@@puppyhowler haha not directly no. The second interview he has in season six though is very aimed at his "Power Complex" over women and that didn't help in the going to jail thing. Like Bojack says, he's officially charged with breaking and entering, but he's kinda in for all of it.
@Autumn Potato It's a good point. At the end of the day, he's still a super rich, privileged person. Even when everything's against him, he still gets away with most of the bad stuff he's done.
@@marvelousmeh2077 what gets me is that biscuits and paige didn't discover all of the shitty things he did to various people which kinda sucks for those directly affected by them
This scene is a good depiction of why people don't speak up about their abuse or sexual assault. Maybe they didn't finally become renowned actors, but maybe it would risk their jobs, or their families, or their hard won peace. It's not a question of being "too weak".
The exact reason why for years I never opened up about being stalked in middle school by some psychopathic creep who wouldn’t take no for an answer. That sentiment is appreciated- so few intelligent, decent people seem to know this. Thank you. Gina’s very relatable to me.
True, and espcially why if one person comes out about it, more people will. If there are several other people to share the burden it isn't going to be nearly as much of a strain, and as sad as it seems, a famous person being "one of the people Bad Guy assaulted" rather than being the ONLY person accusing him and standing up to him makes it much less likely that's going to be the most prominent part of their life.
Fr people think just because theres decent evidence and they really were assaulted that they’ll get justice But just that’s survival bias; for every assault case where the attacker was found guilty, theres 5 more where the innocent lost and was made out to be the bas guy With a good enough lawyer and a mob mentality they can make even the most innocent seem guilty Its relatively easy to speak up and immediately have everything you’ve ever worked for be squandered This is why people are so terrified to speak up and literally Everytime someone DOES speak up man or woman they’re always called weak or just looking for money And then those same people ask why don’t they speak up
This is also a career she's spent years working to build, and now that it's finally taken off it's threatened by her becoming unhirable if she is open about her co-star abusing her. She will only be known for and recognized for a 'scandal' and nobody will hire her if they think she pressed charges against him for what could be interpreted as accidental excessive force during acting. It's cruel, and it's unfair, but it's how the industry infamously is. Bojack wants to do what he thinks is the right thing, but he also wants to do what is best for Gina, his victim. And what she wants for what is best for her and her career contradicts what would bring justice to her and force BJ to face consequences. Love this show.
@@emanuelc.8579 There are good and bad guys. The world can easily be black and white. Good people can do bad things, and bad people can do good things, but that doesn't mean everyone is grey. It simply means that most people are bad, on a scale from horrible to just slightly bad. There are few, if any, good people.
bojack aint a bad guy, bojack is the depression each and every one of us has inside just other versions of it. bojack is maybe the best GOOD character there is, just the willingness to try and do something to be better even if you did a lot of bad things through life, is more than enough to say he is and always will be a good guy deep down
TheAwesomeDarkNinja tbh, gina’s story feels a lot more realistic and heart wrenching, like she worked so hard to get where she was and it was nearly ruined
Wanda was adorable and very funny but Gina had more character, she had more going on than Wanda did which made Wanda very much feel like a temporary character
Linny Crocus OMG SAME I was so shocked by the comment section too because Bojack horseman is a show with heavy feminist messages and the writers have really been building up to this “don’t feel sorry for Bojack” shit and people STILL feel bad for him. This is so weird and shocking.
I feel bad for bojack yea but I do feel worse for Gina. Bojack is a lot like me while he struggles with being a good person and relationships I struggle with being competent. And I do *so* want to see bojack succeed because I wanna see myself succeed so when he fails that hurts all the most. But Gina she finally opened up and trusted someone and when they were in a high stooper almost killed her and he got away with it by her own choice in thoughts of her career and to add insult to injury it didn’t even work and the show got canceled so yea everything is worse now
The way I see it, is that Beatrice was a character which everyone hated, until season 4, when gave her a backstory. It doesn't justify what she was like to Bojack but for many, it seems to have helped them understand her and feel sympathetic for her. I see the same thing happening for Bojack, here. We've seen just how much shit, he's been through and it's tough to just turn on him and proclaim that he is pure evil or something. Especially considering his current drug problem and much much more. I think one of the messages of season 5, is that we shouldn't be so judgemental of others who have a checkered past because that is how people are. Diane and Bojack fighting after the Philbert party speaks volumes to that. Each has made massive "oopsies", to say the least but roasts eachother for them. I just find it tough, if not slightly hypocritical towards the writers, to make us try and sympathise with Beatrice (which was the whole point of her backstory, really) and to then want us to shake our heads at Bojack for being shitty, despite an arguably comparable upbringing.
@@Bookauru They don't want us to approve of Bojack's actions, but I'm pretty sure they do want us to feel sorry for him and they've wanted us to feel that for the whole show. Why else show us how awful his childhood is or keep emphasizing his self-loathing?
@@pickyphysicsstudent201 What makes you think the writers don't want us to sympathize with Bojack? Also you can sympathize with someone - as in pity them - and still also shake your heads at then for being shitty. Heck, it's even possible to feel sorry for a character while hating them.
This scene was always one of the most painful to watch in the series. I physically cringe every time Gina does the fake joking strangle to Bojack. It just makes you feel a different type of way. Unsettled and uncomfortable.
On one hand, we get to see how truly gifted of an actor Gina is. On the other hand, it’s fucking depressing to see the extents she’s forced to go to in order to protect her career. While Bojack, the actual aggressor, is still protected from the consequences of his own actions.
@@miraann3997 And I give him credit for it. But there are so many ways the industry keeps women from speaking out. Bojack's created a problem much bigger than anything he can fix
The series end was heartening. It looks like Kelsey Jannings manages to get Gina to star in her feminist superhero movie, based on a one-off background sight gag. Given that it looked like Gina's trauma was going to be an obstacle to her working, it seems like it took somebody like Jannings to understand why Gina had these issues on set, and be willing to work around them.
Gina feeling the need to downplay what happened to her for the sake of her career is heartbreaking, and seeing her panic during that dance scene too... she deserves the world and more.
this scene hurts SO much more when you watch season six and see how badly this affects her life, and that staying quiet actually hurts her career in the long run. her desperation to just get over it is relatable to so many victims out there who just want to carry on with their lives.
@@heymistercarter.Damn, I never expected BoJack Horseman to have anything in common with Encanto. Now that I think on it though, I guess there’s more than that. Both are animated, deal with generational trauma, have a main side character shunned by their family.
This show really works hard to confirm my belief that the entertainment industry is a cesspool. "I have to cover up that I was assaulted by my drugged up co-star to further my career in this industry" is pretty messed up. And if you think about it, Gina is going down a similar road that Bojack did: Sacrificing humanity for career and fame, which only creates issues and sorrows down the road.
@Q it's a jab at Hollywood and an example of why victims often stay quiet in other circumstances. But it's definitely true that this specific problem gets amplified when you are in the entertainment industry and could risk having the entire public eye on your abuse
I don’t think she’s “sacrificing her humanity” more trying to move on with her life and quietly deal with her trauma on her own. She’s smart, she’ll get therapy. She just doesn’t want to be defined by her abuse.
Stephanie Beatriz is an amazing actress. Have you noticed that Gina is struggling to speak due to being previously strangled by BoJack…mad voice acting skills.
I'm so grateful I watched a show like Bojack Horseman. I never would have even *imagined* this kind of point of view from abuse victims. This added a new level of potential context for me that probably should have been more obvious, but at least I learned somehow...
The funny thing is, earlier in the series, Bojack made a huge deal about not choking women. Like specifically saying it’s wrong to do the action of choking, (not hitting, slapping, shoving, or grabbing, you know, domestic abuse situations that are probably much more common than choking) specifically against women, yet he does this exact things himself. I’d really like to think this is intentional but I’m not too sure since Bojack’s statement was about choking, and the show describes the Gina situation as “strangling”. I know the two words are synonyms, but it makes this series of events feel coincidental instead of intentional.
It was very much so intentional. Similar to how in season 2’s episode “Hank after dark” Diane goes after Hank Hippolpopalus for sexual misconduct and BoJack supports her in doing so - but later in the season the incident with Penny happens. Early in season three BoJack condemned Sarah Lynn for only going sober to get a great high later on - and the he’s the one who breaks her sobriety by the end of the season. The penultimate episodes tend to go against something BoJack previously stood for in the season. The show is amazing at subversion.
Remember Bojack, being a horse, is about 1,234 pounds heavier. And he was over her when he was choking her. So he not only choked her, he was crushing her. It's amazing Gina was still able to talk if he hadn't crushed her windpipe already.
I'm just gonna pretend that Bojack is the size of a normal human male, because if he really were the size and strength of a horse, Gina would've been killed in 2 seconds tops.
Remember when he got this reaction from apologizing to Herb Kazzaz in the first season? Now a similar thing happens here, and he goes to rehab afterward. It took 5 seasons before he was ready to face reality; that's made exceptionally clear with the past few episodes, with their themes of fantasy and reality blurring together.
I think there's a noticeable difference since then however. He apologised to Herb because he expected forgiveness, a self serving vindication, when he didn't get it things turned nastier. By the time of say Season Four he has learned not to demand forgiveness, as seen with Todd, where his humility does turn things around (though being Todd, who isn't exactly known for grudges, that's a smaller stepping stone). Here he doesn't expect forgiveness at all, he just wants to do the right thing and accept the consequences.
This is so horrible, in real life people get so hyper focused over perpetrators, what lead them to do this? The inner workings of ______, The mind of a _______ etc etc. And just completely ignoring the victims or screwing them over. Gina knows that if she speaks out she will just be an interview piece in an "the inner workings of Bojack" article and that her career will circle around how much of a victim she was.
@@MemoryOfTheRose yeah uma thurman was treated horribly during the shooting of kill bill. in the scene where she's choked with a chain she was being chocked irl. i can't remember if it was also tarantino the one who spit on her face while choking her. and there's also of course the whole other deal about him making her drive a faulty car even after her objections, which she crashed into a tree, and caused her permanent damage. afterwards they had to act friendly during interviews to promote the movie. so a lot of parallels in here i guess
F**k Hollywood. It has brought nothing but sadness, misery and has AND STILL IS utterly destroying countless of peoples lives, children and adults alike.
Biscuits was just a whistleblower, and y'all crap on her for the actions of Bojack. She merely wanted to get the truth out because women don't deserve to be treated like shit.
This is just another reason why Bojack Horseman is such a good show, not just "another adult cartoon". It shows and talks about topics like this that other shows would be terrified of mentioning BECAUSE of that same reason of exposing the acting and stardom world. BH was made and written with everything in mind, fully knowing what they were going to show to the world, and it is so admirable.
"BH was made and written with everything in mind, fully knowing what they were going to show to the world, and it is so admirable." they actually focus grouped this show, and noticed that throughout the trump years people needed one thing: recognition from hollywood writers rooms! one simple trick to keep neoliberalism alive and thriving
It’s amazingly fucked up how Bojack covering up HIS assault is him doing Gina a favor, something she herself is begging him for. So twisted and somehow feels so real.
Even though BoJack is a shitty person and it's a good thing that he finally got what he deserved in Season 6, I still can't help but respect him here in this clip. This is the one rare time that he doesn't just simply feel bad about what he did, and instead did genuinely want to come clean about what he did to Gina . You can tell that he knew she deserved justice and wanted to give it to her. But alas, he also recognized that ousting himself would make Gina only famous because of him and his assault instead of because of her talents and skills. He didn't want her to be only known as another checked box on BoJack's laundry list of victims he hurt, so it left him in a tough spot.
What makes this whole thing even worse is that a few episodes earlier, Bojack had gone to Gina's house (looking for his drugs) after she had ended their relationship, and accidentally reignited it again. Gina had said how she had gone though literally dozens of co-stars, and none of them had tried to stay with her after the show ended . So, Bojack was the first relationship Gina truly cared about and was invested in. She cared about him in a way she hadn't with anyone else. And then she saw the true, real side of him. In an instant Bojack, even if not intentionally, betrayed and destroyed that trust and scarred her for life.
I like the follow up to this in the final season where they show that, even though she refused to speak out about it, it still affected her career because she was traumatized by the event, was never able to get help for it, and can't explain her PTSD to other people.
This is painful. It's so hard to see that he deeply regrets what he did and he wants to own it and finally be held responsible for a reason that isn't selfish or to his benefit. But the one time that opportunity comes to him, he can't take it. The end of season 5 is truly gutting.
I agree with Todd's point of view. You cant keep making shitty things and apologize as if that makes it okay. This was just one of many, even as fucked up as it was. Coming clean is just repeating the same thing, he needs to be better.
@@Mm-dn5gc Yeah but this isn't that simple. He was literally out of it when he did what he did. It's not like he made a conscious decision to act shitty, he is sick. Not saying he isn't responsible, just pointing out that those scenarios aren't comparible
@@ManoVeneza No, he just put his needs above hers, or anybody else's. It doesn't matter what the circumstances were, the season itself says 'choking women is bad' and we laugh along at the idea that anyone could defend it. Well, Bojack choked a women, and that can never be taken back.
Mano Veneza he was out of it because of pills that he abused for a problem that he didn’t have. just because he feels remorse and guilty for what he did doesn’t make him less bad of a person. it just excludes him from being a psychopath. bojack is an unreliable narrator in the sense that in spite of the shitty things he’s done, continuous flashbacks to his childhood and the strained relationship with his mother make us feel pity for him, and make us even agree with him when he claims to be the true victim of his own wrongdoings. but the reality is that it’s just a shitty person rationalizing his own shitty behavior.
@@osmoticmonk trying to make sweeping statements about his character like that is arbitrary. what led him to do those drugs though? nobody does things for no reason, yes he's done a lot of shitty things but it would just be a dick move to write a show about a completely awful dude who ruins the relationships with everyone around him and you know, not a show about a horse confronting the hundreds of layers his mental illness has built.
This is really painful to see and how real it is. The epitome of an example of this would be Rihanna, her assault was made public in 2009. She’s an award winning singer with outstanding talent and yet years later Chris Brown is still one of the most notable things people know about her. Gina didn’t want to be defined by her assault.
@@halfpintrr Of course it came out _after_ the abuse. Personally, I don't buy that Rihanna was making a statement about a kink she possesses. To borrow an opinion from Todd in the Shadows, the lyrics read like a bumper sticker. The song sounds more like she's saying "Uhh, yeah, I totally AM into bondage! Sure do like that bondage stuff! Yeah..." I mean, none of this is relevant to the joke I made, anyway. Thanks for performing a humorectomy on it. :|
This fact just blows my mind... There was no acting during the choking scene, but they were acting during the real interview. I can't get over how much they blurred the line between what's real and what isn't.
With Gina it's very straightforward what's happening here but with Bojack I love how there are many layers to what he's doing. Did he want to confess to take responsibility or out of guilt? Did he go along with Gina because she thinks that's the right thing to do or because it's an excuse to dodge responsibility? I imagine that if Gina is more successful she would be more comfortable speaking out which is how I thought what would happen but seeing as the trauma is actually impacting her success she might just actual speak out about it or maybe Bojack will be the one to speak out about it despite going against Gina's wishes when he sees the trauma he caused.
Gina's story is so tragic to be honest and highlights that we often shame the person who was abused or assaulted. Both genders suffer from this. When Men gets abused or assaulted, they are deemed to weak or not manly enough and wouldn't happen if they were just manly. For women, people often say she was asking for it, because of how she dressed or worse, just call them an attention seeker.
It's fucked up for victims to come up about their abuse publicly bc 100% ppl will use that shit for clout and make you relive everything over and over and over again.
Gina's character is so sad on the series on hindsight, im glad that she got to see Bojack in jail, it may have not solved his problems, but is a start for her and i wish they would had added a scene when she comes forward to what she went through with him, what hurts the most is that we never get to see her overcome the trauma ether, her last scene is her hitting her head because his new co-star grabbed her neck slightly, and she end up looking like the asshole diva because she cant talk or explain why she is so upset, she really deserved better
In the finale, there's a quick scene where's she's on the billboard of an upcoming superhero movie (the one Kelsey Jannings was directing and had considered Gina for), so things were looking up for her.
Him wanting to confess shows that BoJack isn't really an evil person. He's a bad person, certainly, and it shows that you can still be bad without being evil.
I’ve been seeing this theory floating around This episode takes place months after the Hollyhock episode, she would have shown signs of pregnancy by now. Plus if the pills were that important Gina would just get new ones
Gina not hesitating to go for that kiss, despite everything, is the manliest part of the interview. It's a display of so much determination that even Bojack shrivels in its wake. The absolute balls on the woman.
It’s not really development, it more so depicts how some people (especially people that work in media) are completely willing to turn on you if doing so gets them more positive attention.
@@beyondviolet I think that Biscuit genuinely felt disgusted by what they learned about Bojack, It was a win win situation for them. Ruining the career of someone who hurt women and boosting ratings at the same time.
@@pufffpup Personally I think Biscuits' actions are mercenary. She was equally willing to go puff piece or exposé the entire time. It took Paige's urging to get her to switch, it wasn't some change of heart. Paige herself is more force of nature than force for good. Her motivation for exposing Bojack is the thrill of the chase.
Biscuit knowingly paints over the sins of famous people for relevancy and access. She only switches gear when she realizes doing so won't be financially profitable for much longer. Paige literally spells this out for her and the audience before Bojack's second interview. That's business acumen, not character development, because her moral compass has not shifted.
@faded9581 as much as I love how Biscuits went right after Bojack, she should've done so from the start rather than feel pressured from a woman who wanted to profit off from the scandals Bojack caused. It cheapened what Gina, Penny and Sarah Lynn suffered through by not going for the head straight away. Paige didn't really care for the victims, she just wanted to profit off from them.
God it’s so awful. You can’t really side with Gina here, but you ESPECIALLY don’t want to side with Bojack, either. But at the same time, you can’t really blame Gina for wanting to silence this whole thing, even thought the right thing to do would be to go to the police. She knows that’s the right thing to do, but it would cost her her credibility and career. Honestly, I don’t know what I would do in that position. If it meant being truthful or keeping my hard-earned career, it’s a tough choice. I can only sit here and imagine the hundreds of actors/actresses going through this exact bullshit. People who keep quiet for the sake of keeping their careers and not wanting to anger their abusers. It must be difficult and terrifying.
Adam Davis Because she’s ultimately not doing the right thing, either. She acknowledges as much, too. I mean, I UNDERSTAND why she’s not being upfront, but it still isn’t the way to go. By keeping quiet, she’s only perpetuating this endless cycle of abuse in the movie industry and not calling out assholes like Bojack for taking advantage of others. I know Bojack didn’t mean to do it either, he was under the influence, but it was still 100% his fault and he SHOULD have been held accountable. But instead, he ended up scott free and Gina helped make sure of that. Again, I understand it’s a complex situation, and I know that Gina was just afraid. But it still wasn’t right.
It's a good commentary on victim culture. It seems to be the stylish thing now to be a victim. But real victims, true victims like Gina, abhor the idea of making their story public because there is a stigma that comes with it. You can dress it up as much as you want, say they're survivors or fighters, but at the end of the day, they're just other terms for victim and Gina knows that's all people will see her as. She'd just be the girl that got strangled by Bojack Horseman, forever tied to the name of her attacker. So no, I don't blame her for not going public. If she did, she wouldn't be able to move on because everyone would bring it up.
The way that so many people in this comment section are fully writing off a SA because the perpetrator was under the influence is insane but not at all surprising, just because he was under the influence doesn’t mean that he’s suddenly possessed, it just happens that he was on something when he decided to assault someone. These comments are very telling of peoples options on SA and the victims of said assault; when they happen to like or sympathize with the perpetrator.
You are asserting that Bojack being under the influence doesn't mean that he's suddenly possessed. Does that mean you think that women who are drunk can consent or is the cognitive dissonance too strong?
Honestly I really don't know how I feel about Bojack anymore; like, we know the character is good but when it comes down to it, he strangled his costar while high on pills. That is fucked up and if it was a real celebrity who did something like that, I doubt I'd feel much sympathy for the guy. However, in terms of the shows quality, I love this moral ambiguity in it all.
*To be fair it's easier to hear about a person and judge them from the sidelines, the reason we can still empathize with Bojack is simply that were with him almost the entirety of his trip through the shit he does, we're not getting small glimpses of him from a newspaper article, we're getting the entire story.*
I feel so sorry for Gina "I don't want you to be the most important thing that's ever happened to me"is so real and so depressing and unfair I can't believe I feel bad for bojack too because he's such a horrible person
At the end of it all, Bojack is really alone. Save for Diane, but, truthfully, I want Bojack to finally change for the better and start over, keeping everything he has learned.
This was so hard to watch. You can see just how unbearable this was for Bojack, and for once he seemed to truly feel 100% responsible for his actions. No legal age of consent justification, or deep rooted result of his upbringing, nothing he would usually throw out to try to convince himself he wasn't solely responsible. He wants to own it. Partly, I think it's because he's in so much pain and self loathing, that he doesn't care what the hell kind of blowback he gets. But also, I believe he wants to finally be held accountable for his shitty actions, which might force him to actually change. Weirdly enough, this does become the incident that ultimately leads him to finally take a legitimate step towards changing (rehab). Besides, I knew he wouldn't be with Gina by the end. The only person I can ever see him being with is Diane. Knowing these creators, that will never happen. But, a huge part of me wants both of them to leave Hollywoo behind together and get the happy ending they've always wanted. They're the only person that understands the other, and she's the reason he finally was able to go to rehab. Alas, I'm 99% sure that rehab is going to end in tragedy and anguish like it always seems to, but I feel that this suffering needs to end before this show overdoes it.
Bojack and Diane being together would be good for Bojack, and bad for Diane. Diane is no saint, but she has enough of a self-preservation instinct to see this clearly, even if she cares for him. It's kindof why I think Ana Spanakopita was the best and most overlooked character. Sure, she's a bit cold. But Spanakopita has the clearest head out of all of them and saw Bojack for exactly what he is a mile away.
@@EV-wp1fj I think that Bojack would have to provably change before I would agree with Diane making that decision. She'd be a masochist to date him as he has been, and after what she has gone through. I know that them getting together would be the cliche ending, but after eveything they have both experienced, it would be mighty satisfying if the show's creators wanted to finally give us an escape from the saddness and mancholy that this show (and its characters) consists so much of. I highly doubt they will end it like that though. They're not afraid to take risks to make their show a more mature and realistic depiction of, well, adult life (as well as Hollywood culture and deep rooted depressive behavior) for lack of a better term.
I really hate how the one time Bojack actually shows interest in making himself responsible for his actions, risking to throw away everything he has, he is implored by his victim not to do it. God I love this show. I'm thankful still that he did eventually took responsibility for his actions by the other interview, even if it wasn't on his terms.
This is such a great scene. You totally feel for Gina, she's 100% in the right, he should be in jail, and she can't speak up about it. You also feel for Bojack, he's a total piece of shit but he feels genuinely remorseful and will have to carry that guilt with him until his dying day.
This entire interview feels like returning to public after crying. You've finally managed to get your stop your eyes from being so red, but you could cry at any moment if someone points out something being off.
This is actually what happens to people who are victims of abuse in show business. They want to be known for what they've done themselves and not what's been done to them.
@daniapfel2825 I don't know. I've never been apart of a situation like that. I've just heard other people talk about their experiences and why they stay silent.
@@daniapfel2825when something as major as being choked by a celebrity caught on tape gets out there, it is inevitably the thing you will be remembered for the most. No one wants to be remembered as "that one victim who got choked by that famous actor" or "the girl who made those allegations about that famous guy". She'd never live that title down when her break into the industry was technically also due to BoJack's presence/aid. Other people need to know that Bojack isn't safe to be around, but Gina had her valid reasons for not wanting to come out with her own INCREDIBLY personal encounter.
Gina was the best girl Bojack had. She wanted to be a star like Bojack, accepted the shitty life that comes with being such star, she was a no-bs person. And still. Bojack managed to mess it up.
Actually, you got that wrong. Bojack accomplished that himself when he should've listened to Princess Carolyn instead of going for that second interview.
Gina is like my older sister and looks like her,I grew up in domestic abusive home,I would do anything to protect my sister,I wished my dad wasn’t a control freak.
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“I don’t want you to be the most notable thing about me!” that’s the most real statement i have heard in a TV show
YES
She didn't want a Monika Lewinsky situation.
Seriously frick her and good she got destroyed
@@harleyb7880 Or a Sharon Tate one.
@@MetalGameRisingOr a Nicole Brown Simpson situation
"If there were any justice you'd be in jail right now"
So about that....
he didn't get put in jail because of what happened to gina tho
@@puppyhowler haha not directly no. The second interview he has in season six though is very aimed at his "Power Complex" over women and that didn't help in the going to jail thing. Like Bojack says, he's officially charged with breaking and entering, but he's kinda in for all of it.
@Autumn Potato It's a good point. At the end of the day, he's still a super rich, privileged person. Even when everything's against him, he still gets away with most of the bad stuff he's done.
@@Dch1994 The Gina case was not presented thought. Bojack should served way longer for the shit he has done to Gina.
@@marvelousmeh2077 what gets me is that biscuits and paige didn't discover all of the shitty things he did to various people which kinda sucks for those directly affected by them
This scene is a good depiction of why people don't speak up about their abuse or sexual assault. Maybe they didn't finally become renowned actors, but maybe it would risk their jobs, or their families, or their hard won peace.
It's not a question of being "too weak".
The exact reason why for years I never opened up about being stalked in middle school by some psychopathic creep who wouldn’t take no for an answer. That sentiment is appreciated- so few intelligent, decent people seem to know this. Thank you. Gina’s very relatable to me.
Do you need someone who’ll listen? Cause I can be all eyes if you need to get something off your chest.
True, and espcially why if one person comes out about it, more people will. If there are several other people to share the burden it isn't going to be nearly as much of a strain, and as sad as it seems, a famous person being "one of the people Bad Guy assaulted" rather than being the ONLY person accusing him and standing up to him makes it much less likely that's going to be the most prominent part of their life.
Fr people think just because theres decent evidence and they really were assaulted that they’ll get justice
But just that’s survival bias; for every assault case where the attacker was found guilty, theres 5 more where the innocent lost and was made out to be the bas guy
With a good enough lawyer and a mob mentality they can make even the most innocent seem guilty
Its relatively easy to speak up and immediately have everything you’ve ever worked for be squandered
This is why people are so terrified to speak up and literally Everytime someone DOES speak up man or woman they’re always called weak or just looking for money
And then those same people ask why don’t they speak up
This is also a career she's spent years working to build, and now that it's finally taken off it's threatened by her becoming unhirable if she is open about her co-star abusing her. She will only be known for and recognized for a 'scandal' and nobody will hire her if they think she pressed charges against him for what could be interpreted as accidental excessive force during acting. It's cruel, and it's unfair, but it's how the industry infamously is.
Bojack wants to do what he thinks is the right thing, but he also wants to do what is best for Gina, his victim. And what she wants for what is best for her and her career contradicts what would bring justice to her and force BJ to face consequences.
Love this show.
bojack is one the best written bad characters ive ever seen
Great way of putting it
Paige Hennigar This show is a masterpiece from start to end. Just amazing
There's no bad or good guys
@@emanuelc.8579 There are good and bad guys. The world can easily be black and white. Good people can do bad things, and bad people can do good things, but that doesn't mean everyone is grey. It simply means that most people are bad, on a scale from horrible to just slightly bad. There are few, if any, good people.
bojack aint a bad guy, bojack is the depression each and every one of us has inside just other versions of it. bojack is maybe the best GOOD character there is, just the willingness to try and do something to be better even if you did a lot of bad things through life, is more than enough to say he is and always will be a good guy deep down
Can we just talk about how good an actor Gina is. She's able ti completely hide her trauma in the interview.
But, when she's recording her series she can't do it....
Geanpiere mathias alava It’s because of the PTSD
Of course, her career is on the line.
@@geanpierea5008 yes because that dude touched her neck and that triggered flashbacks. but here in this interview it‘s not triggering for her i guess
@Jeremy Kenneth nobody gives a shit
“You look good”
“Yea makeup covered the bruises”
Jesus Christ
Me trying to flirt with girls
Good for her.
Gina was underrated. I kinda liked her more than Wanda.
TheAwesomeDarkNinja tbh, gina’s story feels a lot more realistic and heart wrenching, like she worked so hard to get where she was and it was nearly ruined
Wanda so adorable though
Wanda was adorable and very funny but Gina had more character, she had more going on than Wanda did which made Wanda very much feel like a temporary character
@@jadelan9549 it was ruined.
So much more. I tolerated Wanda but I didn't like her.
0:33 "If there was any justice you'd be in jail"
I'm crying right now. I know how that feels and it hurts every day.
I'm so sorry.
@JoJo Reference wait why do you think that?
he could have been in jail if she let him confess
@@bluedragon8762 she spelled out pretty clearly why she didn’t want that though and it’s not hard to empathize with
@@bluedragon8762 Well she didn’t want to be known for the girl who got strangled by Bojack Horseman, she wanted to be known as an actress.
I just noticed Gina has her hair parted over her shoulders to cover her neck...
@@Gamma_B_Vods No, they mean the part of the neck where she was bruised.
It's really disillusioning to look through the comments seeing how many people feel more sorry for BoJack than they do Gina.
Linny Crocus OMG SAME I was so shocked by the comment section too because Bojack horseman is a show with heavy feminist messages and the writers have really been building up to this “don’t feel sorry for Bojack” shit and people STILL feel bad for him. This is so weird and shocking.
I feel bad for bojack yea but I do feel worse for Gina. Bojack is a lot like me while he struggles with being a good person and relationships I struggle with being competent. And I do *so* want to see bojack succeed because I wanna see myself succeed so when he fails that hurts all the most. But Gina she finally opened up and trusted someone and when they were in a high stooper almost killed her and he got away with it by her own choice in thoughts of her career and to add insult to injury it didn’t even work and the show got canceled so yea everything is worse now
The way I see it, is that Beatrice was a character which everyone hated, until season 4, when gave her a backstory. It doesn't justify what she was like to Bojack but for many, it seems to have helped them understand her and feel sympathetic for her. I see the same thing happening for Bojack, here. We've seen just how much shit, he's been through and it's tough to just turn on him and proclaim that he is pure evil or something. Especially considering his current drug problem and much much more.
I think one of the messages of season 5, is that we shouldn't be so judgemental of others who have a checkered past because that is how people are. Diane and Bojack fighting after the Philbert party speaks volumes to that. Each has made massive "oopsies", to say the least but roasts eachother for them.
I just find it tough, if not slightly hypocritical towards the writers, to make us try and sympathise with Beatrice (which was the whole point of her backstory, really) and to then want us to shake our heads at Bojack for being shitty, despite an arguably comparable upbringing.
@@Bookauru They don't want us to approve of Bojack's actions, but I'm pretty sure they do want us to feel sorry for him and they've wanted us to feel that for the whole show. Why else show us how awful his childhood is or keep emphasizing his self-loathing?
@@pickyphysicsstudent201 What makes you think the writers don't want us to sympathize with Bojack? Also you can sympathize with someone - as in pity them - and still also shake your heads at then for being shitty. Heck, it's even possible to feel sorry for a character while hating them.
This scene was always one of the most painful to watch in the series. I physically cringe every time Gina does the fake joking strangle to Bojack. It just makes you feel a different type of way. Unsettled and uncomfortable.
On one hand, we get to see how truly gifted of an actor Gina is. On the other hand, it’s fucking depressing to see the extents she’s forced to go to in order to protect her career. While Bojack, the actual aggressor, is still protected from the consequences of his own actions.
At least he ends up going to prison anyway, even if for unrelated charges
@@xAlphaBxtch and very nearly dies from drowning, and while he was unconscious, is as close to strangling as it can get on his end
He wanted to come clean.
@@miraann3997 And I give him credit for it. But there are so many ways the industry keeps women from speaking out. Bojack's created a problem much bigger than anything he can fix
The series end was heartening. It looks like Kelsey Jannings manages to get Gina to star in her feminist superhero movie, based on a one-off background sight gag. Given that it looked like Gina's trauma was going to be an obstacle to her working, it seems like it took somebody like Jannings to understand why Gina had these issues on set, and be willing to work around them.
Gina feeling the need to downplay what happened to her for the sake of her career is heartbreaking, and seeing her panic during that dance scene too... she deserves the world and more.
this scene hurts SO much more when you watch season six and see how badly this affects her life, and that staying quiet actually hurts her career in the long run. her desperation to just get over it is relatable to so many victims out there who just want to carry on with their lives.
no she ends up as a star in a superhero show.
@@nonuvurbeeznus795Because....Gina probably talked to Bojack's ex director. The second interview probably helped to do 2 + 2
You gotta give props to the voice actor for Gina, you can hear the pain and anger in her voice
Same actress plays Rosa Diaz on Brooklyn 99
And she’s since gone on to voice Mirabel in ENCANTO, so she’s doing pretty well for herself!
@@heymistercarter.Damn, I never expected BoJack Horseman to have anything in common with Encanto. Now that I think on it though, I guess there’s more than that. Both are animated, deal with generational trauma, have a main side character shunned by their family.
Bojack has a lot in common with a lot of Hollywood and Broadway because of the vast array of voice actors.
This show really works hard to confirm my belief that the entertainment industry is a cesspool.
"I have to cover up that I was assaulted by my drugged up co-star to further my career in this industry" is pretty messed up.
And if you think about it, Gina is going down a similar road that Bojack did: Sacrificing humanity for career and fame, which only creates issues and sorrows down the road.
It's like an endless cycle.
Don't stop dancing baby don't stop spinning!
I think this topic goes beyond the entertainment industry, it applies anywhere.
@Q it's a jab at Hollywood and an example of why victims often stay quiet in other circumstances. But it's definitely true that this specific problem gets amplified when you are in the entertainment industry and could risk having the entire public eye on your abuse
I don’t think she’s “sacrificing her humanity” more trying to move on with her life and quietly deal with her trauma on her own. She’s smart, she’ll get therapy. She just doesn’t want to be defined by her abuse.
Stephanie Beatriz is an amazing actress. Have you noticed that Gina is struggling to speak due to being previously strangled by BoJack…mad voice acting skills.
Omg I never noticed it was Stephanie!!! Rose?! Vaggie?!?
This reminds me so much of when Melissa Benoist was abused and then went on Jimmy Fallon joking and lying about how her eye was injured.
I'm so grateful I watched a show like Bojack Horseman. I never would have even *imagined* this kind of point of view from abuse victims. This added a new level of potential context for me that probably should have been more obvious, but at least I learned somehow...
The funny thing is, earlier in the series, Bojack made a huge deal about not choking women. Like specifically saying it’s wrong to do the action of choking, (not hitting, slapping, shoving, or grabbing, you know, domestic abuse situations that are probably much more common than choking) specifically against women, yet he does this exact things himself. I’d really like to think this is intentional but I’m not too sure since Bojack’s statement was about choking, and the show describes the Gina situation as “strangling”. I know the two words are synonyms, but it makes this series of events feel coincidental instead of intentional.
It's clearly intentional.
The show foreshadowed Sarah Lynn’s death in like the 2nd or 3rd episode of the series, it was most likely intentional
It was very much so intentional. Similar to how in season 2’s episode “Hank after dark” Diane goes after Hank Hippolpopalus for sexual misconduct and BoJack supports her in doing so - but later in the season the incident with Penny happens. Early in season three BoJack condemned Sarah Lynn for only going sober to get a great high later on - and the he’s the one who breaks her sobriety by the end of the season.
The penultimate episodes tend to go against something BoJack previously stood for in the season. The show is amazing at subversion.
its just bad writing mmkay?
Remember Bojack, being a horse, is about 1,234 pounds heavier. And he was over her when he was choking her. So he not only choked her, he was crushing her. It's amazing Gina was still able to talk if he hadn't crushed her windpipe already.
I'm just gonna pretend that Bojack is the size of a normal human male, because if he really were the size and strength of a horse, Gina would've been killed in 2 seconds tops.
bojack is only a horse when the writers want him to be. its arbitrary and has no bearing on the impact of this scene.
@@missingsig okay the let’s pretend he’s a 1,234 pound human over a 190 pound woman’s windpipe.
There are like anthropomorphic whales in this show. It's assumed they're all human proportioned
@@HeronSight I’m pretty sure they’d be heavier than a human too.
Remember when he got this reaction from apologizing to Herb Kazzaz in the first season? Now a similar thing happens here, and he goes to rehab afterward. It took 5 seasons before he was ready to face reality; that's made exceptionally clear with the past few episodes, with their themes of fantasy and reality blurring together.
I think there's a noticeable difference since then however. He apologised to Herb because he expected forgiveness, a self serving vindication, when he didn't get it things turned nastier. By the time of say Season Four he has learned not to demand forgiveness, as seen with Todd, where his humility does turn things around (though being Todd, who isn't exactly known for grudges, that's a smaller stepping stone). Here he doesn't expect forgiveness at all, he just wants to do the right thing and accept the consequences.
yeah yeah yeah the showrunners saw the end was nigh and needed to tie things off.
“I don’t want you to be the most noteworthy thing about my life” really hits different, especially since it’s about abuse.
This is so horrible, in real life people get so hyper focused over perpetrators, what lead them to do this? The inner workings of ______, The mind of a _______ etc etc. And just completely ignoring the victims or screwing them over. Gina knows that if she speaks out she will just be an interview piece in an "the inner workings of Bojack" article and that her career will circle around how much of a victim she was.
One of The many moments in this show that makes you question Hollywood
Hollywoo*
Quinton Tarantino choked someone on set and he is being praised on Reddit
nogboy6868 what!?
@@MemoryOfTheRose yeah uma thurman was treated horribly during the shooting of kill bill. in the scene where she's choked with a chain she was being chocked irl. i can't remember if it was also tarantino the one who spit on her face while choking her. and there's also of course the whole other deal about him making her drive a faulty car even after her objections, which she crashed into a tree, and caused her permanent damage. afterwards they had to act friendly during interviews to promote the movie. so a lot of parallels in here i guess
F**k Hollywood. It has brought nothing but sadness, misery and has AND STILL IS utterly destroying countless of peoples lives, children and adults alike.
The most terrifying thing about this scene is that this definitely happens a lot in Hollywood IRL
Seeing this again after seeing Gina in season 6 makes this so gut-wrenching.
Biscuits was just a whistleblower, and y'all crap on her for the actions of Bojack. She merely wanted to get the truth out because women don't deserve to be treated like shit.
finally!! i love biscuits
There’s no justifying what Bojack has done but she literally ambushed him in the second interview
This is just another reason why Bojack Horseman is such a good show, not just "another adult cartoon". It shows and talks about topics like this that other shows would be terrified of mentioning BECAUSE of that same reason of exposing the acting and stardom world. BH was made and written with everything in mind, fully knowing what they were going to show to the world, and it is so admirable.
You glad it’s not another family guy ripoff?
"BH was made and written with everything in mind, fully knowing what they were going to show to the world, and it is so admirable." they actually focus grouped this show, and noticed that throughout the trump years people needed one thing: recognition from hollywood writers rooms! one simple trick to keep neoliberalism alive and thriving
It’s amazingly fucked up how Bojack covering up HIS assault is him doing Gina a favor, something she herself is begging him for. So twisted and somehow feels so real.
Even though BoJack is a shitty person and it's a good thing that he finally got what he deserved in Season 6, I still can't help but respect him here in this clip. This is the one rare time that he doesn't just simply feel bad about what he did, and instead did genuinely want to come clean about what he did to Gina . You can tell that he knew she deserved justice and wanted to give it to her.
But alas, he also recognized that ousting himself would make Gina only famous because of him and his assault instead of because of her talents and skills. He didn't want her to be only known as another checked box on BoJack's laundry list of victims he hurt, so it left him in a tough spot.
What makes this whole thing even worse is that a few episodes earlier, Bojack had gone to Gina's house (looking for his drugs) after she had ended their relationship, and accidentally reignited it again. Gina had said how she had gone though literally dozens of co-stars, and none of them had tried to stay with her after the show ended . So, Bojack was the first relationship Gina truly cared about and was invested in. She cared about him in a way she hadn't with anyone else. And then she saw the true, real side of him. In an instant Bojack, even if not intentionally, betrayed and destroyed that trust and scarred her for life.
Seeing this, especially after season six... Jesus I want things to get better for her.
She did get an action movie
But has ptsd
I like the follow up to this in the final season where they show that, even though she refused to speak out about it, it still affected her career because she was traumatized by the event, was never able to get help for it, and can't explain her PTSD to other people.
Bojack wants to talk about it because he needs to feel less guilty
Not because he is actually sorry for Gina
Stephanie Beatriz is superb in this scene. The pain in her voice
All you gotta do is not choke women!
Jesus, that brilliant foreshadowing i didn't notice until now...
Fuck me sideways, u right
I forgot which episode that was
@@SoVidushi I believe it’s S5E4, BoJack the Feminist
@@helenaperez4343 oh thanks!
If they had been alone when IT happened, Gina would be dead and Bojack would still have forgotten what he did. Let sink in.
This is painful. It's so hard to see that he deeply regrets what he did and he wants to own it and finally be held responsible for a reason that isn't selfish or to his benefit. But the one time that opportunity comes to him, he can't take it. The end of season 5 is truly gutting.
I agree with Todd's point of view. You cant keep making shitty things and apologize as if that makes it okay. This was just one of many, even as fucked up as it was. Coming clean is just repeating the same thing, he needs to be better.
@@Mm-dn5gc Yeah but this isn't that simple. He was literally out of it when he did what he did. It's not like he made a conscious decision to act shitty, he is sick. Not saying he isn't responsible, just pointing out that those scenarios aren't comparible
@@ManoVeneza No, he just put his needs above hers, or anybody else's.
It doesn't matter what the circumstances were, the season itself says 'choking women is bad' and we laugh along at the idea that anyone could defend it. Well, Bojack choked a women, and that can never be taken back.
Mano Veneza he was out of it because of pills that he abused for a problem that he didn’t have. just because he feels remorse and guilty for what he did doesn’t make him less bad of a person. it just excludes him from being a psychopath.
bojack is an unreliable narrator in the sense that in spite of the shitty things he’s done, continuous flashbacks to his childhood and the strained relationship with his mother make us feel pity for him, and make us even agree with him when he claims to be the true victim of his own wrongdoings. but the reality is that it’s just a shitty person rationalizing his own shitty behavior.
@@osmoticmonk trying to make sweeping statements about his character like that is arbitrary.
what led him to do those drugs though? nobody does things for no reason, yes he's done a lot of shitty things but it would just be a dick move to write a show about a completely awful dude who ruins the relationships with everyone around him and you know, not a show about a horse confronting the hundreds of layers his mental illness has built.
I get the sense that this happens all the time in Hollywood.
This is really painful to see and how real it is.
The epitome of an example of this would be Rihanna, her assault was made public in 2009. She’s an award winning singer with outstanding talent and yet years later Chris Brown is still one of the most notable things people know about her.
Gina didn’t want to be defined by her assault.
"Meet me in my boudoir, make my body say 'Ah! Ah! Ah!'"
Chris Brown: okay
@@SaltpeterTaffy That album came out after the abuse. It was a statement. You can still enjoy sex, even S&M, and have it not be abuse.
@@halfpintrr Of course it came out _after_ the abuse. Personally, I don't buy that Rihanna was making a statement about a kink she possesses. To borrow an opinion from Todd in the Shadows, the lyrics read like a bumper sticker. The song sounds more like she's saying "Uhh, yeah, I totally AM into bondage! Sure do like that bondage stuff! Yeah..."
I mean, none of this is relevant to the joke I made, anyway. Thanks for performing a humorectomy on it. :|
@@SaltpeterTaffy I get it, but I suppose I don’t find abuse jokes funny. Different strokes I guess.
@@halfpintrr I do like my spice extra spicy.
2:08
Awkwardness level: Gina & Bojack
This fact just blows my mind...
There was no acting during the choking scene, but they were acting during the real interview.
I can't get over how much they blurred the line between what's real and what isn't.
With Gina it's very straightforward what's happening here but with Bojack I love how there are many layers to what he's doing. Did he want to confess to take responsibility or out of guilt? Did he go along with Gina because she thinks that's the right thing to do or because it's an excuse to dodge responsibility? I imagine that if Gina is more successful she would be more comfortable speaking out which is how I thought what would happen but seeing as the trauma is actually impacting her success she might just actual speak out about it or maybe Bojack will be the one to speak out about it despite going against Gina's wishes when he sees the trauma he caused.
Gina's story is so tragic to be honest and highlights that we often shame the person who was abused or assaulted. Both genders suffer from this. When Men gets abused or assaulted, they are deemed to weak or not manly enough and wouldn't happen if they were just manly. For women, people often say she was asking for it, because of how she dressed or worse, just call them an attention seeker.
True and i glad you pointing this out
no but seriously, if you get assaulted by a woman you're either daniel radcliffe or a fucking pussy tall as a bottlecap.
Facts? This is the gospel truth!
Yeah, it's all not right.
It’s incredible how much truth this show has
It's fucked up for victims to come up about their abuse publicly bc 100% ppl will use that shit for clout and make you relive everything over and over and over again.
Gina's character is so sad on the series on hindsight, im glad that she got to see Bojack in jail, it may have not solved his problems, but is a start for her and i wish they would had added a scene when she comes forward to what she went through with him, what hurts the most is that we never get to see her overcome the trauma ether, her last scene is her hitting her head because his new co-star grabbed her neck slightly, and she end up looking like the asshole diva because she cant talk or explain why she is so upset, she really deserved better
In the finale, there's a quick scene where's she's on the billboard of an upcoming superhero movie (the one Kelsey Jannings was directing and had considered Gina for), so things were looking up for her.
Him wanting to confess shows that BoJack isn't really an evil person. He's a bad person, certainly, and it shows that you can still be bad without being evil.
The fear of speaking up and being treated like Amber Heard
Ay I knew someone was gonna bring that up.
She was actually an abuser though, not the best example.
God, I hope hollyhock didn't get rid of gina birth control, because that makes this scene so much more awkward and weird.
Oh crap, I have a feeling this might come up next season D:
I’ve been seeing this theory floating around
This episode takes place months after the Hollyhock episode, she would have shown signs of pregnancy by now.
Plus if the pills were that important Gina would just get new ones
@@sketchyjulia well there's that to, but you never know when it comes to bojack, when things can get sad and depressing they always do.
@Tia Bear all it takes is 1 cell finding the egg, and her not paying attention because she isn't sleeping with anyone.
I have a feeling Gina wouldn't hesitate to get an abortion if that were the case
Gina not hesitating to go for that kiss, despite everything, is the manliest part of the interview. It's a display of so much determination that even Bojack shrivels in its wake. The absolute balls on the woman.
Wow… Gina really is a good actress
I like biscuit's character development. Went from enabling Bojack to being the one to call him out on TV
It’s not really development, it more so depicts how some people (especially people that work in media) are completely willing to turn on you if doing so gets them more positive attention.
@@beyondviolet I think that Biscuit genuinely felt disgusted by what they learned about Bojack, It was a win win situation for them. Ruining the career of someone who hurt women and boosting ratings at the same time.
@@pufffpup Personally I think Biscuits' actions are mercenary. She was equally willing to go puff piece or exposé the entire time. It took Paige's urging to get her to switch, it wasn't some change of heart. Paige herself is more force of nature than force for good. Her motivation for exposing Bojack is the thrill of the chase.
Biscuit knowingly paints over the sins of famous people for relevancy and access. She only switches gear when she realizes doing so won't be financially profitable for much longer. Paige literally spells this out for her and the audience before Bojack's second interview. That's business acumen, not character development, because her moral compass has not shifted.
@faded9581 as much as I love how Biscuits went right after Bojack, she should've done so from the start rather than feel pressured from a woman who wanted to profit off from the scandals Bojack caused. It cheapened what Gina, Penny and Sarah Lynn suffered through by not going for the head straight away. Paige didn't really care for the victims, she just wanted to profit off from them.
Lots of Bojack apologists timidly tossing out their disapproving replies in the comments lol
God it’s so awful. You can’t really side with Gina here, but you ESPECIALLY don’t want to side with Bojack, either. But at the same time, you can’t really blame Gina for wanting to silence this whole thing, even thought the right thing to do would be to go to the police. She knows that’s the right thing to do, but it would cost her her credibility and career. Honestly, I don’t know what I would do in that position. If it meant being truthful or keeping my hard-earned career, it’s a tough choice. I can only sit here and imagine the hundreds of actors/actresses going through this exact bullshit. People who keep quiet for the sake of keeping their careers and not wanting to anger their abusers. It must be difficult and terrifying.
Why can't you side with Gina?
Adam Davis Because she’s ultimately not doing the right thing, either. She acknowledges as much, too. I mean, I UNDERSTAND why she’s not being upfront, but it still isn’t the way to go. By keeping quiet, she’s only perpetuating this endless cycle of abuse in the movie industry and not calling out assholes like Bojack for taking advantage of others. I know Bojack didn’t mean to do it either, he was under the influence, but it was still 100% his fault and he SHOULD have been held accountable. But instead, he ended up scott free and Gina helped make sure of that. Again, I understand it’s a complex situation, and I know that Gina was just afraid. But it still wasn’t right.
@@gothicMCRgirl That makes sense. Initially I thought you meant you couldn't side with her in being angry with Bojack. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
It's a good commentary on victim culture. It seems to be the stylish thing now to be a victim. But real victims, true victims like Gina, abhor the idea of making their story public because there is a stigma that comes with it. You can dress it up as much as you want, say they're survivors or fighters, but at the end of the day, they're just other terms for victim and Gina knows that's all people will see her as. She'd just be the girl that got strangled by Bojack Horseman, forever tied to the name of her attacker. So no, I don't blame her for not going public. If she did, she wouldn't be able to move on because everyone would bring it up.
You can definitely side with Gina though
Stephanie Beatriz was so good!
He genuinely wants to do the right thing, but she knows if he does, her career is over. There is NO good way out of this.
The way that so many people in this comment section are fully writing off a SA because the perpetrator was under the influence is insane but not at all surprising, just because he was under the influence doesn’t mean that he’s suddenly possessed, it just happens that he was on something when he decided to assault someone. These comments are very telling of peoples options on SA and the victims of said assault; when they happen to like or sympathize with the perpetrator.
It was assault not SA but yeah
You are asserting that Bojack being under the influence doesn't mean that he's suddenly possessed. Does that mean you think that women who are drunk can consent or is the cognitive dissonance too strong?
@@Choosafunga777I think they mean that he should still be held accountable for his bad actions
Honestly I really don't know how I feel about Bojack anymore; like, we know the character is good but when it comes down to it, he strangled his costar while high on pills. That is fucked up and if it was a real celebrity who did something like that, I doubt I'd feel much sympathy for the guy. However, in terms of the shows quality, I love this moral ambiguity in it all.
*To be fair it's easier to hear about a person and judge them from the sidelines, the reason we can still empathize with Bojack is simply that were with him almost the entirety of his trip through the shit he does, we're not getting small glimpses of him from a newspaper article, we're getting the entire story.*
Maybe that's part of why a lot of characters are animals? So we can feel some sympathy we otherwise wouldn't get.
''Love him as a character, hate him as a person''
@@jtripper117 nope but glad to hear from a 15 year old who just learned how to flex his intelligence on a youtube comment.
@@jtripper117 What's your problem man lmao, people are allowed to enjoy the morality questioning the show intentionally puts them through
A “Gina” with Rosa Diaz’s voice. This is hella trippy.
Lmaoo ikr it took me a while to get used to it
I feel so sorry for Gina "I don't want you to be the most important thing that's ever happened to me"is so real and so depressing and unfair I can't believe I feel bad for bojack too because he's such a horrible person
You can hear the angst in Gina’s voice.
I love Bojack but I hate him but I love him but I love hating him but I hate loving him.
At the end of it all, Bojack is really alone. Save for Diane, but, truthfully, I want Bojack to finally change for the better and start over, keeping everything he has learned.
This was so hard to watch. You can see just how unbearable this was for Bojack, and for once he seemed to truly feel 100% responsible for his actions. No legal age of consent justification, or deep rooted result of his upbringing, nothing he would usually throw out to try to convince himself he wasn't solely responsible. He wants to own it. Partly, I think it's because he's in so much pain and self loathing, that he doesn't care what the hell kind of blowback he gets. But also, I believe he wants to finally be held accountable for his shitty actions, which might force him to actually change. Weirdly enough, this does become the incident that ultimately leads him to finally take a legitimate step towards changing (rehab). Besides, I knew he wouldn't be with Gina by the end. The only person I can ever see him being with is Diane. Knowing these creators, that will never happen. But, a huge part of me wants both of them to leave Hollywoo behind together and get the happy ending they've always wanted. They're the only person that understands the other, and she's the reason he finally was able to go to rehab. Alas, I'm 99% sure that rehab is going to end in tragedy and anguish like it always seems to, but I feel that this suffering needs to end before this show overdoes it.
Bojack and Diane being together would be good for Bojack, and bad for Diane. Diane is no saint, but she has enough of a self-preservation instinct to see this clearly, even if she cares for him. It's kindof why I think Ana Spanakopita was the best and most overlooked character. Sure, she's a bit cold. But Spanakopita has the clearest head out of all of them and saw Bojack for exactly what he is a mile away.
@@EV-wp1fj I think that Bojack would have to provably change before I would agree with Diane making that decision. She'd be a masochist to date him as he has been, and after what she has gone through. I know that them getting together would be the cliche ending, but after eveything they have both experienced, it would be mighty satisfying if the show's creators wanted to finally give us an escape from the saddness and mancholy that this show (and its characters) consists so much of. I highly doubt they will end it like that though. They're not afraid to take risks to make their show a more mature and realistic depiction of, well, adult life (as well as Hollywood culture and deep rooted depressive behavior) for lack of a better term.
I feel like the whole point of Diane’s character arc is that she doesn’t need to be in a relationship to be happy.
I really hope not. Diane and Bojack are toxic for each other, they are both the type who make mistake once and in their self loathing do it again.
Diane and BoJack are gonna sleep together at one point. I’m calling it
I really hate how the one time Bojack actually shows interest in making himself responsible for his actions, risking to throw away everything he has, he is implored by his victim not to do it. God I love this show. I'm thankful still that he did eventually took responsibility for his actions by the other interview, even if it wasn't on his terms.
This is such a great scene. You totally feel for Gina, she's 100% in the right, he should be in jail, and she can't speak up about it. You also feel for Bojack, he's a total piece of shit but he feels genuinely remorseful and will have to carry that guilt with him until his dying day.
Yeah, I mean he's been truly awful, but he had no idea what he was doing in that moment. Season 1 vs Bojack here are very different people.
Nah, Bojack doesn't deserve sympathy here. He SHOULD feel bad, and no one should feel bad for him feeling bad.
Poor Gina
I really loved her I feel terrible
This entire interview feels like returning to public after crying. You've finally managed to get your stop your eyes from being so red, but you could cry at any moment if someone points out something being off.
It hurts so much. I find this scene devastating
I’m sure the new BoJack now would want us to feel bad for his victims more than him
Well... He is in prison now.
Gina, have you tried strangling a horse? You'd need like fifteen strong hands and a tranquilizer, in this game the deck is stacked clearly against you
Bojack is like 1220 pounds. No way a normal human can strangle him.
I mean whales exist in the show. Would they have the same weight as the humans or bugs among them?
Gina is a great girl and I felt sorry for her
_I don't watch this but I love Gina's voice_
This is actually what happens to people who are victims of abuse in show business. They want to be known for what they've done themselves and not what's been done to them.
So if they are known for being the victims their lives go be much worse ?
@daniapfel2825 I don't know. I've never been apart of a situation like that. I've just heard other people talk about their experiences and why they stay silent.
@@hoztoventertainment5297 Oh okay
@@daniapfel2825when something as major as being choked by a celebrity caught on tape gets out there, it is inevitably the thing you will be remembered for the most. No one wants to be remembered as "that one victim who got choked by that famous actor" or "the girl who made those allegations about that famous guy". She'd never live that title down when her break into the industry was technically also due to BoJack's presence/aid. Other people need to know that Bojack isn't safe to be around, but Gina had her valid reasons for not wanting to come out with her own INCREDIBLY personal encounter.
It sucks because in the end, the show was ended so it didn't even matter
I was bowled over seeing this, it was so painful. Poor Gina...BoJack is horrible.
You can practically feel the awkwardness and the tension pouring out of Bojack and Gina
this scene broke me
"It's not what I want. It's what you want. You want hatred. I don't want to hate you. Of course I do, but I want you to disappear."
Oddly enough this was probably the most selfless thing bojack ever did.
Gina was the best girl Bojack had.
She wanted to be a star like Bojack, accepted the shitty life that comes with being such star, she was a no-bs person.
And still. Bojack managed to mess it up.
Bojack is evil. In the end everyone leaves him
Idk why but when she fake choked him I burst out laughing 😂
One of my favorite side characters - Biscuits Braxby.
She's secretly the hero(ine) of this series, BTW.
He wouldn't be in jail lol.
He would either be charged a fine for the pshycological damages caused to her or be forced to seek help with his trauma
Man this show is dark
I’m glad Gina got something of a happy ending
and now she’s a successful actress and his ass is in jail !!! we cheered !!!
A year later Biscuits would wreck Bojacks whole career
Actually, you got that wrong. Bojack accomplished that himself when he should've listened to Princess Carolyn instead of going for that second interview.
1.5 years later
The background looks like the world ended
Ok I know it’s very off-topic, but I thought the way Biscuits hopped into her chair was kinda cute lol
I like how Gina wants to be famous so bad just like bojack in the past
This scene was so... Obscure
Yup actors
Gina is like my older sister and looks like her,I grew up in domestic abusive home,I would do anything to protect my sister,I wished my dad wasn’t a control freak.
Actors acting about acting that wasn’t acting
Stephanie Beatrix was a brilliant choice