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  • Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
  • The West Frisian language is spoken by some 450,000 mainly in the province of Fryslân in the Netherlands. It is closely related to English, and a common idea is that the main differences between English and Frisian come form the influence of French on the former following the Norman Conquest of 1066. While there is some truth in this, Frisian also has rather a lot of loanwords from French, though many of them are well disguised as Frisian words despite their romance origin.
    00:00-01:43 - Norman French in English
    01:43-03:34 - French Loanwords in Frisian
    03:34-06:42 - Frisianisation of French Loans
    06:42-09:20 - Reduction and R Metathesis
    09:20-13:33 - My Favourite Loanwords in Frisian
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Комментарии • 86

  • @BackgroundHistory
    @BackgroundHistory 25 дней назад +52

    This entire video got me going "Huh, is that a loanword?" over and over again! I think that avensearje was the most surprising one!

    • @smittoria
      @smittoria 25 дней назад

      Tige nijsgjirrich hoe't Frânske wurden "ferfryske" wurde mar bygelyks Ingelske of Dútske net!

    • @Gurbito
      @Gurbito 25 дней назад +4

      Hey man, love your videos about Frisian and Dutch history!

  • @keizervanenerc5180
    @keizervanenerc5180 25 дней назад +49

    Fellow Dutch person here. I noticed during some archival family research that some municipalities in Groningen were still using the French revolutionary calender in like 1809-1811 even though they stopped using that in France years prior. Maybe something to look into?

    • @bramvs123
      @bramvs123 22 дня назад +1

      My family from is from Groningen, and they were die-hard Napoleonists. Even spoke French at home in the 1800’s

  • @andriesdeboer8638
    @andriesdeboer8638 25 дней назад +12

    As a Frisian, i am baffled by the surprising amounts of loanwords I seemingly use in daily life. It is also quite funny to me that kwisekwânsje has a lot of accepted different forms, because most words have some regional variation. This is so interesting!

  • @redere4777
    @redere4777 25 дней назад +30

    I remember a Frisian telling me that some of the French loanwords in Frisian were popularised in order to make the language seem less like Dutch, sort of as an overcorrection of the Dutchisms in the language. I was specifically given koese vs. sliepe as an example where the French loan was favoured over the native Frisian word since it looked less like the Dutch word.

    • @naj_z
      @naj_z 25 дней назад +4

      Sounds like a typical thing a Frisian would do haha. They feel so special 😅

    • @tritojean7549
      @tritojean7549 24 дня назад +5

      I herd the flemish do the same thing with english to distance themselves from the wallons in belgium

    • @smal750
      @smal750 24 дня назад

      Wtf

    • @weonanegesiscipelibba2973
      @weonanegesiscipelibba2973 18 дней назад +6

      Frisian nationalists focus way too much on being less Dutch, than being more Frisian
      Which, like your examples shows, has them ending up ditching native Frisian words since they're uncontrollably related to Dutch (same language family)

  • @Fenditokesdialect
    @Fenditokesdialect 25 дней назад +12

    Similarly I've heard some people talk about Yorkshire dialect being "primarily Germanic" and though I agree that there are fewer loans in use in than in Standard English there are some words in use that don't appear in the standard:
    "Arran" for "spider": from "araigne"
    "Seym" for "lard" from "saim"
    "Ratton" for "rat" from "rattoun".
    Some words get cut down more than in Standard English too, so you get "ciety" for "society", "semly" for "assembly" or "liver" for "deliver".
    Some Norman forms are preserved too where you have "au" before "n" or "m".
    - "maunge" for "mange"
    -"jaumb" for "jamb"
    - "donce" for "dance"

  • @talideon
    @talideon 25 дней назад +11

    1:20 - it's important to note that "French" is ambiguous here, because the variety of French with the biggest initial influence was Normand French, which is really different from Parisian French phonologically.

    • @Allan_son
      @Allan_son 25 дней назад +6

      Which in turn leads the question of which version(s) of French influenced Frisian?
      It is probably worth saying that English had a huge influence from Normand after William the Bastard took over, but a second episode of borrowinb in the 18th and 19th centuries, when French was a prestige language across Europe from Moscow to London. "Warranty" and "guarantee" are an example of borrowing from French in the two eras.

    • @augth
      @augth 23 дня назад +2

      It is the same language. Just small variations.

  • @Jobe-13
    @Jobe-13 25 дней назад +14

    I now know more of just how convoluted the English language is.

  • @harrypjotr4987
    @harrypjotr4987 25 дней назад +9

    i'm frisian born and raised and i have never heard of almost all of these words.

  • @Biesjager
    @Biesjager 25 дней назад +9

    Here are some more that I have collected over the last couple of months:
    sjerp (French sirop)
    kroan(dea) (French charogne)
    opsternaat (Latin obstinatus)
    trawalje (French travail)
    reboelje (French rebellion)
    oppenearje (French opiner)
    prakkesearje (French pratiquer)
    ferrinnewearje (French ruiner)
    fûleindich (French villain)
    perfoarst (French par force)
    krommenearje (French récriminer)
    fertuten (Latin virtus)
    poerlegrap (French pour le grap)
    grammesiis (French grand merci)
    And many more!

    • @saba1030
      @saba1030 24 дня назад +1

      And most of these French terms are based on Latin, as French is a Romance language...
      French = travail
      Latin = tripaliare
      As Dutch is declared to be a = West Germanic language, like Frisian, Lower-Saxon, English, German
      French is declared to be a Romance language, like Spanish, Portugues, Italian...
      Een feinen Dag wünsch ik di met groetens ut Bremen 🖐
      Dat woer Nedderdüütsch 😊

  • @faenethlorhalien
    @faenethlorhalien 25 дней назад +5

    There are French loanwords in MANY languages. Not a surprise.

  • @korihyo
    @korihyo 23 дня назад +2

    As a Frenchman, I am passionate about the history and relations between the Benelux countries and France. You have excellent pronunciation of French words and your videos are amazing, keep it up!

  • @BenZiggyOosterom
    @BenZiggyOosterom 24 дня назад +3

    A Frisian native, secondary school French teacher here: ik koe der al in pear, mar ik wist net dat wy safolle wurden út it Frânsk liend hienen! In nijsgjirrich filmke hast derfan makke 🙂

  • @7r3v0rc
    @7r3v0rc 19 дней назад +2

    I love the idea of preparing to prepare, I need that in my life!

  • @seejayep4258
    @seejayep4258 25 дней назад +9

    What about Low German influence in Frisian? Are there something like those also?

    • @jeandupond9605
      @jeandupond9605 25 дней назад +4

      For North and East Frisian it’s very strong lexically, but for West Frisian it’s not as strong.

    • @saba1030
      @saba1030 25 дней назад

      Low German is simular to East and North Frisian...😊

  • @rienksjoerdsma
    @rienksjoerdsma 25 дней назад +3

    A lot of these words have native Dutch or Frisian versions that are more common or more "proper". For example, the "correct" word for to try is besykje wich is related to the Dutch word bezoeken.

  • @XyryuHyota
    @XyryuHyota 24 дня назад +3

    Frisian person here, thanks Hilbert. My list of typical Frisian words I usually tell dutch people turn out to mostly be French. Dât fyn ik wol wat nûver. ;)

  • @onnofeldmann4282
    @onnofeldmann4282 24 дня назад +1

    In East Frisian Platt it's basically the same - the prefixes and suffixes as well as the contraction also occur. Until 1850~1900 the words definitely come from Dutch, then from German. For this reason, Romance loanwords often have a German equivalent that is used alongside East Frisian - so there are people who say "inf'rmóósje" and people who simply use the German word "Information". I noticed the same thing in Fryslân, that people just use the Dutch forms, for example "informatie" instead of "ynformaasje". Changes can also be seen in "perbäären" which occurs in the east of East Frisia as "proobäären" as well as "perfesser vs. proofesser" and "proosent vs. persent". In words with "-ul-" in German this becomes "-el-", so "calculate" becomes "kalkeläären".

  • @PieterZijlstra
    @PieterZijlstra 22 дня назад +2

    11:31 Didn't expect to hear myself haha. Happy to contribute ;)

  • @hans7856
    @hans7856 21 день назад +1

    There are quite a few French loanwords in Low Saxon that do not have cognates in Dutch. Two examples: _diverdoatsie_ 'entertainment' < Fr. divertissement, _reselveren_ 'decide' < Fr. resolver. Apparently, Dutch either lost them or did not feel the need to borrow them, whereas the Low Saxon languages in the East did.

  • @Max-pk6uc
    @Max-pk6uc 25 дней назад +4

    For me it just seemed like most european languages taking words from french that relate to states, religion and philosolhy. In Lithuania the word for province is "provincija" in russian (translitoration) its "pravincija" and other word examples just seem like common words that were borrowed from french when it was the european lingua franca and so not very surprising. Maybe a bit interesting but not mind blowing.

    • @tugpetit2204
      @tugpetit2204 19 дней назад

      They probably borrowed it directly from latin.

  • @vrblnslt9094
    @vrblnslt9094 25 дней назад +4

    Hil, de muziek staat te hard 😂

  • @user-oe1bu5qw1w
    @user-oe1bu5qw1w 25 дней назад +4

    Ain't frisian, french or dutch, but enjoyed the video.

  • @Allan_son
    @Allan_son 25 дней назад +1

    "Diversion" can be used in the sense of an amusement, even if the verb "divert" kept its original (non reflexive) meaning from French/Latin

  • @vardekpetrovic9716
    @vardekpetrovic9716 24 дня назад +1

    There are plenty of french words in all sorts of wierd places. Even in the northernmost province of sweden where a few still speak bothnian languages, a simple word as "remidjen" made its way from the french "remidien"

    • @TheMoviePlanet
      @TheMoviePlanet 22 дня назад

      As a French person, WTF is "remidien"?

    • @vardekpetrovic9716
      @vardekpetrovic9716 22 дня назад

      @@TheMoviePlanet Old archaic word for cutlery or eating tools. Perhaps i got the spelling wrong.

  • @Pentix123
    @Pentix123 25 дней назад +3

    I am east Frisian from Germany

  • @7r3v0rc
    @7r3v0rc 19 дней назад

    Kwisjekwasje has a Chinuk Wawa analogue in the term "hiyu muckamuck" [plenty of food] which became "high muckamuck" in North American English, which refers to a person of local or regional importance, and historically as any important person with political and/or social power. Interesting to see that term here. 'Plenty of food' becoming 'important person' is culturally relevant to the American indigenous context.

  • @saba1030
    @saba1030 25 дней назад +2

    What about the East Frisians, Frisians, and North Frisians ?

  • @Grofvolkoren
    @Grofvolkoren 25 дней назад +1

    Give some love to Stadsfries one day.

  • @niku..
    @niku.. 24 дня назад

    All of this reminds me so much of how we treat loanwords in Low Saxon (Low German) down to the metathesis and folk-etymology. Though Low Saxon, at least in Germany, hasn't been influenced by French nearly as much as Dutch and West Frisian have (at least from my impression)

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory 25 дней назад +1

    is this part of some playlist?

  • @tysonl.taylor-gerstner1558
    @tysonl.taylor-gerstner1558 22 дня назад

    Apricot is interesting but worth pointing out that "apple" once was merely a word meaning fruit. It was not until around the time fruit/fructus was borrowed into germanic languages that this word became specialized to mean a particular kind of fruit with less confusion. This is why certain fruites like "pomegranate" is rendered as "granaatappel" in Dutch. I never learned it in Frisian, but it is the same. The word is "Granatapfel" in German.
    "Colonel" has an older form "cornel" So it is not so surprising. English adapted the newer French spelling but kept the older pronunciation and contracted it.
    One common feature in translation is a "sound analogy" in which borrowed words and names are absorbed into a language and given names that associate the sounds with meaningful elements in the target language.

    • @TheMoviePlanet
      @TheMoviePlanet 22 дня назад

      Well Pomegranate is also "Granate Apple". The "Pome" prefix is the French word for "Apple", "Pomme". But yeah, you can find the word apple in tons of produce, even all the way to the potato whose proper French name is "Pomme de Terre" aka "Earth Apple".

  • @marcocapelle
    @marcocapelle 25 дней назад +2

    Heel grappig/ very funny!

  • @Red_Duc
    @Red_Duc 7 дней назад

    could you maybe do a video about Saterfrisian, I think it's survival is quite intresting.

  • @BramVanhooydonck
    @BramVanhooydonck 24 дня назад

    In Flanders we also say for example "Aveçeer 'et?" or "Aveçeer-de (gij)?" But it means to make progress

  • @learnfrisian
    @learnfrisian 24 дня назад

    Nijsgjirrich! Tige tank foar de fideo ;)

  • @eclipsion136
    @eclipsion136 24 дня назад

    The "frisianization" section reminded me a lot of eggcorns in English, which is where a word gets misheard or misinterpreted as a combination of other existing words, when the meaning of those words still kinda makes sense. "Eggcorn" is itself an eggcorn, of the word "Acorn"

  • @Jerbod2
    @Jerbod2 24 дня назад

    Interesting video mate!
    My ex girlfriends mom said Jannejaarje, and I thought she made a mistake, didn't know it was a known variant.
    Also Hilbert, I dont know if you had this word on your channel before but my dad used to use it:
    Sabeare. To pretend. Is dat echt of is dat sabeare?

  • @carthkaras6449
    @carthkaras6449 24 дня назад

    Petit commentaire pour le référencement.

  • @poil8351
    @poil8351 24 дня назад

    Intresting a couple of those words are actually spanish words like colonel and guano which is actually originally derived from Quechua

  • @danielrademeyer390
    @danielrademeyer390 24 дня назад +2

    Interesting how in afrikaans apricot is Appelkoos. I dont think frisian had any influence on us, so it must be a case of convergent evolution, as if the word got transformed in the same way twice by distinct groups of people, independntly.

    • @vrblnslt9094
      @vrblnslt9094 23 дня назад +1

      Its from the old Zeeuws language and whats now the Dutch provinc3 of Zeeland used to be a Frisian territory... so there's that?

    • @danielrademeyer390
      @danielrademeyer390 22 дня назад

      @@vrblnslt9094 yeah but afrikaans comes from normal dutch, not frisian

    • @vrblnslt9094
      @vrblnslt9094 22 дня назад

      @@danielrademeyer390 actually its based on the zeeuws accent which is deriven from Dutch and like I said used to be part of what now a days is called magna frisia, its only been the Netherlands for a little while and Frisian for a much longer period before that

  • @narvuntien
    @narvuntien 24 дня назад +2

    It appears the Frisians have the same economy of communication Australians have, don't need to say the whole word to get the point acrosss.

  • @Sheendyan
    @Sheendyan 18 дней назад

    What 🧐 the last sentecne means ' the wooden seat broken " in my language

  • @AutoReport1
    @AutoReport1 24 дня назад

    English had a lot of pseudo-loanwords - English words that were confused with French words of not quite the same meaning.

  • @ZhovtoBlakytniy
    @ZhovtoBlakytniy 24 дня назад

    I love Frisian ❤

  • @alansmithee8831
    @alansmithee8831 25 дней назад +1

    A'reyt Hilbert. Sounds krekt to my Yorkshire ear. Mind you I do live near Pontefract, Normanton and Bretton.
    I reckon round here they would say that if those are French loan words, the good thing is you can "gi' 'em back when tha's done wi' 'em".
    P.S. So you reckon Frisian is the proof that Anglo Saxon did not need beefing up? Mutton grumble though. Porkquoi?

  • @EthanBSide
    @EthanBSide 25 дней назад +1

    Got it. How do say "piss off" in fresian?

    • @saba1030
      @saba1030 24 дня назад +1

      Schiet di wat = Lower Saxon 😁

    • @Jerbod2
      @Jerbod2 24 дня назад +1

      Opsoademieterje!

  • @smal750
    @smal750 24 дня назад

    whats frisian and how is it different from dutch

  • @leastephany7490
    @leastephany7490 25 дней назад +2

    se divertir and not se diverter.

    • @carthkaras6449
      @carthkaras6449 24 дня назад +1

      Attention, peut-être qu'une forme antérieure se disait "se diverter", comme la petite remarque le laissait suggérer à ce moment là de la vidéo.

  • @TheMoviePlanet
    @TheMoviePlanet 22 дня назад

    As a French person, WTF is "verbum"?

  • @celtofcanaanesurix2245
    @celtofcanaanesurix2245 24 дня назад

    Addedomyas mī sepeti uman. Lamyū tu uindet pid brētrās ac eni pid iextei sepennem uman.

  • @IanSwart
    @IanSwart 25 дней назад +1

    Lekker koese klink só oulik!

  • @tiberiusmagnificuscaeser4929
    @tiberiusmagnificuscaeser4929 25 дней назад +2

    Frenchian

  • @siyacer
    @siyacer 24 дня назад

    huh

  • @wasstl2153
    @wasstl2153 18 дней назад

    A number of mistakes :
    "Se diverter" doesn't exist. The right verb is "se divertir". "Prover" is in fact "prouver". "Ruine" has no Umlaut on the "i". "Percent" doesn't exist in French : the French word is "pourcent". "Emeritus" is a latin form. The corresponding French word is "Emérite". Similarly, "verbum" is latin. The French word is "Verbe".
    In one of the tables, the column named "French ending" rather shows Dutch endings of French origin.
    When you refer to the word "aloé", do you mean the old form of "alouette", which is a bird ? Or do you mean "alloué", meaning allocated or granted ?

  • @tayebizem3749
    @tayebizem3749 12 дней назад

    Most of those French words aren't even French more Greek and modern made up words from Latin and Greek roots

  • @Emanon...
    @Emanon... 24 дня назад +1

    There are French loan words in literally every Germanic language. Why shouldn't it apply to Frisian?
    Seems like a weird thing to make a video about.
    Next topic: Arabic loan words in astronomy!

    • @user-ge5ce2rr6p
      @user-ge5ce2rr6p 24 дня назад

      Yes, there are many loan words in all languages, English got some Japanese loan words "Tsunami" and "Origami", but the point is French is very significant in English (so much so that there is more French than English (Anglo-Saxon) in Modern English
      Modern English is the least Germanic of the (living) Germanic languages

    • @ThW5
      @ThW5 22 дня назад

      @@user-ge5ce2rr6p That's why: Lots of people SAY that English has a less Germanic vocabulary than the other Germanic languages, but they fail to show that, the loans in other Germanic languages are often not as easily recognized...

  • @zacsayer1818
    @zacsayer1818 24 дня назад

    Not gonna lie, I struggled to enjoy this one as much as I usually do, but that’s ok.