I went into a wrong channel looking to know about car radiators but I left impressed and enlightened, reminds me why suzuki bikes abandoned the SACs (suzuki advanced air oil cooled )system and went into liquid cooling for their bikes hehe..
My first custom build involved a custom loop. Jay's videos helped convince me to make the jump. I'm running an XSPC 240mm kit with a pump/res combo. Soon, I will add a 120mm rad for extra cooling. I'm also looking to do custom sleeving and possibly sell my two R9 270Xs and get the new Fury X replacement, when it is released. I will probably add it to the custom loop with an EKWB. Thanks, Jay, for the videos.
What I did learn was that radiators perform better than I thought even without any fans. Pretty cool. Glad you do these kinds of videos. I know it wash t super long or in depth but a couple things I think were worth noting is that the thicker radiators only perform better at higher fan speeds and they actually perform notably worse at low fan speeds. At around 600 RPM or less, a 30mm rad performs better than a 45, 60, or 80mm (especially if you go apples to apples and compare only Alphacool who offers all four sizes) and the 80mm performs the worst at that speed. If I remember correctly, you have to get up above 800-1000rpm before the 60mm thick rad starts to perform better and the 80mm rad doesn't perform better at all until up above 1200 RPM, IIRC, which is pretty fast and loud. The tests I've seen actually never show the 45mm performing better, it just jumps from 30mm being best at low-mid speeds to 60mm being best up in the higher speed range. I'm guessing there's a pretty narrow window around 700 RPM where 45 performs best. My big full tower build has a 280 60mm and 420 45mm and I went with medium and thick rads in that because like a lot of other first time builders, I though thicker would perform better, except I like to run very quiet fans (whole point of water cooling to me) so in my new smaller Caselabs build, I've gone with all 30mm thick rads.
And another thing worth noting is that the width (i.e. when going from 120mm wide rads to 140mm rads) actually does make a good difference. 140 fans usually have less dead space on the radiator, for one thing. But the main thing is that a lot of people have room to fit a wider 140 rad but might not being above to fit a longer, but going with the wider rad can increase the cooling capacity enough to make up the difference versus a narrower 120mm wide rad that is one fan longer than a given 140mm wide rad. For example a triple 140 rad actually has slightly more cooling capacity than a quad 120 and a dual 140 has almost as much cooling capacity as a triple 120. In my full tower build I went with all 140 wide rads so they're only a triple and a dual 140 yet they're equivalent approximately to a quad + triple 120 setup. In my new Caselabs build I'm going for smaller form factor so space is an issue, so I went with two dual rads (one being a 120 and one being a 140), but since one is a dual 140, it's almost like having a triple 120 while it's a good bit shorter than a triple.
When I was running a CPU only loop, I used a single Alphacool XT45 420 for my 4930K @ 4.5GHz. Even with Prime95 the temp topped out at 70C, and gaming never exceeded 60C. Used Koolance 380i CPU block. Recently expanded the loop to include 2x Gigabyte 970s, so tossed in another Alphacool UT60 360. Just finished plumbing literally 12 hours ago so still leak testing, but can't wait to fire up the thing and see what kinda temps I get.
Jay, Thx for all your videos.. I am an oldschool water cooler guy (1999) from back in the days of Danger Den being one of the few companies doing it then and also using Enhiem pond pumps 120V. I have done 3 WC setups in my time .. the last being 8 years ago. Just ordered 700$ worth of WC parts to get me started on my WC setup. Wish me luck.. wish you were here to help! lol I ran out of funds and plan on adding my GTX 980ti into the loop a little later. I'm making sure to setup a drain area so making changes should be easier. My biggest issue now is flushing my new rads without going out and buying pond pumps etc to do it.. budget is spent!
EKWB XRES 140 REVO D5 PWM Pump/Res combo Sleeved + mounting bracket EK Supremacy EVO Nickel Water block for CPU Black Ice Nemesis WHITE 280GTX Radiator (Noctua fans already in case) Black Ice Nemesis WHITE 240GTX Radiator (not sure on fans yet) Primochill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT White tubing 10ft 3/8 ID 5/8 OD XSPC 3/8ID - 5/8 OD black chrome compression fittings (most cost friendly good fittings I could find) Bitspower 90 Degree rotary adapters in sparkle black to match XSPC fittings Mayhem Silver Kill coil Mayhem Pastel Coolant 1 litre (how much shoud I need?) XSPC T fitting to build drain area Bitspower Valve for drain area Small plastic funnel
I'm using 1200mm radiator capacity in my custom NZXT Switch 810: -XSPC EX480 -XSPC RX360 -XSPC EX240 -XSPC EX120 Neptune 2.0 - NZXT Switch 810 Build Log Part 6 - Completion My Corsair fans all run at 7V and I get an average of 47C on my 3770K @ 4.6GHz and 51C max on my 680 SLI @ 1215core/7204mem. I suggest that if modding is what you like to do and there is space for it in the case, why not. My Dwood pedestal under my 810 case was custom made for 420 rads and I modded it to shove a 480 down there, for example. Thanks for this very useful video Jay. I hope to see this Stacker build soon!!
One EK Quantum P480mm Rad cooling my Ryzen 7800X3D and my Red Devil 7900 xtx. Two temp sensors using commander core XT. GPU stock air cooled, idle temps 40ish, when I put the EK Quantum GPU block, temps dropped by 25c. One rad seems to be doing a very good job cooling the CPU & the GPU.
Technically a radiator, even with a fan on it, is passive cooling. It's not using energy to dissipate heat but instead is simply allowing the natural properties of energy to transfer heat energy from a high energy system (your radiator) to a lower energy system (the air around your computer). Active cooling uses energy to remove energy: this is how your refrigerator works. It uses energy to compresses a gas into a liquid and then uses the natural result of a liquid changing to a gas to cool your computer. It's the same physical process that makes a can of compressed air get cold when you use it to blow out cookie crumbs from your keyboard. There's a propellant that is compressed to a liquid in the can (which requires energy) and as you press the valve on the can the liquid converts to a gas and expands. Converting from a liquid to a gas spreads the energy that was in a compact form to a larger area. That means the average energy for a given area is much less than it was before the liquid converted to a gas. Since energy moves from higher to lower the lower energy gas can absorb heat energy from a higher energy system, in this case your computer components.
I'm running two (yes 2) Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta (the 80mm thick kinds) full copper 560mm (4x140) externally mounted radiators, cooling them with 16 Noctua NF-A14 fans all hooked up to my Phantom 560 fan controller running at 5volts. It was my first watercooling build, I had a big budget to play with and figured why not do something big? All I know is, no matter how hot components get, they're not getting anywhere close to the max heat wattage those two radiators can cool off.
I like the thicker rads, but I haven't used the 80mm yet. I still have good cooling from old danger den rads on my older system, a QX based rig. They take a ton of heat from a QX kentsville and SLI'd 8800 GTX SC's. 480mm of rad, MCP655 , & a long loop. I still run it from time to time & love the PC. It's always sad to see a water cooling component manufacturer close its doors. Now, I've got the i7-4770k, but I haven't decided on what I want to do for the case. I like that stacker 9XX with the secondary enclosure for the liquid loop or itx capabilities. I do want to build up a case for the build, but the time to weld what I want will take a while... not to mention the sheet metal break & tapping the threads. Just a lot of work. You're definitely headed in the right direction with the channel. Any Titan, Black Editions headed out your way? Very curious to see these daunting GPUs! Wonder if they've added any OpenCL enhancements to benefit those GPU crypto clowns. I hope not, FPGA is going to rip the market to shreds & if Nvidia has a viable GPU for mining... the used market will be crap as no one other than a miner will buy a burned out junker. AMD should prepare for the value drop due to highly overclocked & already on the thermal fringe of silicon degradation in r9 GPUs.
Inside of a Bitfenix Phenom ITX: (1) Alphacool 180mm x 45mm rad | Phobya 180 Q (1) Alphacool 240mm x 30mm rad | Corsair SP120 Q 4770k OC 4.6 GTX 780 All with great temps! Mind you I modded the case a bit for better air flow.
I have a quick question regarding passive cooling. You said at the beginning of the video that you can turn off the fans on your rads and you only see temperatures increase by about 10 degrees under load. My question is, how long did you run it under load? Because the rads will get hotter over time without fans and the cooling passive cooling performance should decrease correct?
Depends on the amount of radiator space you have. Mine is probably capable of cooler over 1000w of heat, probably half that at passive, which my system doesnt exceed. When I tested it, I fell asleep... ran for a few hours.
I'm not sure why he said that. I tried running a 240mm rad with no fans, temps went up so quickly and touching the rad almost burned me. Unless he has another way that aid flows through the radiator, I don't see that working.
***** alright thanks for the reply. Makes more sense now. I was thinking eventually I could maybe do a completely silent build without fans if I have enough radiators.
Obox2550 Well that's becuase he has 840mm worth of rads, you don't even have a 3rd of that so ofcourse it doesn't work! A 240mm rad is hardly enough to cool a full system WITH fans, you have to be pretty stupid to try it without them. Natural convection is a good way to move air ( heat goes up) I saw a really cool completely fanless system (specially designed!!! don't try it with your case!) and it was amazing to see how much air actually moved trough the case using just natural convection. It was demonstrated by putting a smoke machine next to it and you could really see the case sucking up the smoke.
I'm going to be adapting my wife's system for water cooling first. She's got a Corsair 750D (not nearly as large as the 900D), and I'm going to start with a 360mm radiator in the roof to cool her CPU and a single video card. Might then decide to overclock her CPU a little as well after everything's confirmed stable. When I add a second video card to her system to run SLI, then I'll probably add another 120mm or 240mm radiator, though if I go for a front-mount rad, it'll need to be a 280, I think. When the time comes, I'll look again. For fans, going with Corsair SP120s -- not sure if it'll be the quiet or high performance ones, though I'm leaning toward the quiet ones right now. Then I'll probably be looking at water-cooling my system later this year. My system's in a smaller case -- Zalman Z12 -- so it'll be interesting. I can only go with a 240mm rad in the roof, so for radiator space on that one I'll probably have to have two 240s -- one in the roof, the other outside the case -- which could make things interesting... Or I'll just need to move it all into a larger case.
Jay, Nice video man I think you should take the top off of the stacker and put it on the bottom (If it can be done) and use put one rad on the top and another on the front and use normal acrylic tubing/bent acrylic with different degree compression fittings or do the opposite and keep the top on it and put the rads in there and run the same set up.
Have a look at my water cooled build. I have been running this machine for almost 2 years and it runs like a top. I have a second build on my work bench that needs to go in for copper plating.
yes. mod it. no hesitation at all on that reply. also if you can, make vlogs of the modding process jay. would be a joy to watch you put your creativity to work.
Brass is an alloy mostly of copper. Copper is soft but brass is hard and machinable. Bungs that are threaded are better in brass and work well with copper. All the plumbing in your house is the same. Copper pipes w/ brass fittings.
I'll be honest, I've never done any water cooling. My HAF 932 with a 212 Evo Cooler keeps everything pretty cool and quiet. 230mm Fans are pretty quiet even at full speed. But I have been considering trying it in an old Alienware case that I came across. As a mechanic, I understand the benefits of water cooling and have been itching to give it a try.
Completed my first ever watercooling project not long ago got a 3570k running at 4.7ghz being cooled by 2x EX240 rads with low rpm fans in an aerocool ds cube. Gonna add a gtx780 at some point when I can afford the card and block.
Overclock a threadripper under full load and you will need plenty 'o rad space, especially if you want it to run quiet. Running dual 560 Monstas. Fans only come on at all after a couple of minutes at full load.
i use a tripple radiator with 3 high CFM Fans. Also a strong pump helps. My 3930k overclocks at 4.8 no problem. I've gotten it to 5.1 but it wasnt stable.
I'm using an XSPC kit which came with a 240mm Rad at 30mm thick, and that's cooling my 8150 at 4.2GHz and 6970, does a very good job with it. I'm running corsair sp fans at about 30% power too
My custom loop setup holds 2 360mm rads with a thickness of 3,8cm and a 150ml reservoir. I use 12 / 16 mm acryl tubing. Im a bit late to the Party but i just build my first custom loop 5 days ago ^^.
I have never used a custom liquid cooling set up, but my friend and I are building a computer for expirimenting and we will be using a custom liquid cooling set up. My friend will be using the kit when we are done and might buy one for myself. They look pretty cool if you ask me.
When you use water cooling, should the fans be on the radiator: A: Outside pushing air in to the case B: Outside pulling the air from the case C: Inside pushing air out from the case D: Inside pulling air in to the case? Thank you in advance!
No liquid right now but planning next build and I think it will be liquid cooled. Considering the big stacker case so I can put the cooling and power supplies in the bottom and a NAS farm in the top. This will keep all of that type of gear in one place instead of trying to find homes for it else where. Thinking of running three video cards so lots of cooling to keep it all running stable and fast. The other side of this for me it that I will be building a system for my wife as well, it will be the same less the NAS farm. Thanks for the great video.
When i had 240 rad from alphacool which was 30 thick and replaced it with ek xtx 240 rad, it made my temp from 36-38 c to 29-31 degrees. i run i7-4770k at 4.6ghz
I'm using Thermaltake Dual Pacific RL480 120mm 8 total fans two side by side on top and on each sides along with one front mount Pacific 200mm and 140mm fan RL 360. I never have to turn CPU off and average temps 17-21c. Pretty over kill but so good.
I've always wanted to watercool, but I've never really gotten around to actually doing it. So I'm still using air cooling and only modest overclocking and I'm actually quite happy with it. If I ever watercool my system I'm probably getting a corsair case, but something smaller than the 900D and then see what I can fit in it. I find the stacker case plain ugly, that's why I wouldn't even consider buying and modding one of those. I'm generally a fan of understatement, so better office computer cases that look more valuable and have more features like USB3 ports and such are what I like the most. Corsair and Lian Li are doing a good job there imho.
Using a Lian Li B25F with a 280mm in the roof and a 240mm up front - i5-3570k @ 4.6GHz and 2 x AMD R9 290 CPU can hit around 60-65 under extreme stress and video cards into the low 50s (degress celsius) Gets a bit warm in the summer but not so bad in the winter, will be upgrading to a Caselabs S8 soon so will move up to 360mm radiators and some quieter fans!
I am running a closed loop Corsair H100i with 2 120mm fans on a slightly overclocked CPU and it keeps it nice and cool and it is maintenance free and under a $100
using more radiators for more fans at lower speeds will expand hot zones under high loads... and can be an issue. i would jus use a quad in push/pull. can be louder but heat is not spreading as much. for smaller loads u can use as many as u can fit/afford
jay actually helped me in deciding my rig a little. Intel i7-4770k, ASUS z-87 sabertooth, G.SKILL Sniper Gaming Series 16GB DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600. 2 gtx 770's sli, 240 ssd and 1 tb sshd, CORSAIR HX1050 power, all tucked away in a NZXT Phantom 820. been running it for a day with the stock cpu cooler, and ya not working. was hoping it could last long enuf to get a custom loop but nope.... just went and got a CORSAIR H100i so it should be all golden for a while till i figure out if i want to still do a loop
Jay i have a 4770k oc to 4,7 and a gtx 770 and am planing to do my first watercooling build is an alphacool 360 30 mm and an alphacool 360 60 mm enough for some heavy oc and will be enough if i deside to add another gtx 770 in the future
Great vid. Thanx. I'm new to liquid cooling and have always shied away from it because of that. So I decided to go with an all in 1 solution for my first time with a H100i. I'm about to use it in my new build which I will hopefully get around to building tonight or tommarrow.
My system had 2 GPUs and a Core i7 3930K running off of a Hardware labs GT Stealth 280MM rad on top and a Phobya 200mm radiator in the front of my Corsair 650D. Pump was a variable speed D5 and all blocks were black acetal and nickel plated from EK
I've just got an h110i from corsair. I was trying to stay all air because I didn't trust water in my system, but I really wasn't liking the temps and its hard to keep it quiet and clean with 13 fans running 24/7, so I had to just get over it... I mounted the radiator in the front of my case so at least 50/50 shot that any failure would be away from all components. I do plan on upgrading the fans, the ones that came with it are way too loud compared to my case fans.
Love this guy!! Sorry if I don't "like" every video I watch, because I watch a lot of them!! Thank you so much for all of the free advice!!! You know your shit sir.
I actually had 3 double 120 radiators mounted in the case before, then as a joke tried a plain old car radiator with the loop and it actually performed much better then the other 3 together, so I made some 90° case side mounts for it and just kept it. Sure isn't compact but it's not like my PC is going anywhere.
the rule of thumb i know, says one 120,, rad per 100W heat. so a 300W graphics card needs a 360 rad alone. but that rule applies to quiet cooling. something like the asus ares 2 is proof, that one 120mm rad is pretty strong. i personally had one 360 only for my cpu. i added a second one, cause i planned to add a graphicscard. but that card never showed up then so i had two 360''s only for my FX-8320. the rads were alphacool 45mm think rtads, i had them running in push pull with bitfenix spectre pro at 5V. even with that low speed, my cpu ran with 4,8GHz and something near 1,5V and was not hotter than 50°C so, my next watercooling build will be that oversized again.
Too many variables. It could work if manufacturers had some standard loop to test them in, but it might mislead people who don't know better, and this is an area where knowledge isn't all that standardized, with a lot of anecdotal experiences instead (like Someone with years of experience saying full copper isn't better than mixed brass and aluminium at dissipating heat, witch is flat out wrong, copper has over 3 times better heat conductivity than brass and almost twice as much as aluminium, but is waaaaaay more expensive). It's just that the results don't often show as much given how little that impacts versus the size of the rad, the fluid flow in it, the ari flow through it, etc.
2Awesome some easily misled ignorant beginners could make that backfire quite easily, besides, you would need an industry wide agreement and that is hard to get. Besides, every part of this is expensive, from the fluid to the fittings, to the radiators and a reliable testing platform, and I am under the impression they don't really have the kind of demand to make this thing happen while cutting into their margins (air coolers manufacturers sure don't, relying on third party reviewers to get it done). Besides, as has been demonstrated, a single 240mm rad is usually enough to handle both a cpu and a gpu overclocked, with some 300w worth of heat, so there is not as much demand for "would this be enough" as one would be think. "Get the biggest rad you can fit" is the most repeated advice regarding rad size and cooling capacity in the watercooling community.
Currently using 1 280X30mm rad and 1 360x60mm rad, both 8fpi, and running push only on both. These radiators are cooling just my GTX 780 and my I5 2500k@4,6GHz
I have a fx 6300 cooled by an Antec 620 v4 in a Fractal Design arc midi r2. Under full load the max temp is 47 Celsius at stock, silent as an assassin. My Asus r9 280x with an overclock to 1150 MHz is maxing out at 62 Celsius below 30% fan speed.
my temps and noise have gone up ever since my 480 leaked and I had to remove it, now I'm down to a 240 and a 140 to cool my 295x2s and cpu, I need a new rad whenever I can afford one, I wish I had a handful of rads like you do in this video
Better late than never is what people say; so on that note, here's my current setup, and upcoming build. Current: custom loop featuring XSPC RX360 radiator cooling Intel CPU and Radeon HD7950 housed in a (crappy) AZZA Genesis 9000. Upcoming: custom loop featuring same GPU and GPU with an EKWB 240 XTX radiator and an Darkside (62 mm) 240 mm radiator housed in a Corsair Air 540 (flipped window-side up). As for my thoughts on the Cooler Master HAF Stacker; cool concept, but how is the quality of materials used? If the quality is so-so, then that's a deal breaker for me (had way too many cases made from the thinnest steel)
I also thought about doing the same thing with the stacker back when I was planning my new build but in the end I went with the 900D because I really liked all the space inside of it and since I wanted to put a double loop in mine I wanted to make sure I had the extra space. I love the alphacool rads but I ended up going the XSPC rads because they had them in white in all the sizes I wanted. Alphacool seems to only offer the white rad in a 360. I ended up going with a 480 and 360 rad in the bottom with a 360 rad also in the top all 40mm thick. Complete overkill but this system is all about overkill :) I just hope the XSPC rads are as good as the price tag that was attached to them. They were more than the AC rads
One AIO here, the H60 for my CPU. A simple, small 120mm rad. Got it because the airflow in my case is still great, but I wanted to squeeze just a little more juice out of my CPU, which I couldn't with aircooling.
360mm XFlow for aesthetic neatness, went with a Black Ice Nemesis, and its only for the cpu for now, keeps it at pretty much ambient temp. Gonna add another 280 Rad in the front when I upgrade my graphics card and add it to the loop, as watercooling a 960 would be a waste of money.
I have one monsta 240 and planning on rebuild my case to fit another one. Running high oc 3770k and a gtx 780. It works great but still want lower temps. Water temp havent been over 40c yet.
these Guides videos are amazing don't stop doing them please. one little suggestion, I think the intro and the music in them are a little bit outdated like something from 2000. thanks a lot for the great videos any way :)
I use a Watercool MO-RA3 9x 120mm with noiseblocker black silent m12-s2 @ 550 rpm wich can go up to 1000 rpm, controled by a aquaero 5.. In the cooling loop are a Core i7 4930k @ 4.3 GHz,one Geforce GTX Titan @ 1100/3260, the aquaero 5 and the Hdds wich are in a silentstar 2.
hell ya mod that stack the whole stacker if you can and put down were you get and buy everything from , like the acrylic fittings , acrylic tubing and everyother water cooling things what store, how much , and hows it done.
naaah just for the modding part and for the sake of doing it i would go with the haf stacker but otherwise i think the 900d does a good job on the whole.
Hay Jay, love your channel, keep up the good work. Just wanted to point out that COPPER ABSOLUTELY does give you better temps! Better than any other metal other than silver. Copper is a fantastic heat conductor. Google it, there are plenty of graphs comparing different metals and their heat dissipating properties. This is important info for people choosing pc watercooling components.
it will be nice if you can dona video on cases....coz after spending a lot of cash on watercooling parts I realised that i can't install a fan with the radiater because there was no space so if you can do this it will be nice
i use 2 rad, 1 is ek-pe 240mm snd 2 is xspc-ex240mm. for ek-supremacy evo nickle / WB(fullboard) gtx970 temp is CPU idel Idel 30/ Max 55 and GPU Idel 32/ Max 42 EK 4.0 pump myloop work fine , i love it
I went into a wrong channel looking to know about car radiators but I left impressed and enlightened, reminds me why suzuki bikes abandoned the SACs (suzuki advanced air oil cooled )system and went into liquid cooling for their bikes hehe..
fidel catsro Car radiators are super boring.
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love the name, love the flag
Watching Jay 6 years later is kinda crazy and he even had grey hair back then 🤣
My first custom build involved a custom loop. Jay's videos helped convince me to make the jump. I'm running an XSPC 240mm kit with a pump/res combo. Soon, I will add a 120mm rad for extra cooling. I'm also looking to do custom sleeving and possibly sell my two R9 270Xs and get the new Fury X replacement, when it is released. I will probably add it to the custom loop with an EKWB. Thanks, Jay, for the videos.
I love how you let us engage with you! I’ve learned a lot from you in the years. I’m making a build with overkill cooling with 4 480mm rads.
I am going to use a truck radiator.😎
i love the cooler master case in the background. my favorite case of all
It's up to you Jay your the one that has to look at it everyday
Yes we want the stacker mod and I have a Cooler Master Nepton 240 M.
I have some really thick radiators in my rig, had to get a larger extended top just to fit them :P
you've got the black ice rads right?
you also have those big tvs lol everything you own is huge
Would love to see that build.
What I did learn was that radiators perform better than I thought even without any fans. Pretty cool. Glad you do these kinds of videos. I know it wash
t super long or in depth but a couple things I think were worth noting is that the thicker radiators only perform better at higher fan speeds and they actually perform notably worse at low fan speeds. At around 600 RPM or less, a 30mm rad performs better than a 45, 60, or 80mm (especially if you go apples to apples and compare only Alphacool who offers all four sizes) and the 80mm performs the worst at that speed. If I remember correctly, you have to get up above 800-1000rpm before the 60mm thick rad starts to perform better and the 80mm rad doesn't perform better at all until up above 1200 RPM, IIRC, which is pretty fast and loud. The tests I've seen actually never show the 45mm performing better, it just jumps from 30mm being best at low-mid speeds to 60mm being best up in the higher speed range. I'm guessing there's a pretty narrow window around 700 RPM where 45 performs best. My big full tower build has a 280 60mm and 420 45mm and I went with medium and thick rads in that because like a lot of other first time builders, I though thicker would perform better, except I like to run very quiet fans (whole point of water cooling to me) so in my new smaller Caselabs build, I've gone with all 30mm thick rads.
And another thing worth noting is that the width (i.e. when going from 120mm wide rads to 140mm rads) actually does make a good difference. 140 fans usually have less dead space on the radiator, for one thing. But the main thing is that a lot of people have room to fit a wider 140 rad but might not being above to fit a longer, but going with the wider rad can increase the cooling capacity enough to make up the difference versus a narrower 120mm wide rad that is one fan longer than a given 140mm wide rad. For example a triple 140 rad actually has slightly more cooling capacity than a quad 120 and a dual 140 has almost as much cooling capacity as a triple 120. In my full tower build I went with all 140 wide rads so they're only a triple and a dual 140 yet they're equivalent approximately to a quad + triple 120 setup. In my new Caselabs build I'm going for smaller form factor so space is an issue, so I went with two dual rads (one being a 120 and one being a 140), but since one is a dual 140, it's almost like having a triple 120 while it's a good bit shorter than a triple.
LOL so funny when he says "if you hated it you also know where you can stick it" made me laugh so much
When I was running a CPU only loop, I used a single Alphacool XT45 420 for my 4930K @ 4.5GHz. Even with Prime95 the temp topped out at 70C, and gaming never exceeded 60C. Used Koolance 380i CPU block.
Recently expanded the loop to include 2x Gigabyte 970s, so tossed in another Alphacool UT60 360. Just finished plumbing literally 12 hours ago so still leak testing, but can't wait to fire up the thing and see what kinda temps I get.
Jay, Thx for all your videos.. I am an oldschool water cooler guy (1999) from back in the days of Danger Den being one of the few companies doing it then and also using Enhiem pond pumps 120V. I have done 3 WC setups in my time .. the last being 8 years ago. Just ordered 700$ worth of WC parts to get me started on my WC setup. Wish me luck.. wish you were here to help! lol I ran out of funds and plan on adding my GTX 980ti into the loop a little later. I'm making sure to setup a drain area so making changes should be easier. My biggest issue now is flushing my new rads without going out and buying pond pumps etc to do it.. budget is spent!
EKWB XRES 140 REVO D5 PWM Pump/Res combo Sleeved + mounting bracket
EK Supremacy EVO Nickel Water block for CPU
Black Ice Nemesis WHITE 280GTX Radiator (Noctua fans already in case)
Black Ice Nemesis WHITE 240GTX Radiator (not sure on fans yet)
Primochill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT White tubing 10ft 3/8 ID 5/8 OD
XSPC 3/8ID - 5/8 OD black chrome compression fittings (most cost friendly good fittings I could find)
Bitspower 90 Degree rotary adapters in sparkle black to match XSPC fittings
Mayhem Silver Kill coil
Mayhem Pastel Coolant 1 litre (how much shoud I need?)
XSPC T fitting to build drain area
Bitspower Valve for drain area
Small plastic funnel
I'm using 1200mm radiator capacity in my custom NZXT Switch 810:
-XSPC EX480
-XSPC RX360
-XSPC EX240
-XSPC EX120
Neptune 2.0 - NZXT Switch 810 Build Log Part 6 - Completion
My Corsair fans all run at 7V and I get an average of 47C on my 3770K @ 4.6GHz and 51C max on my 680 SLI @ 1215core/7204mem. I suggest that if modding is what you like to do and there is space for it in the case, why not. My Dwood pedestal under my 810 case was custom made for 420 rads and I modded it to shove a 480 down there, for example.
Thanks for this very useful video Jay. I hope to see this Stacker build soon!!
One EK Quantum P480mm Rad cooling my Ryzen 7800X3D and my Red Devil 7900 xtx. Two temp sensors using commander core XT. GPU stock air cooled, idle temps 40ish, when I put the EK Quantum GPU block, temps dropped by 25c. One rad seems to be doing a very good job cooling the CPU & the GPU.
These older videos are just great man , thanks old Jay or should I say younger Jay ?
Technically a radiator, even with a fan on it, is passive cooling. It's not using energy to dissipate heat but instead is simply allowing the natural properties of energy to transfer heat energy from a high energy system (your radiator) to a lower energy system (the air around your computer).
Active cooling uses energy to remove energy: this is how your refrigerator works. It uses energy to compresses a gas into a liquid and then uses the natural result of a liquid changing to a gas to cool your computer.
It's the same physical process that makes a can of compressed air get cold when you use it to blow out cookie crumbs from your keyboard. There's a propellant that is compressed to a liquid in the can (which requires energy) and as you press the valve on the can the liquid converts to a gas and expands.
Converting from a liquid to a gas spreads the energy that was in a compact form to a larger area. That means the average energy for a given area is much less than it was before the liquid converted to a gas. Since energy moves from higher to lower the lower energy gas can absorb heat energy from a higher energy system, in this case your computer components.
I'm running two (yes 2) Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta (the 80mm thick kinds) full copper 560mm (4x140) externally mounted radiators, cooling them with 16 Noctua NF-A14 fans all hooked up to my Phantom 560 fan controller running at 5volts.
It was my first watercooling build, I had a big budget to play with and figured why not do something big? All I know is, no matter how hot components get, they're not getting anywhere close to the max heat wattage those two radiators can cool off.
GFG - This is Smitten! What case did you use?!
i love it you show more then any other video i seened about water cooling.
Watching this video made my laugh. How far you have come, sir.
I like the thicker rads, but I haven't used the 80mm yet. I still have good cooling from old danger den rads on my older system, a QX based rig. They take a ton of heat from a QX kentsville and SLI'd 8800 GTX SC's. 480mm of rad, MCP655 , & a long loop. I still run it from time to time & love the PC.
It's always sad to see a water cooling component manufacturer close its doors.
Now, I've got the i7-4770k, but I haven't decided on what I want to do for the case. I like that stacker 9XX with the secondary enclosure for the liquid loop or itx capabilities. I do want to build up a case for the build, but the time to weld what I want will take a while... not to mention the sheet metal break & tapping the threads. Just a lot of work.
You're definitely headed in the right direction with the channel. Any Titan, Black Editions headed out your way? Very curious to see these daunting GPUs! Wonder if they've added any OpenCL enhancements to benefit those GPU crypto clowns. I hope not, FPGA is going to rip the market to shreds & if Nvidia has a viable GPU for mining... the used market will be crap as no one other than a miner will buy a burned out junker.
AMD should prepare for the value drop due to highly overclocked & already on the thermal fringe of silicon degradation in r9 GPUs.
You should stay with the 900d. Unless the stacker is just a side project, whatever funds allow I guess.
Inside of a Bitfenix Phenom ITX:
(1) Alphacool 180mm x 45mm rad | Phobya 180 Q
(1) Alphacool 240mm x 30mm rad | Corsair SP120 Q
4770k OC 4.6
GTX 780
All with great temps! Mind you I modded the case a bit for better air flow.
I have a 900D also, and am using two 45mm 480 Rads and one 45mm 240 Rad, for my cooling.
I have a quick question regarding passive cooling. You said at the beginning of the video that you can turn off the fans on your rads and you only see temperatures increase by about 10 degrees under load. My question is, how long did you run it under load? Because the rads will get hotter over time without fans and the cooling passive cooling performance should decrease correct?
Depends on the amount of radiator space you have. Mine is probably capable of cooler over 1000w of heat, probably half that at passive, which my system doesnt exceed. When I tested it, I fell asleep... ran for a few hours.
I'm not sure why he said that. I tried running a 240mm rad with no fans, temps went up so quickly and touching the rad almost burned me. Unless he has another way that aid flows through the radiator, I don't see that working.
***** alright thanks for the reply. Makes more sense now. I was thinking eventually I could maybe do a completely silent build without fans if I have enough radiators.
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Well that's becuase he has 840mm worth of rads, you don't even have a 3rd of that so ofcourse it doesn't work! A 240mm rad is hardly enough to cool a full system WITH fans, you have to be pretty stupid to try it without them.
Natural convection is a good way to move air ( heat goes up) I saw a really cool completely fanless system (specially designed!!! don't try it with your case!) and it was amazing to see how much air actually moved trough the case using just natural convection. It was demonstrated by putting a smoke machine next to it and you could really see the case sucking up the smoke.
Upyours oneoone ok
I'm going to be adapting my wife's system for water cooling first. She's got a Corsair 750D (not nearly as large as the 900D), and I'm going to start with a 360mm radiator in the roof to cool her CPU and a single video card. Might then decide to overclock her CPU a little as well after everything's confirmed stable.
When I add a second video card to her system to run SLI, then I'll probably add another 120mm or 240mm radiator, though if I go for a front-mount rad, it'll need to be a 280, I think. When the time comes, I'll look again.
For fans, going with Corsair SP120s -- not sure if it'll be the quiet or high performance ones, though I'm leaning toward the quiet ones right now.
Then I'll probably be looking at water-cooling my system later this year. My system's in a smaller case -- Zalman Z12 -- so it'll be interesting. I can only go with a 240mm rad in the roof, so for radiator space on that one I'll probably have to have two 240s -- one in the roof, the other outside the case -- which could make things interesting... Or I'll just need to move it all into a larger case.
I use the ID-cooling hunter duet one which is an AIO Water cooling loop for your CPU and GPU.
Jay, Nice video man I think you should take the top off of the stacker and put it on the bottom (If it can be done) and use put one rad on the top and another on the front and use normal acrylic tubing/bent acrylic with different degree compression fittings or do the opposite and keep the top on it and put the rads in there and run the same set up.
Have a look at my water cooled build. I have been running this machine for almost 2 years and it runs like a top.
I have a second build on my work bench that needs to go in for copper plating.
With a 30 fpi you have to use a high static fan will push lots of air but at low settings.
yes. mod it. no hesitation at all on that reply. also if you can, make vlogs of the modding process jay. would be a joy to watch you put your creativity to work.
Brass is an alloy mostly of copper. Copper is soft but brass is hard and machinable. Bungs that are threaded are better in brass and work well with copper. All the plumbing in your house is the same. Copper pipes w/ brass fittings.
I'll be honest, I've never done any water cooling. My HAF 932 with a 212 Evo Cooler keeps everything pretty cool and quiet. 230mm Fans are pretty quiet even at full speed. But I have been considering trying it in an old Alienware case that I came across. As a mechanic, I understand the benefits of water cooling and have been itching to give it a try.
Completed my first ever watercooling project not long ago got a 3570k running at 4.7ghz being cooled by 2x EX240 rads with low rpm fans in an aerocool ds cube. Gonna add a gtx780 at some point when I can afford the card and block.
Overclock a threadripper under full load and you will need plenty 'o rad space, especially if you want it to run quiet. Running dual 560 Monstas. Fans only come on at all after a couple of minutes at full load.
mod the sh!t out of that stacker jay!!
I just buillt a haf stacker 935. I woiuld luv to see you mod it PPAPAPAPPAPALEASE
go case labs :D
i use a tripple radiator with 3 high CFM Fans. Also a strong pump helps. My 3930k overclocks at 4.8 no problem. I've gotten it to 5.1 but it wasnt stable.
I'm using an XSPC kit which came with a 240mm Rad at 30mm thick, and that's cooling my 8150 at 4.2GHz and 6970, does a very good job with it. I'm running corsair sp fans at about 30% power too
I have one closed loop radiator from Corsair on my CPU. But I would encourage you to mod the case you like and do it all the way.
My custom loop setup holds 2 360mm rads with a thickness of 3,8cm and a 150ml reservoir. I use 12 / 16 mm acryl tubing. Im a bit late to the Party but i just build my first custom loop 5 days ago ^^.
It's 2020, this Jay is way different than the current one.
Using 900d as well, 2 x black ice 480 SR1, 1 x black ice 240 SR1. I really enjoy your videos, please make more. Mini itx water cooling :D
I have never used a custom liquid cooling set up, but my friend and I are building a computer for expirimenting and we will be using a custom liquid cooling set up. My friend will be using the kit when we are done and might buy one for myself. They look pretty cool if you ask me.
When you use water cooling, should the fans be on the radiator:
A: Outside pushing air in to the case
B: Outside pulling the air from the case
C: Inside pushing air out from the case
D: Inside pulling air in to the case?
Thank you in advance!
No liquid right now but planning next build and I think it will be liquid cooled.
Considering the big stacker case so I can put the cooling and power supplies in the bottom and a NAS farm in the top.
This will keep all of that type of gear in one place instead of trying to find homes for it else where.
Thinking of running three video cards so lots of cooling to keep it all running stable and fast.
The other side of this for me it that I will be building a system for my wife as well, it will be the same less the NAS farm.
Thanks for the great video.
In regard to the stacker, Id say go for it. I enjoy seeing you have fun.
When i had 240 rad from alphacool which was 30 thick and replaced it with ek xtx 240 rad, it made my temp from 36-38 c to 29-31 degrees.
i run i7-4770k at 4.6ghz
I'm using Thermaltake Dual Pacific RL480 120mm 8 total fans two side by side on top and on each sides along with one front mount Pacific 200mm and 140mm fan RL 360. I never have to turn CPU off and average temps 17-21c. Pretty over kill but so good.
I've always wanted to watercool, but I've never really gotten around to actually doing it. So I'm still using air cooling and only modest overclocking and I'm actually quite happy with it. If I ever watercool my system I'm probably getting a corsair case, but something smaller than the 900D and then see what I can fit in it. I find the stacker case plain ugly, that's why I wouldn't even consider buying and modding one of those.
I'm generally a fan of understatement, so better office computer cases that look more valuable and have more features like USB3 ports and such are what I like the most. Corsair and Lian Li are doing a good job there imho.
Using a Lian Li B25F with a 280mm in the roof and a 240mm up front -
i5-3570k @ 4.6GHz and 2 x AMD R9 290
CPU can hit around 60-65 under extreme stress and video cards into the low 50s (degress celsius)
Gets a bit warm in the summer but not so bad in the winter, will be upgrading to a Caselabs S8 soon so will move up to 360mm radiators and some quieter fans!
I am running a closed loop Corsair H100i with 2 120mm fans on a slightly overclocked CPU and it keeps it nice and cool and it is maintenance free and under a $100
Yo Jay, wanna do an Ultimate Waterblock Guide? :P
Mod the stacker Jay!
using more radiators for more fans at lower speeds will expand hot zones under high loads... and can be an issue. i would jus use a quad in push/pull. can be louder but heat is not spreading as much. for smaller loads u can use as many as u can fit/afford
jay actually helped me in deciding my rig a little.
Intel i7-4770k, ASUS z-87 sabertooth, G.SKILL Sniper Gaming Series 16GB DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600. 2 gtx 770's sli, 240 ssd and 1 tb sshd, CORSAIR HX1050 power, all tucked away in a NZXT Phantom 820.
been running it for a day with the stock cpu cooler, and ya not working. was hoping it could last long enuf to get a custom loop but nope.... just went and got a CORSAIR H100i so it should be all golden for a while till i figure out if i want to still do a loop
Crazy how long ago this video was made and how much his content has advanced
Jay i have a 4770k oc to 4,7 and a gtx 770 and am planing to do my first watercooling build is an alphacool 360 30 mm and an alphacool 360 60 mm enough for some heavy oc and will be enough if i deside to add another gtx 770 in the future
Great vid. Thanx. I'm new to liquid cooling and have always shied away from it because of that. So I decided to go with an all in 1 solution for my first time with a H100i. I'm about to use it in my new build which I will hopefully get around to building tonight or tommarrow.
My system had 2 GPUs and a Core i7 3930K running off of a Hardware labs GT Stealth 280MM rad on top and a Phobya 200mm radiator in the front of my Corsair 650D. Pump was a variable speed D5 and all blocks were black acetal and nickel plated from EK
h100i on fx 8350 OC the turbo clock to 4.8ghz gives me that extra juice I need in skyrim with all my mods and with dolphin and PCXS2
I've just got an h110i from corsair. I was trying to stay all air because I didn't trust water in my system, but I really wasn't liking the temps and its hard to keep it quiet and clean with 13 fans running 24/7, so I had to just get over it... I mounted the radiator in the front of my case so at least 50/50 shot that any failure would be away from all components. I do plan on upgrading the fans, the ones that came with it are way too loud compared to my case fans.
Love this guy!! Sorry if I don't "like" every video I watch, because I watch a lot of them!! Thank you so much for all of the free advice!!! You know your shit sir.
I actually had 3 double 120 radiators mounted in the case before, then as a joke tried a plain old car radiator with the loop and it actually performed much better then the other 3 together, so I made some 90° case side mounts for it and just kept it. Sure isn't compact but it's not like my PC is going anywhere.
im using a swiftech h220 as my entry into watercooling
the rule of thumb i know, says one 120,, rad per 100W heat. so a 300W graphics card needs a 360 rad alone. but that rule applies to quiet cooling.
something like the asus ares 2 is proof, that one 120mm rad is pretty strong.
i personally had one 360 only for my cpu. i added a second one, cause i planned to add a graphicscard. but that card never showed up then so i had two 360''s only for my FX-8320. the rads were alphacool 45mm think rtads, i had them running in push pull with bitfenix spectre pro at 5V.
even with that low speed, my cpu ran with 4,8GHz and something near 1,5V and was not hotter than 50°C
so, my next watercooling build will be that oversized again.
Extremely informative. Great video Jay!
YES mod the stacker! I have one too and I really need a tutorial to see what I can do to fit in bigger rads!
im using a magicool dual 180mm rad. Its massive
Hello, should I make 280mm sandwich (with nautilus fan) radiator? Worth it?
Why don't they ever give you cooling capacity ratings?
Too many variables.
It could work if manufacturers had some standard loop to test them in, but it might mislead people who don't know better, and this is an area where knowledge isn't all that standardized, with a lot of anecdotal experiences instead (like Someone with years of experience saying full copper isn't better than mixed brass and aluminium at dissipating heat, witch is flat out wrong, copper has over 3 times better heat conductivity than brass and almost twice as much as aluminium, but is waaaaaay more expensive). It's just that the results don't often show as much given how little that impacts versus the size of the rad, the fluid flow in it, the ari flow through it, etc.
almost every situation could be calculable easily (probably online calculator) from a standardized rating though?
2Awesome some easily misled ignorant beginners could make that backfire quite easily, besides, you would need an industry wide agreement and that is hard to get. Besides, every part of this is expensive, from the fluid to the fittings, to the radiators and a reliable testing platform, and I am under the impression they don't really have the kind of demand to make this thing happen while cutting into their margins (air coolers manufacturers sure don't, relying on third party reviewers to get it done).
Besides, as has been demonstrated, a single 240mm rad is usually enough to handle both a cpu and a gpu overclocked, with some 300w worth of heat, so there is not as much demand for "would this be enough" as one would be think. "Get the biggest rad you can fit" is the most repeated advice regarding rad size and cooling capacity in the watercooling community.
Currently using 1 280X30mm rad and 1 360x60mm rad, both 8fpi, and running push only on both. These radiators are cooling just my GTX 780 and my I5 2500k@4,6GHz
Mod the HAF stacker. You should make a dual system build with the stacker, and run them both on the same loop. Just because you can.
I have a fx 6300 cooled by an Antec 620 v4 in a Fractal Design arc midi r2. Under full load the max temp is 47 Celsius at stock, silent as an assassin. My Asus r9 280x with an overclock to 1150 MHz is maxing out at 62 Celsius below 30% fan speed.
I'm researching how to size a radiator for a car and your video helped! Thank youuu
Dedicated cooling box in the stacker awesome mod.
my temps and noise have gone up ever since my 480 leaked and I had to remove it, now I'm down to a 240 and a 140 to cool my 295x2s and cpu, I need a new rad whenever I can afford one, I wish I had a handful of rads like you do in this video
Better late than never is what people say; so on that note, here's my current setup, and upcoming build.
Current: custom loop featuring XSPC RX360 radiator cooling Intel CPU and Radeon HD7950 housed in a (crappy) AZZA Genesis 9000.
Upcoming: custom loop featuring same GPU and GPU with an EKWB 240 XTX radiator and an Darkside (62 mm) 240 mm radiator housed in a Corsair Air 540 (flipped window-side up).
As for my thoughts on the Cooler Master HAF Stacker; cool concept, but how is the quality of materials used? If the quality is so-so, then that's a deal breaker for me (had way too many cases made from the thinnest steel)
Jay, you just answered all my questions in a 8 minute video. Thank you.
I also thought about doing the same thing with the stacker back when I was planning my new build but in the end I went with the 900D because I really liked all the space inside of it and since I wanted to put a double loop in mine I wanted to make sure I had the extra space. I love the alphacool rads but I ended up going the XSPC rads because they had them in white in all the sizes I wanted. Alphacool seems to only offer the white rad in a 360. I ended up going with a 480 and 360 rad in the bottom with a 360 rad also in the top all 40mm thick. Complete overkill but this system is all about overkill :) I just hope the XSPC rads are as good as the price tag that was attached to them. They were more than the AC rads
Mod the stacker
One AIO here, the H60 for my CPU. A simple, small 120mm rad. Got it because the airflow in my case is still great, but I wanted to squeeze just a little more juice out of my CPU, which I couldn't with aircooling.
I hate how the stacker looks, but if you mod it to fit the dual 480's in and do so hard tubing, then it will look epic. :).
jay i would like to hear your thoughts on the nzxt kraken g10
360mm XFlow for aesthetic neatness, went with a Black Ice Nemesis, and its only for the cpu for now, keeps it at pretty much ambient temp. Gonna add another 280 Rad in the front when I upgrade my graphics card and add it to the loop, as watercooling a 960 would be a waste of money.
My god this is so old it brings back memories
im currently running a dual 120 in the top of my corsair 760, but im soon upgrading to a tripple 140 in the top and a dual 140 in the front.
Going to build a system later this year, but haven't decided about what water cooling i should use
I have one monsta 240 and planning on rebuild my case to fit another one. Running high oc 3770k and a gtx 780. It works great but still want lower temps. Water temp havent been over 40c yet.
these Guides videos are amazing don't stop doing them please.
one little suggestion, I think the intro and the music in them are a little bit outdated like something from 2000.
thanks a lot for the great videos any way :)
The intro and music is exactly what I wanted :)
I use a Watercool MO-RA3 9x 120mm with noiseblocker black silent m12-s2 @ 550 rpm wich can go up to 1000 rpm, controled by a aquaero 5..
In the cooling loop are a Core i7 4930k @ 4.3 GHz,one Geforce GTX Titan @ 1100/3260, the aquaero 5 and the Hdds wich are in a silentstar 2.
hell ya mod that stack the whole stacker if you can and put down were you get and buy everything from , like the acrylic fittings , acrylic tubing and everyother water cooling things what store, how much , and hows it done.
I would love to see you mod that case.
I don't have a liquid cooling setup as of now, but since the corsair 760T will be able to fit a 360 rad at the top, I'm in the market for one
I like the new poll system btw
naaah just for the modding part and for the sake of doing it i would go with the haf stacker but otherwise i think the 900d does a good job on the whole.
Hay Jay, love your channel, keep up the good work. Just wanted to point out that COPPER ABSOLUTELY does give you better temps! Better than any other metal other than silver. Copper is a fantastic heat conductor. Google it, there are plenty of graphs comparing different metals and their heat dissipating properties. This is important info for people choosing pc watercooling components.
it will be nice if you can dona video on cases....coz after spending a lot of cash on watercooling parts I realised that i can't install a fan with the radiater because there was no space so if you can do this it will be nice
Mod the stacker to fit dual 480's and use acrylic tubing. It will look awesome
i use 2 rad, 1 is ek-pe 240mm snd 2 is xspc-ex240mm.
for ek-supremacy evo nickle / WB(fullboard) gtx970
temp is CPU idel Idel 30/ Max 55 and GPU Idel 32/ Max 42
EK 4.0 pump
myloop work fine , i love it
prefer the 900D id say go acrylic tubing in that
I got a stacker, gonna put 2 360 rads in it, but first I need to save up a lil bit of money.