Stephen Nerds Out With 'Tolkien' Stars Nicholas Hoult & Lily Collins
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2019
- Stephen nerds out about J. R. R. Tolkien with Nicholas Hoult and Lily Collins, the stars of 'Tolkien.'
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Never make fun of someone if they mispronounce a word. It means they learned it by reading. - anonymous
I remember being surprised by the films, Sauron, & Rauros, just prounouncing the first syllable as another 'o', soh ron rather than sow-ron.
That’s a great quote. I remember as a twelve year old calling someone a my-so-guy-nist. I was very embarrassed but he was a misogynist.
"always identify your sources" - anonymous
@@soth1sol I just remembered the quote from mind, I then attempted to find the origin, but failed. The closest I got was H. Jackson Brown Jr. with “Never make fun of someone who speaks broken English. It means they know another language.”
-but are yet too stupid to know the phonetic alphabet
It's not often Stephen really cares about a movie his guest is promoting but when he does, it's very obvious
Haha so true
Well, it is about Tolkien
Well he's a big fan of Middle Earth movies, what do you expect?
It's quite obvious he doesn't care or know much at all. He's scripted to give a positive response and show a mediocre interest in the subject matter he is presenting on his show.
He doesn't sound, look or act very enthusiastic at all.
He was a lot more vibrant and alive when talking about Putin and the war in Ukraine. He really shone up in that one, as if he was very personally invested in it.
Here he is faking it, as with most other things he talks about it.
"I read Tolkien but there was no one to talk to about it." STORY OF MY LIFE- a bookworm's life.
Go on reddit, the Tolkien sub is huge :-)
it's sad, i live in Yakutsk (Russia, Siberia), and when i was a kid in 1990's fantasy become very popular here. It was a whole new genre came from the west. J.R.R.Tolkien, Ursula K.Le Guin, R.E. Howard and many others. I remember how hard was to find all three books of LotR, i found first book in state library it was wooden building with one floor in not very safe neighborhood. And in one day i found out that there is a whole society called "the Tolkienists" in my town, actually it was a bunch of teenagers that admired the universe of Eä. Imagine 20-30 kids meet together in park with wooden swords, shields, bows and arrows, divides in two or three groups (Elves, dwarves, orcs) and just smack each other. Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu! It was fun.
And there was a legend about Silmarillion, nobody saw that book but everyone heard about some guy who have it, he was a tolkienist but he grew up and moved in another city.
@@alexandrvasilev2865 Thank you for your story!
My dad got me into Tolkien, but he's only read Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit. So I can talk to him about those, but if I start talking about things in the Silmarillion or anything else, he doesn't know what I'm talking about.
My 4th grade teacher would read us a chapter of The Hobbit each day after lunch/recess to get us to calm down enough to learn other things. I fell in love... Then, when I couldn't find the trilogy in our tiny school library (our entire school grades 1 - 6 had a total of 32 kids), my 5th grade teacher just happened to have the box set of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. Since she didn't care for the genre, she gave them to me. I read them over and over (I especially loved the appendices). Like many, there was no one I could talk to about these stories.
"And he took her in his arms and kissed her under the sunlit sky, and he cared not that they stood high upon the walls in the sight of many.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien
Faramir and Eowyn after the final battle :3
The most romantic words ever written
“When winter passed, she came again,
And her song released the sudden spring,
Like rising lark, and falling rain,
And melting water bubbling.
He saw the elven-flowers spring
About her feet, and healed again
He longed by her to dance and sing
Upon the grass untroubling.”
My favourite stanza from the Song of Beren and Lúthien
I'm still mad that that didn't made it into the movie. Reading the books Faramir was my favorite character next to Sam.
I have that passage memorized 😍
Stephen has to rewire his entire brain to pronounce Tolkien correctly after all these years.
If you can say Joaquin
You can say Tolkien
@@da96103 I am spanish, so I pronounce "Joaquin" with a strong "h" sound.
I still don't understand when people say the name of the new Joker... "walkin phoenix"? ._.
I’m sure the world does. I’ve had a problem like this in my home town. there is a last name “Rupp”. There is two different families with the same name but they each say it different.
One pronounces it as “Roop” like the word broom.
The other is “Rup” like the word Up.
Really silly if you ask me.
The same goes for me, I was born in 1998 and I still learned it by reading, I’m probably gonna forget the correct way to say his name in like 1 or 2 days.
I have always pronounced it tolk ee en
That moment when Lily Collins talks about playing the person who inspired "That character" when talking about Tauriel from the Hobbit... who was created for the movie and doesn't appear in the book at all. So nice of Stephen to keep his geek in check and not mention it :-D
I guess we can think of it this way: Tauriel was inspired by that world, which was inspired by Tolkien, so the character was inspired by Tolkein, albeit indirectly :D
@@Onyvethawen but not by Edith.
I think it was more of a reference to elves in general, although yes, you're correct
That character felt so forced and out of place. I wish they had just left it out.
That actually annoyed me, since I grew up adoring those books and Tauriel imo was a fluff character who adds nothing to The Hobbit movies except a spurious love interest. The real story is brilliant without any of that adolescent stereotyped 'sexy elf warrior chick' bs. So yeah, referencing Tauriel as part of Tolkien's Middle Earth pretty much negates being a 'huge fan' of the source material from which she is conspicuously and thankfully absent.
Probably the only time when the interviewer knew more about the plot of the film than the actors.
but does not know the correct pronounciation. i do love Stephen though!
when i found out that they were makin a movies about J.J.R. Tolkien, i was hoping the cast would come to Stephen's , cause i knew how much of a geek he is when it comes to Tolkien works 😂
Too bad he does not know how to pronounce The Author name correctly *face palm* #Disappointed
@@Danny4SoccerOhio
He can tell you the lore of the Valanar, about the fall of Numenor, the betrayal of morgoth, and the rise of gondor. I think that's more important then pronouncing a hard I.
+Wlliam Cortelyou "Valanar"? Are you talking about the _Valar,_ the gods of Middle Earth? Or about _Valinor,_ the Undying Lands where they live? If you're going to pooh-pooh someone's nitpicking, maybe get right on the details YOU claim to know. (Also, Morgoth and Gondor are proper nouns, thus capitalized. Again, if you're going to get snotty about a linguistics professor, maybe have a little more respect for the words he created.)
@@Serai3
All I said was I didn't think a hard I was a big deal...? I didn't insult anyone, and I don't think I was being snitty? My friend... Who hurt you?
@@williamcortelyou4524 That is irrelavent since I already know of that which is why he should be able to pronounce it w/a hard I #TheTruth
Amazing, my dad used to teach me to pronounce his name "Tolkeen" but when I grew up all I ever heard was "Tolkin", so I stuck with that. Dear old dad was right!
yes, we grew up with the correct pronunciation but then so many people said Tolkin I thought we were wrong. Great to know the way I secretly pronounce it is right!.
I was always taught Tol-key-en
me being german, it was always the "tolkeen" version, because thats just what it'd sound like in german and yeah, seemed to work out fine
My dad bought the book for me 35 years ago, he knew I liked fantasy but isn't a reader himself, his spelling is really bad as is his reading ability but he gave me the book and said the authors name as 'Tolkeen' so that is how I have always pronounced it. I'm glad my dad got it right :)
@Lisa, yes I learned German for a few years, and so I have the rule stuck in my head that for the diphthong 'ei' and 'ie' you pronounce the second letter how we would say it in English.
So obviously for me, Tolkien you would say the letter e. For the word meine, say the letter i.
It's nice having rules in German where the exceptions don't outnumber the examples where the rule is followed!
The way Americans pronounce Harvey Weinstein is just confusing lol
I can't believe Nicholas has come so far from being a strange little kid in About A Boy to becoming such an esteemed and talented actor!
He was also on Skins between those two things
Stephens uncontainable excitement is melting me
Lily Collins was so wrong about the character Edith inspired. It wasn’t Tauriel from The Hobbit. She wasn’t even in the books, she’s a made up character by Peter Jackson....
In the Silmarrilion, there is a story of a man and a female elf/ Beren and Luthien and those characters were inspired by Tolkien’s love for his wife. There’s a scene where Luthien dances in the wood for Beren which is in reference to when Tolkien’s wife dances for him and I’m glad they added it in this movie.
I'm pretty sure Stephen was bursting trying to not respond to exactly this, lol
But Tauriel has many elements in common with Luthien so it's indirectly inspired.
Shes obviously bullshitting. Lilly acting like a true fan was cringe.
Lily Collins is the most British non-British person ever
That’ll be because she was born in Britain, and has dual citizenship.
Her dad is Phil Collins, and she can do a flawless accent so i think we can take her in as a Brit
When she said 'taking the mickey' with that American accent, I was like:...oh you spent a lot of time in the UK didn't you?😁 didn't know she's Phil Collins' daughter.
She said in a interview that she had as kid a British accent but when she came to the the U.S. she tried to hide it because other kids used to make fun of her because of it.
The American accent is the one that she 'puts on'
Damn, Nicholas Hoult is gorgeous.
Lily Collins is gorgeous
lily is stunning but idk i’m straight and man that guy is gorgeous unbiased opinion
both are absolutely GORGEOUS
Nicholas was ALWAYS charming and handsome, as teen and as an adult ! He is BEAUTIFUL!
As someone whose mothertongue is German, "tolkeen" seemed the obvious way to pronounce it - "ie" in German is called the "long i", and it always sounds like "ee".
So, it's Doctor "Frahnkehnsteen," not Doctor "Fraynkihnstaheen?"
@@RubelliteFae Fránkénsteyn, actually. "ei" sounds like "eye".
@@sailiealquadacil1284 Ohhh, got my ei and ie mixed up
@@RubelliteFae Yup ^^ Careful about that. Wien and Wein are two different things ^^
For German "ei"/"ie", take the second letter and use its English pronunciation (aye/ee). Easy to remember.
4:49 The most comic accurate moment in X-Men history at least for beast is from behind the scenes. Typical.
Man... it's impossible to tell anymore if someone is British or American in a movie, LOL. Nicholas Hoult plays an American in X-men, but a Brit in Tolkein. Lily Collins I assumed was British but then an American accent comes out, WUT.
I thought Beast is X-men 3 was pretty fucking accurate.
@@nahor88 What? They're on about the fact that Beast is painting...
About a Boy is officially About a Man
100 %
I loved their performances. The movie was beautiful, tragic, and triumphant.
Edith and J.R.R. Tolkien... the original Beren and Lúthien.
It's written on their graves.
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I still need to finish that book.
Got to see the advanced showing with the fiancé with the Q&A with Stephen. It’s a beautiful movie!
Tinuviel!
Robin Hislop it was deleted
Lily Collins would be perfect as Audrey Hepburn. I think she is the spitten image of her.
That is some amazing winged eyeliner on Collins. Jeez!
In 1973 I had knee surgery. Back then, they were butchers & rehab was a month in a cast. I was 12 & not a big reader. I started reading the Hobbit & then the Lord of the Rings. By the time I finished I was a voracious reader. At no point in time since, have I not been in the middle of a book.
Holy shit, someone else acknowledges that the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers exists
@@FlameAdder
Loved those guys. Harold Head too.
@CD Smith
It was true 40 years ago & still true today.
General Roach MacArthur: "There's a million more where that one came from." one of my faves.
Dang, knee surgery at age 12...that's tough.
God, Nicholas Hoult is so dreamyyyyy
Im related to Tolkien. Hes my great great uncle. Unfortunately never met him. Died a long time before i was born.
Sure mate
The 'cellar door' scene is excellent. Hoult absolutely brings to life Tolkien's imaginative process.
I've always pronounced it, "Tolkeen," as my parents did. It was surprising to me that such an aficionado, and fan, of Tolkien's writing, as Stephen is, did not already know that. My friend Rick, also an avid fan of Tolkien's writing, has also pronounced it, "Tolkeen," since I met him in 9th grade.
But, I also have always pronounced either as, "eye-ther," and neither as, "nye-ther,"
I basically followed Nicholas's whole life because I watched him on About a Boy when I was a kid, then in Skins as a teenager and as Beast in my early twenties. It was prolly the same for a lot of viewers.
Skins RUINED ME but I loved it anyways.
The main reason I clicked on this interview was because of Hoult's role in About a Boy. I love that movie.
I really like that movie too. The book it was based on is a great read also.
Hoult has grown up from that boy into being a gentleman and a very good actor.
so happy he showed that picture of Nicholas as a young boy the majority of people mention him in Skins so i wonder how many people have watched "About A Boy"
the second picture he posted on his Instagram!
I've always loved 'Cellar door' after I reading that Tolkien found it to be the most beautiful phrase in the English language.
Donnie Darko~
Where's Cellardor located in relation to Gondor and Mordor?
Amstetten, Austria i believe.
I mean... Tolkien wasn't wrong about how lovely it sounded.
Having grown up in England, I actually *heard* 'tolkeen' every time Stephen had said 'tolkin' in the past, probably because I expected him to pronounce it correctly, so that's what my brain made me hear. It was news to me that he'd been saying it wrong!
She 30!?!?
*cries in 36*
Really? They both look like they're 25 or so.
She is beautiful.
He’s 29 and has a baby 👶
I still remember her as Collins in The Blind Side (2009). It's been a decade already?!
@@madamballiyilemanorogi1395 i understood that reference
I love Lily so, so, SOOOO much that I cannot even count how much omg
My late wife taught Tolkien’s works in High school English. Fantasy and Science Fiction.
It was quite popular with the students and filled up quickly🤩
That, and maybe your wife was a smokehouse whose class all the kids wanted to be in! ;)
May she rest in peace
LakeVermilionDreams
Actually you’ve probably seen a few of her kids on the silver screen.
Adrika Singh
She rests in her favorite spot
the waters of Madeline Island.
Thanks.
Lily’s so talented and stunning like always❗️♥️
they would make a great couple! Also, Hoult is top notch, he deserves more gigs
L C He is very picky because he can be.
I've always said "Tolkeen", but I'm German so we pronounce an "ie" like that.
im german too and i've still pronounced it "Tolkinn" all my life.
yes I learned German for a few years, and so I have the rule stuck in my head that for the diphthong 'ei' and 'ie' you pronounce the second letter how we would say it in English.
So obviously for me, Tolkien you would say the letter e. For the word meine, say the letter i.
It's nice having rules in German where the exceptions don't outnumber the examples where the rule is followed!
The way Americans pronounce Harvey Weinstein is just confusing lol
It is a German name in fact, so your pronunciation is correct.
I'm Dutch, same here
Still better than pronouncing every letter (Tol-ki-en) like in Hungarian 😂
I knew they would be coming here. How could they not.
Stephen booked the entire sofa for them 💕😂
Haven't even finished the video, but I am AMAZED and completely staggered and so touched by the fact, he was as active as he never is and totally fan-boying unto the two experts of Stephens favorite human being ever to live
Jeez. He's geeking out just as he announces their names! 😂💙
I love how excited Stephen is 😊
Saw it yesterday, my expectations were not high, THE MOVIE WAS SO GOOD!
This was great. You can really tell that Stephen wants to be there and is enthralled with the guests' experience working on the film. One of the last bastions of hope in late night.
Tolkien didn't write Tauriel folks!!!! Keep it secret, KEEP IT SAFE!!!!
It kinda annoyed me when she said that Tauriel is based on Edith Bratt
Edith was the inspiration for Lúthien Tinúviel not Tauriel!
Tauriel was made up for the Hobbit film anyway, I was thinking maybe Peter Jackson took inspiration from Lúthien for her
I was just going to say this! It bothered me so much :D
@@worrywirt I think that's a bit generous of you, haha
What a beautiful couple!!!! Both extremely good looking
Cant wait to watch this movie! Thanks for hosting the actos Colbert!
It has been forever I always said Tolk-eeen .... glad to know I am right in the pronunciation.
I just want to rewatch it to see stephen super happy
7:38 I hope the interview from the festival will be available online - I want to see it just for Colbert's excitement alone.
Also, Lily Collins's eyeliner game is super on point here.
His skin is perfect wtf..
Lily Collins is just too attractive, I can't watch her for too long. It makes my heart hurt.
Same
OMG she is perfect!! flawless
Omg lily is my new favorite actress, so beautiful, such a stunning woman
I am sooooo excited to see the film, I can`t wait it!!!!
I was always confused by English speaker saying the name differently but just assumed that we say it wrong here. Glad to have clearity finally
Okay. Nicholas Hoult does watercolours in Tolkien's style while in Beast costume. I'm officially in love with the guy now.
Great job! I saw the movie today, you two were amazing!!!👍😊
I never thought about the fact that the English speaking world would pronounce Tolkien very differently because in Dutch IE is a very clear EE sound so for us the right way to pronounce his name is very clear
Thought so too, same thing in German 😅
I remember watching that movie and being about the same age too. It's amazing how little I've done with my life in comparison!
OOOOOOOHHH he is the same guy from About a boy.... I LOVE that actor
Hoult's face shining brighter than Lily's here~~
Colbert's giddiness is something I can watch all day.
I learned the proper pronunciation of the name when Elijah Wood said the /tol-KEEN/ during an acceptance speech when The Return of the King won. I think it was at the Oscars.
During that outro Lily was like DAMN he still said it wrong 😂😂
just wow, 2 humans who find each other from the beginning and spend their lives together as best friends. SO RARE and I'm so jealous. AND Nicholas Holt was that goofy kid in About a Boy!?!? I didnt make the connection! that ugly duckling turned into an amazing swan, love him in The Great.
The ‘Tolkien/Heinlein’ opposite pronunciation thing is because of both names’ Germanic roots - in German, ‘ei’ is pronounced like ‘eye’, whilst ‘ie’ is like ‘ee’; weirdly, I started out pronouncing Tolkien as tol-kee-uhn, with a diphthong
Yep. I always pronounced it that way too. ... except I prefer boxers ... ;D
Absolutely can't wait to see the movie!
Just rented and watched last night and it was really good, even though I never read any of his books.
7:33 Just got my ticket to the screening! There were only 10 seats were left in row ZZ... last row, upper balcony, stuck in the corner... but BY GOD, I'll be there at the Montclair showing 5/7! Wish I saw this video sooner!
C U Next Tuesday, Stephen!
Have fun!
@@TamannaDas Awesome, thanks! Pretty grateful, crappy as the seat may be, that it was there so I can see Colbert geek out!
@@BradCozine Something better than nothing!
@@BradCozine Something's better than nothing!
Interesting movie concept. Also, good job Phil Collins magnum opus for sure
Both of them are adorable and beautiful people
The only Colbert videos I can watch.
1:13 I've got a fever, the only proscription: MOAR COWBELL!
you had me at "Stephen nerds out"
At first I thought this would be about the LotR series on amazon and I was hyped, but I didn't know there was a Tolkien movie coming so yeah, nice I guess
me too haha
I love Nerdy, in-love-with-stories Stephen!
Weirdly enough, when I started reading the books in high school (early 2000s), my friends and I always pronounced it as "tol-key-en". I never knew it wasn't that! Trippy. Now I have to re-wire, too.
Lovely...just lovely!
Wow 😩 Wonderful I love them ❤️
What a day, what a lovely day!
I can't wait to see this movie!!!!
The most crushable girl I've ever seen..... It's just so hard to avoid that cupid's arrow.
It is so cool that many generations can grow up with the same story. That is quite unique. Me and my brothers have been growing up watching the Lord of the Rings and my mom and her brother also grow up with Lord of the rings, reading the books. It is so cool that Tokiens work is just as famous now as in the beginning. Lord of the rings are always going to be popular. Tolkien is a legend.
the cutest interview ever, just beautiful people sharing their passions
Whenever I hear Nicholas Hoult speak, I think the human race might have a chance.
Good one!
Loved Hault in Fury Road! Great guy.
bless the couch
Just seen the movie and you can almost see him channeling Hugh Grant in a few parts (the romantic ones of course) and also Stephen Fry. Realising he was the "About a Boy" and it all makes sense.
It should be noted that Tolkien's surviving family have said that they were not consulted about the film, that they don't think it's an accurate representation of his life and work, and that they do not endorse the film. I'm surprised Stephen didn't mention the controversy over the film since he's a "super fan".
Movies are works of art. Art is subjective, not absolute.
Biographies are often not approved by the family because the family have a particular understanding of their family member but they also have a bond which impacts the ability to clearly observe that person. I'm not saying they are right or wrong in feeling it was inaccurate, but they would (doing the same) also produce something inaccurate but perhaps in different respects.
How have I not heard about this...
She is so beautiful! Holy cow
So I've been pronouncing his name right since the first time 😎
I don't get how anyone pronounces it wrong. People are lazy when it comes to words.
Also, they throw around the word "ironically" way too much, and rarely use it properly.
i f*cking love nicholas hoult.😭😭😭😭💕💕💕
nice to see tony's doing well after the accident!
Tolkun and Heinlun are two of my favourite authors.
Whoaaaaa handsome and beautiful ,they re so attractive
Hollywood. it's not realistic, nor what the really look like. You've only ever seen them after their ultra hair and make up preparation. Do not compare yourself to them. It's not real, they're regular humans too.
Let's stop for a minute and appreciate that The Beast wrote a book that was turned into a movie starring Magneto as a wizard.
Now THAT was a gorgeous couple.....