Is Ratatouille Better Than Rise of the Resistance?
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
- I’ve recently been quite negative about the state of the Disney parks because the company has just enacted a slate of anti-consumer policies and I really do think the majority of their new additions to the parks fail to meet the Disney standard. So, to contrast this, I did want to do a video focusing on more positive aspects of the parks and yet I found myself completely surprised on where I would find it. I recently went and rode Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure at Epcot for passholder preview and I have to say that I actually really like it, making it the perfect topic to take things in a more positive direction. I liked it so much in fact, that I have to wonder: Is Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure better than Rise of the Resistance? I certainly think so. It may be a cloned attraction, but I think it actually makes sense for the France pavilion and I was surprised by how different it feels from Disney’s other trackless dark rides. So, today I’m interested in analyzing this attraction and breaking down why it’s such a surprise win for Epcot.
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You are absolutely right about the missed opportunities in MMRR. Heat, sprinklers, more car-movements, cotton candy and popcorn scents... wow. The ride itself is not "bad" by any means, but it could be much better, even coming with the hard mission of replacing a beloved classic. Back in the days, that was called "plussing", a concept long lost in the current Disney administration. I'm really looking forward to the end of the Iger-Chapek Era.
No, I certainly don't think that Runaway Railway is bad per se, but I still feel it's a hollow and contrived experience and definitely doesn't live up the legacy of The Great Movie Ride.
@@PoseidonEntertainment absolutely.
There was a study done that proposed people are more friendly, kinder, and optimistic when they smell fresh bread. It seemed to hold true to us in challenging circumstances. Perhaps you like this ride so much because it ends with a fresh bread smell. It's warm, nostalgic, and happy.
That... could definitely be a factor in why I enjoyed this ride so much.
Quoting Mr. Proust "A la recherche du temps perdu"....ah...those madeleines...
Did the study propose people were happier around bread or did it say proposed people are happier around bread
I can’t help but compare the amazing rides at the Disney parks in Asian and be so disappointed at the ones in the USA.
It’s like everything about cheap rides with no creativity or innovation.
That's why Disneysea is the best one in the world.
meanwhile Paris is just ....trash overall
@@animeleek I only like the phantom manor just because it has a darker take on haunted mansion LMAO
I only like grizzly gulch and mystic manor from Hong Kong everything else is just fine
The best one is the Pirates of the Caribbean in Shanghai Disneyland.
I definitely agree about the trackless ride section being better but for me especially as a non SW fan the most "innovative" part of RotR was that you get into the story before getting onto the ride vehicle. I wish more rides created this without just having a pre-show scene in a small room like most rides. Beyond that I loved the scale of RotR (though I feel like the stormtrooper room is rushed given it is so impressive and takes up a lot of room). The rest just needs more to look at than bland hallways and the kylo scene at the end didn't feel very climactic
I agree that the overall pre-show experience does go above and beyond with Rise. The Resistance ship itself is also pretty impressive effect.
I'm on the opposite side of that argument. I've come to loathe the whole "story" nonsense of these newer rides. They're always exceedingly cheesy, badly scripted, and badly acted, especially in the so-called "pre-show" areas. Maybe if you're 6 that works. But, as an an adult it screams "lame". I just want a ride. Keep all the other stuff. I wish they had an express line that bypassed all the pre-show nonsense and deposited you right at the boarding area. THAT might be worth an upcharge.
@@e.l.norton adults are lame
@@e.l.norton then go to six flags my dude
@@e.l.norton ay bro, you might want to go to six flags instead Disney, you seem to miss the point of the place
Fun fact: you were actually supposed to go around a tornado in runaway railway. Unfortunately, the ride vehicles were too big by a foot or so for the room, So the imaginers had to have it just go past the tornado instead of around it.
What is with Disney and all screen rides? Universal is giving us animatronic with life of pets and Disney is just giving us screens 🥺
Universal LISTENS to their customers. Disney couldn’t care less because they know their brand will still bring income
Rise of the Resistance is not a screen ride.
Universal has plenty of screen rides. Two of the Harry Potter rides are screen based.
Transformers, Minions, both Harry Potter rides, Simpsons, Spider-Man, are all screen rides so don’t act like Universal has never made a screen ride lol
@@djnfbrhkelkondwvb6853 Minions is awful. Used to be Hannah Barbera. They just reskinned it. Giant screen, room full of simulators. Just terrible.
It's like the two companies LEGITAMENTLY switched spots, Universal used to be all screens, but look at them now. Disney used to be the opposite, but they managed to do what Universal used to be. This is kind of a crazy coincidence to be honest.
Where they lost me was the “floor” of the trackless dark ride. The floor of the kitchen (and screens) is checker tiled while the ride is just concrete. I realize most other tdr’s are concrete, but this would be a great time to innovate in flooring options.
It didn't bother me because the floor isn't noticeable unless you're specifically looking for it. It's not the best executed transition, but I think it's more than acceptable.
I've ridden Ratatouille several times in Paris and I never understood the hype. I think it's...fine.
I don't really care for the film in the first place so maybe that's it, but the ride just felt like transporting you between large screens.
Yeah I'm so tired of all these rides that just have you looking at screens or animated projections. But Flight of Passage and Soarin' I both like for about the same reason, and the gameplay element of Toy Story Mania is addictive as hell so I give it a pass
I completely agree with you about how these rides would be more engaging and exciting if our senses were being met. Having movement, smells, and touch added puts the rider IN the ride. You feel a part of the experience rather than a bystander watching it all go by.
Totally agree, and I feel like some of these effects wouldn't be too difficult to add. Maybe there are safety concerns or limitations to the vehicles' movements that we don't know about, but adding scent does not seem challenging.
Remy's Ratatouille Adventure quickly became my favorite ride at EPCOT. It has the most cohesive story at the park, and that's kind of sad when you think about it!
I agree. I haven't been back since my preview day, but I've even heard that Virtual Queue availability is pretty easy to get. It's refreshing that a fun, but D-level attraction isn't being bombarded by absolutely everyone.
I have ridden it and agree that the sensory effects are great, but Rise and Mickeys are still a little more enjoyable because without the 3D glasses it feels more real. Plus the masks make the 3D Glasses fog up which is hard to enjoy the experience. I think that Remys would be even better minus 3D Great video and I enjoy your content!
I'm not sure if the attraction would work without the 3D. I look at something like Minion Mayhem at Universal and it really suffers without it. Granted, I think that the space should have been completely repurposed a long time ago, but the removal of the 3D took it from an "okay" experience to a "poor" one.
I totally get what you’re saying in that Ratatouille is a better themed ride experience and it’s placement within EPCOT fits the France/World Showcase theming. I’m hoping to ride this next month for the first time, but I’m not necessarily expecting it to be a more fun ride compared to ROTR. But what I’ve always loved about Disney parks & attractions is their attention to thematic elements, and it seems like this ride incorporates many tiny details that most people would miss because of how subtle and well placed they are within the ride. As someone who studied design, a key element of successful theming is paying attention to the details that often get overlooked because they are not essential to the function of a space. Those are usually first to go when budget cuts have to be made. So it can definitely be refreshing to see an attraction include these small details that don’t always make it to the finished product. Great video analysis!
I went on it in Paris. It's solid and I hope you enjoy it. Do NOT go in expecting it to be better than Rise of the Resistance.
From a young age, France was always my favorite pavilion at EPCOT and is one of the reasons I wound up studying the language through University! I rode this a couple years ago at WDSP and I think it is perfect at EPCOT. Not every learning experience needs to be "in your face" ans this does such a good and whimsical job of portraying French culture. The real offender in the pavilion is that God-foresaken sing along. To put it in that theatre is an insult.
Controversial take! I haven't ridden the Ratatouille ride, so I can't compare it to anything, but I like the point about the sensory experiences, the smells of the rides and the lands are so vivid to me and definitely part of the charm! The smell of the water on Pirates, and the Oranges on soarin' are some of my favorite things about Disney. That would add more immersion! Excellent point!
I think the scents are what really make Soarin' so memorable. I've ridden it with no scent and the experience is completely underwhelming. It seems like a simple thing, but because olfactory sensations are registered so strongly in the brain, I've come to believe that the inclusion of scents can completely make an attraction. Soarin' without the scents feels like a completely different experience.
@@PoseidonEntertainment Yes those sensory memories from Soarin last a lifetime, The rides that add additional sensory immersion bumps into a new level which I would think doesn't hugely increase the capitol cost or maintenance cost of an attraction?
I went on soarin last week at California adventure and with the mask mandate you can hardly smell the smells. Really makes the ride boring with this whole mask thing
This is such an interesting and refreshing commentary comparing two of Disney's newest ride offerings, especially in the context of how unaffordable (and unattainable) a Disney vacation has become for so many people. One of the things parkgoers from the 90s remember most about Horizons was the potent smell of those orange groves - myself included. I think you're absolutely onto something there about olfactory experiences enhancing a ride and solidifying a more salient memory. I recently found your channel and I'm psyched for future videos - keep up the great work!
It’s a decent c ticket, but it would really have benefited from a whole bunch of physical props, to better integrate the screens. Again it’s not bad and Epcot really should have had 4 or 5 of this level ride built over the past 20 years for WS, plus at least one e ticket. It’s kinda crazy how there’s far less stuff to do in Epcot now vs when I first went as a kid in 92.
Epcot has been stripped away of its former glory. I envy people that got to go to Epcot at its prime when all of the future world pavilions were there. I would have have loved to go to horizons and wonder of life. I was only able to go to wonders of life three years ago during food and wine and the whole thing was falling apart.
It's interesting to think that Rise of the Resistance, otherwise known as Disney's most "immersive ride" doesn't have many of the things you pointed out in the video. Although I don't really think ratatouille is all that great of a ride, it does have elements in it that bring you closer to the experience. Also, in relation to my last comment, I did a little digging into the ride vehicles and manufacturer and found that they do in fact lean in a certain direction. I swear the vehicles didn't move when I saw them in Paris, but I guess that's not the case haha, oops. I do have one question, what makes you say that ratatouille in EPCOT is a D-ticket rather than an E-ticket? Sure the ride is more towards the back of the park and isn't as thrilling as EPCOT's other rides, but what makes this a D-ticket vs an E-ticket like the Haunted Mansion or Pirates of the Caribbean? I always viewed this attraction as an E-ticket due to it's high level of theming (mostly) and the fact that it's an E-ticket in Walt Disney Studios Park in France.
I do know someone who is opening the ride and he did confirm for me that the vehicles do have a small degree of pitch. It's quite minimal, but still there as we've discovered.
My attribution of it being a D-ticket is just really a matter of how I feel it will affect the overall attraction line-up of Epcot. I don't perceive it as anything particularly ambitious and outside of the first few years of popularity, will likely feel like a supplemental experience to the park overall. In contrast, because WDSP continues to under-deliver, it's one of the few major incentives I would have to visit that park, or at least it was before it opened here and so that's a reason I consider it an E-ticket. The online attractions community also appears to just consider it a D-ticket as well, and I never really put much thought into categorizing it otherwise. At this point, the ticket rating system is so arbitrary that I just treat it as a loose label.
LMG Vids, could you please share what you've found about the manufacturer of these vehicles?
And yeah the motion base of the vehicle in Paris tends to not work. So do nearly all of the sensory effects. We'll see how long they last in Epcot.
I’m interested in hearing your ideas for other themed rides in different countries now!! I’m sure you have lots to say
Oh yes indeed. Perhaps I'll eventually do a series on how I think Epcot should be addressed.
@@PoseidonEntertainment I for one would love to see this 🙏🏼
@@PoseidonEntertainment I'm also really curious for this idea!!
I just found your channel and I love you formatting and also I love how passionate you are! Keep up the good work!
Thanks, I'm glad that you enjoy!
The rataouille ride needed way more animatronics and actual sets scenes besides the fridge room. They just copied pasted the ones in Paris and didn’t even try to improve it. It’s so sad seeing how cheap they have gotten.
It’s not that they’re cheap. They only make so much especially when they have large amounts of competition. Ratatouille is an amazing ride overall. The fact that you feel like a rat because the furniture is so big is so crazy. It doesn’t matter if it’s a copy; either way when you ride it you experience it. You live it, you can smell, hear, see, and feel like your a rat from ratatouille. Don’t hate it, just enjoy it. Plus, I’m pretty sure you haven’t experienced it. #RatLife 🐀✨
@@jack_amaa they could have added way more set pieces like the fridge room.
@@solcarlosofficial where would they have added more props / animatronics without negatively affecting the pacing of the ride?
I am so excited I found this channel. I absolutely love Disney and WDW with every fiber of my being. But I find your commentary and not always being super positive so refreshing!!
Thank you, I appreciate the support!
I agree with your assessment on Frozen in the World Showcase. But I disagree on Gran Fiesta tour because I think the imagineers did a good job of showing different parts of Mexico in the ride with the different screens. There’s an attempt and I can appreciate that.
I agree with you. I think they did a great job and it is related to the movie and Mexico. However, as a Brazilian myself, my ultimate dream is to have a Brazil Pavilion, where the Three Caballeros could continue their trip down South America, just like in the movie, in a new ride (Jose Carioca is absolutely popular here), and having the current boat ride in Mexico turned into Coco! It would be amazing and educational too. It would also give Disney a chance to fix many mistakes, like the amazing Os Quindins de Yaya scene with Donald and Aurora Miranda (Carmen's sister) in which all the dancers are white, dispite portraying the state and culture of Bahia in Brazil, where the vast majority of the population is black or mixed.
I see what you mean, but my issue is the ridiculous antics going on. The flying carpet is distracting and unnecessary from what could be an educational experience.
I was sitting here waiting for the punchline lol I thought the ride was terrible. Like Universal's most criticized screen rides but even shorter.
i feel like im getting in on the ground floor with this account. the music is incredible, the editing is smooth, the narrator is engaging and the info is well delivered. lovely vids! keep it up!
Thanks, I appreciate the support!
As someone who lives in Europe and has ridden the ride 7 (!) years ago in Paris, this is strange to hear. Still very excited to ride Rise of the Resistance but your argumentation is really solid, as always.
I don't think Rise is a bad attraction by any means, but it just doesn't really do it for me.
Rode "Rise" for the first time last week and I have to say, I agree. Rode Ratatouille in Paris and of course at Epcot last week and it's a great ride. We both were disappointed by "Rise". It's technically impressive and we had fun with the pre-show before you board the vehicles. But the ride itself is just lacking something. We also really enjoyed "Runaway Railway" for what it was.
Sensory effects/mild motion effects are always SO strong to me when on a screen heavy ride. Screens don’t feel very real to us anymore, it takes a little extra push to make it feel like you’re really there.
As someone who wears glasses already, the forcing of 3D glasses can be annoying but the effect it gives is typically worth the annoyance for the short experience (movie theaters are a different story)
But you’re right-I can still remember the smells from Soarin and Flight of Passage, it really makes you feel a part of the scene, making that screen feel like less of a projection and more like somewhere you are.
I feel like Disney did miss potential with Runaway Railway, despite how charming I find the art direction of the ride, there wasn’t a lot to do. And for it to be one of the first attractions you’ll see or do in Hollywood Studios, instead of the Great Movie Ride, it… underwhelms by a lot. It’s a good ride for little ones, sure, but the queue’s tighter spaces and the retained luxury feeling of the Chinese theater doesn’t lend itself well to the story or the accessibility for a family attraction.
It’s a rough go. I can’t imagine the situations in Disney imagineering right now.
Why do hardcore Disney parks fans ignore the fact that educational Epcot did not work. The guest did not enjoy learning on their vacation it’s an every single documentary about Epcot, therefore Epcot had to change, Epcot has been moving in this direction for decades. Less learning and science and more Disney.
I believe that the "outdated Epcot" narrative is largely a myth created by Michael Eisner to cut down attraction costs to renew sponsorships in the park. I'll probably do a video on this sometime after October.
Your channel kicks ass. The content is directed straight at theme park super-geeks, and I love it.
I was very disappointed with Ratatoutille. I loved the Rise of the Resistance tho. Hands down one of the best.
I think this is my favorite YT channel atm.
Honestly you are not wrong about the practical effects because one of the things that I like about the Spider man ride in IOA is the heat of the fire causing more tension in the scene
Completely agreed. I’ve been underwhelmed with Rise of the Resistance and Mickey’s Runaway Railway and it’s for these same reasons. Lack of pitch is HUGE and the sensory effects are lacking. I also feel the same way about Mickey’s RR bland floors/rooms lack of seamless transitions.
Ratatouille is just Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Railway with 3-d glasses.
What makes you say that?
OMGish … I agree with you 100%!
Adding scent machines are some of the most impactful and cost effective enhancement they could make to so many of their rides.
I’m loving all your videos. Please keep up the awesome work! 👏 👏 👏 ❤️
Ratatouille is such an iconic movie. With this new ride it just got a whole upgrade. With the amazing smells and the ride itself it is the definition of exquisite. I enjoy these rides and hope for more, I would say though Rise of the Resistance is more intense with the track drop and the absolutely crazy queue. Either way, both make me feel at home.
I think it has a lot going for it despite being mostly cheap screen work. First as the video mentioned it didn't replace another beloved ride. But it also wasn't nearly as popular as Rise of the resistance. You weren't waiting in line for 8 hours to ride it or any other insane number due to Rise of the Resistance breaking down all the time on top of being popular.
A ride you can mostly walk on with little to no wait is imo a huge benefit over something with a long wait time. Even if both rides were equal in all other areas.
scent is definitely something that adds to an attraction. Soaring over california with the orange scent ;-; I miss it so much
Funny thing is there actually is a forward tilt in the waterfall scene in runaway railway. Its just so slight that you don't even notice it. you can see the tilt pads on the ground when you first enter the pods. so an attempt was made... but no one even notices.
I went to WDW a week ago. I'm from South America, so don't manage to travel often to the parks. That's why, when I do, smells like the one you mentioned of the water are so important for my experience. They bring me back memories of things I experienced at the parks many years ago and only get to experience very 6 years or so.
I know this will sound bad, but I really had to put my mask under my nose and no cover it during the rides. Smells are really an important part of my trips to WDW and considering how far away all of my trips to the parks are, I really didn't want to miss them.
Disney needs to bring back their animatronic game
It's been dead since 2006.
I remember going to disneyland paris as a 10 year old (i'm now 16) and riding ratatouille and i was absolutely shocked by the heat effect i had never seen such efects before at my home park (efteling) so i agree these kinds of effect can really make or brake a ride
I loved Remy's and I expected to probably like it. Definitely the sensory effects were most of why, but in general it was a more exciting dark ride than I'd really encountered before. Runaway Railway is maybe trying to do something similar but is so much slower-paced.
One thing I'd be interested in from you now that I've seen several videos is a sort of glossary of ride types. I think I know what you mean by "flat ride" but maybe I don't, and different types of coasters etc. throw me for a loop for sure. (pun unintended). A video defining your terms with examples could be a lot of fun!
I remember enjoying ratatouille much more than I thought I would. The point about the floor being much more believable really hugely helps the ride. On the contrary with Rise of the Resistance I found myself underwhelmed after so much hype. I didn't find myself as immersed as with ratatouille.ROTR felt like It was more so just there to impress you and show you around giant sets and animatronics.
Without even watching the video I’ll say a definite NO!
Great, thanks for engaging!
as far as trackless... I'm pretty happy with honey hunt and beauty&beast here in japan (especially when the beast transforms 'project mapping with animatronics on top of the movie score.. just amazing') , but i have yet to ride MMRR in the states.... I really love the ren&stimpy design mickey mouse has these days... I was hoping they would bring that here and make room for it inside of toontown...its a shame its getting so much negative press.
Is it getting negative press? I feel like I'm the only person really ragging on it.
I was a big fan of the ride when I went on it back in 2018 at Disneyland Paris. I'm glad the rest of the world is getting to experience it now. Now I'm only waiting for Rise of the Resistance to come to Europe so I can compare them.
I’ve heard it’s the worst screen based ride, when compared to rotr fop and the two Harry Potter rides
I think it’s really how you feel about the new Star Wars movies that determines how much you enjoy the ride. I detest the new trilogy and it will definitely affect my enjoyment of rotr in the future. Couple that in there with the bad reputation of lightning lane and you have a potential dumpster fire.
I’m like 95% sure the smell effects were not present when I previewed it a few weeks ago. Interested to see what it’s like with the smell effects working/on, you’ve hyped them up for me lol
I've heard that the kitchen pantry scene is supposed to have a smell, but I definitely didn't detect it so I'm not sure if that's true or not. However, you would definitely notice the bread smell if it had been working.
I was surprised that they actually did add vibration to the city scene in MMRR last time I rode it
I noticed that a month ago as well. I'm pretty sure that's new because I've been on it a fair number of times.
I haven't even ridden Ratatouille and I can completely understand and agree with your point of view. Great review!
Is there not a single animatronic?? WTH?! Why has disney stopped making animatronics? Look at the secret life of pets ride in california, its prerry much ALL animatronics!
If you havent. Look at jurrasic world adventure in bejing. Really great implimentation of animatronics in that ride!
I think that the occasional screen-based attraction is fine because it's such a different design philosophy from other attractions. That's why The Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man was so revolutionary when it premiered with Islands. However, now that Universal has become so ridiculously over-saturated with screen-based experiences, the original attraction's impact has diminished. Ratatouille may be all screens, but it's a different kind of attraction for Epcot that makes sense with the rest of the park's line-up.
@@PoseidonEntertainmentI agree. Not to mention with secret life of pets your in an apartment so the scale can me done. Building all physical sets big enough to make humans feel like rats in a large restaurant would take up like a whole park.
Having ridden some of the trackless rides including the original pooh's hunny hunt, the hitherto superlative mystic manor and ratatouille, I will say that these tactile effects do add to the overall experience. In terms of smell, only ratatouille have them. And all of the aforementioned rides also have some non linearity built into them. As I've not ridden nor seen POV videos of runaway railway, rise or beauty and the beast, I cannot comment on them.
Please, make a video about Dinoland USA and what you think Disney should do with it in the future. They will start demolishing Pimeval Whirl soon. The ride system from Pirates in Shanghai was rumored to go the Animal Kingdom. Something will happen!
Maybe they'll use Raya to bring back the original fantasy creatures land
@@wrenwoodard1077 it's interesting. But was Raya a huge success? I really don't think so... the movie is ok, but it didn't have much of a social impact or is capable of selling so much merch, which is what they want. Lol. I think they could expand Asia down to that area and create a Jungle Book ride in there using the technology from Pirates in Shanghai. Shorten Dinoland to be just the "Research center" part. I think it'd be cool.
I would love them to do a whole indiana jones section of the park where Finland currently is.
@@scataplaft it was a huge success. It was the most watched piece of media across all streaming services on its opening weekend.
It had a very limited theatrical release and was made available to Disney+ views for no additional cost, so it's been seen by millions. It did really well with critics too!
I think we can have misconceptions about media based on our social media bubbles, but just because you didn't see a lot of people talking about it on social media doesn't mean they weren't, you just don't follow them.
I definitely have some ideas for Dinoland. Perhaps I'll explore this in the future.
I’m just imagining ROTR and M&M Runaway Railway using the same ride vehicles as Transformers and Spider-Man in Universal. Those vehicles could makes the rides much of exciting and thrilling and I could imagine the vehicles being converted to a trackless base. It just baffles me that Disney didn’t use vehicles with motion availabilities since they have in the past with Indiana Jones and Dinosaur. Feels like a missed opportunity, but that could describe most new Disney additions.
I agree, a series of "missed opportunities". It feels that new Disney attractions just shoot for "good enough", rather than going above and beyond.
I feel like the reason Disney doesn't do sensory effects like smell, heat, or smoke as much anymore may be due to how they're afraid of health concerns. One criticism I've heard towards some Disney and Universal rides is how they put these effects. For example, I've heard some complaining of the use of Ln2 in Fast and Furious Supercharged. Personally, these effects are somewhat superficial to me, so I don't care if Rise or Runaway Railway don't use these effects, but I can understand your POV.
Also, last time I rode Runaway Railway, while there weren't any wind effects during the tornado scene, I do remember that scene being the only time the movement of the vehicle being close to remotely "intense".
I have noticed warnings for elements like these becoming more frequent. I believe the goblin before the Gringotts elevator even warns against "sensitivity to fog effects" or something like that.
When I first rode it in Paris few years ago, I didnt particularly care for the ride or the IP which it was based on. I still believe the Asian parks had one of the best trackless ride systems in the world (Pooh's Hunny Hunt). However, your video shed some light in some positive view of why the ride is better than Rise is quite justifiable (I still havent ridden Rise or Runway Railway).
I'm quite underwhelmed by Rise, but I know I'm also in the minority. I hope my perception doesn't taint your experience for whenever you experience it.
I think because it doesn't come across on camera many people probably won't see the charm of the ride until they have all the sensory attributes added. RotR really looks impressive from the jump plus there is a lot of story and immersion. In the past you made a comment about the props and how it doesn't tell a story but honestly most people aren't thinking that deeply about prop placement. However I do think people are annoyed about screens as a main ride aspect. I'm planning a Disney trip so I'm thinking about all of these things so I can be economical with my time so I am curious how both these rides will be in person.
I think you're correct in that a lot of people don't notice design choices in the parks. However, for the many that don't, I assume there's quite a fair few who do. I remember being really young and being fascinated by the surreal atmosphere of the many attractions and trying to figure out how it was pulled off. I think the effort of going above and beyond what is necessary is what put Disney on the map and why Cedar Point isn't the number one park in the U.S. It's the intricate theming and details that allowed Disney to rise so high. If it were as simple as creating something "fun", the Magic Kingdom wouldn't be the most visited park in the world.
The fire, the giant wheels and the courtain are amazing effects! for the smells i can't judge because from covid I can't feel it.. :(
13:10-13:15 When I rode this at Hollywood Studios last time I went, that effect WAS utilized for the jackhammer scene.
I’m over on the west coast so I’ve only been to WDW once (last April in fact! What an experience!) but I loved MMRR when I went! Granted, I have intense depression and I was giggling uncontrollably on MMRR so to me, it’s a place of happiness when I don’t get to experience that very often. That being said, if they added more *tactical* experiences into the ride then it would easily become a GREAT ride. The smells alone would take it to the next level. I don’t think I mind that there isn’t as much pitch on the ride though since most screen based rides make me fairly nauseous when more traditional rides don’t bother me. 🤷🏼♀️ I’m not sure if adding the pitch would make it more nauseating to me or not though.
the agreement with the sensory elements and are exactly on a valid point since the ride is based on emersion. resistance has smug problems with it being in the new film realm and would have been better served showcasing Vader and other well known characters we all loved. i would have liked it to be pure unknown characters to feature an ambient experience with only maybe mentions of the main characters in or appearances at the end. but i see a great space fr improvement on rise and very little on ratatouille. i think the main step on the ratatouille would be the more smell enhancements and although the movements would really sell the size of the experience, it is not as important with this ip theme. owith that said there needs a scurry spin moment as like when rodents get trapped t ive it a element of exitement near the end. because although you d take alternated routes at times there is n real feeling a trackless ride like going forward and backward or doing a looping spin which a track would be nearly impossible on a track.
When I went to EuroDisneyland in 2014 and went on this ride, I enjoyed it greatly and thought "Wow, if they have great new attractions like this in a forgotten backwater park in Paris, surely WDW in Orlando has some mind bending stuff!" I was so disappointed when I went to Orlando in 2016. I honestly liked EuroDisney better: The weather was great and it wasn't crowded even if it had less stuff to do.
I never even considered these two rides as being comparable but after reading the title I realized that they're basically the same type of thing, aren't they?
I totally agree with all points you made, but Rise of the Resistance is one of my favorite rides of all time! All of the other little details in the vehicle and more “4D” effects would be amazing, but I still think the ride is incredible. I can’t help but smile ear to ear after riding Rise.
I can't wait to enjoy the Ratatouille ride for many years to come. It appears to capture the fun and heart of the movie, which felt like an instant Disney classic film the first time I saw it. The ride seems great for all ages. Très bon, Disney. J'adore!
i wonder why they don't make an attempt to project more onto the floor in front of the screens instead of having a hard line. yes it's a black floor, but they could very well have a lighter portion that doesn't interfere with movement of the vehicles
When you're in the ride vehicles, you don't perceive the end of the screen and the floor unless you make an effort to look for it.
Excellent video as always. I agree with all your points, but I still slightly prefer Rise due to it having more physical sets. I don’t mind the quality of an IP as long as the ride is still good (expect for minions). Another thing is that Ratatouille’s sets are rather basic and I wish they had more to blend the screens with real life in the same way Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man was able to
Fair points. I agree with you about the IP as well. I think that Pandora at Animal Kingdom goes far beyond the source material.
I think the original creation in France is what made it so good, I bet if they only made it for WDW it would be missing a lot.
I do agree that this ride is pretty good, and is definitely a good example of how to use trackless ride systems. I love how its small footprint is and it uses that space really well. I would have liked at least a few more physical sets. I have not been on this ride but I do can see why you might like it more than Rise of the Resistance. I generally don't agree that it's better. But in the usage of space, it's much more interesting.
Adding heat and smell effects and stuff like that to the more recent rides would be nice too.
I got a little worked up with how Disney advertised this ride coming to EPCOT. Treating it like it was a completely new experience and not a clone from many years earlier. Giving previews and always speaking like it was filled with new technology.
Overall, good ride. Perhaps I would accept the screens more if I had actually been on it.
Also, you have been doing a great job with these videos, they are very enjoyable and I respect your view on what makes a good park/ride. Keep it up! :D
No, Disney certainly loves to market all new additions as if they're innovative and unique E-tickets. This ride certainly isn't one and I'm hoping that the crowd reflects that. Then again, Na'vi River Journey doesn't feel like it warrants more than a 20 minute wait and yet it's usually far higher. So perhaps it'll just be busy all the time, even with virtual reservations. There's certainly very little queue space which I find concerning.
@@PoseidonEntertainment Its a good path for Disney to follow, I want more rides with this scope instead of the large rides we have been getting.
As always fantastic breakdown! I do have to wonder though if all the things you say are really positive about the ride “the bread smell, the heat and water effects, hell even the French and English” would even be there if it wasn’t for this ride being a complete clone of the Disneyland Paris ride. Maybe that’s just me being cynical.
I considered this notion. At the point in time in which this was developed, I believe that Imagineering was allowed a bit more creative freedom, or so it seems with some of the other attractions like Mystic Manor. Nothing ground-breaking and still an over-reliance on flat rides and IP, but I think some of the experiences were definitely better than what we've been getting.
@@PoseidonEntertainment absolutely not wrong! I really hope the imageers are allowed sooner than later to spread their wings again so to speak. Kind of off topic, but have you seen the documentary “Waking Sleeping Beauty” if not I highly recommend it. It’s about the turmoil the animation studio was going through during the Disney renaissance. I kind of get the feeling that what the animators were dealing then is what the Imageers are dealing with now.
@@kandikidzora I haven't seen it, but I'll definitely check it out. I appreciate the recommendation
I suppose it's clearer when you're actually on the ride, but I wasn't really getting the idea until we got to those odd little blue lights overhead. Just before the main burners ignited, I realized, "Oh, we're in the kitchen and that's the stove above us, and it's legs are all around us, and I'm one of the rats." Even without feeling the heat, that one moment really sold me on the whole ride. Still too screen-based for my taste, but things like getting swatted by the mop nicely tie the screen images to our physical presence.
I think that putting you into the role of a rat is pretty clever. It hides the limitations of the trackless ride system.
I disagree. Disney always relying on screens, something practical is better and Rise of the resistance does that way better than Ratatouille.
Doesn't Rise rely heavily on screens? It's literally most of the attraction and I only count 3 animatronics outside of the pre-shows.
@@PoseidonEntertainment Yes there are screens but not as much. Ratatouille the screen is in your face most of the time unlike ROTR. But it feels like it's more practicle. Don't get me wrong Ratatouille looks so cool. I feel like ROTR is massive in scale you know. More eye candy then just the few screens it has. Idk but that's how I feel.
IKR!! Like how else are going to create space battles? Models require work and constant, tedious upkeep.
I just found this site and have quite abit of thoughts and it seems like an enigma. I watch alot of Disney vlogs and enjoy his perspective and critique of Disney. I am not that well versed on Disney Park history and the theming and attraction selection and removal direction, but alot of what is said seems to have some truth. One thing I agree on is how it has become so driven towards making money with the sacrifice of customer experience. One example would be why is it taking so long to complete TRON, just sitting there with no sense of urgency. What I find so confusing is what is his angle??, provides a lot of what seems good advice for improving Disney but also trashing current rides. If some of these rides are so bad then why do they have consistently long wait times, and from other Vloggers I respect they just love these rides hmm. Also because I see what seems to be a very thoughtful and educated display of history of Disney and possible positive theming changes, I dont understand the low subscription count, perhaps Disney fans dont like critiques? And he is very pro Universal which is interesting. Perhaps he sees the decline based on poor managements, and hopes for a revitalization based on some of his vlogs. The reason i value his opinion and perspective because of a few videos that I saw that seem to make so much sense. Why dont they add additional sensory stimulus into Ride of the Resistance, seems to make to much sense. And from I have seen Avengers Campus seems like such a pile of steaming dung, who is making these decisions? From a business plan I see why they are sticking rides into Epcot to provide additional attractions even though they dont always fit. Anyways Ill go to Disney and Universal and watch your entertaining vlogs. With so much insight and theming ideas seems you could be working with a company like Universal or Disney to provide theming consulting.
Frankly, this ride would be just mediocre here in America. It was only considered big in Paris because the movie was set in Paris. I am not sure how attractive I would consider travelling with rats running around a kitchen.
Just wait until the Mexico pavilion changes to a Coco dark ride….it will happen. Would love to see this added to “Mexico” instead of replacing another iconic ride! X
While I do agree with you on the sensory effects adding a lot to the ride, and I would have loved to have seen them on Rise or Mickey's, I still think that Rise is the more entertaining ride.
Maybe it's the cast members on rise, or the various physical sets, or the fact that it's live action and I've loved star wars for years (despite the disappointment that the new trilogy was), but i felt far more immersed in Rise than I ever did in Remy's. One big issue with that, imo, is that the ride vehicles on Remy's never feel like they are going at the speed that the rats are on screen. We are supposed to be running away and trying to escape the humans, yet it never feels like that and more that we are traversing from screen to screen. At least with rise I felt more like I was trying to escape from the First Order thani ever felt like I was trying to escape the humans in Remy's.
I don’t know if I’d go as far as to say Ratatouille is better than Rise, but to be fair I primarily come to theme park rides for the animatronics and Rise has a lot of them! Also my eyes are weird and tend to act up with 3-D effects. I basically have to go through any 3-D ride with one eye closed to not have double vision, which definitely contributes to my general distaste of 3-D screen-based rides like Flight of Passage. But that’s probably a me problem.
That said, I totally agree with you that sensory effects make a huge difference! Ratatouille does a fantastic job, and, while I don’t like that it’s in 3D, I love that it uses the motion, fire, and spray effects to increase immersion with the sets and screen.
I also loved your thoughts on how to improve Runaway Railway. It’s a pretty underwhelming ride right now and if we can’t get the Great Movie Ride back I at least want to see the ride we’re stuck with improve in quality.
Love your channel! It’s honestly refreshing to see a fan of the Disney Parks that’s willing to call out their shitty anti-consumer policies. Also I am always here for a rant that Frozen has no place in EPCOT. It was really aggravating to see that ride replace Maelstrom, no matter how good a dark ride it is.
I can see how difficulty in perceiving 3D can wreck the experience. Usually I'm not a fan of screen-based attractions because I prefer physical sets and figures regardless, but I do believe that parks tend to over-rely on this particular element.
Also, thanks I appreciate the feedback!
2:00 What’s the name of this background song?
I totally agree about sensory effects, except the water. Universal in Hollywood uses water in every freaking ride it seems and I get really sick of being splashed. Mist and heat are well utilized in Secret Life of Pets though. I'm definitely surprised Disney isn't using more of those effects.
Frozen: is loosely based on Norway
Disney: SLAP THAT IP ON MAELSTROM
On camera Mickey’s new ride looks amazing and visually overwhelming in a good sense. Ratatouille looks rather underwhelming. But that’s on camera, perhaps in the flesh it’s the other way round.
If that's how you feel, then I'm of the opinion that both attractions are the opposite in person. Railway's shortcomings are painfully obvious and Ratatouille blends the screens in really well to the same level of effect that Forbidden Journey does.
@@PoseidonEntertainment So in this case the camera really lies then. It looks the other way round. Looking forward to experience them. Congrats on your fantastic channel!
I just finished a DVC preview. I rode the ride 3 times and I 100% agree with you. Underwhelmed by video but much different in actual execution of the ride.
@@PoseidonEntertainment I would disagree here. I think Ratatouille is a poor attempt at blending screens. Most rooms have little to no theming on the surrounding walls (nd your vehicle is so open you cannot miss that unless you're as focused as a camera), the floor is really jarring and seeing other vehicles next to you not moving while you're supposed to be chased takes you out of the action. Ratatouille feels more like a 4D cinema on wheels than an immersive journey like Spiderman. What makes Spidey great is squinching. Now they implemented it on Ratatouille, but two problems: first, on Rat you stops in front of the screens and then the action takes place. So during the sequences, you're not moving -> no squinching. And second, there are always three Ratmobiles at a time. You can't do squinching for the three simultaneously, so it's a kind of average.
At first, I thought this channel was too judgemental, but the host does a good job admitting where he may be biased. One of my big pet peeves is people asserting there opinion as fact. Keep up the good work, and good luck. May the algorithms bless you, and all that.
The only thing that ruined this ride for me was realizing how many scenes are used in the Epcot Experience. I work in Photopass, so I overheard the audio frequently whenever taking pictures there.
Watered down TOT? I think you mean the updated TOT. Faster pacing, less downtime, higher capacity, and better storytelling. DCA's TOT was one of my favourite Disney attractions and when I revisited Florida, I realized how much better the newer version was.
As for Rat vs Rise....I go with Rise. It was physical sets, physical thrills, and the pre-show is great. Rat is cute, but lacking physical gags/AA's to ground it for me. Every show element is screen based with nothing physical to latch onto.
Did the Tower of Terror need faster pacing? And the story-telling is better? I'm not sure where you're coming from in this regard.
@@PoseidonEntertainment There are few moments of nothing where the tension starts to dip in the original. The awkward silence after the shattering window is usually followed by a few chuckles as the doors slowly close in silence. The same thing occurs when the car slowly and noisily shifts into the drop shaft.
With TOT 2.0,, the shattering window is replaced with the drop of the ghosts' and a drop scare. That's an improvement. We are also propelled through the story at a faster rate, making it feel like it is amping up to the finale.
I also love how 2.0 focuses more on the ghost story aspect rather than a ghost story and being sucked into a TV show. With DCA's Tower, we enter an episode and have our story narrated. With WDW's, we're in the story and also being reminded of TZ with the shattering window and other images from the opening credits. Its a bit muddy.
I also love how 2.0 has you start/stop at the same stop. You often have the same Bellhop, which works as a perfect framing device for this horror story. It almost has that classic "did I imagine the whole thing" feel when the doors open and its the same bellhop and we haven't gone anywhere.
There's just such a great energy and focus to Tower 2.0. I do like the original, but the 5th Dimension is a design failure for me. Even the imagineers stated they went cheap on it because the car moving laterally was the focus and everything else kind of fell to the wayside. I do love the starfield opening effect though. That is awesome. Its just sad that it is proceeded by the car jostling into position.
I will say, the original Tower is the best looking and the best queue. I just greatly prefer the on-ride experience of the 2nd draft.
@@mikeiseastman Interesting, I see your point. I think you can deduce that I've never been on the less complex versions of the ride and so I was under the assumption that the experience was just "lesser". However, I definitely see where you're coming from.
I love your points even if I didn’t necessarily agree with all of them. I think with Ratatouille, the execution far exceeds the concept of the ride. They take it pretty far given it’s reliance on screens, and the touches you mention elevate the experience for sure. However, I prefer ROTS. While it doesn’t take full advantage of the trackless system, it has several different ride systems, like a drop system and simulation, implemented throughout, adding more diversity than I feel like you gave it credit for.
I also found it did more to get me invested in the narrative than Ratatouille, having probably the best queue ever since Haunted Mansion. It’s a matter of taste but I thoroughly enjoyed both. These trackless systems are filled with potential.
Love that I discovered this vid. Your thoughts were very thorough and fair. Looking forward to exploring your channel more.
Simply..... no! I can't even be bothered to entertain the allure.
I agree that this ride is elevated by its use of sensory effects and vehicle movement. And definitely it feels like Spider-Man, which has confused people I’ve mentioned this to. However, I don’t think remy does all that well with integrating the floor. Yes it works well in the pantry and it doesn’t feel like riding through an abandoned Home Depot with railway, but the tiled floor of the kitchen doesn’t blend as well with the wrap around screen as you imply. There’s still a hard line between the real floor and the screen floor that’s obvious and hard to ignore, at least for me. It’s the only major flaw for me, and really takes me out of the experience. This is why I still hold rise at the top of the trackless rides at WDW, because the floor always feels natural and blended, being the glossy floors of a space ship the whole time. I’m a big stickler for this floor issue and think it’s the biggest thing holding trackless rides back and almost makes railway unridable for me
As generic as I felt Remy’s ride was, I have to agree with you - I enjoy it WAY more than Rise of the Resistance.
I understand your feeling about having adding other sensory additions to the ride. One of my biggest issues with Rose of the Resistance is that there is no feeling of danger throughout the ride. A lot of it is attributed to Kylo Ren not being a dangerous presence in the films but other things like not feeling like I’m being shot at a whole lot by the stormtroopers or not feeling the heat from Kylo’s Lightsaber don’t make me feel like I’m in a thrilling setting. I had told my friends that I felt like I was being shot at more in Indiana Jones during the blow dart sequences than in Rise of the Resistance.
You make a really good point here. The projection effects with the stormtrooper blaster fire isn't very convincing, and I might even hazard to say that air bursts like on Indy would have made it feel more convincing. I know that it wouldn't necessarily make sense for blaster fire, but if you could "feel" it, perhaps it wouldn't matter.
I rode the Paris Ratatouille this week and thought it was quite underwhelming. The movement of the vehicle is only notable in the first scene where he falls down from the roof. Also the screen room was imo by far the worst part of the ride with it’s bad camera movements and lack of vehicle interaction.
And the huge reliance on screens was just annoying, especially after such a great themed queue line and station. I rode Ratatouille four times and was getting more and more bored at each ride.
Maybe it was because i rode the awesome darkrides in the main park the day before or a distaste of 3D screens in general, but out of the three main attractions at Walt Disney Studios (Tower of Terror, Crush and Ratatouille) i thought this one was by far the worst.
I think this ride should have relied more on actual sets and I was sad to not see even a single animatronic but I do like how the ride mixes the screens with the sets because in most screen rides looking right or left often breaks the illusion but not on this ride.
I was at Epcot how did I miss this ride now i Need to go on the ride
This will sound HORRIBLE, but it works because it wasn't originally thought of with an American audience in mind. All the best Disney rides these days are not, they are mainly created for Paris and the Asian parks. Disney takes it's home country and it's customers for granted.
I have noticed that the parks outside of the U.S. have a lot of interesting attractions, but they have a lot of really poor ones as well. Off-hand there's Cars Race Rally, Ant-Man and the Wasp Nano Battle, The Iron Man Experience, and really just the rest of Walt Disney Studios Park. The various copy and pasted Toy Story Lands aren't particularly compelling and Hong Kong Disneyland still has a long way to go.
I really enjoyed Remy during my last visit to Epcot in October! I haven't been to Hollywood Studios since before the pandemic, so can't speak for the other two. Personally I don't mind screens as a general rule. In the past I've enjoyed shows featuring screens and 4D elements and I think they're fine as attractions in one or two places at the park. Having said that, I don't think that rides should be so screen heavy, since I think it's holding them back. Remy does it gracefully though, and it seems private enough so as not to intrude on other attractions at the Epcot. But I do have to wonder if this is setting up a precedent under cost-cutting Chapek. Why build an exciting and immersive ride when we can just give them a screen? Disney doesn't have a problem where they need to draw more visitors to its parks, I would say the parks are more popular than ever! But slapping IP willy-nilly throughout the parks is how we wound up with Stitch's Great Escape, and will only appeal to fans for so long. And it's only appealing to a certain kind of fan to begin with. Classic rides like Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion, and many others were not based on existing IP, and yet they have become Disney icons. Instead of focusing energy on how to build an attraction themed to hot new franchises I think they should shift back to creating genuine immersive guest experiences, and worrying about marketing later.
It's wonderful to have these Poseidon Entertainment videos that eloquently treat theme parks as an art form. The suggestions for how attractions could be improved in this video were outstanding, & I hope (without optimism) that Disney implements some of them.
Other videos by other organizations have hosts heaping effusive praise on anything Disney does, and getting excited when an overpriced cupcake has a new frosting, or when an overpriced & supposedly excellent restaurant serves mac 'n' cheese off the menu to grownups. What a relief to discover Poseidon Entertainment!
I think they included smell in ratatouille because remy has a very powerful nose
After getting off Rise of the Resistance, my first sorrowful thought was "Will these parks ever make a rollercoaster again?" Seems like theyre going insane with the trackless rides because they don't actually take any engineering to create. You just plan the route like a video game cutscene and the vehicles do it. Theyre not really rides anymore.
I got to ride Ratatouille in Paris in Jan 2020 and came off feeling disappointed. I felt it's sad that Imagineering couldn't make a screen-based ride better than Universal's Spider-Man (which opened in 1999 btw!!). Other than the pantry room, the scenes are almost completely void of physical set pieces. At the end of the day, I find this ride to be lazy but something they had to make once someone uttered, "Imagine if we could shrink guests to the size of a mouse."
On the other hand, my gf loved it for being incredibly cute and charming. Soo we rode it 4 times that day haha and just so you know 5:56 the pantry scene is not randomized. Wherever you enter your vehicle at the loading station determines your path through the pantry. IIRC the car at the "front" of the loading station always goes right, around the mayo, for example.
Still, this is a well-produced vid that deserves the like. Cheers!
I think Rise of the Resistance is a pretty good ride that would be an all-timer if it was themed to the OT and called Escape from Hoth. You'd have an iconic scene from arguably the most iconic Star Wars movie with characters and situations we actually care about. What really kills that ride for me is the now-defunct lottery you had to go through to even have the chance to ride it. A great ride isn't great if you exclude a majority of your guests from getting on it.
As for Ratatouille, it's fine, mostly due to my affection for the film. But if I'd waited an hour for it in mid-July, I would have probably felt less kindly towards it.
Could ROTR be better with heat and smell effects. Of course. But that is an amazing ride with many shows and it is extremely immersive. Completely agree that Runaway Railroad is very disappointing.
Rise just always felt like it was missing something to me and I suspect that it’s the sensory effects.