@@Yoshi3977 Counter-point, if Rome conquers all of Italia do they want Rome written over all of it? The term "Italia" existed for the region at that time.
I like the idea of disasters being unpredictable each month under the right conditions, while rebels stay predictable. It makes disasters a real challenge without rebels becoming too frustrating.
Yeah only thing I'd change is the 5% should go up or down depending on how far over the requirements you are for example if the peasants and Burger relations are down to say 0 it should be much higher or even certain that you'll have it trigger
On the Topic of "if Italy should be ably to be united": As you said, the Kingdom of Germany was a thing in this time, as was the title "king of italy" as part of the hre"
Like Germany, Italy was country before EU5 timeframe too, so, it's not that strange to be able to form Italy again, and I don't know why the Kingdom of Italy in the Napoleonic Era doesn't count
Everyone plays to form those nations like germany, italy and so on... Not having that on EU5 would be a massive downgrade, many plays i had was to do something like forming germany or italy, and i had lots of fun doing that... I want to restore the roman empire, not because is realistic, but because is a game, and people want a "what if", and this kind of stuff allows that
Every paradox game at release some time ago was like "no we dont want to put roman empire, at that time it did dissapear for years", and they always end up adding because everyone wants that haha
another point is that germany is deutshland, the land of the germans... italy is the land of italians, even if in the reality it was not formed it is pausible they uniting because they have a similar language and so on(even if the concept of nation does not exist)... But some countries like philipines really dont make sense without being spain, so idk, but i would add just because people from philipines want to form their country. Those countries dont even appear without human intervention most the time, so changes nothing
An Italian formable is a must. In the early 1500s Niccolò Machiavelli ended _The Prince_ with a chapter calling on the Medici family to unify Italy as one kingdom under their dynasty. Even if historical unification is out of scope, there are plausible alt history scenarios where people attempt it in this time frame.
3:18 As an Italian Yes There was a kindom of italy alredy with the lombards, and in b/whin the 716 and the 744 they hold almost all italy An italian nation wanting to remake the old lombard kindom of italy is a nice and not so "impossible" what if
Unification of 19th century Italy was driven by nationalism idea, but it doesn't contradict the possibility to unify this region by force or diplomacy , even if it doesn't look historical. So there are no problems here
If we went by the rules of "(country) didn't exist until (year) so we shouldn't allow them to form it in the game" then I guess you won't be allowed to dissolve the HRE until 1806 :/
If an Italian nation hypothetically conquers all of Italy. Why shouldn't they be able to form Italy? Sounds extremely stupid to me. The historical grand strategy genre isn't restricted to historical events only but should also, at the very least, include plausible alternate history as well. Is it unthinkable that Italy forms a hundred years earlier if the geopolitical climate in Europe is different? I don't think so.
It very easily could’ve if not for the HRE. Maybe it should require the HRE to no longer exist, or no longer include any Italian territory, similar to Germany.
@Lord Lambert, the workshop in the background is a generic renaissance workshop since not only the Mona Lisa from Leonardo da Vinci is in there but also the Arnolfini Portrait by Jan van Eyck who symbolizes the northern renaissance in the low countries and burgundy.
Both Germany and Italy as national identitied were concepts that emerged in the games' timespan too. And the HRE included an "of the german nations" in a lot of its documents
The Kingdom of Italy literally did exist though, it was a title that was held by the Holy Roman Emperor. The nationalism and desire for a consolidation of power in Italy by an Italian state is well-documented throughout the Renaissance.
1:18 to be fair your pronunciation is almost correct, you don’t know a specific writing rule of Italian to nail it: when “c” and “g” are followed by “i”, they change sound that usually is described as “sweet c” and “sweet g” (as a linguist, there is a bit more, but let’s go with it for the sake of brevity) and the “i” is not pronounced (unless it’s the only vowel). Basically “ci” is like “ch” in English and “gi” is like “j” in English. “Giacomo” is a variation of “Giacobbe” which is actually the Italian version of the name “Jacob”. This goes for all Italian names (and words) that contains “ci” or “gi”, like “Giovanni”, “Gianni”, and so on. Extra note, when pronounced “i” in Italian is always as in the English pronunciation of “Italian” (it should an easy trick to remember it, although, basically every language except for English pronounce it like that😅). There is a similar mechanism with “e” (think of the word “gelato/gelati”) but I already wrote a wall of text😂 (Edit): after watching the whole thing kudos to Lambert for the pronunciations! Generally correct and when mistaken always in a way that is coherent with the Italian pronunciation, like with “signoria” where he pronunce the second “i” as a jod (“si nyo rya” with English-ish spelling) but is actually a vowel (“si nyo ree a”), however an Italian child (or someone unfamiliar with the word) could make the same mistake.
25:45 Not the Humanist path, but Spiritualist path to avoid. Positive modifier is that to the right, negative is that to the left. So you have to be Spiritualist or less than 30 Humanist.
I really enjoyed playing tall and defensive as Sicily (#1)in my first M&T campaign, and I'll definitely have that be one of my first playthroughs. I also really hope that the AI is a lot more aggressive and opportunistic against the player and other AI than it often is in EU4, it makes turtleling down as small tall countries much more fun. Other than Sicily, my other early playthroughs will probably be a tall Holland > Netherlands (#2), aggressive Timurids if that is an option (#3), a tall Yemen (#4), a semi-tall Persia (#5). Here's my top 5!
Netherlands (trade and well NL) Ireland (Just the island, tall/observer playthrough Yemen (Indian ocean trade) Colonizer into Argentina (How hard can you go as a colony?) Iceland into Vinland
I would say that a notification would suffice when the requirements are met for the Ciompi disaster and you start getting the 5% monthly tick. At least then you know you need to fix the situation before it does fire.
3:18 as for Germany there was a medieval kingdom of Italy (in fact eu4 Italy uses this kingdom of Italy coat of arms/banner/flag, not the modern one), furthermore, there were but an Italian republic and Italian kingdom during the Napoleonic wars. So it would make sense having Italy as formable, even if all the formable states were those in the spawn of the game. In case you wonder about those Napoleonic Italian states, the first and only president was also the first and only king, a guy named Napoleon😉
I think claiming the Kingdom of Italy and forming a modern Italian nation-state should be two separate things because there did exist an Italian kingdom within the HRE, just like there was a German one.
I wouldn't want them to have any special mechanics or ideas, but being to form them as a kind of mid game reward I think is fine. It's not like it's that unreasonable that if someone unified Italy they wouldn't immediately declare themselves the king of Italy or some similar title.
You reading the requirements made me think they should probably do some kind of dotted line for OR requirements, if that's possible. Would be a lot easier to read
Really interested to see how countries like Florence interact with the HRE IO. Hopefully a lot of politics around supporting the pope or the emperor, that impacts regional power relations.
Kingdom of italy also was "a thing" tho! But even if we're talking modern-ish italy i think it's reasonable to make it formable, i dont think it detracts from anything.. Also idk italian but i would guess if "gn" is "nj" in bologna and idk words like that then "gl" is probably "lj"? I just assume italian is not english and is consistent with something
I am Italian. "gl" is a special sound in Italian that I do not think is easy to describe to an English speaker. It is a stronger version of the Spanish "ll".
@@benismann yeah you got it basically right, gl is basically the castillan (spanish) ll and (paella, llorar, tortilla) as was already said and gn is basically the castilla ñ (mañana, niño, montaña). Basically the same sound written differently to confuse non italians or some historical reason idk, for example the castillan word montaña is pronounced almost the same as montagna and both mean mountain. Other Italian diphthong that does not have a straight equivalent in castillan afaik, but it's easy to reproduce in english is italian sc that is pronounced as english sh (shy, shadow, shame, heck, english itself). Also there is the whole thing with ch and gh being different than normal c and g, but thats another can of worms and at this point I've yapped too much and i think you can find plenty of places on the internet that would explain italian phonetics better than I ever could
There is the Napoleonic Kingdom of Italy but that wasn't exactly the entirety of Italy but I do believe if the player is able to conquer and centralized the land enough he should have the option to form the Italy. Though I would rather have multiple intermediary tags while Italy being a final tag that would be a late game/end game nation
The white Company troop count should be the total amount. Mercs regiments are probably like your own standing regiments, which at the beginning of the game are only 100 men strong. Probably much stronger than the 1000 men levie regiments though.
I have a couple friends who have stopped playing eu4 when I ask them about it they usually tell me it stopped being "fun." Which I have always wondered about. I wonder if that's the same problem that happens to many MMOs players optimize the game so much that it stops being "fun". They were players who at the time knew all the optimal play styles and strategies. I believe the attempt to make things more unpredictable maybe a attempt to slow or stop players from optimizing the fun out of the game.
No for Italy (at least the Italy in this in Vic3 and what people often think the north and south). Personally, I think the thing that makes more sense in this time period is re-establishing something akin to the Kingdom of the Lombards which doesn't include Rome would be fine though. I also think that the random disaster works much better with the feel of this game. I prefer not knowing exactly when and where things will happen.
Generic background for portraits sucks. Everyone is vehemently anti AI but this is the perfect use case for AI. It is a waste of time and resources for artists to draw an unique backgrounds for every country but you can easily do it in a few weeks with AI and its literally a net positive.
I argue that omitting the formation of Germany and Italy etc. from the game, for historical acuracy reasons, has very little benfit. Especially when compared to the enjoyment many would get from such a goal and achievment.
I like the 5% Revolt Requirement - i think EU Players have gotten too, Placid, Lazy, when it comes to events and the like. I mean, we can Automate Generals to Guard local regions and protect certain areas, so why shouldn't we have it so that we don't have regions be protected by a certain amount of troops and/or armies Large Empires require Multiple armies to protect and Patrol. Let us Make it so.
Euiv start dates should be as historical as the game allows. trying to railroad nations with "arbitrary" but historically accurate date limits doesnt seem worth discussing; can't see how that would lead to a fun campaign
Going with Florence and then Novgorod first seems like they're deliberately dancing around the more major players, like France, Austria, the Ottomans, or Yuan and trying to focus more on smaller interesting countries first.
Both Italy and Germany should be formables since they both exist as kingdoms in 1337 owned by the Holy Roman Emperor, same as Arles
In the Dev answers SaintDave confirms Italy as being a formable.
Make harsh requirements, but if someone really wants to form Italy early then let them. It's ultimately semi-historical roleplay.
I agree, an Italian nation before 1836 is not out of the question. Especially with hundreds of years of divergence from 1337
I really dont understand the argument against it. If florence conquers all of modern Italy do they want florence written over all of it?
@@Yoshi3977 Counter-point, if Rome conquers all of Italia do they want Rome written over all of it? The term "Italia" existed for the region at that time.
@@reeman2.0 If they wanted to they could have named themselves Kingdom Italia. you dont have to press the button...
I like the idea of disasters being unpredictable each month under the right conditions, while rebels stay predictable. It makes disasters a real challenge without rebels becoming too frustrating.
Yeah only thing I'd change is the 5% should go up or down depending on how far over the requirements you are for example if the peasants and Burger relations are down to say 0 it should be much higher or even certain that you'll have it trigger
On the Topic of "if Italy should be ably to be united": As you said, the Kingdom of Germany was a thing in this time, as was the title "king of italy" as part of the hre"
Like Germany, Italy was country before EU5 timeframe too, so, it's not that strange to be able to form Italy again, and I don't know why the Kingdom of Italy in the Napoleonic Era doesn't count
Everyone plays to form those nations like germany, italy and so on... Not having that on EU5 would be a massive downgrade, many plays i had was to do something like forming germany or italy, and i had lots of fun doing that... I want to restore the roman empire, not because is realistic, but because is a game, and people want a "what if", and this kind of stuff allows that
Every paradox game at release some time ago was like "no we dont want to put roman empire, at that time it did dissapear for years", and they always end up adding because everyone wants that haha
another point is that germany is deutshland, the land of the germans... italy is the land of italians, even if in the reality it was not formed it is pausible they uniting because they have a similar language and so on(even if the concept of nation does not exist)... But some countries like philipines really dont make sense without being spain, so idk, but i would add just because people from philipines want to form their country. Those countries dont even appear without human intervention most the time, so changes nothing
Fun? In a paradox game? Blasphemy
@@matthewvincent9533YOU WANT TO HAVE FUN IN A VIDEO GAME. I DONT LIKE THAT. Average paradox player.
An Italian formable is a must. In the early 1500s Niccolò Machiavelli ended _The Prince_ with a chapter calling on the Medici family to unify Italy as one kingdom under their dynasty. Even if historical unification is out of scope, there are plausible alt history scenarios where people attempt it in this time frame.
3:18 As an Italian
Yes
There was a kindom of italy alredy with the lombards, and in b/whin the 716 and the 744 they hold almost all italy
An italian nation wanting to remake the old lombard kindom of italy is a nice and not so "impossible" what if
The original "Iron Crown"
Unification of 19th century Italy was driven by nationalism idea, but it doesn't contradict the possibility to unify this region by force or diplomacy , even if it doesn't look historical. So there are no problems here
If we went by the rules of "(country) didn't exist until (year) so we shouldn't allow them to form it in the game" then I guess you won't be allowed to dissolve the HRE until 1806 :/
The mercenary company has total numbers of troops. 15 * 100 men = 1 500 men infantry, 5 * 50 men = 250 men calvary.
If an Italian nation hypothetically conquers all of Italy. Why shouldn't they be able to form Italy? Sounds extremely stupid to me. The historical grand strategy genre isn't restricted to historical events only but should also, at the very least, include plausible alternate history as well. Is it unthinkable that Italy forms a hundred years earlier if the geopolitical climate in Europe is different? I don't think so.
It very easily could’ve if not for the HRE. Maybe it should require the HRE to no longer exist, or no longer include any Italian territory, similar to Germany.
Especially considering much of the conflict in Italy was essentially to see who would wear the Iron Crown of the Lombards and Italy
I feel like there should be some warning time where a disaster can’t fire but you know it will be able to soon before it has a chance of firing
Big fan of random disasters. Always felt silly that they were easily predictable
@Lord Lambert, the workshop in the background is a generic renaissance workshop since not only the Mona Lisa from Leonardo da Vinci is in there but also the Arnolfini Portrait by Jan van Eyck who symbolizes the northern renaissance in the low countries and burgundy.
More formable more good imo
Same, forming nations feels like such an achivement and is a major milestone in my playthroughs :D
Both Germany and Italy as national identitied were concepts that emerged in the games' timespan too. And the HRE included an "of the german nations" in a lot of its documents
The Kingdom of Italy literally did exist though, it was a title that was held by the Holy Roman Emperor. The nationalism and desire for a consolidation of power in Italy by an Italian state is well-documented throughout the Renaissance.
True but nationalism is the wrong word to use
I love this AC2 soundtrack in the background, that game is so amazing
1:18 to be fair your pronunciation is almost correct, you don’t know a specific writing rule of Italian to nail it: when “c” and “g” are followed by “i”, they change sound that usually is described as “sweet c” and “sweet g” (as a linguist, there is a bit more, but let’s go with it for the sake of brevity) and the “i” is not pronounced (unless it’s the only vowel). Basically “ci” is like “ch” in English and “gi” is like “j” in English. “Giacomo” is a variation of “Giacobbe” which is actually the Italian version of the name “Jacob”. This goes for all Italian names (and words) that contains “ci” or “gi”, like “Giovanni”, “Gianni”, and so on. Extra note, when pronounced “i” in Italian is always as in the English pronunciation of “Italian” (it should an easy trick to remember it, although, basically every language except for English pronounce it like that😅). There is a similar mechanism with “e” (think of the word “gelato/gelati”) but I already wrote a wall of text😂
(Edit): after watching the whole thing kudos to Lambert for the pronunciations! Generally correct and when mistaken always in a way that is coherent with the Italian pronunciation, like with “signoria” where he pronunce the second “i” as a jod (“si nyo rya” with English-ish spelling) but is actually a vowel (“si nyo ree a”), however an Italian child (or someone unfamiliar with the word) could make the same mistake.
Project Cesar uses local names everywhere, except in Europe they call Firenze Florence.
Another case of Europeans supposedly not being indigenous in our native lands. Lol.
25:45 Not the Humanist path, but Spiritualist path to avoid.
Positive modifier is that to the right, negative is that to the left.
So you have to be Spiritualist or less than 30 Humanist.
Nice video dude! Italy is like the epicenter of the culture of this era, it is a great sign to see the Italian state to be shown!
I really enjoyed playing tall and defensive as Sicily (#1)in my first M&T campaign, and I'll definitely have that be one of my first playthroughs. I also really hope that the AI is a lot more aggressive and opportunistic against the player and other AI than it often is in EU4, it makes turtleling down as small tall countries much more fun.
Other than Sicily, my other early playthroughs will probably be a tall Holland > Netherlands (#2), aggressive Timurids if that is an option (#3), a tall Yemen (#4), a semi-tall Persia (#5). Here's my top 5!
Netherlands (trade and well NL)
Ireland (Just the island, tall/observer playthrough
Yemen (Indian ocean trade)
Colonizer into Argentina (How hard can you go as a colony?)
Iceland into Vinland
im literally shaking right now
I would say that a notification would suffice when the requirements are met for the Ciompi disaster and you start getting the 5% monthly tick. At least then you know you need to fix the situation before it does fire.
3:18 as for Germany there was a medieval kingdom of Italy (in fact eu4 Italy uses this kingdom of Italy coat of arms/banner/flag, not the modern one), furthermore, there were but an Italian republic and Italian kingdom during the Napoleonic wars. So it would make sense having Italy as formable, even if all the formable states were those in the spawn of the game. In case you wonder about those Napoleonic Italian states, the first and only president was also the first and only king, a guy named Napoleon😉
I think claiming the Kingdom of Italy and forming a modern Italian nation-state should be two separate things because there did exist an Italian kingdom within the HRE, just like there was a German one.
After the break up of Frankish Empire there was an Italian Kingdom of longobards.. conquest of which created hre in 900s I think
Already do predict mods for eu5 that rename John Hawkwood to hawktuah 30:50
I wouldn't want them to have any special mechanics or ideas, but being to form them as a kind of mid game reward I think is fine. It's not like it's that unreasonable that if someone unified Italy they wouldn't immediately declare themselves the king of Italy or some similar title.
It would be nice if there was a way to include both medieval Italy and modern italy like how the revolution in eu4 changes france
You reading the requirements made me think they should probably do some kind of dotted line for OR requirements, if that's possible. Would be a lot easier to read
Really interested to see how countries like Florence interact with the HRE IO. Hopefully a lot of politics around supporting the pope or the emperor, that impacts regional power relations.
Remember Lambert Units in the Early game, will have only 100 units, so 15 x 100 Units = Infantry Regiments is 1,500.
This UI looks too user friendly for an EU game. Woke agenda!
Lol
Great vid!
4:00 LMAO ur right that armor is made of friggin satin lmao
My top 5 nations to play:
1. Milan
2. Portugal
3. Eastern Roman Empire
4. Brandenburg
5. Oda
Kingdom of italy also was "a thing" tho! But even if we're talking modern-ish italy i think it's reasonable to make it formable, i dont think it detracts from anything..
Also idk italian but i would guess if "gn" is "nj" in bologna and idk words like that then "gl" is probably "lj"? I just assume italian is not english and is consistent with something
I am Italian. "gl" is a special sound in Italian that I do not think is easy to describe to an English speaker. It is a stronger version of the Spanish "ll".
@@brunodellasala832 but it's the same kind of change as with "gn"?
@@benismann yeah you got it basically right, gl is basically the castillan (spanish) ll and (paella, llorar, tortilla) as was already said and gn is basically the castilla ñ (mañana, niño, montaña). Basically the same sound written differently to confuse non italians or some historical reason idk, for example the castillan word montaña is pronounced almost the same as montagna and both mean mountain. Other Italian diphthong that does not have a straight equivalent in castillan afaik, but it's easy to reproduce in english is italian sc that is pronounced as english sh (shy, shadow, shame, heck, english itself). Also there is the whole thing with ch and gh being different than normal c and g, but thats another can of worms and at this point I've yapped too much and i think you can find plenty of places on the internet that would explain italian phonetics better than I ever could
Source: I am also Italian, trust me bro
There is the Napoleonic Kingdom of Italy but that wasn't exactly the entirety of Italy but I do believe if the player is able to conquer and centralized the land enough he should have the option to form the Italy. Though I would rather have multiple intermediary tags while Italy being a final tag that would be a late game/end game nation
Bruh using that Assassin's Creed 2 soundtrack when talking about florence, i see what you did there!
;)
Got any suggestions for next week's vid of Novgorod?
@@Lord_Lambert maybe the generic eastern European meme music that Mountain General uses as the background of his videos?
The white Company troop count should be the total amount. Mercs regiments are probably like your own standing regiments, which at the beginning of the game are only 100 men strong. Probably much stronger than the 1000 men levie regiments though.
It would be awesome to have Ezio Auditore as an easter egg character for Florence! Sadly i doubt it will happen but maybe a mod could be made...
Obviously the kingdom of Italy should be formable, but it a dynamic flag instead of the tricolor
I have a couple friends who have stopped playing eu4 when I ask them about it they usually tell me it stopped being "fun." Which I have always wondered about. I wonder if that's the same problem that happens to many MMOs players optimize the game so much that it stops being "fun". They were players who at the time knew all the optimal play styles and strategies.
I believe the attempt to make things more unpredictable maybe a attempt to slow or stop players from optimizing the fun out of the game.
No for Italy (at least the Italy in this in Vic3 and what people often think the north and south). Personally, I think the thing that makes more sense in this time period is re-establishing something akin to the Kingdom of the Lombards which doesn't include Rome would be fine though.
I also think that the random disaster works much better with the feel of this game. I prefer not knowing exactly when and where things will happen.
I think it's like Ja-ca-mo
Generic background for portraits sucks. Everyone is vehemently anti AI but this is the perfect use case for AI. It is a waste of time and resources for artists to draw an unique backgrounds for every country but you can easily do it in a few weeks with AI and its literally a net positive.
I argue that omitting the formation of Germany and Italy etc. from the game, for historical acuracy reasons, has very little benfit. Especially when compared to the enjoyment many would get from such a goal and achievment.
I like the 5% Revolt Requirement - i think EU Players have gotten too, Placid, Lazy, when it comes to events and the like. I mean, we can Automate Generals to Guard local regions and protect certain areas, so why shouldn't we have it so that we don't have regions be protected by a certain amount of troops and/or armies
Large Empires require Multiple armies to protect and Patrol. Let us Make it so.
Euiv start dates should be as historical as the game allows. trying to railroad nations with "arbitrary" but historically accurate date limits doesnt seem worth discussing; can't see how that would lead to a fun campaign
What is that Elba wtf? Is it a visual bug?
Going with Florence and then Novgorod first seems like they're deliberately dancing around the more major players, like France, Austria, the Ottomans, or Yuan and trying to focus more on smaller interesting countries first.
Needless to say that Germany is the most important formable in these games.
Of course the only character you liked was the English one. Haha
Day 1 republics shouldn't have to be praised but looking at CK3...
Not racisti atalli signiori.
What if we discover atlantis before you hit 30k? Then you lost big tims;)
That's why I'm asking for help! Atlantis is imminent!
They should have made unique mission trees - in-game i dont think this will feel like a lot of flavour
all the characters and their backgrounds are looking pretty underwhelming so far... (modable?)
EU4 rebels are terrible - predictable ticking up was disaster for the game. Good riddance.