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    Happy Star Wars day! The original Star Wars trilogy was groundbreaking for its special effects, its world building, its action, and so, so much more. But if you ask George Lucas, it isn't the action, nor the performances, or even the dialogue itself that ultimately carries the story of Star Wars. It is, fundamentally, John Williams' iconic score that carries Star Wars, even without dialogue. By that notion, Lucas compares Star Wars to silent movies, which didn't depend on dialogue to move and entertain. Today we'll look at some of the ways one can experience the Star Wars films... a little differently.
    I make reference to two other video essays in this video. The first is called "How Does An Editor Think and Feel?" by Every Frame a Painting, specifically starting at around the three and a half minute mark. I cannot recommend this video enough: • How Does an Editor Thi...
    The other is called "How Star Wars was saved in the edit" by RocketJump: • How Star Wars was save...
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    -Ken Films Star Wars 8mm reel footage (color): • Star wars on super8
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  • @CinemaStix
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    • @Venzynt
      @Venzynt 4 месяца назад +3

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    • @TheJacklikesvideos
      @TheJacklikesvideos 4 месяца назад +6

      "no wonder star wars dialogue is so mid" please keep this title. it made me chuckle and click the video!

    • @thegoodgeneral
      @thegoodgeneral 4 месяца назад +4

      @@Venzynt stop negging.

    • @MumRah
      @MumRah 4 месяца назад

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  • @wolframflorian
    @wolframflorian 4 месяца назад +2190

    Star Wars fans can argue about the dialogue, about characters about CGI and the screenplays. But all Star Wars fans universally love John Williams‘ music.

    • @Bowiiihowdy
      @Bowiiihowdy 4 месяца назад +55

      Absolutely. Even the worse movies like prequals or the ones he did in the sequal trilogy the music is still top notch

    • @fuzzblightyear145
      @fuzzblightyear145 4 месяца назад +29

      yes. thank the Maker they didn't go for a 70's disco track

    • @miguelandresforerodelgadil3059
      @miguelandresforerodelgadil3059 4 месяца назад +6

      Well, I remember a little heated discussion on Giacchino's work for Rogue One back when it premiered... But aside from that, yeah, universal agreement.

    • @babababad
      @babababad 4 месяца назад +8

      Except the people who say he's just a very clever ripoff artist, for writing too close to his influences.

    • @wolframflorian
      @wolframflorian 4 месяца назад +23

      @@babababad No “ripoff-artist” would ever be allowed near the Vienna philharmonic orchestra let alone conduct them, playing his own music.

  • @Treblaine
    @Treblaine 4 месяца назад +4523

    "you say you're a Star Wars fan but you don't even watch it in the original Japanese dub."

    • @VikingMale
      @VikingMale 4 месяца назад +62

      Have you seen the Italian version

    • @EkiToji
      @EkiToji 4 месяца назад +94

      The only way I can get through Episode 3 is if I watch the badly translated into Chinese and then back into English sub or dub of Backstroke of the West.

    • @KameronJ7
      @KameronJ7 4 месяца назад +164

      I view it as it's meant to be seen, in the original Klingon.

    • @Treblaine
      @Treblaine 4 месяца назад +45

      @@KameronJ7 I see you are a man of culture as well.

    • @paulnolan4971
      @paulnolan4971 4 месяца назад +26

      It' s somehow dry.....and coarse. I don't like it.

  • @shirocraban3978
    @shirocraban3978 4 месяца назад +1277

    There is this interview with Harrison Ford where he admits that, in the beginning, he and the others weren't taking Lucas and the movie very seriously... Then there was this music recording, or test screening, the first 20 minutes of the movie with the orchestra
    "And we understood we were actually part of something great, and we never made fun of George again"

    • @Simpson17866
      @Simpson17866 4 месяца назад +83

      "And we understood we were actually part of something great, and we never made fun of George again"
      Why not both? :D

    • @ZeroShaneBob
      @ZeroShaneBob 4 месяца назад +114

      Makes sense though, because Sci-Fi films were mostly kids films or very low budget TV shows back then, and I'd imagine to them it would be like filming for a new Spy Kids movie in 2024. Star Wars was cutting edge for its time thanks to George and his team.

    • @tiltskillet7085
      @tiltskillet7085 4 месяца назад +55

      Ford and Hamill have been making fun of George for years. Although I think affectionately.

    • @obscure.reference
      @obscure.reference 4 месяца назад +2

      @@Simpson17866 because they understood its value? what do you mean

    • @alex52043
      @alex52043 4 месяца назад +17

      @@ZeroShaneBob Star Wars is still cutting edge. None of the modern special effects beat it.

  • @gregullbagel
    @gregullbagel 4 месяца назад +5550

    That's what makes the old Lego games so great...following the slimmed down story beats without any dialogue and a touch of slapstick humor make for an iconic and timeless game!

    • @TactileTherapy
      @TactileTherapy 4 месяца назад +93

      Be careful that you remove the inherent bias just about we all possess for already seeing these movies countless times and preemptively knowing the scenes before they happen. To truly appreciate what a silent SW film is, it is incumbent upon us to beseech someone who has no previous SW film viewing experience

    • @jesustovar2549
      @jesustovar2549 4 месяца назад +23

      I actually liked to say the dialogue from the movies when playing the Lego games, I immited each character's voice, including females.

    • @Jeremy-ot6pb
      @Jeremy-ot6pb 4 месяца назад +142

      @@TactileTherapy did you just learn what a thesaurus is

    • @Chris-lr2qb
      @Chris-lr2qb 4 месяца назад +12

      @@Jeremy-ot6pb Definitely a bot

    • @Dualis58
      @Dualis58 4 месяца назад +7

      can you shush? ​@@TactileTherapy

  • @Insightfill
    @Insightfill 4 месяца назад +1124

    On silent films: I remember once reading about the international popularity of Mr Bean, as language just isn't relevant to the gags.

    • @jesustovar2549
      @jesustovar2549 4 месяца назад +43

      You know, once Charles Chaplin met and praised Benny Hill.

    • @miguelandresforerodelgadil3059
      @miguelandresforerodelgadil3059 4 месяца назад +39

      Can confirm, most people here might not know a single word in english and still recognize him inmediately

    • @vestavind
      @vestavind 4 месяца назад +9

      When the teddy bear lost its head, I felt that

    • @DivineEternalOne
      @DivineEternalOne 4 месяца назад +19

      When I was in Nepal, I found a Mr. Bean video game at a stall that sold pirated games. Didn't even know Mr. Bean had a video game.

    • @ano_nym
      @ano_nym 4 месяца назад +6

      @@DivineEternalOne I hope you bought it.

  • @LON009
    @LON009 4 месяца назад +878

    This is why Genndy Tartakovsky was perfectly chosen to make the original animated Clone Wars. From Samurai Jack (or even from some Dexter episodes) you could already tell he understood Kurosawa-style storytelling.

    • @russianoverkill3715
      @russianoverkill3715 4 месяца назад +91

      Tartakovsky made Jedi Council actually feel like it's comprised of the most skilled Jedi masters and who all discuss problems, not just Yoda and Mace Windu.

    • @Christian-ri2uf
      @Christian-ri2uf 4 месяца назад +52

      Makes sense. His newer series Primal is done completely without dialogue, save the occasional grunts and roars.

    • @russianoverkill3715
      @russianoverkill3715 4 месяца назад +25

      @@Christian-ri2uf but when it does have dialogue it's still great, loved that modern day episode about those scientists.

    • @ender7278
      @ender7278 4 месяца назад +4

      There's very little dialog in that series.

    • @akirafuto7783
      @akirafuto7783 4 месяца назад +46

      Hot take this was the superior Clone Wars. It fits so much better between episodes 2 and 3 and doesn’t really retcon anything. Not to mention you can watch it all in one sitting lol

  • @daviddominianni7132
    @daviddominianni7132 4 месяца назад +54

    Fascinating video, but I would suggest that Ben Burtt's sound design is almost as much a part of the audible legend of Star Wars as John Williams' music. Maybe you could experience the movie without DIALOGUE, but definitely not without SOUND.

  • @eu4um
    @eu4um 4 месяца назад +5483

    "Star Wars isn't about the dialogue."
    Yeah, we noticed George.

    • @hylianro
      @hylianro 4 месяца назад +185

      😂 for real though the only movie with great dialogue is ep 5

    • @HahsJeje
      @HahsJeje 4 месяца назад +19

      Accurate 😂

    • @russianoverkill3715
      @russianoverkill3715 4 месяца назад +117

      ​@@hylianrowhich George had almost nothing to do with.

    • @hylianro
      @hylianro 4 месяца назад +32

      @@russianoverkill3715 exactly that's why I said that

    • @zorglubmagnus455
      @zorglubmagnus455 4 месяца назад +35

      Episode IV had tons of memorable lines. Episode V too. Ep I II III VII are just pathetic.

  • @captainobvious9188
    @captainobvious9188 4 месяца назад +183

    I was born 1980 - I have an auditory processing disorder so it was years before I saw it with captions and understood even half the dialog. I didn’t realize I loved original Star Wars so much because it was essentially a silent film.

  • @ZackFairSOLDIER1stCl
    @ZackFairSOLDIER1stCl 4 месяца назад

    7:04 That guy in the bottom right is low-key grooving

  • @jimbobalo1
    @jimbobalo1 4 месяца назад +1536

    Imagine a black and white edit of Star Wars, but the light sabers are in colour

    • @jesustovar2549
      @jesustovar2549 4 месяца назад +58

      I watch that.

    • @AstralLass469
      @AstralLass469 4 месяца назад +233

      There was a SW Visions episode (called The Duel) on D+ that had the sabers and blaster fire alone in color. It was intentionally made to resemble the visual style of the Kurosawa films. I recommend seeing it!

    • @akunekochan
      @akunekochan 4 месяца назад +49

      Ah yes... The Schindler List approach

    • @thomasbrooks8188
      @thomasbrooks8188 4 месяца назад +46

      ​@@AstralLass469 I just watched the Japanese dub of this after reading your comment and it's one of the sickest things I've ever seen, thank you

    • @newsaxonyproductions7871
      @newsaxonyproductions7871 4 месяца назад +3

      Ooh that'd be cool

  • @DarkDepth2000
    @DarkDepth2000 4 месяца назад +1

    Obi-Wan:” “
    Anakin:” “

  • @russellgeisthardt9828
    @russellgeisthardt9828 4 месяца назад +56

    Opera is actually an interesting analogy. Similar ideas of minimal dialog, and mostly emotions are expressed through music, often with words in another language.

    • @bigol9223
      @bigol9223 4 месяца назад +7

      Even Lucas called it a space opera, and a soap opera.

  • @Domasiukas
    @Domasiukas 4 месяца назад

    7:48 Without colour, Anakin looks like a dark spot surrounded by light

  • @SodiumWage
    @SodiumWage 4 месяца назад +547

    This helps explain why the prequels are so endlessly meme-able. The prequels have a straightforward visual clarity that, even devoid of context - perhaps from the point of view from someone who has never even seen them, is still crystal clear. Then by adding humorous text (not unlike a subtitle or silent movie text card), these memes are able to convey so much information with just one or a few simple images.

    • @davidmoorcroft7117
      @davidmoorcroft7117 4 месяца назад +16

      In a similar vein, this video compares the dialogue to Lucas' sound effects. "King of Wooden Dialogue" ruclips.net/video/S5E-eSdRjXs/видео.htmlsi=tS7jvPZvAJrgykwi

    • @jesustovar2549
      @jesustovar2549 4 месяца назад +62

      You could argue that too with Sam Raimi 'Spider-Man trilogy, it's so memeable, it's a contemporary of the prequels.

    • @slackolantern
      @slackolantern 4 месяца назад +10

      Huh, I never thought of it like that. It makes sense that you can meme it because you can get the point across so many different ways with just four photos of two people.

    • @rafaelc.c.
      @rafaelc.c. 4 месяца назад +8

      I really appreciate Lucas's purity in terms of direction and writing. Naturality is so underrated compared to how pretentious films often are nowadays, like Dune or EEAAO.

    • @someguy9496
      @someguy9496 4 месяца назад

      It’s memable because they have stupid dialogue and are bad films not because they’re good

  • @bemusedalligator
    @bemusedalligator 4 месяца назад

    "quiet film" are always really good. Minimize dialogue but still allow just enough exposition to clear up what's going on.

  • @SereglothIV
    @SereglothIV 4 месяца назад +66

    When I was less than 10 years old, we had this DVD with Attack of the Clones at home. We used to watch it over and over with my younger brother and it was one of our favourite movies.
    We're Polish and the DVD was in English, which we barely spoke or understood at the time.

    • @christianriddler5063
      @christianriddler5063 4 месяца назад +8

      Same, I'm Scanian Swedish, I didn't understand anything they said in Star wars, Lord of the rings or Titanic lol. But I understood the story, even though I didn't speak english I understood what was happening and I think it affected me.
      As a result, when I watch movies as an adult, it matters far more to me what the emotions of the characters are, the tone of their voice, the music, the scenery, the expressions, what they say doesn't matter nearly as much. Yet I still fully appreciate the story lol.

  • @Zoie3x8
    @Zoie3x8 4 месяца назад

    7:44 *anime star wars INTENSIFIES !*
    HE'S TOO POWERFUL TO BE LEFT ALIVE !!

  • @LuisLeBelge
    @LuisLeBelge 4 месяца назад +9

    Your essay made me realize that I never truly grasped how Star Wars is a Space *Opera*. The way you built things up, demonstrating everything that is told and shown by everything else but dialog, ending on those Japanese-dubbed b&w versions, and dropping the term like the cherry on top... it made it click. Thank you.

  • @exeterjedi6730
    @exeterjedi6730 4 месяца назад

    Backstroke of the West remains the definitive Star Wars edit.

  • @aaronstreitenberger6012
    @aaronstreitenberger6012 4 месяца назад +3

    This video reminds me of my dream Star Wars movie from before the Mando era. A film made entirely with Wookies, Droids, and Aliens that don't speak real language. Two and half hours of action and adventure without a single word, truly a perfect Star Wars film.

  • @mback3713
    @mback3713 3 месяца назад

    The original Star Wars as a silent movie... yes... You've captured it.. The beauty of shared human romantic experience... this is an awesome intuition.

  • @pacershark452
    @pacershark452 4 месяца назад +49

    I noticed about eight years ago that you can tell A LOT about a movie (which cast members in a movie are getting along, Whether the leads have any chemistry, how good the Cinematography is good or not.) by simply WATCHING THE FILM WITHOUT THE SOUND ON.
    It has been an educating experience.

    • @blodhthringa
      @blodhthringa 3 месяца назад +1

      I unintentionally realize this every time I am at big get together (Usually some holiday family get together) and the TV has a random movie on, but the sound is muted. There have been countless films that I just can't watch muted. However, there are a few that I can just sit and watch with no sound. If those movies have good scores, you can bet that they are probably fantastic films.

    • @pacershark452
      @pacershark452 3 месяца назад +1

      @@blodhthringa Agreed.
      I recently took a peek at my personal movie collection and found the dualist (1977) and decided to take a peek at it.
      It was TWENTY MINUTES before I realized how much time had passed.
      I realized later that even if the sound had been off, THE RESULT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME.
      that's how good the movie is.

    • @matthewsawczyn6592
      @matthewsawczyn6592 Месяц назад +1

      Ron Howard the director says he does this with scenes to see if they make sense on even the most basic visual level

    • @pacershark452
      @pacershark452 Месяц назад

      @@matthewsawczyn6592
      He's a wise man. I'm glad he's out there making movies.

  • @marcusmcspadden9650
    @marcusmcspadden9650 4 месяца назад

    The black and white really helps smooth the cgi background out in reference to the characters. It's not as jarring a transition as the original.

  • @snazzle9764
    @snazzle9764 4 месяца назад +251

    Rewatching "The Phantom Menace" in theaters yesterday just made me appreciate William's genius even more. The ending victorious music being a remix of Palatines theme (hinting at who really won), subtly putting in some of Vader's theme in Annie's theme ("The ending credits theme" is a good way to hear annie's theme in full), and of course "Duel of the Fates".

    • @joshuatso2052
      @joshuatso2052 4 месяца назад +12

      The sound editing in that movie is amazing. I rewatched it with the stereo on, and wow, the amount of detail from podracer uniqueness and foreshadowing melodic memes, makes it a great storytelling. Lucas did a good job story telling seperately in a visual, music (auditory), and dialogue ways.

    • @LethinGabbins
      @LethinGabbins 4 месяца назад +5

      Darth jar jar being removed from subsequent episodes was the buggest mistake George ever made. That would have been the best "if you go back and look," reveals

    • @snazzle9764
      @snazzle9764 4 месяца назад +7

      @@LethinGabbins The "darth Jar Jar" thing is a myth. George described him as inspired by Goofy

    • @LethinGabbins
      @LethinGabbins 4 месяца назад +1

      @snazzle9764 yea, but there is lots of e idence in episode 1 as well as being palps go to.
      Jar jar was the reason the senate voted to give Palpatine emergency powers.
      Jar jar was replaced by doku out of nowhere.

    • @A7XdemesticPk
      @A7XdemesticPk 3 месяца назад +1

      @@LethinGabbins jar jar isn't the reason lol, he's only the one proposing that to the senate..

  • @JohnKidd-up7uh
    @JohnKidd-up7uh 4 месяца назад

    All the films are silent, except for 'I am your father'.
    Now that would be a gut-punch

  • @empatheticrambo4890
    @empatheticrambo4890 4 месяца назад +833

    The Kurosawa re-edit of Star Wars is a genius idea...

    • @jnnx
      @jnnx 4 месяца назад +13

      It really isn’t.

    • @pinkfloyd873
      @pinkfloyd873 4 месяца назад +27

      Anyone know where you can watch the whole thing?

    • @xj3ewok
      @xj3ewok 4 месяца назад +20

      So someone made and put it in post on reddit. I just did a web search for kurosawa re-edit of star wars and it came up

    • @leikeylosh
      @leikeylosh 4 месяца назад +2

      @empatheticrambo4890 It's actually insulting to the legacy of Kurosawa.

    • @empatheticrambo4890
      @empatheticrambo4890 4 месяца назад +7

      @@leikeylosh how do you mean?

  • @jacobstaten2366
    @jacobstaten2366 4 месяца назад

    Some people say that all movies should be this clear with the sound turned off. The problem is not every plot nor every part of life operates this way.

  • @Deltarious
    @Deltarious 4 месяца назад +97

    Man the OG Lego Star Wars games were *so* good, in fact they were such exceptional games that when they added spoken dialogue to the newer releases I was really sad. I get that they wanted to innovate and stick with the times, and there are lots of great moments in the newer ones too, but the originals were *so* clever and funny and some of the gags to get around zero dialogue were amazing

    • @stevecarter8810
      @stevecarter8810 4 месяца назад +12

      Adding dialog to move with the times is bs. It just means we want to save time and money by using less nuance and expertise. Probably because the money people are talking louder than the experts.

    • @ZeroShaneBob
      @ZeroShaneBob 4 месяца назад +4

      @@stevecarter8810 Not sure you are making sense. It'd cost a lot more money to hire a bunch of voice actors than a few animators to make silent scenes. The issue IMO is that the budgets for video games is out of control, and everything has to be the "biggest ever" with Hollywood actors, and huge worlds with tons of collectibles, and $40 DLCs. It's hard for a AAA game to be made with any passion when there's shareholders breathing down a studios neck that has 400 plus people, who BTW, all have their own ideas for how a game should be made.

    • @bigol9223
      @bigol9223 4 месяца назад

      "The times" don't really have much to do with it. Not like a game full of non-dialogue was "the times" when Lego star wars first came out either.

  • @ChristopherZubin
    @ChristopherZubin 3 месяца назад

    The Blackened Mantle is one of the better reedits of the prequels I've watched

  • @libbyandtai
    @libbyandtai 4 месяца назад +4

    The whole movie should be Black and White But the Lightsabers being Red and Blue. That would be amazing

  • @xryanv
    @xryanv 4 месяца назад

    You can't talk about "Star Wars" as if everything "Star Wars" is one cohesive whole. There is A New Hope and then there is... everything else.

  • @envrie9423
    @envrie9423 4 месяца назад +44

    Silence is one of the most powerful tools in cinema. There's a reason why great directors like Dennis Villeneuve favorite other aspects of cinematic communication over dialogue.

  • @tellmewhenitsover
    @tellmewhenitsover 4 месяца назад

    This made me realize, I'd actually like to see a modern movie made with no dialogue, as a sort of challenge to the director to see how much story they can still get across. And none of these old time pauses for slides with text either, just no words anywhere in the film.

  • @super1million11
    @super1million11 4 месяца назад +9

    Am I the only one who really likes that purple fuzzy dress that Padme wears in episode 3 when Odi wan reveals Anakin had gone evil?

  • @claudiameier666
    @claudiameier666 4 месяца назад

    the black and white is wonderful looking

  • @Tze52
    @Tze52 4 месяца назад +923

    When they started adding actual voice lines to Lego Games, the magic was lost. For the original Police game, that's fair because it's an original story, but for movie games like Star Wars...I haven't gotten any recently

    • @markmickman
      @markmickman 4 месяца назад +46

      You can actually turn the dialog off

    • @captain___waffles
      @captain___waffles 4 месяца назад +74

      The latest, Skywalker Saga game, has an option in the menu to turn on mumble mode, which is what they call the old dialogue style.

    • @xipheonj
      @xipheonj 4 месяца назад +134

      Switching the dialog to mumble mode doesn't fix the problem though, they changed how they adapt the scenes to include the dialog in order to understand the story, removing it leaves an obvious dialog shaped hole. I remember feeling so disappointed when I played the Skywalker Saga and the story was just so boring compared to my memories of the original games.
      The dialog existing at all ruins it, whether it's been turned off or not.

    • @captain___waffles
      @captain___waffles 4 месяца назад +24

      @@xipheonj I actually didn't know that, but now that you say it it makes total sense. I picked up Skywalker Saga back when it came out, never actually got around to trying it. I guess the pacing of cutscenes is based around the dialogue being there, and the sheer amount of work required to make the mumble mode a true classic option would be too much.
      That's really a shame, then. Less time for slapstick jokes and gags!

    • @ZoomerUnion
      @ZoomerUnion 4 месяца назад +3

      Just be honest and say you outgrew them. It's OK to not be a child anymore.

  • @gxdwack
    @gxdwack 4 месяца назад

    i personally love the dialouge in the prequels

  • @Shiftdougler
    @Shiftdougler 4 месяца назад +3

    “The dialogue is so badly written I had to change the language to Japanese to get enough cultural distance” - Ben “Yahtzee” Crowshaw, ZP sonic generations

  • @claudiameier666
    @claudiameier666 4 месяца назад

    it works so well even without dialogue

  • @ordinarryalien
    @ordinarryalien 4 месяца назад +76

    7:44 My favourite Kurosawa film.

  • @PredaConvoy
    @PredaConvoy 3 месяца назад

    I first saw Star Wars on Super-8! It's so cool to see you acknowledge it, I would love for those cuts to be made available again!

  • @jamesgillen2339
    @jamesgillen2339 4 месяца назад +13

    Star Wars without dialogue is the main way it DOES work. I mean, look at the scene at sunset where Anakin is in the Jedi Temple staring out across the horizon towards Padme's apartment, wondering if he should betray Palpatine or the Jedi.

    • @joshuafischer684
      @joshuafischer684 4 месяца назад +5

      Episode 3 is a close second to Empire for the best Star Wars film, and it has the best suite of music by a mile. That one scene (Anakin's Anguish I believe it's officially titled) proves categorically that Hayden Christensen is a good actor and Lucas a good director.

  • @JJohnston4Life
    @JJohnston4Life 4 месяца назад

    This is why Star Wars will never be the same again.

  • @Tomzo711
    @Tomzo711 4 месяца назад +5

    I have to give it to Lucas. He knew dialogue was his weakest skill in crafting a story, so he worked around it by hiring who would become one of the greatest composers of the century.

  • @WhittyMike
    @WhittyMike 4 месяца назад

    The Kurosawa version toward the end is my favorite...

  • @logion567
    @logion567 4 месяца назад +597

    "i don't speak Japanese, i took 3 years of it in High School and remember nothing"
    that is me but with Spanish lmao

    • @jesustovar2549
      @jesustovar2549 4 месяца назад +12

      I'm venezuelan, I could teach you, it's very simple compared to japanese.

    • @welfaiewfb8802
      @welfaiewfb8802 4 месяца назад +8

      lo siento

    • @skarppost4322
      @skarppost4322 4 месяца назад +13

      oh my dear french class... I can barly remember you

    • @jonahs4819
      @jonahs4819 4 месяца назад +7

      I took German from 7th grade all the way thru my junior year of college. That’s 9 years. It’s been 6 years since then and I lost the vast majority of it. A second language is like a muscle, you NEED to flex it frequently and treat it like exercising. If you don’t, it will wither away in a heartbeat.

    • @kjj26k
      @kjj26k 4 месяца назад +7

      When it comes to second languages, use it or lose it.
      If you don't have anyone to speak that second language to in your daily or at least weekly life, it may be a pointless endeavor to learn in the first place, unless you will keep yourself practiced.

  • @witherwolf3316
    @witherwolf3316 4 месяца назад

    Fittingly, I was listening with this video playing in the background. But even then, when you said there's really only one way to watch Star Wars as a silent film I could tell by the sound that it was Lego Star Wars. And you are 100% correct.

  • @CrissaKentavr
    @CrissaKentavr 4 месяца назад +12

    Many children watch videos over and over.
    I listened to the Star Wars score LPs over and over as a child. On my parents' four-channel hi-fi. I had it memorized.
    ...This is also what made the Lucasfilm video games of the 80s so great. X-Wing shifted the themes around as the battles shifted. You knew you were doing well when the Rebel theme rushed through your Soundblaster and announced your relief ships arriving.

  • @koharumi1
    @koharumi1 4 месяца назад +1

    Meanwhile the Disney movies require many dialogues just to explain a great many things.

  • @rubenhinze7695
    @rubenhinze7695 4 месяца назад +3

    Audience: Your dialogue sucks, George
    George: (*adjusts glasses🤓) Ummm... ACKtuallyy (*nudges John Williams)
    John Williams: (*sigh) YYYYYEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeee

  • @dyldobaggins8173
    @dyldobaggins8173 4 месяца назад

    Hard to argue that the film still makes sense without dialogue when we've all watched them a dozen+ times/

  • @Albtraum_TDDC
    @Albtraum_TDDC 4 месяца назад +89

    If you watch it silently you'll miss such great lines like:
    "I don't like sand..."

    • @jaaxlo
      @jaaxlo 4 месяца назад +6

      Whats wrong with that line?
      Think of the context: Anakin has been taught to be a stoic monk for the past 10 years, then he is reintroduced to his lifetime long crush and theyre in a romantic setting. He is socially awkward with his crush, something alot of us can relate to.

    • @thatHARVguy
      @thatHARVguy 4 месяца назад +9

      @@jaaxlo His 8 years on Tatooine, his male influences were his slave owner and freighter pilots (space truckers). The very first thing he said to Padme was "Are you an angel?". Socially awkward indeed.

    • @Albtraum_TDDC
      @Albtraum_TDDC 4 месяца назад +3

      @@jaaxlo "It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth."
      *KISS*
      Yeah, great writing.
      I wish they'd reused this line in Dune.
      Since Star Wars basically stole everything from Dune anyway, maybe Dune could steal this idiocy back. Or maybe not. Yeah definitely not.
      This is silly.

    • @jaaxlo
      @jaaxlo 4 месяца назад +4

      @@Albtraum_TDDC you have an actual argument or are you just gonna whine?

    • @Albtraum_TDDC
      @Albtraum_TDDC 4 месяца назад +1

      @@thatHARVguy wasn't he like 9 years old at the time? That's not socially awkward time, that's adorable time.

  • @TheTurbanator123
    @TheTurbanator123 4 месяца назад

    Holy shit this makes such a good case for Andor
    The music is phenomenal. The dialogue and plot is also phenomenal. But the music is just otherworldly!

  • @robertonievecimamontana7065
    @robertonievecimamontana7065 4 месяца назад +3

    My grandmother used to play the piano in Louisiana during the silent film days... She always used to exclaim "Weeeeeeeeeeee!" and it was that passion that she used to play the piano. When I was a youth, I accidentally VHS recorded "The Sting" in black and white. I was initially saddened, but 4 minutes into the film, it really went well, so well, that I watched the movie several times in that de-colorization. I have seen the film a couple more times in its original color, and it is NOT the same...

    • @joshuafischer684
      @joshuafischer684 4 месяца назад

      Negative space is a major element of art. In film, negative space takes on a very different form than it does in static art like paintings or ceramics. Absence of color, music, sound, or dialogue is negative space in film, and it almost always enhances the impact.
      Godzilla Minus One is another great example of how a black and white version can be even more effective than full color. It's an excellent movie both ways, but the black and white cut feels so much more impactful because of the character's history.

  • @leecroft7311
    @leecroft7311 4 месяца назад

    My god, Star Wars looks beautiful in black and white. The prequels just pop.

  • @DCR_RANG
    @DCR_RANG 4 месяца назад +3

    I am the biggest Star Wars fan/nerd/lover and I always learn something new whether from watching one of the shows or movies again, or seeing a video like this. Super insightful and enlightening, thank you very much. This just helped me understand Star Wars more deeply as well as appreciate it even more. It genuinely is the greatest franchise of all time and I think George Lucas’ movies should be watched by all forever!

  • @privateye21
    @privateye21 3 месяца назад

    I have watched Star Wars more times than I can count. This is such a wonderful and beautiful way to look at the series again through fresh eyes. This video was great!

  • @Sannspoof
    @Sannspoof 4 месяца назад +8

    I was just thinking about this exact idea on my last rewatch, I've always loved the "silent" moments in Star Wars like when Leia and Wicket are about to be shot at by a stormtrooper and you just hear the "silence" of the forest. I was wondering if some passionate editor could be paid to edit Star Wars to remove all dialogue but keep the sound design, so thanks for giving me this glimpse.

    • @Aechelian
      @Aechelian 3 месяца назад

      Actually it'd be super easy, barely an inconvenience.
      I exaggerate, but there is a (free) program that utilizes deep learning algorithms to separate vocals from music. I haven't tried it to see if it works with sound effects as well, but it probably would.
      The program is called UVR, btw (Ultimate Vocal Remover).

  • @danvasqu
    @danvasqu 4 месяца назад

    Actions speak louder than words!

  • @krissp8712
    @krissp8712 4 месяца назад +200

    I was not prepared for the Japanese dub in the last third lol

  • @dstinnettmusic
    @dstinnettmusic 3 месяца назад

    Machete order is the best way to watch Star Wars. Watch in this order:
    A New Hope - sets the scene that we are exploring
    Empire - we continue following Luke and the other main characters up to a major climax point
    Attack of the Clones - we flash back to the start of the Clone wars and learn about how we got here.
    Revenge of the sith - we continue our flash back
    Jedi - we come back to “the present” and have a small time skip after the “major climax point” in Empire.
    This is ideal because
    1) episode 1 adds nothing to the series from a story standpoint
    2) it minimizes spoilers. This could be someone’s first time watching the series, and if you watch in order, there is no shock in the “climax” in Empire.
    In this order, someone could watch the series for the first time and not be spoiled by the story of the prequels.

  • @dantecampanaro4731
    @dantecampanaro4731 4 месяца назад +23

    Dude. Every video you make is just so well done. Thanks for posting!

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  4 месяца назад +1

      Thanks for watching!
      :)

  • @kamikazehound3243
    @kamikazehound3243 3 месяца назад +1

    Stars Wars music is legendary

  • @sarahraynore6713
    @sarahraynore6713 4 месяца назад +6

    4:03 unrelated but I just realized this is mirroring Padme taking care of kid Anakin when he left Tatooine (or more like that scene was mirroring this, but because it's a prequel it's really the siblings having echoes of their parents and... forget it)

  • @maijin007
    @maijin007 4 месяца назад

    Lucas did the action, Williams did the music, they forgot to hire a dialog guy.

  • @HalOBrien
    @HalOBrien 4 месяца назад +13

    Which is why Lucas doesn’t care if a lot of the time, the dialogue he writes doesn’t resemble how humans talk.

    • @TonySpike
      @TonySpike 4 месяца назад

      Well Tarantino dosnt know how actual humans talk either, but nobody seems to bother him about it 😂

  • @tonyjackson4078
    @tonyjackson4078 4 месяца назад

    It's odd because I agree the dialogue is very clunky, yet, it was some amazing lines. "Who's more the fool, the fool or the fool who follows him?" is a great "wise man" type line. Then there's the obvious catchphrases, so I can't say I'd want it as a silent film, but can't say it's a flowing film as far as dialogue.

  • @lulua6203
    @lulua6203 4 месяца назад +520

    Take away: Star Wars is one big music video

    • @jesustovar2549
      @jesustovar2549 4 месяца назад +20

      I acrually remember liking the music already before I even watched the films, also I played Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga and then watched it.

    • @Scrahdabley
      @Scrahdabley 4 месяца назад +24

      "Space Opera" Lucas says this all the time

    • @Grant-Shillings
      @Grant-Shillings 4 месяца назад +2

      That’s a totally different statement. You missed the point of the video

    • @richardlehoux
      @richardlehoux 4 месяца назад

      Good one

    • @richardlehoux
      @richardlehoux 4 месяца назад +8

      @@Grant-Shillings the video point is that it’s like silent movie not movie without sound.

  • @mistahslugg
    @mistahslugg 4 месяца назад

    Lmao holy shit the Obi vs Ani japanese VO fuckin got me 😂

  • @AndyHibberd
    @AndyHibberd 4 месяца назад +40

    Tenet is also a silent movie? *Runs for cover*

    • @Advent3546
      @Advent3546 4 месяца назад +9

      Dunkirk is as well

    • @LON009
      @LON009 4 месяца назад +10

      As Patrick Willems said, it's a "vibes movie"

    • @h4724-q6j
      @h4724-q6j 4 месяца назад +8

      Given that you can't hear any of the dialogue anyway, you'd hope so.

  • @joshimura1995
    @joshimura1995 4 месяца назад +275

    The first Star Wars was not "saved" in the edit, that theory was long debunked. Even Marcia herself said that was not the case .
    The story was more that Fox had a editor on the movie that started to work on the movie while Lucas and Crew were not even done shooting the thing.
    While Lucas was in London shooting the Tantive IV stuff, John Jympson was doing a cut of the movie without the directors feedback, since he was on the other side of the planet.
    There was no music, no vfx and placeholders were used.
    That was the notorious cut that shooked everybody, including Lucas directors friends. Lucas fired that man and brought in his wife and two pals from his old USC buddy Walter Murch.
    They started working on that movie (with Lucas as a uncredited editor) and the whole editing process took them (including the time of the previous editor) 14 months.
    Empire Strikes Back was also edited for 14 months. Not my words these are from Paul Hirsch, who worked on Star Wars and Empire, himself.
    But nobody said it was saved in the edit.
    I recommend the Making of Book by JW Rinzler from each of the OT movies. They are incredible, with so much details about how these movies got made.

    • @treborkroy5280
      @treborkroy5280 4 месяца назад +40

      That's interesting and makes more sense to be honest. Better than "he made two good movies but was fucking up his passion project until...." story that was being told over and over.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  4 месяца назад +89

      Yeah, see I had remembered that story getting debunked, too. But then when I was working on this video I couldn’t find where I’d seen that, so I thought I must’ve been making it up that it’d been. Guess I should’ve gone with my gut.

    • @thegoodgeneral
      @thegoodgeneral 4 месяца назад +19

      @@CinemaStixyour recent community post had many comments arguing this and posting links to the amazing video by Nerdonymous.

    • @StickNik
      @StickNik 4 месяца назад +25

      @@thegoodgeneral I was making a comment about this, but deleted it now seeing this thread here.
      For anyone reading and not wanting the watch the video: _How "How Star Wars was saved in the edit" was saved in the edit (sort of, but not really),_ by Nerdonymous, the biggest fabrication in it was the claim that the Death Star sequence at the end didn't have a time limit of the Death Star blowing up the rebel base until the edit (which is debunked by shooting scripts), and RocketJump try to place Marcia on a pedestal for her editing while also shitting on the deleted Tatooine scenes of Luke and friends, which she had edited and liked, and Lucas didn't even want to film in the first place (only doing so because the studio didn't have confidence to not introduce the main character a.s.a.p.).
      On the other hand, Nerdonymous' video is great and filled with info pulled from Making of Star Wars books and gives a lot of behind the scenes insights. Also has a pair of videos Star Wars Apocrypha that cover some lore and behind the scenes of sequels production and is great nerd juice.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  4 месяца назад +39

      Ah, brilliant! Well, it seems my curse that there always seems to be one error in every video that could’ve been avoided by the change of a single line. I was dealing in outdated intel-very bad practice :) I’ll fix it in next year’s compilation and find a way to redirect people accordingly on this one-or hopefully this thread will just rise to the top naturally.

  • @94nolo
    @94nolo 4 месяца назад

    one of the most beautiful film creations

  • @AW_DIY_garage
    @AW_DIY_garage 4 месяца назад +75

    I like the idea of watching them as a black and white film. Also maybe that is why some of the more cheesy dialogue never annoyed me.

    • @jesustovar2549
      @jesustovar2549 4 месяца назад +10

      Tbh, a lot of the dialogue sounds better in the mexican/latin american dub of the movies, especially for the prequels, even Darth Vader's voice sounds pretty idéntical to James Earl Jones.
      As you say, maybe that's why the dialogue never bothered me.

    • @miguelandresforerodelgadil3059
      @miguelandresforerodelgadil3059 4 месяца назад +1

      Sometimes I like to _mess_ a little with saturation while watching in my laptop, and let me tell you... No one is ready for B&W Blade Runner 2049
      Many more transform amazingly well too

  • @michelguevara151
    @michelguevara151 4 месяца назад

    the kurosawa dub is fantastic

  • @emoney6692
    @emoney6692 4 месяца назад +6

    Why does this video have the ability to play with a pop out player, while every other video on RUclips doesn’t? Is it doing this for anyone else?

    • @dali4323
      @dali4323 4 месяца назад

      Because you opened it from the opera browser maybe?

    • @TheAnantaSesa
      @TheAnantaSesa 4 месяца назад

      Pop out player works for me. Copyright music is the only thing that I've found to not allow the pop out.

    • @emoney6692
      @emoney6692 4 месяца назад

      I’m opening it from the RUclips app on my phone, are you doing the same? I’ve never seen a RUclips video with pop out play on the phone, but think it would be amazing if it was the norm.

  • @craigrussell7542
    @craigrussell7542 4 месяца назад

    To know that beauty exists and be unable to perceive it is a terrible thing.
    At Christmas my family re-watched The Lord of the Rings trilogy. But because a year-long infection had rendered me nearly deaf I was only able to hear a severely amputated version of the score. Knowing and loving that music, and being robbed of its beauty nearly broke my heart. Thankfully my hearing has recovered and the world sings for me again.

  • @katashley1031
    @katashley1031 4 месяца назад +9

    I'm so glad I found your channel, you're a kindred cinephile and this is a brilliant essay.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  4 месяца назад

      So glad you did too!

  • @eduardonorambuena4378
    @eduardonorambuena4378 4 месяца назад

    To quote one dialogue of one particular Movie - Doc:No wonder this circuit failed. It says "Made in Japan" - Marty McFly:What do you mean, Doc? All the best stuff is made in Japan.😉

  • @NunyaB1s
    @NunyaB1s 4 месяца назад +3

    This... made me respect the films and their impact in a whole new way. IF I could do my life over, I would have focused on music. Part of the reason is because of the subtle way that Lucas used music in this--has impacted why I gravitated towards music at all, in the first place.

  • @uxarius
    @uxarius 4 месяца назад

    On Disney+ there is actually a score-only version of The Last Jedi, and it's crazy good to watch it this way

  • @ginocappugino
    @ginocappugino 4 месяца назад +6

    first title was better

    • @RotorSpotter_
      @RotorSpotter_ 4 месяца назад +2

      Agreed!

    • @GeeBarone
      @GeeBarone 4 месяца назад +1

      It's just a normal thing for the algorithm

  • @daveygivens735
    @daveygivens735 3 месяца назад

    Actually, I watch Star Wars movies for the dialogue only. Usually a drinking game around "failure is complete".

  • @HighKingTurgon
    @HighKingTurgon 4 месяца назад +74

    The clip of Williams conducting the main title is so captivating: the couple dozen faces in the background, all rapt, all revealing some different-visceral!-reaction to hearing that brass fanfare. Some swept away in it, others resting deep within themselves, in the place where they first heard it, others reveling in the almost ironic mimesis the theme has taken on in the last five decades. Fifty different reactions, all recognizable, all relatable.

    • @reecord2
      @reecord2 4 месяца назад +11

      the people who can't help but have little grins are my favorite

    • @jesustovar2549
      @jesustovar2549 4 месяца назад +3

      One of the best concerts I've seen, I wish I saw it live, well, any John Williams concert for that matter.

    • @richardsheehan223
      @richardsheehan223 4 месяца назад +2

      @@jesustovar2549 I don't know where you live, but if you can make it to Los Angeles, John Williams does a live show at the Hollywood Bowl every summer.

    • @haleymj553
      @haleymj553 3 месяца назад +2

      I heard the Toronto symphony orchestra perform the main title once and tears were instantly streaming down my face, it felt like my heart was in my throat and I couldn't wipe the smile from my face, it was incredible.

  • @bigol9223
    @bigol9223 4 месяца назад

    I've been redpilled on this ever since I found the "soundtrack only" option on the Revenge of the Sith DVD.
    The story is told in the visuals and the music, thats a great movie.

  • @purgruv
    @purgruv 4 месяца назад +98

    "I don't like dialogue" - Denis Villeneuve
    "Star Wars films are silent movies, though!!!" - George Lucas

    • @jesustovar2549
      @jesustovar2549 4 месяца назад +14

      They're literally on the same line.

    • @phillipemery572
      @phillipemery572 4 месяца назад +12

      David Lynch has entered the chat....

    • @pawelparadysz
      @pawelparadysz 4 месяца назад

      @@phillipemery572 ruclips.net/video/PALjbTo1D5U/видео.html

    • @pijoo_213
      @pijoo_213 4 месяца назад +1

      Nice connection. I've watched Dune part one on mute and it was still incredible

  • @LeoAngora
    @LeoAngora 4 месяца назад

    In order to work, Williams will have to create an orchestral arrangement of the Cerveza Cristal ad.

  • @marcosfidelis4171
    @marcosfidelis4171 4 месяца назад +4

    I have always felt that the dialogue was almost an afterthought and genuinely didn't notice that some of the lines were absurd until pointed out, because I sort of phased it out of my mind a little.

  • @poozizzle
    @poozizzle 4 месяца назад

    I saw Metropolis with a live orchestra, very moving!

  • @AndrewSternkern
    @AndrewSternkern 4 месяца назад +8

    The X-Wing / TIE Fighter games also had dynamic midi music during the missions which changed based on the events happening (enemy ship destroyed, mission goals achieved, etc.).

    • @CrissaKentavr
      @CrissaKentavr 4 месяца назад

      Oh, yes! Lucasfilm held the *patent* to video games using shifting thematic music matching the pacing of the player and scripted actions.

    • @headrockbeats
      @headrockbeats 4 месяца назад +1

      It's called iMUSE. LucasArts used it in many games, but it was incredibly effective in the X-Wing series.

  • @WhatsWrongWithTheStreet
    @WhatsWrongWithTheStreet 4 месяца назад

    Hey, try Pulp Fiction in B&W. You'll love it. Turn the color out of your TV and adjust light and contrast for your room. It'll change the way you see that movie.

  • @AdamFunk
    @AdamFunk 4 месяца назад +17

    inb4 the title inevitably changes from "no wonder star wars dialogue is so mid"

    • @mrtnhrng
      @mrtnhrng 4 месяца назад +1

      What does it mean?

    • @AdamFunk
      @AdamFunk 4 месяца назад +8

      @@mrtnhrng So I love the channel, and the guy is genuinely insightful, but he always uploads with a really provocative clickbait title (to boost views at the beginning) and then changes them after a day or two.
      The video was posed yesterday as "no wonder star wars dialogue is so mid" and, predictably, has now changed to "star wars without music doesn't work very well."

    • @mrtnhrng
      @mrtnhrng 4 месяца назад

      @@AdamFunk Thanks! Tbh, I had to google "mid"... xD

    • @AdamFunk
      @AdamFunk 4 месяца назад +1

      @@mrtnhrng Ope, jk, now it's changed to "when the movie still works without dialogue" a few hours later. Lmao.
      That's three titles in two days.

    • @beatm6948
      @beatm6948 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@AdamFunkyeah, he does it quite a bit....but its not as if others dont do a similar thing, and I understand why he does it. Trialing the videos is important. Regardless, his videos are good and the titles always lead to what the video is about, so I don't mind 😊

  • @willrocks111
    @willrocks111 3 месяца назад

    I always remember that Ewan is trying not to laugh in the scene at 8:18 and it always takes me out haha

  • @MelchVagquest
    @MelchVagquest 4 месяца назад +7

    I don’t appreciate you changing the title into something so negative

    • @lightningmonky7674
      @lightningmonky7674 3 месяца назад

      Yeah it's just clickbait, it's obviously better to watch as intended

  • @TheMovieHangout
    @TheMovieHangout 4 месяца назад

    The silent/black and white version looks fantastic!

  • @courtjester7778
    @courtjester7778 4 месяца назад +3

    Hi there! I just wanted to stop by and say thanks for another wonderful little reminder of why I love movies. There are as many takes on Stars Wars as there are viewers, or maybe more, but not many I’ve seen have been so pure as this one. Yes, they’re a huge cultural phenomenon, but at heart they’re movies: a particular form of art that gives an audience particular experiences that can’t be had any other way. I love the idea of turning the prequels into Kurosawa films, and just the little clips you showed hit me in a visceral way. Even if I don’t ever watch the whole dubbed version, those glimpses will change the way I watch the prequels from now on. To me, that’s part of the magic of movies. I don’t just get to see them through my own eyes; when I engage with other film lovers I get to see through their eyes too. It’s why I love your channel so much. Thanks for all your great work. I can’t wait to see what you’ll show me next.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  4 месяца назад +3

      This warms my heart, thank you :) I know, it’s so tough talking about Star Wars. It’s so tough just coming up with anything to say about it that hasn’t been said. But when I stumble on an idea, it really gets me going. So, very glad you enjoyed it. And much more to come.
      -Danny

  • @theyodanesss
    @theyodanesss 4 месяца назад

    This video was good, but I wonder how it would have been if you hadn't added other music, and gave us like a minute of an example of each, giving us time to appreciate it in this video

  • @Advent3546
    @Advent3546 4 месяца назад +5

    7:43 It's like switching to Kurosawa Mode in Ghosts of Tsushima

  • @darrinsiberia
    @darrinsiberia 4 месяца назад

    i cant get over the "ira glass" chameleon aspect of the narrator ... scrolling away now about halfway through.