This is a game changer. I haven't bought anything by way of electronic drums since my uber expensive Simmons SDS7 back in the mid 80s, but this EAD-10 will be my next drum purchase. My plans are to blend this in with my acoustic drums and mics.
Yamaha Corporation of America how does this react in live situations ?? Does the sound from monitors, guitar amps etc will be picked up by the mic in the ead and send them through the main sound?
How does this cope on stage in a loud full band scenario with high stage volume? Would it be better to have the triggers connected, rather than rely on the stereo mic? I am guessing if you have a loud drum monitor or a loud bassist at your side then the mics would pick those up too and cause double/multiple triggers and feedback?
Couple of questions. 1.Any plans to make the app available on android? 2. Can i play along and record any tracka? Eg if someone sends me a drumless track?
TY Simon, you r videos are brilliant, the EAD10 is a work of art... I use it daily to teach at 3 different colleges and with my private students and in doing so barely scratch the surface,
Sweet - Just received mine and it's amazing! was playing around with it all afternoon and even used it to jam with a few friends. Hard to fully realize it's potential in my basement without sound isolating the drums themselves, but I can't wait to try it through the PA system at our next gig (small to medium sized bars/clubs should be fantastic). I have a small kit and it seemed to pick everything up beautifully. Was using the Sabian Sound Kit but this is much more convenient and much more capable in terms of sound effects. I've been considering trying it with my L80 practice cymbals and Silent Strokes, but then I'd have to get additional triggers to get the most out of it. Wondering where you guys get drumless versions of your favorite songs to practice to with the Rec'n'share app.
I heard about this from the Modern Drummer pod cast. Very creative engineering.! Problem in NZ is availability and pricing of Yamaha products is pretty poor as we have to get via the Australian distributor.
doesn't seem to get much cymbal volume when it records. I wouldn't use it as the only mic for recording, but this will make it way easier. you'd just need a couple overhead mics or a condenser sitting a few feet from the kit
It would be interesting if this concept could be mixed with the Zylia microphone, which acts like a one mic for the whole room and separates all instruments playing around it into standalone tracks for instant, easy multi-track drum recording!
Two questions ... 1) Before I upload a recorded video drum cover, where I used a click track while playing, I can pull the clicking sound out of the final audio, correct? 2) When recording a drum cover via Rec'N'Share, listening through my headphones, can I also route the sound to a PA (assuming via a 1/4 TRS to XLR cable) so someone else can hear the cover while I'm playing?
If you can save the video in your pictures on your iPhone, can you then use iMovie for example to edit the video or add say a teaching/ talking video onto it? So you have the playing video followed by an explanation video and you used iMovie to tie the 2 videos together?
How to connect for video and audio recording? I can't connect like this. Also i find in manual- no option get audio from EAD to Iphone. Please, can you give instructions to video, audio, using Iphone 6s plus? What exactly you use?
Great review. Thanks. Could you use the EAD in its own in a live situation and would it still deliver a great sound picking up all the kit and cymbals?
Great review!! But how you manage not to get the ride cymbal too loud? I tried that drumset configuration but the ride cymbal was too loud as ir was in position of tom 2, just like you hace it there…
I have 4 songs on iTunes that transferred to rec n' share but all of my other songs are on Spotify. Those did not transfer. Does it only work with iTunes?
HI! It seems cool, but ... Is it only for home/studio use or even live, with a band? Will it have feedback/larsen issues and problems with the environment loud noises of a stage? Or will it work properly even in that situation ?
I have my toms set up as one up one down. The placing of my rack tom and my ride cymbal would mean the mic might be covered by my ride. Would this screw up the sound? Would it matter if it was mounted off centre?
Can the mic and trigger be fed to a different engine such a DTX M12? Or just a regular mixer and be used as a general mic too as a replacement for overheads? Or does it have to be routed via the engine that comes with it?
I downloaded rec n share app, downloaded some songs from apple music and the app keeps telling me „This data cannot be selected” under each song. Any idea whats going on ? Dope video tho !
No, you can’t separate out the audio, but the EAD also sends midi data from the kick and whatever else you have triggers on. What I’ve done recently is trigger a VSTi library for the drums and mix it with the audio data from the EAD so you get the dynamics from the drums and cymbals and the character from the plug in. Best of both worlds and can sound great with careful tweaking. The other thing is that the balance from the EAD is very natural anyway as it closer to your ear position than conventional mics so it’s sounds very ‘real’ as a stereo signal.
This looks incredible, I want to use it on my next couple of tours. I will be playing in a large range of different rooms (big and small) and I am concerned that in smaller spaces that the microphone on the bass drum will pick up other instruments or SPD-SX samples from the onstage fold back speakers . I would love to be able to alter the sound of my kit depending on the song but I dont want to alter my guitarists tone or our samples in any way. I know he said it would be ok live but can this be guaranteed even in small settings with loud on stage fold back?
Do you have a major problem with bleed with conventional mics? If not then it shouldn’t be an issue. It doesn’t have to be an either/or situation. You can always use conventional miking and use the EAD as an Fx processor/bus for your kit at the same time. As with everything fx based, just be sensible and all should be fine.
Danny Finkelstein hey Simon...When will the app be available for Android...I have bought the product but can't use it because the app is not available for Android! Any answer other than "They are still working on it" would be great, thanks
Hi Simon, Tom from Icon Music here! I’ve stumbled across your vids before, I thought ‘this guy knows what he’s talking about’ now the penny has dropped! Haha. I’d sent you an email, but if you see this first, I’m really keen to figure out how to import samples. I can see you have done it! I’ve been into scene edit and selected a trigger, then went to assign from the wave files and they aren’t there (the usb is plugged in). Is there a size/length limit? They are in the root directory of the device. Do I need to format it first or anything??
What about my phone which is a Galaxy Note 20 and has no ⅛ input phones jack? Needs Bluetooth. I can't use this, and I'm not gonna throw away my $1,000+ new phone...I'll have this for years.
Looking to get one! I have the app, the only thing I’ve noticed is that it doesn’t allow you to play all songs from iTunes, is there a reason for this Yamaha?
Hi, unfortunately not at the moment (although this may change with future updates). Currently it just allows you to record the audio from the EAD module, combining it with video from the phone. The app is really handy to have, even without owning an EAD, as it allows you to add click tracks to any song on your phone as well as adjusting speed and looping. Really great for practicing, definitely worth a download...on the app store under Rec 'N' Share. Thanks!
Jesus Palacios I did ask that question! You will probably get phasing issues using two ead-10s at the same time. However if using two bass drums you can use the ead-10 on one and add a trigger to the second bass drum to record both kicks.
Great review. My question is also along the idea of replacing microphones. In an isolated drum cage (e.g. ClearSonic type full enclosure) situation (house of worship, etc.), could this be your only drum source or perhaps the EAD plus one central overhead condenser mic? Sounds a lot simpler to mix!
David Leigh, you wouldn't even need an isolation cage to be honest! All the performance audio you hear from this video is just the EAD (other than the camera audio in the comparison clips!) There's no extra audio blended in and the room this was shot in is the storage room of our warehouse (quite large and with a high ceiling) simon literally gave us two jack leads from the module for the audio! He also assured me that with a live band you don't get much crosstalk from the other instruments because of the close mic technique and DSP in the module. Depending on the size of your kit tho (if it's a large setup) I think an overhead mic would give you a little more control over the cymbals in the mix should you needed to add more. The module has a built in trigger for the bass drum which really gives it a lot of punch as well.
Actually, I'm looking at the isolation cage from the other perspective - we need it to keep the live drum sound out of the rest of the room. We don't have it yet but we're going to do it and when we do, we need to cross the bridge of micing the drums. My question is, whether we could use the EAD INSTEAD of micing the drums and would the isolation cage have any kind of negative effect for the EAD? The kit is slightly above average with 3 ride toms and a floor tom, 2 crashes, a splash, a ride and hi-hat. I found the cymbals a bit missing in the video, which is why I asked about an extra overhead. My thought is that with decent mics for a set this size + all the mixing necessary, that the EAD might come in similar in price range, make a simpler mix AND then give you all the extra possibilities for sounds/styles. Am I barking up the wrong tree or not?
The EAD10 works with noise reduced cymbals/heads, but you will need an audio signal for the microphone to pick up. If you use noiseless heads, you will can add e.g DT50S triggers for snare and toms. Bass Drum triger is included in the censor unit. All the best, Yamaha Drums
Looks interesting.."all the vids I've seen on this it's all groove beats...how does it sound with fast beats,and loud ride cymbals,China boys,or.how about muted cymbals,and rubber drum mutes on the drums
It depends on what you're using it for. Live in a large venue compared to a 10 channel desk mix of course it won't sound as good. However, at practice/teaching/small gigs you get the opportunity to have a decent quality Audio recording with minimal setup/gear and the ability to make live drum recordings using your phone!
Unless ya had a trigger for everything, if you used it live, it would be one horrible sounding kit. This was about the best vid i made with Rec n share ruclips.net/video/XwfPJv5X3mo/видео.html. The problemS. The click doesn't work over 90% of the time for Rec. If you want to use anything other than a 5 piece kit, you won't hear other drums. If using big drums, forgetaboutit! It did get me playing again after spine surgery, and got me learning DAW, so it's worth the investment if you're not computer savvy. Tip, mount the trigger at 11 o'clock
An array of 2 mics is still an array. It's not technically wrong. I guess there should be at least 3 mics in there, one for the kick trigger and 2 for the stereo micing of the rest of the kit. Depends if you want to call the kick trigger a mic or not.
Over hyped and over priced. Extremely disappointing performance and, luckily, the retailer it was purchased from as agreed to allow me to return it after a frustrating week in my practice room with various sized kits, heads etc. It looks, feels and sounds like a toy. And that from a Yamaha fan.
The best review of EAD I have seen. Love the review. Thank you!
That's a really interesting concept!
you beat me to it, Justin lol
You have to make a video about this lml
So does this take the place of mics and and interface/program?
Wondered if you saw this Justin
This is a game changer. I haven't bought anything by way of electronic drums since my uber expensive Simmons SDS7 back in the mid 80s, but this EAD-10 will be my next drum purchase. My plans are to blend this in with my acoustic drums and mics.
Thanks for the great review, guys. If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to us!
its price.
Yamaha Corporation of America how does this react in live situations ?? Does the sound from monitors, guitar amps etc will be picked up by the mic in the ead and send them through the main sound?
How does this cope on stage in a loud full band scenario with high stage volume?
Would it be better to have the triggers connected, rather than rely on the stereo mic? I am guessing if you have a loud drum monitor or a loud bassist at your side then the mics would pick those up too and cause double/multiple triggers and feedback?
Can you change the effects after recording a drum track?
Couple of questions.
1.Any plans to make the app available on android?
2. Can i play along and record any tracka? Eg if someone sends me a drumless track?
TY Simon, you r videos are brilliant, the EAD10 is a work of art... I use it daily to teach at 3 different colleges and with my private students and in doing so barely scratch the surface,
Sweet - Just received mine and it's amazing! was playing around with it all afternoon and even used it to jam with a few friends. Hard to fully realize it's potential in my basement without sound isolating the drums themselves, but I can't wait to try it through the PA system at our next gig (small to medium sized bars/clubs should be fantastic). I have a small kit and it seemed to pick everything up beautifully. Was using the Sabian Sound Kit but this is much more convenient and much more capable in terms of sound effects. I've been considering trying it with my L80 practice cymbals and Silent Strokes, but then I'd have to get additional triggers to get the most out of it. Wondering where you guys get drumless versions of your favorite songs to practice to with the Rec'n'share app.
I am really considering buying this thing...
I heard about this from the Modern Drummer pod cast. Very creative engineering.! Problem in NZ is availability and pricing of Yamaha products is pretty poor as we have to get via the Australian distributor.
Got one! I only scratch the surface! And i'm a Roland TD20K user! Imagine when you use both together!!!
🖖🏻🇫🇷😎🇫🇷😎🇫🇷🖖🏻
doesn't seem to get much cymbal volume when it records. I wouldn't use it as the only mic for recording, but this will make it way easier. you'd just need a couple overhead mics or a condenser sitting a few feet from the kit
It would be interesting if this concept could be mixed with the Zylia microphone, which acts like a one mic for the whole room and separates all instruments playing around it into standalone tracks for instant, easy multi-track drum recording!
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OH WOW.
Hi there, I will want to use mine on my acoustic kit with standard heads, but can I also use it on mesh heads if I use the Yamaha triggers?
Two questions ... 1) Before I upload a recorded video drum cover, where I used a click track while playing, I can pull the clicking sound out of the final audio, correct? 2) When recording a drum cover via Rec'N'Share, listening through my headphones, can I also route the sound to a PA (assuming via a 1/4 TRS to XLR cable) so someone else can hear the cover while I'm playing?
Yes can connect to mixer and pa
@@MiNiMeMiniatureDrumCovers thanks!
If you can save the video in your pictures on your iPhone, can you then use iMovie for example to edit the video or add say a teaching/ talking video onto it? So you have the playing video followed by an explanation video and you used iMovie to tie the 2 videos together?
How to connect for video and audio recording? I can't connect like this. Also i find in manual- no option get audio from EAD to Iphone. Please, can you give instructions to video, audio, using Iphone 6s plus? What exactly you use?
Great review. Thanks. Could you use the EAD in its own in a live situation and would it still deliver a great sound picking up all the kit and cymbals?
Can the app be used with Google Play? Or just iTunes?
Great review!! But how you manage not to get the ride cymbal too loud? I tried that drumset configuration but the ride cymbal was too loud as ir was in position of tom 2, just like you hace it there…
Hi I always mic my kick drum , can I use this well?
Do you think things would change with a larger kit-say 5-6 piece kit? Would the sensor be able to read all of the drums well enough?
I have it to play live
Wonder how this works with a drummer who sings ?
I wanted to ask the same question...Are you singing too? Greetings from Poland
Yamaha should get Josh Dion to demo that!
Very cool concept!!!
I have 4 songs on iTunes that transferred to rec n' share but all of my other songs are on Spotify. Those did not transfer. Does it only work with iTunes?
HI! It seems cool, but ... Is it only for home/studio use or even live, with a band? Will it have feedback/larsen issues and problems with the environment loud noises of a stage? Or will it work properly even in that situation ?
I have my toms set up as one up one down. The placing of my rack tom and my ride cymbal would mean the mic might be covered by my ride. Would this screw up the sound? Would it matter if it was mounted off centre?
Very cool, but wouldn't I run into feedback issues when running through a PA?
amazing ... but ..you dont explain why use a "trigger" in the snare ... and how?
Can the mic and trigger be fed to a different engine such a DTX M12? Or just a regular mixer and be used as a general mic too as a replacement for overheads? Or does it have to be routed via the engine that comes with it?
Really impressive!
I downloaded rec n share app, downloaded some songs from apple music and the app keeps telling me „This data cannot be selected” under each song. Any idea whats going on ? Dope video tho !
Would you need to add a wood hoop to a Manu Katche Drum kit? The bass drum has a tom hoop.
In a live application do the mics pick up a lot of stage volume bleed?
No not really at all..
How bout live sessions? If other sound captured in to that mic sensors?
great review! thanks! how did you switch to room mic only in the middle of the iphone video?
Question
Since it's not being individually miced, once in a DAW can you mix individual drums and cymbals??
No, you can’t separate out the audio, but the EAD also sends midi data from the kick and whatever else you have triggers on. What I’ve done recently is trigger a VSTi library for the drums and mix it with the audio data from the EAD so you get the dynamics from the drums and cymbals and the character from the plug in. Best of both worlds and can sound great with careful tweaking. The other thing is that the balance from the EAD is very natural anyway as it closer to your ear position than conventional mics so it’s sounds very ‘real’ as a stereo signal.
cool stuff!!
Some excellent questions below. Yamaha??
This looks incredible, I want to use it on my next couple of tours. I will be playing in a large range of different rooms (big and small) and I am concerned that in smaller spaces that the microphone on the bass drum will pick up other instruments or SPD-SX samples from the onstage fold back speakers . I would love to be able to alter the sound of my kit depending on the song but I dont want to alter my guitarists tone or our samples in any way. I know he said it would be ok live but can this be guaranteed even in small settings with loud on stage fold back?
Do you have a major problem with bleed with conventional mics? If not then it shouldn’t be an issue. It doesn’t have to be an either/or situation. You can always use conventional miking and use the EAD as an Fx processor/bus for your kit at the same time. As with everything fx based, just be sensible and all should be fine.
simon edgoose great response, thanks man. I can't wait till it gets to Australia!
Danny Finkelstein hey Simon...When will the app be available for Android...I have bought the product but can't use it because the app is not available for Android! Any answer other than "They are still working on it" would be great, thanks
That's incredible, can one sensor pick up 2 kick drums or do you need a second sensor?
Is it possible to load tracks /w drums on them into the app?
Does it work with larger drumsets. 3 toms, one standtom and about 10 cymbals?
Well explained, nice one
Will the mic pick up sound from other instruments for a live band practice setting?
great review guys
Thank you!
Tried loading RTF’s Captain Señor Mouse into this app to see how well the tempo detection works. Epic fail! lol!!
Does the sound of the click come out in the final recording? cause that's something no one wants I guess
Hi Simon, Tom from Icon Music here! I’ve stumbled across your vids before, I thought ‘this guy knows what he’s talking about’ now the penny has dropped! Haha. I’d sent you an email, but if you see this first, I’m really keen to figure out how to import samples. I can see you have done it! I’ve been into scene edit and selected a trigger, then went to assign from the wave files and they aren’t there (the usb is plugged in). Is there a size/length limit? They are in the root directory of the device. Do I need to format it first or anything??
What about my phone which is a Galaxy Note 20 and has no ⅛ input phones jack? Needs Bluetooth. I can't use this, and I'm not gonna throw away my $1,000+ new phone...I'll have this for years.
Looking to get one! I have the app, the only thing I’ve noticed is that it doesn’t allow you to play all songs from iTunes, is there a reason for this Yamaha?
Had same issue - appears that you can only use this with songs you own, not through Apple Music subscription service.
Can you use the app to control everything on the module or just some of the features?
Hi, unfortunately not at the moment (although this may change with future updates). Currently it just allows you to record the audio from the EAD module, combining it with video from the phone. The app is really handy to have, even without owning an EAD, as it allows you to add click tracks to any song on your phone as well as adjusting speed and looping. Really great for practicing, definitely worth a download...on the app store under Rec 'N' Share. Thanks!
What about a dream theater like drum set? what about a live gig?
Jesus Palacios I did ask that question! You will probably get phasing issues using two ead-10s at the same time. However if using two bass drums you can use the ead-10 on one and add a trigger to the second bass drum to record both kicks.
correct mojudas. There could be phasing issues with 2 EAD10´s. But adding DT50K to the 2nd Bass Drum is possible. Thanks, Yamaha Drums
any clips of someone playing a twin pedal in 16th notes?
Great review. My question is also along the idea of replacing microphones. In an isolated drum cage (e.g. ClearSonic type full enclosure) situation (house of worship, etc.), could this be your only drum source or perhaps the EAD plus one central overhead condenser mic? Sounds a lot simpler to mix!
David Leigh, you wouldn't even need an isolation cage to be honest! All the performance audio you hear from this video is just the EAD (other than the camera audio in the comparison clips!) There's no extra audio blended in and the room this was shot in is the storage room of our warehouse (quite large and with a high ceiling) simon literally gave us two jack leads from the module for the audio! He also assured me that with a live band you don't get much crosstalk from the other instruments because of the close mic technique and DSP in the module. Depending on the size of your kit tho (if it's a large setup) I think an overhead mic would give you a little more control over the cymbals in the mix should you needed to add more. The module has a built in trigger for the bass drum which really gives it a lot of punch as well.
Actually, I'm looking at the isolation cage from the other perspective - we need it to keep the live drum sound out of the rest of the room. We don't have it yet but we're going to do it and when we do, we need to cross the bridge of micing the drums. My question is, whether we could use the EAD INSTEAD of micing the drums and would the isolation cage have any kind of negative effect for the EAD? The kit is slightly above average with 3 ride toms and a floor tom, 2 crashes, a splash, a ride and hi-hat. I found the cymbals a bit missing in the video, which is why I asked about an extra overhead. My thought is that with decent mics for a set this size + all the mixing necessary, that the EAD might come in similar in price range, make a simpler mix AND then give you all the extra possibilities for sounds/styles. Am I barking up the wrong tree or not?
Were you brave enough to attempt this yet David? I'd love to know the result.
Akil Edwards nope - not yet. It's still a bit of cash to lay out and we don't quite NEED it yet.
I know this was a while ago. But please don't do that.
Can you use it with mesh heads to practice/play quietly?
Shaun Hoover great question... yamaha pls answer this . Thanks!
The EAD10 works with noise reduced cymbals/heads, but you will need an audio signal for the microphone to pick up. If you use noiseless heads, you will can add e.g DT50S triggers for snare and toms. Bass Drum triger is included in the censor unit. All the best, Yamaha Drums
Yamaha Drums (Official) thanks guys. So there are inserts to add on more triggers on the ead10? How many more specifically?
Besides the kick trigger there are inputs for an optional snare trigger + 2 additional stereo inputs.
Yamaha Drums (Official) thanks !
Looks interesting.."all the vids I've seen on this it's all groove beats...how does it sound with fast beats,and loud ride cymbals,China boys,or.how about muted cymbals,and rubber drum mutes on the drums
@Zaraduba thanks I bought this 2 yrs ago and rolled with it on my own.still no happy you can’t do heavy songs
El Estepario Siberiano seems to manage, as a metal drummer with an EAD10. I don't know if he does his studio recordings with just this, though.
muy interesante!
Curious, how this sounds live?
I want one SO bad! I don't know about $500 big ones though. I can see $400. Still, freaking amazing! Ugh!
app appears to be iOS only and only newer ones at that... thanks yamaha for shutting out more than half the world!
But not for Android. Whyyyyy
So if i use this i don't need any mic anymore?? Can i use this for live?
It depends on what you're using it for. Live in a large venue compared to a 10 channel desk mix of course it won't sound as good. However, at practice/teaching/small gigs you get the opportunity to have a decent quality Audio recording with minimal setup/gear and the ability to make live drum recordings using your phone!
ok, how do you run it through my personal PA system, a powered 6 channel Beherenger powered amp and 2 speakers, thanks, MIke
owo need dis 1
Does the app work with android?
jokinla28 not yet apparently but it is in the works so shouldn't be too long.
Yes, we are working on an app for Android, which naturally takes a bit longer than IOS. We will keep you updated. All the best, Yamaha Drums
Not sure how apps *naturally* take longer on Android. App developer here.
The world’s most expensive iPhone stand
Unless ya had a trigger for everything, if you used it live, it would be one horrible sounding kit. This was about the best vid i made with Rec n share ruclips.net/video/XwfPJv5X3mo/видео.html. The problemS. The click doesn't work over 90% of the time for Rec. If you want to use anything other than a 5 piece kit, you won't hear other drums. If using big drums, forgetaboutit! It did get me playing again after spine surgery, and got me learning DAW, so it's worth the investment if you're not computer savvy. Tip, mount the trigger at 11 o'clock
Your video is private my dude
That beginning commercial add was such a load of crap you need to be careful who you let advertise
"array of microphones" "it's actually just a stereo pair but the DSP blah blah"
smh
An array of 2 mics is still an array. It's not technically wrong. I guess there should be at least 3 mics in there, one for the kick trigger and 2 for the stereo micing of the rest of the kit. Depends if you want to call the kick trigger a mic or not.
Over hyped and over priced. Extremely disappointing performance and, luckily, the retailer it was purchased from as agreed to allow me to return it after a frustrating week in my practice room with various sized kits, heads etc. It looks, feels and sounds like a toy. And that from a Yamaha fan.