Borg vs. Species 8472
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- Опубликовано: 27 фев 2012
- Scene from Star Trek Voyager episode "Scorpion". The Borg are losing the Battle against Species 8472. Desperate for survival, they take Voyager into fluetic space to fight them in their own realm.
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The fight between the Borg and Species 8472 shows off the Borg's greatest weakness. If they can't directly assimilate something, they have no way of fighting it. In just a few days, the individual minds of Voyager find a solution that the Borg couldn't, even with their advanced tech. Basically, the Borg dont seem to have intuition and creativity.
Communism, in a nutshell.
Well, there's also the _ludicrous_ firepower those bioships were packing.
@@lukebaines7785 They fought off Nazis.
@@marsneedstowels Stalin or Hitler: who killed more? Mao or Hitler? Yeah...
@@lukebaines7785 Yea I think I would take Hitler because I like being gassed more than worked and starved to death.
Loved these episodes. Voyager is still my favorite series. This scene still holds up, 20 years later
Voyager is criminally underrated. I grew up watching TNG.. loved it. But after Voyager.. can never go back. Voyager must have written by true Star Trek fans
These particular episodes were good.
Im rewatching voyager on netflix
@@ginjopowder Its too bad they ended Voyager in Netflix at least for the US.
Has it been 20 years!???
The Borg are one of my favorite characters in Sci-Fi but it was cool to see them get their asses kicked by Species 8472. "There's always a bigger fish." -Qui-Gon Jinn
lol
+SteveSabbai If that's true...
Who's the bigger fish to 8472? *shudders*
+yaburu Q
+BiohazardCrow Who's bigger than Q?
Gene Roddenberry :D
After all these years I still have a special place in my heart for Species 8472. I just wish they would be ok to an alliance with humanity. Very special creatures with an anger management problem like the Borg.
Yep, they just needed a far more badass name.
Anyone who can give the Borg pause is pretty awesome.
@@donarthiazi2443 i believe they're called the undine
I don't think they had much interest in our part of the galaxy once they were convinced that Starfleet or the Borg were no longer a threat to them and not going to enter their space anymore.
..you. probably don't get out much eh?
The Borg picked on someone bigger than them. It was a mistake. The scary space zombie thing only gets one so far...
@guyverjay No, they wouldn't have. The Borg's adaptation always depended on being familiar with the technology they were facing through assimilation. Because they couldn't assimilate S8472's technology, they would have never been able to match them.
@guyverjay Figuring out how to modify the nanoprobes to be effective against S8472 required experimentation on the part of Voyager. The Borg don't experiment, they just assimilate. They lack the capacity for creative thought that is part of the experimentation process.
@guyverjay To stuff they have assimilated before. If they haven't assimilated it, they are incapable of adapting to it.
Did Janeway f***** up I'm making a deal with them ain't that a b**** they were winning they finally went up against Mike Tyson and was losing big time
@@patrickstivers7387 They absolutely have the ability to experiment and learn. Thats the entire point of their character in the show. Where do you think they started?
I have met Jeri Ryan in person and she is a super-nice person! In fact, I was killing time in the hotel lobby when she walked up to me and struck up a conversation. It took me a few seconds to realize who she was....she was in jeans, no make-up, and her hair was combed down straight. Very kind woman, she and I had a nice chat. I've also met (among MANY others), Susanna Thompson from Voyager. No Borg make-up and she looked and sounded like any other woman. So happy to have met many Trek stars over the years. My sons were called up onstage with Avery Brooks when they were little, and that was epic.
+Diane G My brother-in-law got to (briefly) meet Jonathan Frakes a few years ago and says he was a very nice guy.
He is, I have met him 2 times. Last time would have been the 3rd but he was snowed in in Maine where he lives and the flew Gates McFadden out of CA to take his place. I was ectastic cause I'd never met her before and she was awesome to me and my sons. She was super-nice to my boys. It was a couple of days before Halloween when we met her and she talked with them a lot about their costumes for trick or treat, said her son had grown about about a foot in a year's time and towered over her now, lol. Very nice. I don't care for TOS people. And I never got into Enterprise, although we did meet Scott Bakula briefly and he was fine.
Peace!
+Diane G cool I met Harry Kim. I forget his real name I was a kid when it happened. He was at the fair and I talked to him he was a nice guy.
@@demarcusfaulkner7411 Garret Wang if i remember correctly....
Appearing like ordinary people... that's how they begin their infiltration.
"And Tuvak, make sure to bring that hot catsuit I've working on for my Etsy shop"
Species 8472 are also known as the "undine". They have ships made of organic material (flesh) rather than metal. Very odd species
Not the first time, even in Star Trek, that organic ships were used. Tin Man is an example from TNG.
I'm pretty sure they were never referred to as "undine" on the show. It's not canon. I know they use that term on STO and maybe some of the novels?
oregonflatland
sto is were they are mentioned in the early 25th century they were at war with the undine
correct Malou Franden but there designation by the borg is species 8472 the undine were never mentioned in the shows or were they mentioned in novels sto was the first time they were called undine
Brad AWESOMIZED They were also called that in the StarTrek Online
"Do it". I love a Starfleet officer with guts, so many of them just want to talk.
A " resonance graviton beam! " that creates a "singularity". They came up with the coolest words. That's why I love Star Trek.
Technobabble at its finest ^^
Star Trek didn't come up with any of those words, but it sure does use sciency sounding words well.
While a "resonance graviton beam" might not exist, those words all do, "resonance" deals with frequency, "graviton" describes a particle of gravity, or a way to describe it, and a "beam" of course is a beam.
A singularity is a 2d point of infinite density, from which not even light can escape
@@rawhidelampJust call it a black hole bro.
@@codename495 🤓
When the big fish got curbstomped by the even bigger fish.
Or in this case when the big fish got curbstomped by a tactical nuclear warhaed
fluidic space sounds terrifying to be trapped in
you're stuck in a universally-sized living ocean
And imagine the shit that lives there! Species 8472 is so tough, they must have had a reason to be so. Forced to evolve in a universe much tougher than our own. Perhaps they are not even a powerful race where they come from. 😮
There is a serious problem with the physics of it since it would require that the entire unuverse there would have insanely high pressures or a fundamental difference in how gravity works which would mean that planets wouldn't be able to function and of course there would be no stars...
One of the worst transgressions against science they ever made in all of Trek... Until STD Drek of course.
True but sometimes you just have to go with it and take it for it is@@eschelar
Voyager arrives home
Admiral Paris reads reports.
"Janeway, were you drinking"?
Can only imagine his face reading the report on tom transforming into a giant newt
Tensa Zangetsu - you make a very good point! 👍🤣🤣
@@1993bahamut :"... aand it says here that you yourself... you also devolved intlo a newt?"
"Well, we're not sure about the 'devolved' part. It could be a future form of our species, too."
"Ookay... and what happened n- ...
(Beat)
..captain, am I reading this right?"
"There was offspring, if that's what you mean, sir."
Did you read the part about them wanting to exterminate all life in the galaxy
Anyway take a chill pill and skip to the report about the station with a holographic replica of Starfleet. An where we formed a kind of understanding with Species 8472.
They might think its unbelievable until they read the ship logs lol.
If you ever wanted to see a clash of the titans, that battle scene was it! The Borg Collective, the picture of power, might, and evil; squaring off against the mysterious might of species 8472! Two races in a class by themselves, duking it out over thousands of light years of space. Without a doubt the best episode of Star Trek Voyager. That series may not have been great as a whole, but this storyline defined epic.
I wonder what would come of a war between 8472 and the Shadows from Babylon 5...
If the Federation was smart, they´d try to turn all their enemies against each other: Borg vs. 8472 vs. Dominion. Maybe let the Cardassians & the Romulans join in the war, too. And then just sit on DS9 & enjoy the fireworks.
harpyion now THAT would be a show...
harpyion
DS9 was just one of hundreds of of star bases. Also, there are a lot of colonies.
Eventually, the crossfire of so much war would kill off some of those colonies and bases and it might even cost the federation more than it would cost to engage in war.
Losing too much territory and research progress could set them back so far that they no longer pose any effective resistance. When that happens, any one of the factions could just take the remaining territory and render the federation and all its species extinct.
That would have been one hell of a fight. It would be interesting to see Sheridan and the rest of Babylon 5 caught in the middle somehow.
So much yes
I always wished there would be movies with the Voyager cast. It might not have been the strongest Trek series, but because of my age when it aired, it's always been my favorite when seen through nostalgia goggles.
It doesn't even matter that the cast has aged. The movie can take place a decade after Voyager got home; it can be their specific expertise that is needed to turn back an invasion directly from the Delta Quadrant.
Imagine having a movie everytime a Star Trek series came out
It's fluidic not fluetic space. Fluetic space is a dimension where all matter is composed of phlegm and other sinal discharge.
Oh man, I can see that being a series now, lol. Maybe a parody episode on The Orville...ha-ha.
"Captain Mercer, we've entered fluetic space."
Captain Mercer, "Don't you mean fluidic space?"
"No. Fluetic space. This universe is composed entirely of phlegm. And I'm picking up another ship in the vicinity. Scanning now."
"It seems to utilize a sort of sneeze drive."
Captain Mercer, "Sneeze Drive?...really...that's what you're calling it?"
"Correction. It's some kind of hybrid drive...it seems to employ mushrooms in some capacity."
Captain Mercer, "A mushroom drive?"
"It appears to use the mushroom spores to initiate a sneeze reaction in the twin drive chamber, thereby moving the ship at a low rate of speed from place to place."
Captain Mercer, "So it's a spore drive?"
Fluetic space is where all scheming cheating ex wives go to crow
Ha ha! That made me giggle. 😆
Mucus-y space?
I think I've been there
7 of 9 is/was/still is one of my all time favorite characters in Star Trek Universe.
And we all know why haha
@@theplayerofus319 Well, if Neelix (Star Trek's Jar Jar) could fit into 7 of 9's outfit I'm sure he would be the favorite.
Doctor to 7 of 9: "How are you implants?" LOL!
I love the idea of fluidic space. It seems like it's a dimension where gravity isn't cumulative, so the fluid doesn't collapse in on itself. Huge areas show algae like growths, shining with bio-luminosity. It's like the deep ocean, and one creature alone has become the apex species, unbroiled in a culture of violence and genocide because evolution became such a ferocious, punishing force in their dimension that only the most vicious survive.
Strange how they would be able to fly around in empty space so easily, you would think there propulsion designs would be fins and propellers like submarines.
@@ryry187 probably originally until they developed faster tech. They would encounter similar limitations as we do with submarines today. They're still aerodynamic with rear fins.
I love 8472. :o)
One of the best ideas in Trek history.
Shows there's always someone else out there stronger. Borg got owned and experienced fear.
Only made them stronger.
i can watch the first 10 seconds of this video all day. i dont really like voyager, but by god i LOVE seeing the Borg get their cybernetic asses kicked!
I hated Voyager but powered through the episodes and it became my favorite show, love Janeway
SPECIES 8472 HAS PENETRATED MATRIX 010, GRID 19. 8 PLANETS DESTROYED. 312 VESSELS DISABLED. 4 MILLION 621 BORG ELIMINATED.
Should've made an alliance with Species 8472
+Amit Divecha EXACTLY!
+The Dark master The general idea is that Janeway made an alliance with the Borg because after everything was over, the Federation could fight the Borg more effectively than Species 8472.
+Corbin Davenport Species 8472 can be reasoned with... i think they actually called this episode "scorpion" in referance to the "nature" of the borg.
Well. If they wanted too the Species could probably Destroy the Entire Galaxy. Plus the one Positive Meeting that Anyone ever had with Species 8472 was when the Voyager Saved a member of the Species from some Hirogen hunters but than the Bitch Seven of Nine Killed it.
How often has Janeway ever made a good diplomatic choice?
Love the opening of the clip. Great music and the Borg look suitably menacing.
"You are erratic. Conflicted. Disorganized. Every decision is debated, every action questioned, every individual entitled to their own small opinion. You lack harmony, cohesion, greatness.
It will be your undoing."
The universal quote “There’s always a bigger fish”
With the Borg, at the FIRST sign of betrayal is when you blow them all out of the airlock.
To be fair, there have been a number of instances you can count on one hand where the Borg actually have to make deals with people. They are often direct in their intentions and don't go around "betraying" people.
Says the guy with the Shadow ship as his avatar. 🤣
Gavin Helgeson All this time as a fan, and not once did that thought ever occur to me about 7 of 9's "implants". Kudos and thanks for a much-needed laugh.
They missed a HUGE opportunity with Species 8472.
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"It's creating another singularity!" lol
the species 8472 vessels have one hell of a punch, 8 of them and a dreadnought and they've destroyed an entire planet!
Seven of Nine is such a BadAss!! Love her!!
So the Cargo Bay is depressurized...yet 7of 9 can talk to the Bridge.
...oops...
MrVonKruger Drones have personal shields. The shielding would have to encompass the microphone for the communication system. It does kind of seem like a blooper though.
MrVonKruger When I watched that scene, I imagined Seven still clinging on to the wall while casually speaking to the bridge. Hilarious, but plausible.
InspHCallahan lol! My thought's exactly.
+MrVonKruger ...because a Borg wouldn't be able to interface directly with a starship's communication system and reconfigure it to broadcast her words in an approximation of her voice?
+MrVonKruger 2:13 "Decompression cycle complete." So it was repressurized after already.
They decompressed the cargo bay to blow all the Borg out of there. When Seven of Nine used the comm system, the bay she was in was still depressurized.
damn, sometimes it do be like that and you talk to people with no air around.
She was using the "Plot Transceiver".
She is part machine. She could have made a digital interface with the system and simulated her voice using code.
lol did anyone else's jaw drop the first time they saw this with the borg stating their standard line and suddenly they're destroyed with one phaser burst
I loved how Voyager actually did something different with the Borg. One of the best two part episodes ever. This arc could've been 5 episodes long tbh.
I love how Species 8472 just goes full Warhammer 40k levels of overpowered.
7 of 9 does a good job of talking in a vacuum, before the cargo bay is repressurised!
I was thinking the same thing.
She is hot.......Hot girls can do anything.
There were sufficient levels of PLOTonium in the cargo bay to allow speech.
Plot summary:
"It's BIGGER Jaws!"
Velius lol. I read somewhere that the Borg was originally supposed to be some sort of insect like so so pretty much.
I Cheered when I saw the Borg being overrun
Luv how Seven orders Chakotay to the Cargo Bay after he tries to blast her into space. It was the first time of many.
when the borg fell out i was thinking "CATCH MEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!"
Chakotay almost killed his future wife.
Alimony and child support out the airlock bruh...
Just another day in GoT
Yeaaah
「生命体8472」のエピソードは特に印象的でした。
あのボーグを上回る生命体8472が登場した時はびっくりしたな。
後のレギュラーメンバーになるセブン・オブ・ナインの初登場の回でもありましたね。
(日本国内放送時の題名「生命体8472」)
4,000,621 individual's freed from a fate worse than death.
It's the Borg vs the Vorlons....we have Si-Fi crossover...I repeat, we have Sci-Fi crossover!!
everybody gangsta till 8472 shows up
So what is this "fluid" that they are now in and how many pounds per square inch is it applying to the hull of what is now a submarine.
The shields would easily of held any pressure fluid space could put on it. A standard torpedo hit is like getting hit with a several magnitudes larger nuclear device. What I don't get is how fluid space is even possible? How has it not already condensed down into stars and blackholes like ours has leaving gaps of essentially empty space but in the episode it states fluid space extends I am guessing as far as there sensor range. Plenty of goop to form stars.
And they gracefully wander though hallways.. always thinking of preserving their batteries..
that battle scene reminds me of star trek armada 2 :D
I loved species 8472! Anything that panics the Borg makes me smile. I hated the episode when Janeway joined the Borg against them.
Borg: You will be assimilated
Species 8472: No...I don't think I will...
>don't know how to socialize like everyone else
>is a giant collective consciousness but still announce things audibly
borg confirmed spergs.
That´s right Voyager! Try to eliminate all Borg on the ship, and if any of them should survive, make them member of your crew. Excellent plan guys ;)
seven was no longer a borg
4everanarsenalfan Really? What was she then?
2:20 (Tuvok): "Commander, a single Borg has survived."
By that logic, the Ent crew should've killed Picard instead of surgically removing his implants and making him human again once his connection to the Borg was gone.
ShadowSonic2 I don´t think so. Picard was a human for most of his life. Trying to save him was logical. But I´m sure if they found out they couldn´t turn him back into a human, they would`ve killed him. Also for his own sake. They would have done him a favour.
The Voy crew, on the other hand, was attacked by Borg. None of the Borg had been their captain or crewmate in the past. And the Borg were trying to take over the ship & bring it into unknown territory. So of course they tried to kill them all, or at least throw them off the ship. If they tried to save them, they should have done it with all of them. But no, first they blow them into space, and then they make the only survivor a member of their crew.
I guess the scrip required a very dramatic entry of Seven, the new regular character. Under normal circumstances, I´m sure everyone, esp. Tuvok, would have continued to try killing the surviving Borg. It would be the only logical thing to do.
harpyion Just saw this an thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. You are of course entitled to your opinion but since you threw yours out there... Going backwards, responding to what you stated. It would not have been logical at all because that's not what happened. The crew/chakotay stopped his attack because one, the bay was already vented and two she had already succeeded and it was over. So guarded and angry and on the verge of putting her off ship they kept her on. As you watch the series she plays the line between being incarcerated and flat out pushing it to the point where they will kill her to defend themselves UNTIL she loses the majority of what makes her borg and starts to revert back to being a human, ANY of the borg that happened to would have been kept and treated. If you watch the series it really does explain what happened and why. You may think it's wrong but Im really not sure how but anyway. Spare them when possible and if not use alternate options which means killing usually. It's not being trite it's being pretty straight forward about it. Anyway my view on it, which follows the story. Not perfect but pretty good.
Jeri Ryan.... in another world, the perfect Lara Croft!
How about a Charlies Angel.............
I don't know why this is in my recommendations now, but it is one of the greatest grievances I have towards Chakotay, blowing those Borg out of the airlock.
Chakotay did nothing wrong. He knew the borg were going to double cross them and they were trying to get him to take Voyager deeper into borg controlled territory, which was not part of the plan. Hell, it turns out later that the borg were the ones that picked the fight in the first place and that is the only reason that species 8472 came into our space. Janeway picked a bad ally and didn't even try to find out what was going on.
I love watching this because Species 8472 reminds me of the nomads in freelancer, how we launch an attack on there home world
i love the Undine aka Species 8472 they are AWESOME
Also just the sheer numbers of borg coming through would have easily overwhelmed the whole federation. Starfleet only had like 6000 ships. The borg probably have more than that in cubes alone.
Wikipaedia - Jeri Lynn Ryan (born Jeri Lynn Zimmermann; 22 February 1968) is an American actressbest known for her role as the liberated Borg, Seven of Nine, on Star Trek: Voyager, for which she won two Saturn Awards.
Good times, good times!!!
That was the thing, 8472 was more advanced than anything they had ever seen. They were trying to adapt, but they couldn't adapt fast enough. Most species we see the borg assimilate were less advanced or equal, 8472 was far, far more advanced.
I can believe a borg surviving in a vacuum for some time. But how is she talking?
Wondering that as well.
They can, like in first contact.
they probably have some kind of transmitter.
Their mechanical parts might be able to produce oxygen and pressure for the body to make it safe from any environmental danger.
The Borg had both the ability to survive in space and use a device that modifies their vocal cords to allow them to work in space
FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SOME SENSE!!!!!!!
Das ist der Vorgeschmack was uns in 1000 Jahren erwartet!
I wonder if Yoda felt those Borg's death too?
When you're a level 100 paladin in a level 10 zone.
That feel
I was disappointed that they didn’t take this scenario a bit further!
Would be interesting at least id say. Good video
that pause when borg said 8 planets destroyed. lol
Because they are Borg (Trek's equivalent of "Because I'm Batman").
we need to get 8472 Likes... not more not less!
Star Trek Voyager had the best directors of any of the series.
There should have been another couple episodes with these creatures.
I don't think the word "matter" gets used quite as dramatically as when B'Elanna uses it.
i cannot imagine the federation fighting the borg better than 8472 i mean 8472's fluidic antiproton beams tore apart everything the borg threw at them with only a few ships and shots while at the battle of wolf 359 it took more than 40 ships and a crapton of phasers and torps for only 1 cube i know that it was an improved one but u get my point
+Vatai Akos From a purely strategic POV, the Federation has less of a disadvantage versus the Borg than it does versus Species 8472. For one thing, the Federation has a not-inconsiderable amount of information about the Borg, whereas they know next to nothing about 8472.
For another, Species 8472 would have an enormous advantage as far as knowledge about our dimension--they're used to fighting the Borg on their turf in non-fluidic space. Even if the Federation somehow gained the advantage in non-fluidic space over 8472, they would be initially at a severe disadvantage if the fight should shift to fluidic space.
TL;DR version: better the devil you know than the devil you don't.
Now that is a fight that I would want to see. It would be interesting to see who would win that one
LOL, no kidding
thank you for that you are the only person to reply and you have my thanks.
Well, not only that Species 8472 is stronger than the borg, they Borg are, as far as i know, not able to assimilate them.
Bah, between Picard and Janeway, Q owes enough to snap 8472 out of existence if they invaded the Federation.
What fun is that for Q?
@@johnv5156 if he doesn’t help they ask sisko to pinch him again.
Only this time he’s a being theoretically closer to par with a Q.
The borg are a massive challenge for a writer. They are one, therefore they have no need for expository dialogue. They are the ultimate “show not tell” challenge. I am certain that I do not write as well as people who get paid for it, but I can clearly see that they were not up to the challenge.
I have that game, it really does! :)
No one on star trek thought of it, but build an army of "data" androids to beam into borg ships and destroy borg ship and borg in combat. Play "everyone was kung fu fighting" song as androids destroy borgs. Play song on subspace in the future to scare off borgs. It would work.
+shogun harlem (Bigsexy1234567) Decomissioning Data wouldn't have made sure they could rebuild him.
Data's positronic brain was a technological riddle that only Noonian Sung fully understood.
To fight the Borg, it would be a lot easier to simply take a small shuttle, fill it with anti-matter and fly it remote controlled with high warp directly into the cube.
The kinetic force of the high velocity impact would already destroy any cube and if not, the anti-matter will do the rest.
+Ed Walker It wouldn't work. The Borg would just simply adapt to that Tactic.
As the other comments pointed out, the episode 'Measure of a Man' explores building an army of Data's. They concluded Data was in fact alive, a new species, and that producing an army of disposable people was akin to slavery.
Or just find a way to beam them all to Fluid Space. That would Kill them rather quickly.
How the hell 7of9 could say anything before the cargo bay's repressurization?
I think you're right. Another person said the borg can survive in space. That reminded me of an episode where un-suited Borg are fighting w/ suited humans on the outside of a ship. W/ that said, this isn't the only time someone survives depressurization. There's an episode where Janeway survives a depressurization.
Don't forget the deflector dish scene from st first contact
Good. I loved seeing the God-damned Grob, Borg, getting their asses handed to them. Glorious.
My dad said they're on their knees before an invincible enemy.
The shoe is on the other foot.
Hey...this isn't Borg vs 8472, this is Voyager vs 8472. Liar!
0:00-0:12
The Borg cant operate in space remember First contact where The Borg work on the deflector dish
Shows you how vulnerable the borg are when their only strategy fails - without assimilation they are unable to learn or adapt.
Species 8472's natural immunity to assimilation made them the perfect ones to take down the biggest threat in star trek.
Error: Seven-of-Nine was talking through via comm system from the cargo bay, a room that had been depressurized. Sound doesn't travel in a vacuum.
i want to implant something into 7 of 9 so badly
seeker jay
*in monotone drone*
"YES.... WE FEEL GOOD... WE FEEL GOOD WE FEEL GOOD"
I'll take Janeway, thanks.
Her uni-matrix zero?
LMAO 😂
7of 9 i she would get insemenated
Seeker j" ain't the only one".
8 planets, 4 millions.
Damn, that's a pathetic population density, borg-kun.
And ineffective use of planet destroyer. Half a million per planet is one small town on each. You can destroy it with a simple bomb.
4 billion
One of the many reasons UPN had more popularity than The WB. This, "The Sentinel," "Malcolm & Eddie."
"0.68 seconds sir". So funny.
Voyager had SO MUCH potential. I just hate how magically the Borg create new tech
8472 1: ''eh, sir? who is the enemy? those boxes or the balls? or maybe that spoon looking thing?''
8472 2: ''listen, private. get it straight. the ''balls'' are planets the ''boxes'' the Borg and that ''spoon'' looking thing is 'Voyager''
So which one should I destroy?
Let keep this simple. All of them.
@@DavidKnowles0 "No. You don't fuck with Voyager. We blow Voyager up, the universe will rewind time and change the course of events to prevent Voyager's destruction. Look at the Krenim Imperium for example. Before Voyager got destroyed, they had her crippled and under near constant attack, preventing the crew from making repairs and had the technology to manipulate time itself. But after Voyager blew up, it was like that entire year never happened and the Krenim lost that technology. No. Leave Voyager alone. Q is watching over that ship. We don't want him finger clicking us out of existence."
In my youth I learned the hard way that no matter how tough you are, eventually you'll run into someone much tougher.
@flavour town It took a good many tries before I took a loss. Of all of them I remember that fight the most. I'd wager that you've never been in a real knock down drag out fist fight...ever.
@flavour town I'll buy a plane ticket.
Does mommy let you out after supper?
@flavour town Chicago. You anywhere close?
@flavour town O'hare airport 7am parking lot b. You'll know who I am.
3:15 7 of 9 can talk to the bridge with no air, or communications badge, impressive.
I want to see Borg vs Dominion
if the borg take a founder, the game is over nobody could stop them
it's a borg win anyway...
the founders have no real power on their own! I wish DS9 had a better enemy...
it's a borg win anyway...
the founders have no real power on their own! I wish DS9 had a better enemy...
it's a borg win anyway...
the founders have no real power on their own! I wish DS9 had a better enemy...
it's a borg win anyway...
the founders have no real power on their own! I wish DS9 had a better enemy...
the name of Species 8472 is the Undine
where is their name ever stated in voyager
it in the Star Trek online games, it tell us during the New Romulus Mission, i think
+Darth Malgus (Veradun) Undine actually makes sense, since they live in Fluidic Space.
Its canon, too.
Firewisplet yeah it in the Star Trek Online Games, it called the undine
Agreed. She should've waited until the borg were destroyed, and then deployed the bio weapon.
you are correct sir!