My only regret is that we didn't walk the bit out even more, but we were worried about coming off as rude and/or disrespectful to a thinker we all truly respect.
Been listening since you had Matt and Chris on. Just wanna say these never miss and you guys deserve to be way better known. Also I want to apologise for making a dismissive rude comment on one of your eps months ago that you then actually apologetically replied to. That made me feel bad. You guys rule.
thanks--haha, which episode was it on? No worries--as we've said in the past the hierarchy of comments preference is: positive comment>negative comment>no feedback
@@RememberShuffle I think it was the Hipster one? You said something in the comments about UK chavs and some other completely unrelated subculture from the 00s like they were the same thing. I like to think I stopped you guys making an extremely r worded episode at some point. But yeah you guys are always super well informed and insightful and definately a cut above all the leftist twitter guys chapo runoff there is out there.
Masterpiece from pure podcasting talent. This got the most and strongest laughs out of me of any podcast episode I've ever listened to! Now I really wanna hear the forbidden Finkelstein riffs.
I believe a big factor in why Lucas has always tried to keep the original theatrical releases from seeing the light of day again was the fact that Marcia, his ex-wife, was one of the editors. Men will literally redo Star Wars instead of paying royalties and going to therapy. (?)
That's not even remotely true. Also, Marcia Luxas has mever onced "saved Star Wars in the edit." That has never ever happened ever. Literally the only people who think that are people who know less than nothing about movies or film production.
Nice may may, my dude. Men and therapy, am I right? DAE Marcia saved Star Wars in the edit? Rocket Jump University, a very real film school, told me so.
@@Personal_Chizo Marcia Lucas didn't "save Star Wars in the edit." You're repeating an easily debunked myth from a badly made RUclips video. Rocket Jump "University" clearly had no clue what they were talking about and don't cite a single source to back up any of their claims. Why do so many of the mosr ignorant people in the world repeat obvious lies about Star Wars? What about this franchise makes people like you want to lie about it so much?
@@Personal_Chizo Just the sheer arrogance and ignorance of people like you is what drives me up the walls the most. You just assert total bs with zero basis in reality and then give snarky, condescending responses and fake concern about mental health to anyone who is even a little bit mean to you about your obvious lies. I don't even like Star Wars. It just drives up the walls how the dumbest people on Earth seem to get away with casually telling lies about the production history and people who made SW.
They explain why you can’t use a zip line in annihilation because they loose contact with anything to goes into the zone. A zip line needs to be installed on both ends to make the line taught
Thanks you so much!! Got some big things coming in 2024. Well, not so much "big things," as "more of the exact same at the same rate as before," but hopefully with SOME bonus content dropping at some point.
Regarding the re-issue and continued editing of the original films, the 1997 "special edition" did not replace ghost Anakin with Hayden Christiansen. That change (along with many others) was added to the 2004 DVD re-release, It's this version that also includes the baffling and thoroughly uncomfortable "Jedi Rocks" musical number at Jabba's palace. For the original trilogy's release on Blu-Ray in 2011, they made even more changes, most notably Darth Vader voicing his internal conflict over whether to save Luke and kill the emperor, as if they didn't think that came through in the acting, music and editing of the original scene. (Again - Lucas and Co. just completely not getting what does or doesn't work about Star Wars and why.) When the movies were released on Disney+ in 2019, they were edited AGAIN to include more unnecessary FX changes and also some new dialogue by Greedo (RIP). So if somebody wants to watch the original movies now, what's available to them is so different from the actual original that it's arguable whether they even should be considered the same thing. To the question of - why not just re-release the actual original movies? Well, they did that in 2006 for a limited DVD run, but instead of actually giving a shit, the re-released versions are pan-and-scanned 4:3 transfers of a 1990s laserdisc without remastered audio.
Yeah, I didn't fixate on that enough in the ep, but it drives me insane how careless they go "oh yeah all that didn't matter because this universe just flips back to Facism every 5 years"
Seems like any "good" star wars IP these days is just some completely unrelated piece of media with the star wars logo slapped on it or has a SW character dragged outta the dumpster or the Sarlac pit but completely devoid of what star wars is about. It was lightning in a bottle with the first movie and then empire strikes back elevated the forst one and return of the jedi is thr beginning of the end where you can see big hints of what's to come for the prequels. Even the holiday special has that prequel spirit. It was a fluke and nothing too special. No new philosophy or new way of storytelling but it blew up for some reason and it will be (blue) milked til everyone is sick of it.
Honestly I'm at the point where all these pieces of content vaguely connected to the franchise have soured me on even the Original trilogy. Decent movies in a vacuum, but in hindsight, a guy swinging a lazer sword and blowing up the space Manhattan Project (twice, actually) was what was blowing the minds of Gen X? They're fine if you take them as pretty competently made space operas of their era, but were they really so earth-shattering that we need 5 gajillion spinoff movies, TV Shows, Novels, Radio Dramas, etc etc? Those first three movies are OK, a step up for genre films at the time, and even pretty serviceably entertaining flicks even now, but are they really worth this perennial relevance that's been prescribed to the franchise as a whole?
It's spot on that these movies act almost entirely as a springboard for merch, tie-ins and spinoffs. Zillineal sounding off here, I was introduced to the series through the Clone Wars show (CGI and the super tight 2d animated one), and was honestly pretty underwhelmed when I saw the movies they were supposed to be supplementing. in retrospect, it's pretty whack how much care was put in to these ancillary projects compared to the actual movies that they're essentially advertisements for. The only thing I think you guys missed out on in the influence in the culture is how every studio with an a franchise with a modicum of cultural cache is trying to be a multimedia institution like Star Wars. The obvious example is all these mid ass Disney + Marvel shows, but there's also baffling ones like a Knuckles Spinoff TV show that greenlit off the success of those live action Sonic the Hedgehog movies.
Yes that's a very good point. Which I'm sure will come up again at some point given the trend affected all franchises (Harry Potter). And yeah that stuff was dope, so many nights-turned-morning playing SWBF2
(1) Star Wars sucks (2) Star Wars has always sucked and it's something you only realize after you turn 30 (3) Deprivation of Star Wars media between '83 and '99 raised our expectations to a standard that George couldn't meet and (4) Episode I is underrated as it does a better job visually presenting the immense scale of the galaxy.
I totally agree with the last point, it definitely falls short in the aspects that matter, but Episode I is the closest Lucas comes in trying to emulating the world building and tone of A New Hope, unfortunately it goes down hill when he starts to fancy himself some kind of Shakespearean talent, which gives us the melodramatic, tryhard, and edgy (in an early 2000s myspace way) tone of Ep 2 and 3.
Now that you mention it, I'd kill for an episode on Family Guy and how it's edgier take on The Simpsons' animated sitcom schtick influenced Adult Animation in the 2000s
This is my question about the prequels: why does it matter what evil things Anakin did in the past if we saw him blow up an entire planet in the first movie?
Chris Cutrone's "In Defense of the Star Wars Prequel Films" essay for Sublation Magazine is where the smart money is at. Many of your points, here said in jest, actually support his claims (especially the decadent character of the Republic).
They are both from New York, I can see the similarity. Walken is a little fuller, Norm has that bit of fry and is softer, slower and little more high pitched. They both also have their own beautiful cadence
It’s kind of a shame that George wasn’t able to hold off a decade and do the ultimate cursed Hollywood thing and with a few minor tweaks do the lib oliver stone version of the prequels. The old republic could have been the space neoliberal end of history rules based international order and have an inside job terrorist attack (by death maul as a bin laden stand in) force palpatine (Cheney stand in) to create the empire via the space patriot act. Making Vader the canonical GW Bush stand in. Then have the new trilogy be Darth Cheeto and Leia as space Hillary.
lol, relevant username. Yes, true, we didn't even touch on that--Newt Gunray's accent. Do they have other coded characteristics other than the accents and being like, unscrupulous businessmen?
@@RememberShuffle Much like the greedy and inscrutable celestials closing off old Cathay to the opium trade, the Nemoidians control the "trade federation" and are instituting a blockade and price gouging racket that must be broken by force for the benefit of Coruscant-based capital. Also beyond the accents, they have slanted eyes and flat faces and their robes and headgear are very Mandarin-esque.
Jesse Gender is a plaigarist. Her entire Star Wars video is just her plaigarising other, more informed people. She even uses the exact same clips that Rick Worley did to explain the Kuleshov effect.
As a xillennial/ boomer zoomer, I definitely do not like these movies in the way i like something like Goodfellas or Dr.Strangelove. I kinda just remember them fondly because it made it so me and my friends could severely damage our fingers playing with the plastic retractable lightsabers from walmart. It really is just a commercial for toys/games, but it was from before I found out that was a bad thing.
yeah, all the military equipment in the movies is awesome. And I think that the movies are at least a sincere effort at doing something new, unlike the sequel series
goddamn this ep was amazing. I for sure agree that the lego gunship I built and the great games that came out during the prequel era (KOTOR II and Republic Commando 4 life), were a fucking slam dunk, but these movies were horrendous trash. thanks for the laughs.
I love episode 1, I thought it was action packed at least when I watched it first. Although I don't think I've watched its entirety since the first time I watched it. It was the first Star wars movie I watched in the entirety too so maybe that colored my reception of it.
I too loved it as a kid, but it's harder as an adult given how bad the characterization is. I kind of changed my opinion a bit since this and think that 1 is far better than 2
It was okay, I guess. But I watch movies superficially. So much so that when I watch movie reviews like with Folding Ideas and it just seems like we watch a different movie altogether. 😁
Because they’re not good movies. I would recommend the Mr. Plinket review series by red letter media, it does a pretty good job breaking down why the films fail to present a coherent, compelling cinema experience. Nonetheless, it’s worth pointing out that George Lucas wanted to tell the story of how Anakin became Darth Vader, and he did in fact tell that story albeit in a way that was frustratingly unfocused. The new movies don’t even succeed at telling a basic story.
I do agree that the prequel series is better than the sequel series in that at least they were trying to do something new. But what do you like about this prequel series? Because the dialogue and characters seem pretty tough to get over for me.
@@RememberShuffle I have a bit of an advantage in that I wasn't able to actually see them for awhile but I did have every novelization almost right away, so it was easier to give a pass to poor acting/effects since I'd already extrapolated it in my mind. I like the story itself maybe more than the result that was onscreen. I used to say the story was good but the execution was bad, which as a horror fan I can look past rough effects and acting if I can get into the story. And the story of some mastermind manuevering society around him to gain power was interesting, along with seeing how Darth Vader grows into a villain from childhood. It's a progression kind of thing I like in stories
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Anakin Finkelstein had me crying.
My only regret is that we didn't walk the bit out even more, but we were worried about coming off as rude and/or disrespectful to a thinker we all truly respect.
@@RememberShuffle Hilarious, inspired bit, clearly made from a place of admiration for Norm and his work. Killer ep. Killer pod.
I thought it was Werner Herzog at first, and now I want a three-hour interview between those two. 😂
I love Norman but the impression was hilarious. Freedom for Palestine 🇵🇸
Been listening since you had Matt and Chris on. Just wanna say these never miss and you guys deserve to be way better known. Also I want to apologise for making a dismissive rude comment on one of your eps months ago that you then actually apologetically replied to. That made me feel bad. You guys rule.
thanks--haha, which episode was it on? No worries--as we've said in the past the hierarchy of comments preference is: positive comment>negative comment>no feedback
@@RememberShuffle I think it was the Hipster one? You said something in the comments about UK chavs and some other completely unrelated subculture from the 00s like they were the same thing. I like to think I stopped you guys making an extremely r worded episode at some point.
But yeah you guys are always super well informed and insightful and definately a cut above all the leftist twitter guys chapo runoff there is out there.
Masterpiece from pure podcasting talent. This got the most and strongest laughs out of me of any podcast episode I've ever listened to! Now I really wanna hear the forbidden Finkelstein riffs.
They have great guests!
Thank you so much!! Comments like these really make our day. We were both proud of this one. The topic definitely got us fired up.
Yeah, folks have been really generous with their time and we're super grateful!
I believe a big factor in why Lucas has always tried to keep the original theatrical releases from seeing the light of day again was the fact that Marcia, his ex-wife, was one of the editors.
Men will literally redo Star Wars instead of paying royalties and going to therapy. (?)
That's not even remotely true. Also, Marcia Luxas has mever onced "saved Star Wars in the edit." That has never ever happened ever. Literally the only people who think that are people who know less than nothing about movies or film production.
Nice may may, my dude. Men and therapy, am I right? DAE Marcia saved Star Wars in the edit? Rocket Jump University, a very real film school, told me so.
@@Abcdefg-tf7cu Bro, are you feeling okay?
@@Personal_Chizo Marcia Lucas didn't "save Star Wars in the edit." You're repeating an easily debunked myth from a badly made RUclips video. Rocket Jump "University" clearly had no clue what they were talking about and don't cite a single source to back up any of their claims. Why do so many of the mosr ignorant people in the world repeat obvious lies about Star Wars? What about this franchise makes people like you want to lie about it so much?
@@Personal_Chizo Just the sheer arrogance and ignorance of people like you is what drives me up the walls the most. You just assert total bs with zero basis in reality and then give snarky, condescending responses and fake concern about mental health to anyone who is even a little bit mean to you about your obvious lies. I don't even like Star Wars. It just drives up the walls how the dumbest people on Earth seem to get away with casually telling lies about the production history and people who made SW.
Classic trilogy Jedi are Buddhists, Prequel trilogy Jedi are Confucian. Jar jar is the Dao.
I do actually like that prequel-classic distinction given the prequel jedi's inclusion in statecraft bureaucracy
They explain why you can’t use a zip line in annihilation because they loose contact with anything to goes into the zone. A zip line needs to be installed on both ends to make the line taught
Great episode, y’all have been killing it lately
Thanks you so much!! Got some big things coming in 2024. Well, not so much "big things," as "more of the exact same at the same rate as before," but hopefully with SOME bonus content dropping at some point.
Regarding the re-issue and continued editing of the original films, the 1997 "special edition" did not replace ghost Anakin with Hayden Christiansen. That change (along with many others) was added to the 2004 DVD re-release, It's this version that also includes the baffling and thoroughly uncomfortable "Jedi Rocks" musical number at Jabba's palace.
For the original trilogy's release on Blu-Ray in 2011, they made even more changes, most notably Darth Vader voicing his internal conflict over whether to save Luke and kill the emperor, as if they didn't think that came through in the acting, music and editing of the original scene. (Again - Lucas and Co. just completely not getting what does or doesn't work about Star Wars and why.)
When the movies were released on Disney+ in 2019, they were edited AGAIN to include more unnecessary FX changes and also some new dialogue by Greedo (RIP). So if somebody wants to watch the original movies now, what's available to them is so different from the actual original that it's arguable whether they even should be considered the same thing.
To the question of - why not just re-release the actual original movies? Well, they did that in 2006 for a limited DVD run, but instead of actually giving a shit, the re-released versions are pan-and-scanned 4:3 transfers of a 1990s laserdisc without remastered audio.
Lucas obviously wants us pirating the "demastered versions
"Erasing the stakes of the original series" is exactly why I hate the prequels so much, been trying to find those words for awhile
Yeah, I didn't fixate on that enough in the ep, but it drives me insane how careless they go "oh yeah all that didn't matter because this universe just flips back to Facism every 5 years"
Seems like any "good" star wars IP these days is just some completely unrelated piece of media with the star wars logo slapped on it or has a SW character dragged outta the dumpster or the Sarlac pit but completely devoid of what star wars is about. It was lightning in a bottle with the first movie and then empire strikes back elevated the forst one and return of the jedi is thr beginning of the end where you can see big hints of what's to come for the prequels. Even the holiday special has that prequel spirit. It was a fluke and nothing too special. No new philosophy or new way of storytelling but it blew up for some reason and it will be (blue) milked til everyone is sick of it.
Honestly I'm at the point where all these pieces of content vaguely connected to the franchise have soured me on even the Original trilogy. Decent movies in a vacuum, but in hindsight, a guy swinging a lazer sword and blowing up the space Manhattan Project (twice, actually) was what was blowing the minds of Gen X?
They're fine if you take them as pretty competently made space operas of their era, but were they really so earth-shattering that we need 5 gajillion spinoff movies, TV Shows, Novels, Radio Dramas, etc etc? Those first three movies are OK, a step up for genre films at the time, and even pretty serviceably entertaining flicks even now, but are they really worth this perennial relevance that's been prescribed to the franchise as a whole?
It's spot on that these movies act almost entirely as a springboard for merch, tie-ins and spinoffs. Zillineal sounding off here, I was introduced to the series through the Clone Wars show (CGI and the super tight 2d animated one), and was honestly pretty underwhelmed when I saw the movies they were supposed to be supplementing. in retrospect, it's pretty whack how much care was put in to these ancillary projects compared to the actual movies that they're essentially advertisements for.
The only thing I think you guys missed out on in the influence in the culture is how every studio with an a franchise with a modicum of cultural cache is trying to be a multimedia institution like Star Wars. The obvious example is all these mid ass Disney + Marvel shows, but there's also baffling ones like a Knuckles Spinoff TV show that greenlit off the success of those live action Sonic the Hedgehog movies.
Yes that's a very good point. Which I'm sure will come up again at some point given the trend affected all franchises (Harry Potter). And yeah that stuff was dope, so many nights-turned-morning playing SWBF2
Truly getting to the world defining historical evejts of the 2000s. Lol another great episode boys
Thank ya. Yeah I think we're only missing 1 or 2 of the major franchises of the 2000s now. like HP and Pirates
"Assistant TO the regional jedi" Awww Gareth would do so well in the jedi council
seriously, was so weird to see these supposedly enlightened figures squabble over titles so much
(1) Star Wars sucks (2) Star Wars has always sucked and it's something you only realize after you turn 30 (3) Deprivation of Star Wars media between '83 and '99 raised our expectations to a standard that George couldn't meet and (4) Episode I is underrated as it does a better job visually presenting the immense scale of the galaxy.
I totally agree with the last point, it definitely falls short in the aspects that matter, but Episode I is the closest Lucas comes in trying to emulating the world building and tone of A New Hope, unfortunately it goes down hill when he starts to fancy himself some kind of Shakespearean talent, which gives us the melodramatic, tryhard, and edgy (in an early 2000s myspace way) tone of Ep 2 and 3.
Waking up and brushing your teeth with Haterade
Were never made to be entertaining films. They are long-form commercials for the video game.
When i heard the phrase "Anakin padme relationship", i literally exclaimed- Oh, God! as i walked down the sidewalk 😵💫
it's the baddest part of a bad series. Really drags the series down into new depths of Kitschiness
the best way to know if a star wars movie is good is if there exists a full length Family Guy parody of it
Now that you mention it, I'd kill for an episode on Family Guy and how it's edgier take on The Simpsons' animated sitcom schtick influenced Adult Animation in the 2000s
family guy episode is in the works
This is my question about the prequels: why does it matter what evil things Anakin did in the past if we saw him blow up an entire planet in the first movie?
This episode was wizard.
TY--going to assume wizard is the highest of praises
@RememberShuffle Definitely, George Lucas use to say that about stuff related to the prequels.
Chris Cutrone's "In Defense of the Star Wars Prequel Films" essay for Sublation Magazine is where the smart money is at.
Many of your points, here said in jest, actually support his claims (especially the decadent character of the Republic).
I thought the Norman Finkelstein impression was Christopher Walken first.
They are both from New York, I can see the similarity. Walken is a little fuller, Norm has that bit of fry and is softer, slower and little more high pitched. They both also have their own beautiful cadence
It’s kind of a shame that George wasn’t able to hold off a decade and do the ultimate cursed Hollywood thing and with a few minor tweaks do the lib oliver stone version of the prequels.
The old republic could have been the space neoliberal end of history rules based international order and have an inside job terrorist attack (by death maul as a bin laden stand in) force palpatine (Cheney stand in) to create the empire via the space patriot act.
Making Vader the canonical GW Bush stand in.
Then have the new trilogy be Darth Cheeto and Leia as space Hillary.
that honestly seemed like the most promising angle he had going with the portrayal of the Republic in these movies
Watto and jar jar are racist caricatures but don’t forget about the Chinese-coded Nemoidians.
lol, relevant username. Yes, true, we didn't even touch on that--Newt Gunray's accent. Do they have other coded characteristics other than the accents and being like, unscrupulous businessmen?
@@RememberShuffle Much like the greedy and inscrutable celestials closing off old Cathay to the opium trade, the Nemoidians control the "trade federation" and are instituting a blockade and price gouging racket that must be broken by force for the benefit of Coruscant-based capital.
Also beyond the accents, they have slanted eyes and flat faces and their robes and headgear are very Mandarin-esque.
This and Jesse Gender's 6 hour opus on the problems in star wars made my day. Thank you .3.
nice! will check that channel out
Jesse Gender is a plaigarist. Her entire Star Wars video is just her plaigarising other, more informed people. She even uses the exact same clips that Rick Worley did to explain the Kuleshov effect.
Hell yeah dude
hello there!
lets gooooo
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As a xillennial/ boomer zoomer, I definitely do not like these movies in the way i like something like Goodfellas or Dr.Strangelove. I kinda just remember them fondly because it made it so me and my friends could severely damage our fingers playing with the plastic retractable lightsabers from walmart. It really is just a commercial for toys/games, but it was from before I found out that was a bad thing.
yeah, all the military equipment in the movies is awesome. And I think that the movies are at least a sincere effort at doing something new, unlike the sequel series
goddamn this ep was amazing. I for sure agree that the lego gunship I built and the great games that came out during the prequel era (KOTOR II and Republic Commando 4 life), were a fucking slam dunk, but these movies were horrendous trash. thanks for the laughs.
The KOTORs rocked. Would love to replay those for the pod one day
I love episode 1, I thought it was action packed at least when I watched it first. Although I don't think I've watched its entirety since the first time I watched it. It was the first Star wars movie I watched in the entirety too so maybe that colored my reception of it.
I too loved it as a kid, but it's harder as an adult given how bad the characterization is. I kind of changed my opinion a bit since this and think that 1 is far better than 2
Never really watched the full original trilogy and watched Episode 4 after the episode 7 so it just didn't hit me at all.
what did you think of ep 4 after gettign to it last?
It was okay, I guess. But I watch movies superficially. So much so that when I watch movie reviews like with Folding Ideas and it just seems like we watch a different movie altogether. 😁
The new star wars movies are so much worse than the prequels, which I still can't understand why anyone disliked back in the 2000s btw
Because they’re not good movies. I would recommend the Mr. Plinket review series by red letter media, it does a pretty good job breaking down why the films fail to present a coherent, compelling cinema experience. Nonetheless, it’s worth pointing out that George Lucas wanted to tell the story of how Anakin became Darth Vader, and he did in fact tell that story albeit in a way that was frustratingly unfocused. The new movies don’t even succeed at telling a basic story.
I do agree that the prequel series is better than the sequel series in that at least they were trying to do something new. But what do you like about this prequel series? Because the dialogue and characters seem pretty tough to get over for me.
@@RememberShuffle I have a bit of an advantage in that I wasn't able to actually see them for awhile but I did have every novelization almost right away, so it was easier to give a pass to poor acting/effects since I'd already extrapolated it in my mind. I like the story itself maybe more than the result that was onscreen. I used to say the story was good but the execution was bad, which as a horror fan I can look past rough effects and acting if I can get into the story. And the story of some mastermind manuevering society around him to gain power was interesting, along with seeing how Darth Vader grows into a villain from childhood. It's a progression kind of thing I like in stories