@@Phenomix every tower that was exclusive at some point: Dartling gunner & spike factory (introduced in btd 4 expansion pack, later added to btd 4) Engineer and bloonchipper (introduced in btd 5 deluxe, added to btd 5 when deluxe was discontinued) Engineer, Dartling gunner, Mermonkey (introduced to btd 6 in Thier respective updates)
When I was younger I got to near round 500 on monkey lane (17 temples I remember, it took a lot of finagling) before my poor little iPad could not handle another round without crashing. Glad to see someone was able to push this a lot farther, great video!
Great video! Also, 5:28, it's just that bloons doesn't work how you think it does. Bloons isn't laggy because it eats your PC, like most other laggy games, it's because of how horrible the game's code (which also applies to BTD6) is. As you may know (or not), most modern CPUs utilize multiple cores to distribute the tasks and speed up the process instead of having 1 super powerful core. Bloons for some reason, can only run in 1 core, so essentially, Bloons has only 1/8-1/10th of your computer to run, while the rest is not being used. That way, Bloons runs at .0001fps while your computer is like nothing. It is also not efficient at using that core, which makes it even worse. So not even a NASA supercomputer can run at a great speed. Edit: I made a mistake, it's not cores, it's threads, which are very similar, but there are more threads than cores. Not sure what they are exactly, but there are usually x1.5-2 times as many threads as cores. So in a good gaming laptop Bloons can only use 1/24th of the computing power.
That is actually insane I guess there aren't any mods that can change that or anything either? I always assumed the game had something inefficient in terms of running a bunch of checks per second or something else but I'm far from being smart with that stuff lol
@@Phenomix Yeah, the inefficiency I passed over comes exactly from that The game checks every frame for if a tower has any Bloon in range And if a projectile is hitting a Bloon So every tower and projectile is demanding of multiple calculations, per frame. Now you're restricted to only one thread, and it is a disaster. And sadly no, there aren't any mods. I don't know of this, but I think the entire code depends on this, and you would need a complete rewrite to fix it, but I can say for certain. Edit: I suggest you watch the video of MackanRules that talks about this, it is very good and goes pretty in depth, but it stays easy to understand 👍
i feel like pointing this out is kinda stupid but nasa supercomputers arent really that good, they probably have the same strengh as the average computer.
@@Avice. Yeah, a NASA supercomputer is basically millions of average computers put together. Supercomputers are not about the power of the cores, but by amount. I think the best one in the world has like 10 million.
I hate seeing dev slander over single threading their games, if you made a game with single threading in mind it is unbelievably hard to reprogram that game to be multithreaded without basically programming the game from scratch again. For BTD games I believe adding multithreading would break so many things since you can't just split up the threads of what causes the most lag, sure you could do rendering, and whatever other functions on another thread, but the heaviest load is still going to come from hit detection, which cannot be run on seperate threads as easily as people imagine without introducing a stupid amount of bugs. The architecture would need to be completely overhauled which may be something the could do with a new game, but not in its current state. I see a lot of people screaming "multithreading" without even knowing what it cam and can't do. TL:DR: Multithreading will 1. Not improve the game as much as people think unless you 2. Overcomplicate the way code is run and introduce way too many bugs to be worth it
Wow! I saw your comment on my video haha. Round 1000 without abilities is insane. I would've never guessed you could go that far without them. Very interesting watch for sure, I never considered doing lategame in this fashion. Also very clever using the bloonchipper specialty as you werent gonna use the temple ability. I dont even think I looked into the stall effect for my run, perhaps i'll look into it for my next 🤔 Anyways, thank you for mentioning my video ❤ it brings me joy to see people still pushing limits in this ancient game 😂 keep up the good work! 🔥💪
That's crazy you're planning to do another run, I take it you're gonna reclaim the record? But I honestly wonder if it's possible that the stall could be worth using over vengeful Temples, just for that extra bit of time to hit the bloons and catch them. In any case, I'm looking forward to seeing how far you end up getting!
@Phenomix it will at the very least be my last time going that far. Putting everything I know and have into this one, haha. I'm not even sure what the record is at the moment but that would be a nice bonus! I'm pretty sure round 5000+ is possible 😅 I'm definitely gonna look into the chipper stun! Very interesting
This brings back memories of seeing SJB hit round 1000 back in the day with the temple stacking glitch, it’s impressive to see where the envelope has been pushed these days
Its funny looking at how much your content has changed over the past 2 months 😭 you sound like your more confident on the mic and are able to get words straight out (unlike me) and you’ve been uploading daily bassically, Good job tho Proud to be one of your biggest Fans!
this is the first video of yours I have seen. Two things to note, it's nice to see a creator who listens to all his comments.(we don't get a lot of those on this platform anymore. And second I can barely pass R300 on the switch, the only one in the series on the Nintendo console. It takes several minutes to pass a single round. And the strategy I used involved a lot of ring of fires and laser cannons on the garden map.
I definitely try to at least read every comment, even if I don't always have a good reply to respond with. I appreciate you noticing that! Playing on the Switch definitely doesn't sound ideal though, I think that BTD5 and 6 are coded inefficiently (according to another comment I got) so they don't even run optimally on high end computers let alone a console version.
@@Phenomix when you start off with low end products, you don't know how bad they are. At least when I did play I had fun, not knowing the difference. And yes it lags after 150.
I remember the leaderboards on mobile version of bloons td 5, showing people who has went to round 3572773746263774 or something, which is clearly no cheats or anything lmao.
That's so funny to think about lol I've seen the old leaderboards on the Flash Archive and it's a similar story. I'm surprised the game didn't stop them at the 32 bit integer limit or something though
I forgot to mention this when the video first came out, but when you’re placing your temples you want to temporarily deactivate the super monkey specialist building because the building increases the range, which prevents you from filling more temples on the map
I looked into BTD5 high rounds a bit more, and the highest round reached without abilities is 1081 by Gakm4, posted on a steam thread. On express shipping, it’s actually possible to fit a lot more temples than what you currently placed (the most I could fit is 17), so higher rounds without abilities are possible. I would imagine 1081 is pretty close to the limit though.
I think the farthest I got with my old laptop was round 410. Unfortunately, NK couldn't transfer my account for BTD5 for whatever reason, but it did BTD6. I was #19 on the planet which was cool seeing as I played every day since it came out. Last I checked, I was down to #31 I think. I started over on my desktop, but haven't spent near as much time on it. Seeing round 1000 was awesome though. I never thought it would be possible on a laptop. Almost 3000 is just insane!
Ray of Doom "only" does one damage every frame, and freeplay's MOAB speed and hp increase eventually make it so that the ZOMGs get to the exit in less frames than they have hp (for example, if they'd get to the exit in 4000 frames, they would only need 4001 hp to make it to the end). Some form of MOAB stun becomes an absolute requirement past round 200, no matter what map or difficulty you're playing on; its why the bloonchipper with the workshop is the best tower, after the temple.
with abilities, you could get so unbelievably far, but i dont think anyone wants to sit there activating abilities for hours upon hours, these abilities include: overclock, call to arms, temple ability, absolute zero, sabotage supply lines
Yeah that's what Jort did in his run that I included at the end, you can also use the support chinook to farm lives all the way up to the interger limit
Hi! I love ur videos! I am looking to start recording videos on a older computer. Is there a way that I can optimise obs to get better footage or get better recordings in another way?
I think that "How far can I get in BTD5" would be a better title than "How far can you get in BTD5", since the latter implies a theoretical maximum round, where in this video you admitted that other people got further than you using more optimized strategies and that this was more of a personal challenge.
Well this is the 2nd time someone has gotten to round 1,000 without special abilities, and I think it's an interesting subversion of expectation to realize you can actually farm billions of lives in order to survive insanely long
I think the furthest I ever got was round 268 on Lobby, I mostly just spammed the death lasers with a bunch of tack shooters, glaive lords, and bloonchippers as backup My game would lag so much it’d take like 20 minutes for one round lmao
Wait in late rounds very later do the bloons increase hp cuz I feel like in late game bloonchippers struggle. Cuz it says they only spawn infinite till lag
It was just because I ended up changing my experiment to see how far I could go without abilities once I realized how much further other people have gone by using better strategies than me
Answer: pretty far. I was NOT expecting round 1 thousand. Free play rounds seem a lot easier in btd5 than in btd6 because there are no bads or ddts, i definitely think you could’ve gone past round 1700 given enough time. Thats just too long tho lol
Seeing the MOAB's fly out of the Bloonchippers made me think they were spawning them I was so confused😭
Hi
Bruh
I love seeing btd5 content more than half a decade into btd6s lifespan
I'm one of the few still doing it I think but I really love the game!
@@Phenomix I don’t think a BTD7 will come out lol considering all of the new BTD6 towers
@@TornadoTrick in a q&a, ninjakiwi said he will not make a btd7 bc btd6 is all he wanted for this game, now he will just update it
@@Cibrasteyeah that might happen honestly but I think I’m ok with that. Maybe in many more years but who knows
Crazy innit
"Plus we didnt have the bloonchipper in the flash version" I can relate, we also dont have the engineer
Good point bro they really added 2 of the best towers as exclusives lol
@@Phenomix every tower that was exclusive at some point:
Dartling gunner & spike factory (introduced in btd 4 expansion pack, later added to btd 4)
Engineer and bloonchipper (introduced in btd 5 deluxe, added to btd 5 when deluxe was discontinued)
Engineer, Dartling gunner, Mermonkey (introduced to btd 6 in Thier respective updates)
@jezierskioliwier2212 what about beast handler?
@@jonathantonner4263 sorry, i forgor
@jezierskioliwier2212 no prob! Just making sure my own memory hasn't messed up yet
A game made in 2011 still having relevance today is a sign of a great game
That's a great point, Ninja Kiwi really did a great job
When I was younger I got to near round 500 on monkey lane (17 temples I remember, it took a lot of finagling) before my poor little iPad could not handle another round without crashing. Glad to see someone was able to push this a lot farther, great video!
17 Temples is insane though, and I'm glad you enjoyed, thanks for watching!
I find it silly how all of these moabs fly around the map endlessly.
Also thanks for the video, you are very underrated man.
Great video!
Also, 5:28, it's just that bloons doesn't work how you think it does. Bloons isn't laggy because it eats your PC, like most other laggy games, it's because of how horrible the game's code (which also applies to BTD6) is.
As you may know (or not), most modern CPUs utilize multiple cores to distribute the tasks and speed up the process instead of having 1 super powerful core.
Bloons for some reason, can only run in 1 core, so essentially, Bloons has only 1/8-1/10th of your computer to run, while the rest is not being used. That way, Bloons runs at .0001fps while your computer is like nothing.
It is also not efficient at using that core, which makes it even worse.
So not even a NASA supercomputer can run at a great speed.
Edit: I made a mistake, it's not cores, it's threads, which are very similar, but there are more threads than cores. Not sure what they are exactly, but there are usually x1.5-2 times as many threads as cores. So in a good gaming laptop Bloons can only use 1/24th of the computing power.
That is actually insane I guess there aren't any mods that can change that or anything either? I always assumed the game had something inefficient in terms of running a bunch of checks per second or something else but I'm far from being smart with that stuff lol
@@Phenomix Yeah, the inefficiency I passed over comes exactly from that
The game checks every frame for if a tower has any Bloon in range
And if a projectile is hitting a Bloon
So every tower and projectile is demanding of multiple calculations, per frame. Now you're restricted to only one thread, and it is a disaster.
And sadly no, there aren't any mods. I don't know of this, but I think the entire code depends on this, and you would need a complete rewrite to fix it, but I can say for certain.
Edit: I suggest you watch the video of MackanRules that talks about this, it is very good and goes pretty in depth, but it stays easy to understand 👍
i feel like pointing this out is kinda stupid but nasa supercomputers arent really that good, they probably have the same strengh as the average computer.
@@Avice. Yeah, a NASA supercomputer is basically millions of average computers put together. Supercomputers are not about the power of the cores, but by amount.
I think the best one in the world has like 10 million.
I hate seeing dev slander over single threading their games, if you made a game with single threading in mind it is unbelievably hard to reprogram that game to be multithreaded without basically programming the game from scratch again.
For BTD games I believe adding multithreading would break so many things since you can't just split up the threads of what causes the most lag, sure you could do rendering, and whatever other functions on another thread, but the heaviest load is still going to come from hit detection, which cannot be run on seperate threads as easily as people imagine without introducing a stupid amount of bugs. The architecture would need to be completely overhauled which may be something the could do with a new game, but not in its current state.
I see a lot of people screaming "multithreading" without even knowing what it cam and can't do.
TL:DR: Multithreading will
1. Not improve the game as much as people think unless you
2. Overcomplicate the way code is run and introduce way too many bugs to be worth it
Loving the blimp party at 6:42
Wow! I saw your comment on my video haha. Round 1000 without abilities is insane. I would've never guessed you could go that far without them. Very interesting watch for sure, I never considered doing lategame in this fashion. Also very clever using the bloonchipper specialty as you werent gonna use the temple ability. I dont even think I looked into the stall effect for my run, perhaps i'll look into it for my next 🤔
Anyways, thank you for mentioning my video ❤ it brings me joy to see people still pushing limits in this ancient game 😂 keep up the good work! 🔥💪
That's crazy you're planning to do another run, I take it you're gonna reclaim the record? But I honestly wonder if it's possible that the stall could be worth using over vengeful Temples, just for that extra bit of time to hit the bloons and catch them. In any case, I'm looking forward to seeing how far you end up getting!
@Phenomix it will at the very least be my last time going that far. Putting everything I know and have into this one, haha. I'm not even sure what the record is at the moment but that would be a nice bonus! I'm pretty sure round 5000+ is possible 😅 I'm definitely gonna look into the chipper stun! Very interesting
This brings back memories of seeing SJB hit round 1000 back in the day with the temple stacking glitch, it’s impressive to see where the envelope has been pushed these days
I didn't know he made it to round 1k that must have been insanely difficult back then. Hats off to him!
Its funny looking at how much your content has changed over the past 2 months 😭 you sound like your more confident on the mic and are able to get words straight out (unlike me) and you’ve been uploading daily bassically, Good job tho Proud to be one of your biggest Fans!
Thank you so much for the kind words! It really means a lot that you've seen the channel grow the last 2 months
this is the first video of yours I have seen. Two things to note, it's nice to see a creator who listens to all his comments.(we don't get a lot of those on this platform anymore. And second I can barely pass R300 on the switch, the only one in the series on the Nintendo console. It takes several minutes to pass a single round. And the strategy I used involved a lot of ring of fires and laser cannons on the garden map.
I definitely try to at least read every comment, even if I don't always have a good reply to respond with. I appreciate you noticing that! Playing on the Switch definitely doesn't sound ideal though, I think that BTD5 and 6 are coded inefficiently (according to another comment I got) so they don't even run optimally on high end computers let alone a console version.
@@Phenomix when you start off with low end products, you don't know how bad they are. At least when I did play I had fun, not knowing the difference. And yes it lags after 150.
I love the way it looks with the moabs just flying all over the place because of the chippers.
For real lol it is really funny
I'm glad you did this btd6 is already solved atm and previous btd games are a bit too simple
Mackan also made a video covering the limits of BTD4 so this game seemed to be the perfect choice, thanks for watching!
Next video: How far can you go in all BTD games?
I'm thinking I could maybe do a couple more installments of this video for the other games and then do a final video with them all together
I think btd 4 has a round limit of 255
The limit on btd6 is 1000+(no joke, with the custom map ofc)
Well btd1 and 2 have no freeplay, and btd3 I heard has a cap of 150. BTD4 it’s just 255 like someone mentioned above
The max theoretical limit with no caps would be the 32 bit integer limit
The world record is actually 3000. There’s no video on RUclips but it’s on the ninja kiwi discord server :)
Thank you for letting me know! I wasn't aware of that record
@Phenomix before that (also in the nk discord) it was 2728.
Apparently you mentioned this lol. Didn't realize he had a vid about it.
I remember the leaderboards on mobile version of bloons td 5, showing people who has went to round 3572773746263774 or something, which is clearly no cheats or anything lmao.
That's so funny to think about lol I've seen the old leaderboards on the Flash Archive and it's a similar story. I'm surprised the game didn't stop them at the 32 bit integer limit or something though
I forgot to mention this when the video first came out, but when you’re placing your temples you want to temporarily deactivate the super monkey specialist building because the building increases the range, which prevents you from filling more temples on the map
Ohhh yeah of course!
Round 2729 Speed = 53.88x Base Speed
That's insane!
Someone got to round 3000, it’s on the ninja kiwi BTD 5 discord
The insanity of late rounds are too much
my guy!
@SansF22di subbed to his membership. 99 cents a month! Lol
Yessir
please keep making btd5 content, i love btd5 its so much simpler than 6
I'm really glad people have been enjoying the older games!
@@Phenomix yessir
I was recently playing this on my Xbox and unlocked Double Cash Mode, it made the game a whole lot easier, getting medals on Hard and Impoppable
It really makes the game go from insanely difficult to trivially easy I can't lie
Great video man
Thanks! I really appreciate you being such a long term supporter
On round 1000, bloons move 21 times faster than normal.
I looked into BTD5 high rounds a bit more, and the highest round reached without abilities is 1081 by Gakm4, posted on a steam thread. On express shipping, it’s actually possible to fit a lot more temples than what you currently placed (the most I could fit is 17), so higher rounds without abilities are possible. I would imagine 1081 is pretty close to the limit though.
That's really awesome to know, thanks for telling me! It might be possible for me to get there at some point if I ever feel so inclined.
Dang bro you are a legend
Aye man thanks for saying that!
finnaly WHAT I WANTED
I think the farthest I got with my old laptop was round 410. Unfortunately, NK couldn't transfer my account for BTD5 for whatever reason, but it did BTD6. I was #19 on the planet which was cool seeing as I played every day since it came out. Last I checked, I was down to #31 I think. I started over on my desktop, but haven't spent near as much time on it. Seeing round 1000 was awesome though. I never thought it would be possible on a laptop. Almost 3000 is just insane!
Why did you not use villages, I’m sure you already know this but they boost attack speed of towers in the radius.
I actually did have a 2,4 village in the center, I think I just didn't mention it which is my bad
Use Ray of Doom and darting specialist. You will last forever. Spam the Ray of dooms.
Ray of Doom "only" does one damage every frame, and freeplay's MOAB speed and hp increase eventually make it so that the ZOMGs get to the exit in less frames than they have hp (for example, if they'd get to the exit in 4000 frames, they would only need 4001 hp to make it to the end). Some form of MOAB stun becomes an absolute requirement past round 200, no matter what map or difficulty you're playing on; its why the bloonchipper with the workshop is the best tower, after the temple.
nah ray of doom is terrible against zomgs even with infinite pierce.
Btd 5 is so nostalgic😢
great vid, great effort, thanks
with abilities, you could get so unbelievably far, but i dont think anyone wants to sit there activating abilities for hours upon hours, these abilities include:
overclock, call to arms, temple ability, absolute zero, sabotage supply lines
Yeah that's what Jort did in his run that I included at the end, you can also use the support chinook to farm lives all the way up to the interger limit
Ur laptop is a beast(ps you should do btd6
6:41 Tripping balls 😂
Im gonna try to best this without max monkey lab, i have like level 8 on starting cash and lives
Hi! I love ur videos! I am looking to start recording videos on a older computer. Is there a way that I can optimise obs to get better footage or get better recordings in another way?
I'm not sure to be honest, I'm not very well educated when it comes to optimizing software
@@Phenomix o yeah no worries. Keep up the good work!
I see potential in this channel in investing at 1.38k subs
ice and ninja are needed.
I think that "How far can I get in BTD5" would be a better title than "How far can you get in BTD5", since the latter implies a theoretical maximum round, where in this video you admitted that other people got further than you using more optimized strategies and that this was more of a personal challenge.
Well this is the 2nd time someone has gotten to round 1,000 without special abilities, and I think it's an interesting subversion of expectation to realize you can actually farm billions of lives in order to survive insanely long
@@Phenomix So "How far can you get in BTD5 without special abilities", then?
later than late vibes here
Ultra-late game
I think the furthest I ever got was round 268 on Lobby, I mostly just spammed the death lasers with a bunch of tack shooters, glaive lords, and bloonchippers as backup
My game would lag so much it’d take like 20 minutes for one round lmao
Was it on Mobile, cause I imagine the lag would be absolutely insane lol. Thankfully the Steam Version isn't quite so bad
@ it was yeah, iPhone 5c
under 1 hour gang AND 4th comment. Also, great video, keep it up man.
btd 5 content is so underrated
Thanks!
4:28 carpal syndrome intensifies
Diesel Patches, is that really you?
Can't wait for someone to reach wave 2763
World record is currently 3000, it’s posted in the nk discord
How many pops do the temples have though 💀
They only have 1-3m each cause their damage doesn't get counted in this game. If damaged counted it would be over 10 billion
what kinda laptop u got? Mine crashed when I got to round 500
I have a Lenovo Slim Pad 7i, been the best laptop I've ever owned by far but also the most expensive by far
I never played btd 5 but I do play btd battles, does the ninja, ice and glue not slow bloons down? And then also the sniper can daze bloons
Nvm, I just realised you went for no abilities
The ice and glue also can't affect MOAB class bloons in this version which is pretty crazy
You should had deactivated the super monkey building before building your other temple. Also 4 Ninja would help for the ability.
Wait in late rounds very later do the bloons increase hp cuz I feel like in late game bloonchippers struggle.
Cuz it says they only spawn infinite till lag
Yep, they begin increasing in HP once you enter freeplay mode on round 101
can you not overclock the temples?
You definitely can, I just didn't end up using abilities in my run
Why no ninjas or ice monkeys? Just a few of them can slow the bloons by a lot. You can set up a macro to activate the abilities while afk
It was just because I ended up changing my experiment to see how far I could go without abilities once I realized how much further other people have gone by using better strategies than me
Hey Phenomix did you know that bloons monkey city has the dark temple
VTSG melts everything.
Those ZOMGS are tankier as a round 200 BAD or 211.
We don't have the VTSG in BTD5 though 😅
@@Phenomix The ability makes it look like it.
I see why the bloon chipper isn’t in btd6
Wait, you can switch speciality buildings mid-level? :o
You can switch them in the middle of a game just not in the middle of a specific round
Answer: pretty far. I was NOT expecting round 1 thousand. Free play rounds seem a lot easier in btd5 than in btd6 because there are no bads or ddts, i definitely think you could’ve gone past round 1700 given enough time. Thats just too long tho lol
How far do you think you could get without specialist buildings or monkey lab?
That's a good question, I'd also have to turn off premium upgrades then
I don't know if I am hearing things but you sound exactly like another youtuber "Diesel Patches"
That's really funny I've never had someone tell me that before but I'll have to check out his videos now.
@@Phenomix It's almost uncanny how similar both of you sound to each other. Must be a small world
My record was 678 on my note 4 on 3 times around and a map full of rays of doom I had to quit the run because my phone couldn't keep up
That's pretty amazing that Ray of Doom can go that far tbh
Once I get a steam copy ima see how fair that same strategy can really go
Can I see an image? Because I doubt ray of doom can make it that far
Un día vi el canal de un anciano que llegó hasta la ronda 836 creo
That's insane! It takes forever to get that far for sure
I got 4 max temples on monkey lane and died on round 152 probably due to randomness
Mb you could go with an absolute zero and sabo to go further
avarage bananza in btd battle 1
BMC monkeys on BTD5 vid thumnail. Literally unplayable
For some reason the cover art for BTD5 features those graphics
The world record is actually 3000
Thanks for informing me!
@@Phenomix yeah it was done by araadfh
World record is 2500 rounds i think
Drake comment
Monka
Laptop 💀
Thank you phenomix