Sorry for the slow response but...no I'd choose the AT 4053 for indoor applications. If you have to choose only one, you could get by with this shotgun mic in indoor settings but in a perfect world, try to use a cardioid pattern mic without an interference tube so you avoid any artifacts or distortion in your recording.
@@MaineMountainMedia Thank you for answering this. But I'm confused by your answer. Shouldn't the interference tube *reject* reflections, just as it's meant to do with ambient noise? Generally, the further away from the source, the more a typical mic will pick up room reflections. But a more focused mic like a shotgun should pick up more source and less room. No? I'm asking about this because I'm currently using a 414 indoors in the hypercardiod pattern, and wondering whether a shotgun mic like the 2017 would work better.
@@maxhighstein Hi Max, great question. It's not a simple topic so I'll do my best but forgive me if I don't explain properly. A shotgun pattern condenser microphone has a focused polar pattern, but it relies on one trick. The trick is it has an interference tube which allows sound waves from the sides to enter into the microphone from different distances to the mic capsule. As these are essentially the same sound waves, when they reach the capsule at different times, the peak from one sound wave is the equal/opposite of the valley of the same sound frequency. This causes that sound waves to "cancel" each other out. So it's not that the sounds from the side are simply not picked up. The sounds from the side do still pick up. It's a great trick and it works wonderfully if you're in an environment where the sounds from the side are not desired. The problem occurs when the sound from the front of the mic (your voice indoors) matches the sound from the sides (your voice reflecting off the wall). It's trying to cancel the reflected sounds off the wall but in doing so it effectively cancels certain frequencies of your desired voice sounds. The result is a hollow sounding recording. It's true there likely won't be much reverb but your recording will not be very rich and full sounding. Of course in a sound treated room to cut down on reverberant sounds, this problem will not occur. If there's no voice reflecting off the walls, a shotgun mic will do wonderfully, as will most mics. If you have a good microphone (The AKG C414 is a very good mic) and you don't want reverb in the final recording, keep your mic and just invest in some sound blankets or sound panels to treat your recording space. Also play around with microphone placement. Proximity is your friend with sound recording. The closer you are the more isolated the sound is. All the fancy microphones in the world won't replace a good room treatment and good microphone placement so play around a bit. Sorry for the long response, I hope this was at least a little helpful. Of course don't let me steer you away from the DPA 2017. It's a wonderful microphone and I've loved using it these past few months, but for indoor vocal recordings I'd be surprised if it outperformed a 414.
Hi Paul, how confident are you in the mic being able to reject off axis sound & isolate a subject infront of it? I'm debating between this one and a 416, and considering the DPA is a decent amount shorter, I'm worried about using it for doc shoots
Great question and thank for watching. The DPA is probably not going to reject size noise as much as the 416. The 416 does color the sound off-axis more from my use and hearing from others. For my use case, I plan to run this on camera a lot so having audio off-axis still capture in a natural sounding way is helpful for my use, but your use case may be different. If it's isolating the audio in front of the mic that is most important to you, the 416 is probably the better option between these two.
That's a tough call. For me it would be worth it because I highly value the shorter size, and brighter sound. I use it on-camera quite often and the 416 just doesn't fit on my rig. So for me it's a yes but everyone is different.
Gotta sub for a Mainer, good stuff!
Heck yes! thanks for watching!
Thanks ! do you advice the 2017 for indoor recording or rather p.e. AT4053 ? best regards
Sorry for the slow response but...no I'd choose the AT 4053 for indoor applications. If you have to choose only one, you could get by with this shotgun mic in indoor settings but in a perfect world, try to use a cardioid pattern mic without an interference tube so you avoid any artifacts or distortion in your recording.
thanks !! regards @@MaineMountainMedia
@@MaineMountainMedia Thank you for answering this. But I'm confused by your answer. Shouldn't the interference tube *reject* reflections, just as it's meant to do with ambient noise? Generally, the further away from the source, the more a typical mic will pick up room reflections. But a more focused mic like a shotgun should pick up more source and less room. No? I'm asking about this because I'm currently using a 414 indoors in the hypercardiod pattern, and wondering whether a shotgun mic like the 2017 would work better.
@@maxhighstein Hi Max, great question. It's not a simple topic so I'll do my best but forgive me if I don't explain properly. A shotgun pattern condenser microphone has a focused polar pattern, but it relies on one trick. The trick is it has an interference tube which allows sound waves from the sides to enter into the microphone from different distances to the mic capsule. As these are essentially the same sound waves, when they reach the capsule at different times, the peak from one sound wave is the equal/opposite of the valley of the same sound frequency. This causes that sound waves to "cancel" each other out. So it's not that the sounds from the side are simply not picked up. The sounds from the side do still pick up. It's a great trick and it works wonderfully if you're in an environment where the sounds from the side are not desired. The problem occurs when the sound from the front of the mic (your voice indoors) matches the sound from the sides (your voice reflecting off the wall). It's trying to cancel the reflected sounds off the wall but in doing so it effectively cancels certain frequencies of your desired voice sounds. The result is a hollow sounding recording. It's true there likely won't be much reverb but your recording will not be very rich and full sounding. Of course in a sound treated room to cut down on reverberant sounds, this problem will not occur. If there's no voice reflecting off the walls, a shotgun mic will do wonderfully, as will most mics. If you have a good microphone (The AKG C414 is a very good mic) and you don't want reverb in the final recording, keep your mic and just invest in some sound blankets or sound panels to treat your recording space. Also play around with microphone placement. Proximity is your friend with sound recording. The closer you are the more isolated the sound is. All the fancy microphones in the world won't replace a good room treatment and good microphone placement so play around a bit. Sorry for the long response, I hope this was at least a little helpful. Of course don't let me steer you away from the DPA 2017. It's a wonderful microphone and I've loved using it these past few months, but for indoor vocal recordings I'd be surprised if it outperformed a 414.
Hi Paul, how confident are you in the mic being able to reject off axis sound & isolate a subject infront of it? I'm debating between this one and a 416, and considering the DPA is a decent amount shorter, I'm worried about using it for doc shoots
Great question and thank for watching. The DPA is probably not going to reject size noise as much as the 416. The 416 does color the sound off-axis more from my use and hearing from others. For my use case, I plan to run this on camera a lot so having audio off-axis still capture in a natural sounding way is helpful for my use, but your use case may be different. If it's isolating the audio in front of the mic that is most important to you, the 416 is probably the better option between these two.
I found a brand new mkh416 for 790 euro and a dpa 2017 for 930 euro.
Would you go for the dpa even tho is 140 more expensive?
That's a tough call. For me it would be worth it because I highly value the shorter size, and brighter sound. I use it on-camera quite often and the 416 just doesn't fit on my rig. So for me it's a yes but everyone is different.