course! I just typed in “Eren rizz” into google and bam I knew I had to include that LMAO
That line had me rolling 😂
Everybody gangsta til Isayama pulls an AOT: Alternative on us
I would turn into the Santa Claus titan if that happens
I doubt Isayama will do that, unless Kodansha wants to milk this. haha
@@fuqnzhtIts isayama were talking bout... He might just do it... And id bet that it will be a banger too
Unless he does a alternate ending with eren winning the rumbling, and going to historia and their child.
Boys he did it, atleast in a sloppy end credit scene
Very cool theory but it cant really work. A major rule in attack on titan is that the future cant be changed and that the timeline/reality is set in stone. Thats why Eren felt like such a slave bc there was nothing he could do to avoid the future that had been revealed to him. Even if ymir really did gain insight into the future from all of this, it wouldnt matter. She would be locked into her fate just like Eren was.
Not necessarily; Eren admitted that he was unable to change the future and the rumbling needed to happen because he’s an idiot, so hypothetically someone smarter or less brutish could reshape the future.
I’m saying Eren is locked into Ymir’s predetermined timeline. And Ymir was also locked in, until Mikasa took out Eren, giving her the opportunity to reshape her life. We know she’s present and able to sent this memory backwards, it would just be a matter of what this means for Eren and Mikasa and the rest of their world: do they disappear? Or they live out their timeline fully? reincarnation?
@ I dont think erens inability to change the future has to do with his intelligence. It seems to be a law of the aot universe. We see this when grisha sees the future and tells zeke that nothing will go his way anymore, and eren will get whatever he wants. Grisha and zeke are some of the smartest characters and even when the predetermined future is revealed to them, they are still powerless against it.
Eren tries to alter the future multiple times, not even in a way directly related to the rumbling, and it just never works. When he sees that kid (Ramzi I think?) getting beat up, he recognizes this event from his future memories and remembers he saves him, even though theres no reason to. Bc theres no reason, Eren decided to leave but in the end he does exactly as the future says, and Eren realizes the future will always come to pass no matter what. This phenomenon has nothing to do with the characters intelligence and is moreso a law of nature. I think eren crediting the rumbling to him being an idiot has a different meaning than your interpretation, but thats a whole nother essay so Ill stop here
@@bumperjumper he’s an idiot, because no human can be prepared to become some sort of laplace's demon and act normally.
we probably would have felt as stupid as him in his place
@@whatyouwant4337Wait I wanna know what him crediting the rumbling to him being an idiot means to you. I liked the other points you made so I wanna hear this one. 😊
@@UpturnTheUncool What eren was saying is that the rumbling is the only future that exists, but the reason that its the only future is bc an idiot like himself has the founders power. I think he’s hypothesizing that if someone smarter than him had the same power, then perhaps the future would behold something completely different.
This doesnt mean that this other smarter person would have the ability to change the future. It just means that their future might never include the rumbling in the first place. The guy who responded to me was saying if eren was smarter, he could change the rumbling. I disagree, a smarter eren wouldnt actually “change” the future of the rumbling through his intelligence. He would just have a different fate all together. Atleast, thats what eren thinks. He himself doesnt even know for sure.
My explanation might not have been the best tbh. It’d be easier for me to convey these things in a conversation setting
this is the first time i heard the theory that the boy in the end could have been eren or his and mikasa's kid from a DIFFERENT timeline that ymir created by not saving king fritz
With the after credits of the latest movie, it could be the child of these Eren and Mikasa. They were talking about the titans being real 100 years ago. It could be that the time-lapse was long enough for their child to reach the tree.
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6:21 that’s craaaazy 😂
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Nice theory, but from what I remember there are no instances of the visions/memories from the Attack Titan actually changing the future. It seems like AoT's universe works on a kind of "fixed future" time travel ruleset, where whatever actions/information are obtained from the future never actually alter the way things happen, the new action/information was always a part of the past anyway.
In principal, and as portrayed by most sci-fi media, going back in time and making a change (which is effectively what the Attack Titan does by sending memories back) doesn't alter the outcome of the CURRENT timeline, but rather creates ANOTHER one that manifests that outcome. As one of the top commenters here mentioned (I think it's @trentsage), this theory isn't all that viable due to the post-credits scene of Mikasa + everyone else visiting Eren's grave by the tree. HOWEVER, the outcome of Ymir choosing not to jump in front of King Fritz (i.e. the events of the entire show as we know it never happening), rather than being fulfilled in THIS timeline where Eren is dead & everyone else lives on post-rumbling (and essentially erasing it), it gets fulfilled in a separate timeline (the power of the Titans ends with Ymir, and the Eldian race naturally proliferates over millennia). And personally, I like to think of that separate timeline as the school Castes AU where our beloved characters get to live happy, innocent lives :')
Edit: And this can be backed up by the fact that we see goth Mikasa and nerd Armin briefly in one of the season 4 episodes!
I don't think that scene was ymir going back in time and not actually taking the spear literally I think it was her accepting herself and "not taking the spear" metaphorically as in, choseing to accept and let go of king fritz and chose her love for her children over her slave love for her king.
She is outside of time and the o ly way for her to heal emotionally was for her to see Mikasa kill Eren and then move on from him even though she didn't forget him.
The same way Eren sent the titan to eat his mom to set up the events she took the spear and allowed herself to die so she could free herself from her unhealthy and abusive obsession with king fritz.
She didn't change anything she just accepted that he was an evil and selfish prick who deserved to die and forgave and accepted herself as a human being deserving of love and happiness, and experiences it through Mikasa
Ya but if Ymir didn't take the spear for the King and didn't pass on the power of the titants, that would mean that grisha never goes to paradi because there isn't an island like that causing erin to never be born. Another issue this could cause is that, depending on how time works in AOT this would cause the grandfather paradox. If erin isn't born he couldn't have sent those memories to ymir.
Your comment needs to be seen. Awesome argument
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Maybe grisha would go to paradis for business or a job opportunity instead
Well it basically fucks up everything honestly, I don't think Zeke's mother would even have existed, and the fact that there aren't any titants in the future would drastically change everything, Grisha might not even be at Marley, he might be in paradis or elsewhere.. who knows honestly.
Butterfly effect for real.
wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff
That's a bit of a stretch. If the titans didn't exist, the Eldians wouldn't have been separated during the great titan war, meaning that Grisha could've met Carla, anyway
this has got to be one of the best videos on AoT's ending! This perfectly explains everything, makes so much sense AND its a great story. Love it, everyone should watch this after finishing Aot
The recent new ending adds a lot of weight to this idea. Well done!
Thanks!! That’s motivating to hear :)
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THANK YOU!!!!!! Finally!! I would post this on Reddit and other forms on social media and no one believed me at all that he was there from the beginning and it's literally there in the title of the first episode. Thank you after all these years finally someone else sees it!
Crazy theory. I like it, AOT is an alternative timeline where the titans exist. Maybe the highschool timeline is where the titans never existed?
@@solrac4512 whoa, I hadn’t thought about this connecting to the high school timeline! That’s gold!
@@bumperjumper its not bearthold
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But Eren _especifically_ said in School Castes scene that "Titans existed 100 years ago".
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If Ymir had changed the future then Eren and entire cast of AOT wouldn't have been born because of butterfly effect.
Not necessarily.
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 multiverse theory's a b1tch
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They couldn't have been born because history would have been changed too much and maybe their parents or grandparents would have never met each other.
@@anurag-ranjan Its possible they wouldn't have been born, but not guaranteed.
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Titans coming into existence is a major event in AOT history.
Many things would have been changed a lot in 2000 years.
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So all of AOT was a wild fever dream timeline? If none of the events in the present story happened, you're saying all of these characters, Jean, Marco, Annie, Eren, Mikasa, etc, still exist in another true timeline but with a happier life? Your theory makes so much sense and it's not some random crap like other theories. In a way, it feels like the dreams I have, a whole different life that never took place. Thank you, Bumper Jumper.
Btw in the song "to you, 2000, or 20000 years from now" at some point the guy in German sings something about the tower of Babel and idk about you but that feels like an important reference from the Bible about all of the events in aot. Any thoughts? I also feel like it could be a reference to the anime x1999 which has an ending like AOT, even though the anime was like 20 years ago.
Plus, there's that weird bit were Falco dreams he was flying with he odm gear and the swords. That moment has always bugged me.
no his dream didnt specifically say odm gear. the flying was foreshadowing the flying jaw titan althought he did say he remembers flying with a sword tho. but definetly not odm gear
Same! That scene alone make me believe there would be an alternative ending if not it doesnt make sense.
Falco had this dream in the 1st Episode of Season 4 where Falco, Gabi and the others are first introduced in the story... So no other Eldian who can share past memories to Falco maybe it be in the past or future that flies using a mechanism and weilds swords other than Future Eren himself, using the Founding Titan's Memory Manipulation... maybe he wants to inspire Falco how it feels to fly and thus influenced Falco to inherit a Jaw Titan that has the ability to fly, as we also know was due to Zeke's Beast Titan Spinal Fluid.
He inherited the jaw titan, flying with ODM gear is Ymir's memory when she was in the Scouts.
Bro realise this....falco was the one who got jaw titan by eating galliard...galliard had eaten ymir (the fake one) and inherited the jaw titan. So it's obvious that the falco was experiencing a memory falacy because ultimately he will also share the jaw titan power later. That make sense.
I think Eren sending the message back makes more sense. With all the craziness that occurred in that world before the start of the story, we have to believe that Ymir had plenty of opportunity to send back messages that would have convinced her old self not to take the spear. Interesting theory either way.
Tbh I guess that you're overthinking, it's okay and it's entertaining, thx
So all this (the story of AoT) happened, but in reality everything after Rumbling went back to the past (in the time of King Fritz) so that Ymir could change the future and thus the whole story of AoT was just a dream of Eren sent to him by Ymir? Because if Ymir changed the past, no Titans would exist because she wouldn't have passed them on to anyone?. If that were the case, then why is Mikasa sitting at Eren's grave and then there's the whole part about time passing, Mikasa having a baby, Paradise developing and then the war starts? If Ymir changed the past right after Rumbling, that would mean that this scene at the tree with Mikasa and Eren's grave wouldn't make sense. And even if Ymir changed the whole past and future, why would she send a dream to little Eren when Eren couldn't be an Attack Titan and no walls or Titans would exist at all. Either all this happened, Eren died etc. But Ymir created her own "dimension" or "reality" after Rumbling in which she could experience what she couldn't. I'm 21 and I started watching AoT because I was bored in the evenings. I watched anime as a little kid like Pokemon and other silly things. But this literally got me and now I started watching One Piece haha. But I think Hajime Isayama overdid this story a bit and got himself tangled up in it. I think the middle of season 4 is just a bit confusing and I didn't feel the same way about it as the previous three seasons. Nothing can be perfect and I think this was too much for Isayama to swallow. That's why fans are always looking for something that is there and isn't. Because the ending is just a bit unthought-out. + I think Ymir was manipulating Eren all along, so that Eren could manipulate the past. Because Eren said that there was no other option than to choose between Rumbling or the death of his friends and the island. But that's stupid, there were certainly many options. But he did everything so that Ymir would reach the point where Mikasa would kill Eren. That's probably why Eren felt that he wasn't free and was still looking for a way to gain freedom. After Ymir disappeared, Eren gained freedom. I don't know, it just seems like a poorly thought out ending to this story. Just my opinion.
I agree with you. I've thought about it a lot too. Isayama just didn't understand the ending. He knew from the beginning how the story should end, but everything got terribly messed up. Ymir, time travel, various details, endless cycle and wars, how come Eren saw the future at the beginning of the first season when he wasn't an Attack Titan yet. And how could an adult Eren see the future when there was no Attack Titan after him and thus he could not see the memories of the future attack titan? I don't know the whole thing is weird.
Bro is suffering from the greatest AOT paradox
I like your point on time and how the continuation after the rumbling seems inconsistent. However, Eren and Mikasa’s world could be a timeline that is allowed to happen. We don’t know exactly when Ymir sent the memory backwards to her younger self, and this opens up the grandfather paradox, because Eren and Mikasa’s timeline existed, but then didn’t.
I agree that the plot pigeonholed itself into only two options which is kind of silly. What other solutions would you have considered?
And I love your point about Ymir manipulating Eren so he could manipulate the past for one outcome: mikasa taking him out
Isayama is like Eren when he said his head got all messed up from seeing the past present and future at the same time LOL
@@kralkralu1623eren saw the future at the beginning of the first season most likely bc his future self sent that memory to him using the founders power(I say most likely bc its also possible that ymir did it as evidenced by that episodes title). Either way, neither of these are plot holes. Adult Eren saw the future bc his future self sent those memories back to his father, then when eren touched his fathers notebook and historias hand more of his fathers memories were opened up to him which included his own future. Its normal for a titan shifter to inherit memories of the titan before them. Because the titan before eren knew erens future, thus eren came to know his future
If I had the ability to manipulate time, I would destroy that tree before Ymir’s arrival. Then the grandfather paradox comes into play. In my opinion, the transmission of memories to ancestors is a consequence born from the division of Ymir’s power.
This needs more views. I hadn’t even thought of this as the true meaning of the ending, but now I’m 110% on board
Omg bro u did more analyzing than my English teacher, that’s impressive bro. Ngl bro this was actually something that never even once crossed my mind while I was watching AOT. Now, idek what the show is about. Great vid dude.
Thanks!! Thats motivating! When I first thought of this theory I wondered why no one else has correlated Ymir with being the first attack titan. I’m glad you enjoyed man!
@@bumperjumperI have correlated Eren actually being the second founder titan but yeah cool stuff man that does make sense
OMGOMGOMG!.... when i saw this video's title, i've thought that it's like one of the clickbait videos but i watched it anyway. and NOW i feel like this is the first time i understand aot. few months ago, when i finished watching aot, there was a lot of things i couldnt understand. when i cant understand something i spend all my time trying to get it. so i made some theories myself to fill the blanks in my head. but the theories i made havent got any evidences and they were just like "this is the only way logical! what could it be otherwise?". watching this video, i realised that there IS a logical way other than mine. and with the evidences and parallels it has, i finally felt satisfied.
Rest assured, on this channel I only show my most promising theories OR the most ridiculous ones 🤣 no in between
I’m happy to hear you say that! The original ending we received felt like it lacked closure for a lot of plot points, which I believe this theory solves. Let me know if any of the theories you’ve thought of are convincing! (Or ridiculous)
@@bumperjumper well, even i cant fully understand my theories and make the connect between them. i'm actually planning on writing them clearly on a paper or smth but i'm too lazy to do it. but when i do, ill make sure to share with you :)
This Show is so insane crazy. Every day I wake up, I see another secret plot twist and thousends of fore shaddowing scenes. This is such a masterpiece.
My brain is not braining😭
It’s okay, that’s a default state for me
My either bruh it's so confusing but when I know Mappa will do adaptation on aot cast? So what he talkingAbt, btw Aot story is ended bro
Literally!
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At end Eren replaced Ymir in the paths now he is the founder and i probaably think if there will be aot 2 he is the one who will be building the titans from sand
I love this idea. I came to the same conclusion in one of my previous AOT theory vids!
I dont think Eren would do that. The only reason Ymir did it was because of her own mindset. She loved the king and served him for 2000 years out of that love and couldnt fathom breaking it until mikasa showed her it was possible. I cant see eren shackled by anything like that especially when he hated his while existence since he was, like armin said, a slave to the future and the past.
Except the world continues after Ymir "dissapears." So one of two things happened; the post final battle story continues as a divergent timeline where we see the post credits, and Ymir sans Fritz is a different timeline. Or the theory is wrong. Without the bloodstained history there is no Eren, there is no Mikasa. You can't have it both ways.
Bro this analysis is outstanding 🫨🤯 amazing theory 😱
the attack titan cannot send memories to the past or future. Eren can do that because he was in the paths with Zeke. with the combination of the two of them Eren specifically used the power of the paths to send memories and vision to the past. it isnt inherently a thing attack titans can do.
Thats a very interesting theory. I personally have a theory that goes in a different direction that is less focused on the human characters. My theory is that this is actually the final result of the hallucegenia aka "life" using humans to survive and perpetuate itself into the future. Most people for obvious reasons analyze based on the compelling characters in the story but one of the greatest themes of the overall work is how life struggles against other life to survive. We know the least about this organism but we know from what Zeke stated it wants to survive and reproduce. We also know that thanks to the story the 9 titans were made as a result of the cannibalistic rituals of the eldyian empire. It is likely that how Ymir percieved was very close to how this lifeform percieved time in a very drawn out existence with nearly infinite time in a symbiotic relationship with humans as its descendants were passed down for hundreds of generations and likely its conciousness in this dimension of the paths evolved alongside humans. Then came the kings vow to renounce war and accept suicide to other humans. This now jeopardizes the future survival of the organism, and if it had influence over the humans it exists with would likely evolve or influence us in a way to help it survive and continue as a species. Cue the attack titan. The means of taking the founding titans power from the human lineage that was set upon self destruction. It may be a slight syretch but I dont think by much and all the pieces are already there to make this narrative make sense, especially when you consoder the human tragedy of the ending with 80% of humans exterminated by an extinction level event it served with chosen humans to organize. The ultimate human resistance was stipping the rumbling at all so that humanity in some form could continue, but as we saw in the ending the tree survived from where Erens head was buried. You may not have also seen the leaked sketch of Isaima when the final chapters came out but there was a very clear picture of Erens dead head connected to the tree that was cut from the final manga panels for whatever reason. He also said that he wanted the story to have a bittersweet ending like the mist. With all the variables in mind I think the implication was that all the story accomplished was a renewal of the cycle and the continued propogation of the organisms species now hidden away from humans collectively in a technogically advancing time that posed a threat to its existence with a new more aggressive founder to replace Ymir. The consequences for a future in that world would be terrifying.
ngl you decoded and explained it in the first 2 mins. What an analysis.
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Ymir can't have the attack of titan power if she doesn't get the spear. Theory is junky
I already knew about everything to do with Ymir and Eren. I agree completely. However i found the information on Mikasa quite insightful. This is a really good video.
Some people might disagree with me, but this was a terrible ending for the show. It would have been much better if Mikasa killed Eren, and it ends with him waking up from his dream in season 1 episode 1. Eren would have all of his memories from his previous life, and would be given another chance to correct things.
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STANDING OVATION: Round of Applause I believe your theory is correct and that is the final twist and true ending which explains; TO YOU: From 2000 years in the Future. This has all been for Ymir's insight. AoT will forever in my eyes be a literary masterpiece. Good on you for catching this, because I certainly forgot.
Great theory, but unfortunately Attack on Titan is a pretty solid, self-contained, time loop so much so that things that could've been changed with time travel have already been changed and everything is engraved in stone. I don't think what we saw would've changed by Ymir sending back memories.
What is interesting is however goth Mikasa, nerd Armin and their universe/timeline because they specifically are shown in the dream sequence while going to the paths. Barring that the OVA Mikasa's world and EreMika's 4 years is just genjutsu and narrative parallel story telling done brilliantly.
People seeing Ymir before dying gave me flashbacks to Evangelion
Well, Evangelion was one of AoT inspirations. And Evangelion has a timeloop and got a "Alternative" version with a happier ending for the MC 👀
Honestly, I want this to be true. At first I was thinking this was a typical fan theory that overthinks everything, but it all makes sense to me.
I would love to see a series with the founding titan and all this coming full circle. That would be so cool if done right.
A very sound theory! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾.
However to me the end signified that the cycle would continue.
The show never explained exactly where the organism/symbiote Ymir encountered in the tree came from.
So as a theory, what if that organism was borne from pain and suffering e.g. war and strife?
And what if the exact same circumstances that led of the eventual destruction of Paradis created a new symbiote in the tree that the unidentified person with his dog were walking into?
So then the cycle would repeat itself and the moral of the story would be that mankind never learns and continues to choose suffering over paradise and peace.
Mikasa when she keeps being reminded of the butterfly effect. 🤣
I like the idea of this, but I think the amine does a pretty strong job of making it clear that everything is already predestined to happen the way it will, or rather that time is just a continuum that exists at all point, and most people just happen to experience it linearly.
Regardless of where people are acting with knowledge of the future or with free will, they culmination of those actions is still just what always happens. Like how Zeke tries to heal Eren from their fathers' supposed manipulation which is actually what allows Eren to influence Grisha into his most horrific acts.
Because of all the self-referential feedback loops of time nonsense, I like to imagine it as the natural settling point of the whole system. Like maybe theoreretically there was one initial timeline that went back and influenced a new timeline into existence, but due different people having different information and abilities, the changes oscillate less and less between iterations until there is only one outcome wherein any attempt to change it was just part of it all along
I've been saying this line of thinking since chapter 139 dropped. I've always thought that Ymir has set things up to find a way to break the chains that hold her and her people. She put Eren in this paradox to help achieve that for her. Eren can't change the future, and none of them can stop everyone's suffering, but they can buy time, and there will always be hope. That's what I got out of the ending to this story and Ymir's millennia long bet. I am SO glad to see someone make a video out of this, and this was summarised really nicely!
My theory is that the tree in the Paths is not a tree, but rather roots. The actual part of the tree that has the leaves and shit is "above ground" where Ymir thinks she just had a wild fever dream after drinking one too many wine glasses and now has to go back to the reality of ruling the lands between.
Great theory , AoT world is already very complex to begin with
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This is bery possible to happen since Eren tried to change the future multiple times, this implies that he was trying out timelines which each one of them is separate from the other (for example: he tries to change the future but fails, so he thinks: timeline 1 failed. Then he moves on to try a second time and then he fails so timeline 2 failed as well, noting that timeline 1 and 2 are two separate timelines).
So this could actually work, upon watching Mikasa killing Eren, Ymir found what she was looking for, a strong motivation to let go of her love for the king, so she captures that moment and sends it to her younger self telling her in a way that he isn't worth all that you're doing, which prompts her to not save him, further giving birth to a whole separate timeline in which she lives happily with her children.
Well said! Thanks for the comment!
Hear me out - at first I thought this couldn’t be possible because we see the world “recover” from the rumbling. Eren’s grave age, etc.. but this theory can still be possible if we think of thought time travel as happening like in the Terminator universe. That when you travel through time you create a branch of new realities/ possible futures. So that means that all of AOT as we saw it is real and did happen, BUT thanks to Eren sending all the memories back to Ymir she now has the chance to create an alternate timeline depending on her choice. Both can essentially coexist. We have followed one possibility, with the hope of there being a different one out there thanks to his message sent to her “2000 years ago”
Maybe that theory with Ymir is the reason for the Attack on School Caste, that's why we can see the trio inside the cinema. The reign of the titan ended much earlier and everyone was free and no one gates Eldians.
Love this!!
This is the reason titans disappeared. Wow
I too had suspected this theory but now I think Ymir might have created a new reality/world or travelled to another timeline/ universe . My reasoning for it is that in the OVA , the Mirror man said, "no matter the world you make, you cannot stop Eren's death." which suggests that it's not the first time Eren died and somehow because of Mikasa who couldn't accept his death , made a new world but its probably Ymir since seeing the world through Mikasa's eyes. So, as Ymir wasn't able to get to the end result which was Mikasa killing Eren or accept his death in that timeline, she created a new alternate reality/world or travelled to a different universe to get that end result and when it finally worked in the timeline we saw in the anime, then she made another new world / reality or travelled back in another universe once again and didn't choose to save king Fritz which was shown in the flashes of the anime . Pls note that multiverse is already been shown in the anime with a few scenes. I don't think what Ymir would change in the past would be the same aot universe that we were shown but a different one as we have already seen that when Eren changed things in the past, it had already happened in the anime but wouldn't have happened if he didn't intervened so it's most likely that what Ymir would change in the past wouldn't affect in aot timeline that we saw in the Anime and with the new post credit scene in the movie, Attack on Titan: The last Attack, where we were shown Eren, Mikasa and Armin, they were probably reincarnated versions of the anime timeline since they confirmed that over a 100 years ago titans existed and we already saw a frame of Goth Mikasa and Armin in the two brothers episode in the Anime who were both being shown in Eren's perspective.
I guess my only issue would be the Attack Titan doesn't get to choose what memories future holders send. Eren was able to make sure Grisha couldn't see what happened to his wife.
Holy smokes my guy. This is insane.
I’m glad you think so!! Stick around for many more insane theories. And if you have any I’m all ears 👂🏻
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I'd like to point out how eren didn't regenerate after the several days, meaning he didn't even want to live that point
Nice video bro
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in aot all the examples we have seen of manipulating the past, doesnt change the past. it already happened.
I think his reasoning stems from her being the progenitor. Eren being a subject of Ymir shouldn’t be able to alter anything for real just do things he thinks will change the future that were always apart if it. However as the original source of power I think the creator of this video believes that Ymir can actually alter the past and that she did after Mikasa’s last attack and her words to Ymir in the end.
@@UpturnTheUncool i believe that you cant manipulate the past without making a different time line, because if not and you manipulated the past then you never really manipulated the past
@@UpturnTheUncool i 100% think that this was just a last ditch effort on trying to make mikasa seem more important since her character is just so lack luster, worse than literal side characters like marlo or keith
@@blazingblueinferno4673 Could there be alternate timelines though? That Lost Girls OVA seems to suggest so but I think that might be going a little far and further complicates the story. Honestly either belief is fine with me. I like them both. 😊
I’m not going to fully agree with you on the Mikasa thing cause there have been minor hints at Mikasa having something to do with everything (red scarf in opening sequence with Ymir and the devil of all earth, her headaches periodically, her parallel with Ymir and how they desire to save/help someone they love as a vague explanation for Mikasas devotion to Eren etc). However I won’t knock your theory cause there seems to be something off about it. If anything it just wasn’t fleshed out enough, cause like I mentioned there were hints, they were just vague.
@@UpturnTheUncool ive always assumed they just were not cannon just like how mikasa armin historia and jean probably turning into a titan were very most likely not canon. theres no definite proof but... its more of a, god doesnt exist to me not because i dont like the idea, but because it just isnt reasonable to me and very much isnt probable.
if i had to give my guess on what i think, i think that the same thing that happened with mikasa and eren where they dreamt they ran away happened with ymir and her children.
there are tiny hints of some sort of "involvement" but its really like isayama couldnt be bothered until pretty much the last second. everyone is a plot device at the end of the day but atleast they a nice fleshed out, clear goal of what you want them to convey and their message. canonically mikasa's scarf isnt even red, as well as normally with parallels or atleast good ones they are specific sort of like reiner and eren or armin and bertoldt or even historia and eren, but with mikasa and ymir the parallel is "they are trying to save/help someone they love" and i get how themeatically they portray that as a parallel between ymir and mikasa when the same thing could be said about anyone that has loved someone in this entire series and has had their loved one being put in a life or death situation.
the contrast is that, ymir saved fritz giving up her own life and becoming a slave and mikasa killing eren and giving up on eren because its "morally right" and i know that sounds like it really doesnt support my point because its saying that mikasa has a parallel with ymir because they loved someone that is doing "bad things" but mikasa was able to do something ymir could never do which was let the person they loved die for the greater good.
this would be fine but its just invalidated by the fact that first of all king fritz never loved ymir and wasnt loyal to her whilst it seems that eren was loyal to mikasa atleast in heart and loved her.
and second of all eren wanted to die anyway,
imagine how amazing of a character historia is because she could have just ate eren and to "save humanity" and eren would have been okay with this but historia decided no because she knows how it feels to think the world and everyone wants them better off dead.
mikasa killing eren while loving him really feels simply like a paradox and theres no way to go around that.
What a great theory. I feel the anime added more details than the manga did, but now I want to re-read the story.
Nice theory. I'm confused about one thing though. If this is true, then why couldn't Yimir have done this earlier in the story? If she doesn't need to be physically there to send back the memory, why did she wait till all this played out?
The sight of Mikasa standing against Eren despite her love for him is the key. Ymir needed to see this to change her mind about King Fritz
I think this is a good theory, but it makes me question if, every time they send back memories, it actually just creates 2 timelines. Meaning that there is a timeline where Eren saw he *could* change the future, and stopped going along with his premonition
If I had Ymir's power I would use it to retcon AOT and get another series! AOT is in my top 3 anime of all time. They did my boy Eren dirty! Jaegerist all the way! Because of Iseyama's way of ending it, "I will never forgive the Japanese!"
this theory is so full of depth. Hegel believed that reality is going forward a better future as a result of all of our ideas battle. Even the after credits describes us the next battle that will outcomes the better future. Some says that the end just shows us a circular catastrophic human life, but in my point of view it just shows us the better life. Like reel, it is a circular but also have height. As a result we use all of ideas and get closer to god, to truth. That sieres ending confused me for long time and by your theory explanation i finally confront harmony.
Ok i gagged when you said birth control
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Whether true or not this theory along with your breakdown of it is awesome!! Definitely my head canon moving forward.
OMG ... "Birth control"🤣. The Betholdt nick names will kill me one day
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For those that are confused by the video, here's my take on it:
1. Eren's mind is trapped in time loop, moving back and forth between his death and his awakening from sleep in the first chapter of AoT seeing young Mikasa again. He's trapped in his own personal hell because of his choices and Ymir's manipulation.
2. Ymir's manipulations created two timelines, first the one that we know with the future of the planet ruined by nuclear war and second timeline where the titan power never passed on and Ymir live a good happy life with her children.....this created a future that are hinted in several extra joke chapters at the end of some of the mangas, where Eren, Mikasa, Armin and all of their friends live a normal American highschool life. Suddenly this give brand new meaning when in the final extra chapter, the trio is finished watching a movie, probably that world's version of AoT, and giving their thoughts and opinions about it.
The timeline stuff has to start somewhere.
For what we see in the show to flow, we need a future to influence the past.
It makes sense that ymir might have been orchestrating all of this in order to figure out what she should do in the past.
For eren to be stuck not being able to change anything might have been ymir trying to see through what the best case scenario was given what she wanted to happen.
If this is the future that affects past ymir, then this kinda makes sense. She can probably influence stuff to not be too violent and push certain people together to eventually cause people like armin and mikasa to be born anyway.
I think this theory undermines the entire plot of the show tbh.
It's an interesting idea, but I don't think it's very likely.
Sending memories back in time would only become available once Ymir dies, so there would be no way to send them to her before she takes the spear for the King.
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very cool theory, but neither the past nor the future was ever changed in the story, in contrary we have multiple examples where the future already happened and was set in stone. also a major problem is that while grishas actions were guided by messages from the future, his actions already happened in the past, and since ymirs actions also already happened, there is no reason to believe that they werent guided by messages from the future.
in other words, the most logical conclusion here is that ymir saw all of this before she took the spear, and decided to take it anyway. one could even argue that mikasa taking erens life,, despite it being against her own best interest, couldve been the motivation ymir needed to save her king.
I really like this theory until the end because it falls flat on its face when talking about the tree being Erens son or Ymir’s burial site, because that’s where Eren was laid to rest at the end of the show… so that leaves a huge whole in this theory
There are 2 conflicting endings (1 isn't actually an ending but after credits). In the ending where little Eren walks through flowers with a knife in his hand, grows up, and we see Paradise overgrown by nature. So there was nothing happening on Paradise after the Rumbling.
But then you got the after credits where you see Mikasa and the others visiting Eren's grave. The area also developed into modern times and got into wars.
If the tree is the original tree where Ymir fell, then it is the main land where the development and wars could happen. Plus, it would match up with Paradise being taken over by nature.
If so, there is a mistake on Isayama's part. Mikasa said that she would take Eren back to Paradise. To the tree he loved to take naps on. So it can't be the main land.
I hope that the timeline shifted or that a timeline was added for Mikasa and Eren. In the Ending where little Mikasa falls into water and meets little Eren, she wakes up to Eren holding her hand with a butterfly. Perhaps this was the endpoint that Ymir brought her to. In the lost Girls ova, the butterfly's guided Mikasa to the point of eliminating Eren. It perhaps was to bring her to the point where she could be with Eren. Starting over as kids and having the future they wanted.
this is my favourite thing i’ve ever heard about aot👏👏 great job
What you are describing and what people aren’t getting is this would be a bootstrap paradox. If Ymir forwarded her visions ahead to future Titans and if they could project them back, then she is creating one scenario where the Titans exist. If she chooses to change the future based on her visions and doesn’t take the spear then that future never happened, and thus the bootstrap paradox. Who would have sent that vision if they didn’t exist.
In a world without Titans... Dran wouldn't exist
the incredible plot twist in snk/aot is that it just explains that it’s a loop... there is nothing more nothing less, nothing complicated to understand..
Interesting theory, but there's a simple reason it doesn't work. We get to see the surviving characters after Ymir meets Mikasa, which means they still exist in present day. Therefore Ymir did not actually change the past, the image of her not taking the spear is just a metaphor.
Some of the scenes that are at the end of the anime don't happen in the manga. The flashback scene with Armin where Eren tells him the future and why he's doing everything and what will happen is there. The flashback scene with Mikasa and Eren where Mikasa thinks that she and Eren are living somewhere peacefully happens but a lot of the scenes with Ymir don't. Ymir only shows up after Mikasa kills Eren and that's it. The anime shows Ymir more.
How late are you to plot twists, theories and foreshadowing already on YT. But still need views.
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@@Atlas9ne I came up w this theory myself; straight off the dome
But you’re right I wrote this script 11 months ago 🤣 I burnt out honestly and got caught up w my second channel so that’s why I just recently finished it. Still, I’m proud of my baby
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I don’t believe this was mentioned, but how would you explain the future continuing on past the rumbling? Wouldn’t it cease the moment Ymir sends the memory back? Or are you suggesting it starts another timeline where she chooses her children over fritz?
Either the timeline is allowed to continue, or Ymir could’ve chosen to send that memory backwards at any point later on, hence the ending sequence continues
fun theory but based on fundamental misunderstandings of the events of the show / abilities of titans / world magic system
I think you miss understand that this is a fixed timeline, the fact that Ymir took the spear means she will always take the spear. If she was sending memories back then she would have already received them in that moment and that is what lead her to take the spear.
I like the theory really. It gives the story another turn. But over all I would say, creating predetermined stories are never a good writing advice. Almost every author has trouble of that.
Agreed, it’s sticky territory
I don’t think Isayama would’ve ever had space to explain this. But really you get to a certain point like this & you have to accept multiple timelines.
Ymir chillin next to Erens ingrown toenail
It all makes sense now
Ending defenders with the mental gymnastics trying to save a horrible ending are really something else
This cannot work in one contained timeline. It could work for multiple timelines.
ive been saying this for quite some time. This was all Ymirs doing lol
Silly Eren, all he needed to do was to reach steins;gate
You should also make berserk theories
I’ve thought about it a lot actually! If you have any berserk theories (the good ones or even the ridiculous/hilarious ones) I’m happy to hear em!!
essentially....that message got sent back, Ymir did not take the spear. Her body was never consumed by her children, and the power of the titans never passed on. Those three kids lived on as they did.
fate was simply cruel and only stripped the power of titans from that point Eren died, not making it retroactive.