This make the scene where Kovich interrogates Emperor Georgiou way more interesting than we first thought. Explains how he knew so much about the Terran empire
Well that would be true of most temporal agents of a certain level which probably accounts for thousands if not millions of people just on the Federation side of the Cold War.
@@johngamble5270 yes, this has been written after the airing of this episode to mend the laziness of the writers that really couldn't be bothered with even a bit of canon research. I am just baffled with the amount of contempt the writers and the producers have towards Star Trek lore. Just a shit show since 2009
Daniel was the temple agent. Who's to say he did not serve another USS Enterprise. It's possible he was hiding in each Enterprise throughout time. Observing and recording. He was on the Enterprise J. He also could have gone back in time to get those relics from history. Since he used the proper procedure to not alter time. He says his identity is a Red directive within itself. If he mentioned NX -01. Burnham would probably ask him "how is that possible" or ask him more questions. He kept it nice and simple. Not to reveal what he was or what he did. That is why he say "USS Enterprise and other places" I think that was the right thing to say.
No. I think he meant exactly what he said. He's probably served on many ships during his time as a temporal agent. He could have said, Agent Daniels, Deep Space Nine and it may have been just as accurate.
@@ruhafla8326I doubt deep space nine would still be in service. It would not be considered deep space anymore. They probably updated the space station to something else. They update space stations all the time. I'm sure the old space stations from the TOS era is not in TNG era. He probably mentioned USS Enterprise because it's still in service and it's something Burnham and audience can related to. I know Star Trek Discovery screws up a lot of lore. I agree on that. I don't think this is a missed opportunity. This is definitely going to be a debate for years. Hopefully we get more Intel on Daniels in the new show.
@@evilguy9901 Daniels is a time traveler. DS9 is in his past so he could have traveled and served there at some point just as he did on the Enterprise NX-01.
I think he meant several different USS Enterprises. Every Starship Enterprise we know about has played a pivotal part in galactic events. Maybe he was in the background making sure there was no interference from outside sources.
I like to think he meant the NX-01 _Enterprise,_ since he did serve as crew on it and it was the first one. But I suspect they may have had a future timeship _Enterprise_ in mind when writing the scene.
That would explain why he has one of Geordi’s VISORs, a bottle of Chateau Picard, and a TNG Season 1 Dustbuster Phaser II. And since they wanted to make the reveal a surprise, I suspect that’s why they didn’t show him possibly having one of Jonathan Archer’s water polo balls in his collection. It would have telegraphed the reveal a bit too soon. And remember, Daniels did transport Archer to the Enterprise-J.
@@Agent_1701-D The broken teacup/saucer from the scene at the start of _Star Trek VI_ would have been perfect. That one would be even most historical since it marked the start of the Klingons becoming more of an ally to the Federation than an enemy. Fans would have recognized it, even though it's subtle.
I realize why older fans dislike it, but I maintain it is the best gateway trek show. The characters know little about the rest of the galaxy. Someone new to trek learns with them. Growing up on Enterprise left me very invested in future and past shows.
No he meant Archer's ship where he was Crewman Daniels for awhile. It also means that he's over a hundred years old since Daniels came from the 31st century.
@@FedoReds88 In Star Trek: Enterprise Captain Archer asked him if he was human. He said more or less. Thus he's not completely human. He also said he was from about 900 years into the future from Archer.
@@kevingray8616 well, lanthanite live on earth for so many millenia that they can bee easily considered human, or at last terran, plus the can bride with humans so he can be also part of it
I need a short trek that’s just Daniel’s lifting all of the stuff in his office with a random white guy each time. The last part is him swiping the legal pad from Paramount Studios
I suspect he has one relic from each of the shows, not to mention notable items throughout Star Trek history. The visor, the bottle of Château Picard, and a Dustbuster Phaser. Sisko’s baseball and stand from DS9. Wouldn’t surprise me if he got one of Janeway‘s coffee cups, Kirk’s officers bars badge from his monster maroon, one of Archer’s water polo balls, and so on…
@@Agent_1701-D Well, no one would miss one of Kirk's torn shirts. Then again, he could probably have Kirk himself hidden away in a corner, for an "Arthur awakens from Avalon" moment whenever he needs one XD
Lovely seeing a bottle of Chateau Picard, Geordi's visor and Sisco's baseball. However, it would have been nice to see Porthos's collar and maybe Kirk's glasses from TWOK to link him to those centuries and Star Trek series, too.
Daniels couldn't keep Kirk's glasses. I'm sure a temporal agent had to make sure that a pair of glasses were always available to gift to Kirk and then left behind in 1986 due to the ontological paradox aging material things to dust. Once that was fixed, there was nothing they could do except create a duplicate version of the glasses to keep as a souvenir.
Agent Daniels is truly a magnificent character who deserves his own standalone series. This series would allow us to explore his entire life and the various eras he has experienced. Just imagine witnessing all the events from his perspective, culminating in the Great Burn. We would also see how he led the Department in Starfleet and, ultimately, the arrival of the USS Discovery.
The problem is the writers would never be able to write a story as grand as would be needed. Daniels has lived lives we cannot even imagine, that is the point, if we were to write his stories, we would be able to imagine them and that would detract from the character. Better to use him as a source of enigma across various different series, than to make a series based around him.
Plot twist: he’s actually a Suliban. Confirmed by the fact he didn’t make the captain any scrambled eggs in this scene. Kovich has made no munchies at any point, not even for Book.
Maybe it's Silik. He always seems to have some sort of rivalry with Daniels. Although the last time they showed him, he was killed in that alternate World War II that an unknown time traveler caused by killing Lenin. Vosk and his Na'kul soldiers were there but they arrived after the change and took advantage of the situation by helping the Nazi until Captain Archer stopped them by destroying the huge time machine that Vosk and his men were trying to make using 1940's technology which seemed to take up a huge building. Silik was there for two reasons: 1. To acquire time travel technology for his mysterious benefactor. 2. To stop Vosk but for personal reasons. He explained that Vosk and his people tried to prevent his people from gaining sentience during their earlier stages of evolution. They were stopped by Daniels and his temporal agents. Archer points out to Silik that Daniel and his agents owe them their lives after Silik tells him this. Despite this, he still sees Daniels and his temporal agents as his enemies even though they saved his people from Vosk. Silik was shot by a Nazi soldier when helping Archer find Commander Tucker, who was held prisoner there and to destroy Vosk's time machine. Before he died, he told Archer he was a worthy opponent, but since Archer prevented that timeline from happening by destroying Vosk' time machine, Silik should still be alive back in Archer's time.
What I really love about this - is that it not only explains how the Temporal Agency was dismantled after the accords and the end of the temporal war - but it explains what happened to the leadership of it Given code names - new identities Daniels - Kovich - has probably been working all these centuries to ensure that the tragedy of the Temporal Wars never repeated
I do wonder though what it must have been like or to be like to have lived so long and seen and done so much the way Daniels has. The memories he must carry and the silence that he must keep.
Ever since he first appeared in Season 3, my mom and I knew there was more about Kovich than meets the eye, and it all made sense when he revealed he was Agent Daniels from Enterprise.
In Star Trek Online, if you play a character from Kirk's time, your character meets Temporal Agent Daniels. He was undercover on the U.S.S. Enterprise as Ensign Hunter to stop the Na'kul from disrupting Kirk's time like: 1. Helping the Orions interrupt the meeting in the Babel System, this mission shows that the older Pavel Chekov from sometime after the Undiscovered Country movie inadvertently made Scotty a Temporal Agent when he dropped his Temporal communicater and Scotty would show up to help in the Battle of Procyon V or one of the battles there since it is implied that there have been numerous versions of the final battle of the Temporal Cold War there before it finally ended due to all the time traveling involved. They never do explain why they have their final battle there. Even Seven of Nine in a later mission even wonders why this system is so important when you and her and a simulacrum of Michael Burnham are tested in one of the Excalbian's trials between good and evil and one of them involves this location since the Excalbian is using memories of past missions to make these test with a few changes to see what you do differently. From what they show, the Procyon system is between the Vulcan and Andorian system, like that P'jem system with the Vulcan Monastery on one of the planets. And the Andorian were the first to visit this system when they started exploring space, and Procyon V is apparently a water world. It seems it is used as a final battle area because the founding member species of the Federation live in that sector of space, the Humans, the Vulcans, and Andorians. The Tellarites live in a neighboring sector, so they are a little further away but still close to the system. Edit: It is kinda funny when you think about it. Vulcan and Andoria would be the first planets to send their ships to that system since they are the closest, Earth is right behind them to back them up, while Tellar is in the next system and would show up later to help. Earth is basically the guy who is going to back you up and Tellar would basically be the guy who shows up late to help. 2. The Na'kul trying to causing a war with the Federation and the Tholians. The U.S.S Defiant helps you in this mission but unfortunately gets caught in a temporal shockwave when one of the Tholian Queens tells you that she is going to ram her ship into the Na'kul ship after she realizes that she has been tricked and sends a message to the other queens about the Na'kul which lead to the Tholians in the 25th Century to mess with the Na'kul sun as they see this as payback. This causes the Na'kul to become invested in time travel and become involved with the Temporal Cold War and causing them to mess with the Tholians in the past. Which means this feud between them is a time paradox. The Defiant is left drifting in space until Kirk and the Enterprise find it along with encountering the Tholians, then the Defiant is sent to the Mirror Universe and causes those events from their version of Enterprise, Discovery, the Original Series, and Deep Space Nine and even a little in their 25th Century. 3. Providing the Romulans with a Doomsday Machine (A different one than the one that Kirk defeated), this one actually happens in a much later mission when your character is in the 25th century but has to time travel back to the 23rd century and it shows why that planet Geordi and that Romulan were stuck on was so hazardous in the Galorndon Core System in Star Trek the Next Generation. 4. Providing the location of the Doomsday Machine that Kirk defeated to the Klingons. The Klingons get this information from the Envoy and the Na'kul but choose not to use it as they didn't want to be someone's puppet. The Klingon Captain, who got this information was Captain Kor, otherwise known as Dahar Master Kor from Deep Space Nine. He worked with the Na'kul to trap Federation ships in an ambush, but he did not trust his new allies and for good reason. (During this mission, the Envoy says that he is the reason that the Klingons have cloaking technology. This contradicts that the Romulans gave it to the Klingons in the Original Series. Although Star Trek Discovery also contradicts how the Klingons have cloaking devices by saying that they already had them before the Original Series. The only ways I can how this makes sense all the time traveling has messed up on how the Klingons got cloaking technology which seems to work, or the Klingons have three different types of cloaking technology this whole time which could work but not likely.) The information on the Doomsday Machine would not be used until later on in the 25th century by a Klingon named B'vat. Ironically, his past self from the 23rd century helps you defeat his future self as he realizes that his future self has gone mad when you time travel in the past using the Guardian of Forever to save Miral Paris as she is the reason the Klingons get their ridges back, and he accepts that this is his fate when it happens to him. This mission and any others related to it have been removed supposedly so they can remaster the missions, but so far, they still haven't returned since 2018.
And now comes My Top 10 best episodes From Star Trek Discovery Number 10: If Memory Serves Number 09: Mirrors Number 08: Choose To Live Number 07: Red Directive Number 06: Lagrange Point Number 05: Unification Part 3 Number 04: Rubicon Number 03: What's Past Is Prologue Number 02: Choose Your Pain Number 01: Terra Firma Parts 1&2
@@partyguy101ify - I was referring to Daniels directly. Although I suppose Archer was an even bigger tool. So much so that Daniels had to literally take him to see what he was supposed to do because otherwise he probably wouldn't have done it.
I wasn't surprised at all. The whole thing about paper being "genuinely from the 21st" century tipped me off that he has access to time travel. Didn't't expect him to be Daniels. But I was close. Also, what was with all the Chateau Picard, VISOR, and Sisko's baseball. Shouldn't it have been something from ENTERPRISE? Like Archer's polo ball, or a replica of his "prized Beagle"? That would have made far more sense. But they just picked something that was available from the recent Picard show, and it just doesn't line up.
@@MarkBogners20247my headcanon explain all discovery thank to this scene: Daniels managed the existence of Burnam and the Discovery from the start, from the 22 century, despite their incompetence they ever succeed because he help them
The ones that we can actually see are: Chateau Picard wine, Geordi La Forge's original VISOR and Benjamin Sisko's baseball. Thus implying that Daniels has connections to the Enterprise D and Deep Space 9.
I hope not. S31 has been a blight since day one of its introduction but at least palatable as the ravings of a resourceful and competent , but deranged individual on DS9.
Should have swapped Geordis VISOR prop for a random replica collar and zoomed on the tag that says Porthos. So there is a nod to each era rather than a duplicate to the TNG time with nothing for Archers era.
Judging by Saru and T'Rina's wedding, I assume 32nd century Vulcans don't repress their emotions as much as they did in the past? Because I can't imagine a 22nd or even 24th century vulcan to say with excitement "may I present the newly weds!"
They slowly reintegrated withe the Romulans after Romulus was destroyed, so hundreds of years later, Vulcans are far less suppressive. They seemed to have learned to control their emotions and show them at the same time
This is the third reference to the Enterprise show. The first being Lorca looking the names of famous starfleet captains, then the archer soace dock and now this one. Or I am missing others?
In Season 3 they mention the Temporal War. One of the scientists who hid clues was a Denobulan. In the first season, a ship was called USS Shran. Ni'Var, Vulcan's new name, was also the name of a Vulcan ship in Enterprise.
I think Admiral Lance messed up a line. When he congratulates sure on his wedding he greats Suru as admiral instead of ambassador. Unless Suru got a promotion and is and officer again?
So why didn't Daniels stop the Burn from destroying Starfleet by just leaving a note for Starfleet Command to shut down all warp cores for one day for a one time event?
Strange new worlds may have hinted at a reason that being without the burn, something much worse could have happened, what that could have been who knows , simply put star feet was likely not only power be hurt by the burn.
The only reason I don't like this scene is because nothing of what he's saying means anything to Burnham or any of the other characters. SThey weren't a part of ENT. It's like the scene in Into Darkness where Khan tells the Enterprise crew that he's Khan and they're just like "okay" because it doesn't mean anything to them, they don't have the same history together.
says a lot that cronenberg and martin-green have both said this scene meant absolutely nothing to them! They had no clue who daniels was,hence it was a last minute deal and not a long planned event! Smacks of the whole series tbh, a clueless bumble around trying to make decent trek and failing
It should've been cancelled 2 seasons ago. The writers never had a clue how to write this drek of a show. They are least figured out what people wanted with Picard and Lower Decks. Lower Decks ending is going to be sad.
He could have served aboard one of the uss Enterprises properly before becoming a temporal agent perhaps, though kinda hard to tell eith how Daniels is a many of may secrets 😂though at least we got the explanation of how he had a 21st century pad of paper
The NX-01 was renamed the USS Enterprise when the Federation was formed. I guess it can be seen when the ship is in Geordi's museum. Also, the artifacts here imply that Daniels has connections to the Enterprise D and Deep Space 9.
Synapse for possible season 6 or movie (fun only) it's been 20 years since Admiral Michael Burnham sent discovery off on its new red directive mission, but when Agent Daniels appears at her home with dying from a Phaser blast and the USS discovery appears in orbit of Earth, Michael must assume command once more and stop a new Time War before the future and past of the federation changes forever.
@shafown_gringo3595 Anthony Rapp and Wilson Cruz are both gay in real life and portray a married gay couple on the show. Tig Notaro is a lesbian and Jett Reno had a wife who had died before we met her.
@@teresaravenshaw5477 you are totally missing the point. These characters did not have a wedding on screen. I guess. Because I’m surely not wasting one mouseclick to look for the real names of these hacks or any of the characters they play. Anyway I’m pretty sure even without me knowing even one of these pathetically characters name my points pretty solid there
Yes leave this till the last episode 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 I'm like this show could have interlinked with Enterprise bringing back the actors as Archer is still alive when this was the pilot, it's just so frustrating all the waste.
Well, that explains a few things. Also, I am shocked at the amount of hatred for Discovery, Enterprise and Voyager among some 'fans'. The whole point of Star Trek is to embrace differences, not be third-rate drama critics.
I adore enterprise and it’s one of my favorite series! Voyager was ok in the later seasons. Now I’m sorry but disco is not it for me. The writing has consistently made me struggle to care about any of the characters, and by the end of the show I still don’t know the names of the bridge crew. I don’t judge people who like it, but it’s not the kind of trek I enjoy watching. To me every season feels like it could have been one episode but got dragged out unnecessarily
@@pumelo1when? Are you talking about insurrection? Don’t be a fool. This was another poor reference to proper trek and the NX01 as you inferring a lot. We also don’t have evidence of time agents on the E in canon. Watch trek instead of reading wiki
Oh man, now I see the resemblance. But now we have to make it up to Matt Winston and give him a role in his own series as a younger (Codename) Dr. Kovich.
This make the scene where Kovich interrogates Emperor Georgiou way more interesting than we first thought. Explains how he knew so much about the Terran empire
An the Kelvin Timeline.
Ah... Yeah. Good point!
Well that would be true of most temporal agents of a certain level which probably accounts for thousands if not millions of people just on the Federation side of the Cold War.
@@sw-gs no that was Zora.
As a fan of Enterprise i am glad finally someone from that show "returned".
David Cronenberg is also a great actor.💯
Enterprise - the show that was about the NX-01 Enterprise had no USS Enterprise in it ;)
@@herrsan
Hm, according to Memory-Alpha wiki, it did (this is in the article "USS", which discusses the history and fictional history of the term).
@@johngamble5270 yes, this has been written after the airing of this episode to mend the laziness of the writers that really couldn't be bothered with even a bit of canon research. I am just baffled with the amount of contempt the writers and the producers have towards Star Trek lore. Just a shit show since 2009
@@herrsanwell he could be cheeky and not be specifying he served on 2 Enterprises.
@@spencersholdenmaybe a different Daniels who served on board some other ship named Enterprise.
Agent might be his first name lol.
A good call back but I think they missed a moment. When he introduced himself he could have said "Agent Daniels, USS Enterprise NX 01"
Missed a Moment? In Discovery? You must be new on this Show
Daniel was the temple agent. Who's to say he did not serve another USS Enterprise. It's possible he was hiding in each Enterprise throughout time. Observing and recording. He was on the Enterprise J. He also could have gone back in time to get those relics from history. Since he used the proper procedure to not alter time. He says his identity is a Red directive within itself. If he mentioned NX -01. Burnham would probably ask him "how is that possible" or ask him more questions. He kept it nice and simple. Not to reveal what he was or what he did. That is why he say "USS Enterprise and other places" I think that was the right thing to say.
No. I think he meant exactly what he said. He's probably served on many ships during his time as a temporal agent. He could have said, Agent Daniels, Deep Space Nine and it may have been just as accurate.
@@ruhafla8326I doubt deep space nine would still be in service. It would not be considered deep space anymore. They probably updated the space station to something else. They update space stations all the time. I'm sure the old space stations from the TOS era is not in TNG era. He probably mentioned USS Enterprise because it's still in service and it's something Burnham and audience can related to. I know Star Trek Discovery screws up a lot of lore. I agree on that. I don't think this is a missed opportunity. This is definitely going to be a debate for years. Hopefully we get more Intel on Daniels in the new show.
@@evilguy9901 Daniels is a time traveler. DS9 is in his past so he could have traveled and served there at some point just as he did on the Enterprise NX-01.
I think he meant several different USS Enterprises. Every Starship Enterprise we know about has played a pivotal part in galactic events. Maybe he was in the background making sure there was no interference from outside sources.
I like to think he meant the NX-01 _Enterprise,_ since he did serve as crew on it and it was the first one. But I suspect they may have had a future timeship _Enterprise_ in mind when writing the scene.
That would explain why he has one of Geordi’s VISORs, a bottle of Chateau Picard, and a TNG Season 1 Dustbuster Phaser II.
And since they wanted to make the reveal a surprise, I suspect that’s why they didn’t show him possibly having one of Jonathan Archer’s water polo balls in his collection. It would have telegraphed the reveal a bit too soon.
And remember, Daniels did transport Archer to the Enterprise-J.
@@Agent_1701-D Would have been fun if they could have worked in Riker's trombone, but it's bit too large for the display area.
@@ManabiLT Looking back, I would have included Data’s emotion chip, and one of Sulu’s teacups snd saucers.
@@Agent_1701-D The broken teacup/saucer from the scene at the start of _Star Trek VI_ would have been perfect. That one would be even most historical since it marked the start of the Klingons becoming more of an ally to the Federation than an enemy. Fans would have recognized it, even though it's subtle.
NO F***ING WAY!!!!!!! I remember watching Star Trek Enterprise with my dad. Daniels was always one of our favorite characters!!
when i watched this the other day i was like "whoa what the fuck"
Noticed he never gave her eye contact telling her that
When he said Enterprise...I almost cried.
I love that show.
Me too. I’m going to watch it again. ☺️
I realize why older fans dislike it, but I maintain it is the best gateway trek show. The characters know little about the rest of the galaxy. Someone new to trek learns with them. Growing up on Enterprise left me very invested in future and past shows.
@@The_Viscount I understand the older fans too. You have to be open to new material and stop listening to toxic fans.
He said U,S,S, Enterprise but there is no U.S.S. on Archer's Enterprise.
@@specie8470 I believe that it’s the Enterprise J.
To the people talking about how he wasn’t on the USS enterprise but the NX-01, he’s talking about the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-J, of which he served.
And the Enterprise-E
No he meant Archer's ship where he was Crewman Daniels for awhile. It also means that he's over a hundred years old since Daniels came from the 31st century.
Damn Daniels really never does die lol
The Temporal Cold War has had some major impacts on his lifespan
The one human closest to a Q
He could be easily another Lanthanite working with the Federation
@@FedoReds88 In Star Trek: Enterprise Captain Archer asked him if he was human. He said more or less. Thus he's not completely human. He also said he was from about 900 years into the future from Archer.
@@kevingray8616 well, lanthanite live on earth for so many millenia that they can bee easily considered human, or at last terran, plus the can bride with humans so he can be also part of it
I need a short trek that’s just Daniel’s lifting all of the stuff in his office with a random white guy each time. The last part is him swiping the legal pad from Paramount Studios
🤣😂 Good one.
I suspect he has one relic from each of the shows, not to mention notable items throughout Star Trek history. The visor, the bottle of Château Picard, and a Dustbuster Phaser. Sisko’s baseball and stand from DS9.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he got one of Janeway‘s coffee cups, Kirk’s officers bars badge from his monster maroon, one of Archer’s water polo balls, and so on…
@@Agent_1701-D Well, no one would miss one of Kirk's torn shirts. Then again, he could probably have Kirk himself hidden away in a corner, for an "Arthur awakens from Avalon" moment whenever he needs one XD
Sort of a tie-back to the idea that DS9 would end with Benny Russell sitting outside a Paramount sound stage holding a script
@@johnmoore-levesque8663 low key might be the only way to get Avery Brooks to make a cameo
Lovely seeing a bottle of Chateau Picard, Geordi's visor and Sisco's baseball. However, it would have been nice to see Porthos's collar and maybe Kirk's glasses from TWOK to link him to those centuries and Star Trek series, too.
What about something from Voyager?
@leovalverde1508 Yeah, I thought that. Janeway's coffee mug.
@@leovalverde1508 Nah, Voyager was so wibbly wobbly with time travel anything form there will cause at least one paradox to happen if removed.
Daniels couldn't keep Kirk's glasses. I'm sure a temporal agent had to make sure that a pair of glasses were always available to gift to Kirk and then left behind in 1986 due to the ontological paradox aging material things to dust. Once that was fixed, there was nothing they could do except create a duplicate version of the glasses to keep as a souvenir.
There's also the bone gun from Cronenberg's movie eXistenZ
Agent Daniels is truly a magnificent character who deserves his own standalone series. This series would allow us to explore his entire life and the various eras he has experienced.
Just imagine witnessing all the events from his perspective, culminating in the Great Burn. We would also see how he led the Department in Starfleet and, ultimately, the arrival of the USS Discovery.
Time travel ruins science fiction, as science fiction. It places it firmly in science fantasy - not that faster than light travel doesn't either.
Star Trek Fraction.
Here’s a thought, and hear me out…
Daniels, along with Wesley Crusher and his “ Travelers”.
@@donontherun1 super
The problem is the writers would never be able to write a story as grand as would be needed. Daniels has lived lives we cannot even imagine, that is the point, if we were to write his stories, we would be able to imagine them and that would detract from the character. Better to use him as a source of enigma across various different series, than to make a series based around him.
Plot twist: he’s actually a Suliban. Confirmed by the fact he didn’t make the captain any scrambled eggs in this scene. Kovich has made no munchies at any point, not even for Book.
Maybe it's Silik. He always seems to have some sort of rivalry with Daniels. Although the last time they showed him, he was killed in that alternate World War II that an unknown time traveler caused by killing Lenin. Vosk and his Na'kul soldiers were there but they arrived after the change and took advantage of the situation by helping the Nazi until Captain Archer stopped them by destroying the huge time machine that Vosk and his men were trying to make using 1940's technology which seemed to take up a huge building. Silik was there for two reasons:
1. To acquire time travel technology for his mysterious benefactor.
2. To stop Vosk but for personal reasons. He explained that Vosk and his people tried to prevent his people from gaining sentience during their earlier stages of evolution. They were stopped by Daniels and his temporal agents. Archer points out to Silik that Daniel and his agents owe them their lives after Silik tells him this. Despite this, he still sees Daniels and his temporal agents as his enemies even though they saved his people from Vosk.
Silik was shot by a Nazi soldier when helping Archer find Commander Tucker, who was held prisoner there and to destroy Vosk's time machine. Before he died, he told Archer he was a worthy opponent, but since Archer prevented that timeline from happening by destroying Vosk' time machine, Silik should still be alive back in Archer's time.
@@Yasuda9000 I think it might be best to take Captain Janeway's advice on sorting out temporal paradoxes: "Don't even try."
What I really love about this - is that it not only explains how the Temporal Agency was dismantled after the accords and the end of the temporal war - but it explains what happened to the leadership of it
Given code names - new identities
Daniels - Kovich - has probably been working all these centuries to ensure that the tragedy of the Temporal Wars never repeated
Geordi's visor. Sisko's baseball. Picard's wine. Man, that was good.
*Dumps 5 gallon bucket full of Star Trek props over her head*
Agent daniels was one of the best characters in discovery. Such an interesting life hes lived.
Honestly I believe that his mission was every iteration of the USS Enterprise and at some point or another he was on every version
Also tilly does make a good point
Why the fuck didnt starfleet have a mentorship program
they do. it's called training.
Agent Daniels 🤯🤯🤯😭😭😭
I do wonder though what it must have been like or to be like to have lived so long and seen and done so much the way Daniels has. The memories he must carry and the silence that he must keep.
and the Weight that he carries
The subtle Enterprise Theme underlay when Daniels introduces himself...
Ever since he first appeared in Season 3, my mom and I knew there was more about Kovich than meets the eye, and it all made sense when he revealed he was Agent Daniels from Enterprise.
USS Enterprise, i think he meant NX-01.....
and 1701-J
Maybe he meant Kirk enterprise as well. Maybe he was doctor McCoy or something like that.
There was also a "Mister Daniels" on the bridge of the E-E in Insurrection. Maybe he was undercover...
That was a bit weird, but he could have been referring to a different Enterprise, or NX-01 may have been redesignated as USS at some point.
In Star Trek Online, if you play a character from Kirk's time, your character meets Temporal Agent Daniels. He was undercover on the U.S.S. Enterprise as Ensign Hunter to stop the Na'kul from disrupting Kirk's time like:
1. Helping the Orions interrupt the meeting in the Babel System, this mission shows that the older Pavel Chekov from sometime after the Undiscovered Country movie inadvertently made Scotty a Temporal Agent when he dropped his Temporal communicater and Scotty would show up to help in the Battle of Procyon V or one of the battles there since it is implied that there have been numerous versions of the final battle of the Temporal Cold War there before it finally ended due to all the time traveling involved. They never do explain why they have their final battle there. Even Seven of Nine in a later mission even wonders why this system is so important when you and her and a simulacrum of Michael Burnham are tested in one of the Excalbian's trials between good and evil and one of them involves this location since the Excalbian is using memories of past missions to make these test with a few changes to see what you do differently. From what they show, the Procyon system is between the Vulcan and Andorian system, like that P'jem system with the Vulcan Monastery on one of the planets. And the Andorian were the first to visit this system when they started exploring space, and Procyon V is apparently a water world. It seems it is used as a final battle area because the founding member species of the Federation live in that sector of space, the Humans, the Vulcans, and Andorians. The Tellarites live in a neighboring sector, so they are a little further away but still close to the system.
Edit: It is kinda funny when you think about it. Vulcan and Andoria would be the first planets to send their ships to that system since they are the closest, Earth is right behind them to back them up, while Tellar is in the next system and would show up later to help. Earth is basically the guy who is going to back you up and Tellar would basically be the guy who shows up late to help.
2. The Na'kul trying to causing a war with the Federation and the Tholians. The U.S.S Defiant helps you in this mission but unfortunately gets caught in a temporal shockwave when one of the Tholian Queens tells you that she is going to ram her ship into the Na'kul ship after she realizes that she has been tricked and sends a message to the other queens about the Na'kul which lead to the Tholians in the 25th Century to mess with the Na'kul sun as they see this as payback. This causes the Na'kul to become invested in time travel and become involved with the Temporal Cold War and causing them to mess with the Tholians in the past. Which means this feud between them is a time paradox. The Defiant is left drifting in space until Kirk and the Enterprise find it along with encountering the Tholians, then the Defiant is sent to the Mirror Universe and causes those events from their version of Enterprise, Discovery, the Original Series, and Deep Space Nine and even a little in their 25th Century.
3. Providing the Romulans with a Doomsday Machine (A different one than the one that Kirk defeated), this one actually happens in a much later mission when your character is in the 25th century but has to time travel back to the 23rd century and it shows why that planet Geordi and that Romulan were stuck on was so hazardous in the Galorndon Core System in Star Trek the Next Generation.
4. Providing the location of the Doomsday Machine that Kirk defeated to the Klingons. The Klingons get this information from the Envoy and the Na'kul but choose not to use it as they didn't want to be someone's puppet. The Klingon Captain, who got this information was Captain Kor, otherwise known as Dahar Master Kor from Deep Space Nine. He worked with the Na'kul to trap Federation ships in an ambush, but he did not trust his new allies and for good reason. (During this mission, the Envoy says that he is the reason that the Klingons have cloaking technology. This contradicts that the Romulans gave it to the Klingons in the Original Series. Although Star Trek Discovery also contradicts how the Klingons have cloaking devices by saying that they already had them before the Original Series. The only ways I can how this makes sense all the time traveling has messed up on how the Klingons got cloaking technology which seems to work, or the Klingons have three different types of cloaking technology this whole time which could work but not likely.) The information on the Doomsday Machine would not be used until later on in the 25th century by a Klingon named B'vat. Ironically, his past self from the 23rd century helps you defeat his future self as he realizes that his future self has gone mad when you time travel in the past using the Guardian of Forever to save Miral Paris as she is the reason the Klingons get their ridges back, and he accepts that this is his fate when it happens to him. This mission and any others related to it have been removed supposedly so they can remaster the missions, but so far, they still haven't returned since 2018.
Hang on a minute, did admiral Vance just call saru admiral? Am I missing something ?
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Number 09: Mirrors
Number 08: Choose To Live
Number 07: Red Directive
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Number 05: Unification Part 3
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Number 03: What's Past Is Prologue
Number 02: Choose Your Pain
Number 01: Terra Firma Parts 1&2
Was there crying in the finale? It would be fitting if there was
I cried with them!
What's all this crap about crying. I literally hardly see it at all.
Agent Daniels, USS ENTERPRISE, and other places.
Impressive that he managed to evolve from tool to cool.
You saw Matt Winston on Scrubs, didn't you?
@@partyguy101ify - I was referring to Daniels directly. Although I suppose Archer was an even bigger tool. So much so that Daniels had to literally take him to see what he was supposed to do because otherwise he probably wouldn't have done it.
Can I just say how I fuckin died at this scene
I screamed and hollered
Omg the circle around was perfect for him
Lifelong Trekkie here. Honest to god, I went totally bonkers when he said that line. I mean, how can you not be stoked?! It's DANIELS!
uhm are you sure about that?
I didnt care for the original actor to play agent daniels but if you were going to intentionally recast all along you could not have done much better.
Probably the most wtf moment in Star Trek?
I wasn't surprised at all. The whole thing about paper being "genuinely from the 21st" century tipped me off that he has access to time travel.
Didn't't expect him to be Daniels. But I was close.
Also, what was with all the Chateau Picard, VISOR, and Sisko's baseball. Shouldn't it have been something from ENTERPRISE? Like Archer's polo ball, or a replica of his "prized Beagle"? That would have made far more sense. But they just picked something that was available from the recent Picard show, and it just doesn't line up.
@@MarkBogners20247It was hinted in Season 4. You have to watch carefully.
@@MarkBogners20247my headcanon explain all discovery thank to this scene: Daniels managed the existence of Burnam and the Discovery from the start, from the 22 century, despite their incompetence they ever succeed because he help them
at least for the five people who watched Enterprise
For me it was the Guardian Of Forever scene!
I wonder if anyone has been able to get a closer look at the artifacts to see if there are any other relics from the past shows.
The ones that we can actually see are: Chateau Picard wine, Geordi La Forge's original VISOR and Benjamin Sisko's baseball. Thus implying that Daniels has connections to the Enterprise D and Deep Space 9.
That bottle was actually the bottle used to christen the Enterprise-B in Star Trek Generations. But being a DS9 fan Sisko’s baseball is my favorite
@@dhavoc8india705No. It was from Star Trek Picard
Hey that joke is pretty subtle. Youd never make it as a Discovery writer.
This was a bottle of 2265 Dom Pérignon champagne
“Damn Daniels, back at it again with the Temporal Prime Directive!”
In my headcanon Daniels is a Lanthanite working for the section 31
I hope not. S31 has been a blight since day one of its introduction but at least palatable as the ravings of a resourceful and competent , but deranged individual on DS9.
A Lanthanite? Brilliant head canon there. 🖖🤠
Should have swapped Geordis VISOR prop for a random replica collar and zoomed on the tag that says Porthos. So there is a nod to each era rather than a duplicate to the TNG time with nothing for Archers era.
Archer would have never let him have anything, Dude dragged him into the Temporal cold war.
Judging by Saru and T'Rina's wedding, I assume 32nd century Vulcans don't repress their emotions as much as they did in the past? Because I can't imagine a 22nd or even 24th century vulcan to say with excitement "may I present the newly weds!"
They slowly reintegrated withe the Romulans after Romulus was destroyed, so hundreds of years later, Vulcans are far less suppressive. They seemed to have learned to control their emotions and show them at the same time
This is the third reference to the Enterprise show. The first being Lorca looking the names of famous starfleet captains, then the archer soace dock and now this one. Or I am missing others?
In Season 3 they mention the Temporal War. One of the scientists who hid clues was a Denobulan. In the first season, a ship was called USS Shran. Ni'Var, Vulcan's new name, was also the name of a Vulcan ship in Enterprise.
I’m very glad they paid respects to Enterprise
Awesome agent Daniels is back and they finally tied in Enterprise to discovery.
I think Admiral Lance messed up a line. When he congratulates sure on his wedding he greats Suru as admiral instead of ambassador. Unless Suru got a promotion and is and officer again?
Saru returned to Starfleet and was promoted to admiral, although he continued his duties as an ambassador.
@@duomaxwell2293 Thank you, this makes more sense. He is a remarkable character.
2:30 would have been funny if he said,”NX-01 and NCC-1701-E.” Or maybe through in a tease for Strange New Worlds and him say NCC-1701 as well.
So why didn't Daniels stop the Burn from destroying Starfleet by just leaving a note for Starfleet Command to shut down all warp cores for one day for a one time event?
Strange new worlds may have hinted at a reason that being without the burn, something much worse could have happened, what that could have been who knows , simply put star feet was likely not only power be hurt by the burn.
oh that's easy - the writers are terrible
temporal prime directive? research only.
They can't change the past. Temporal Prime Directive.
Thanks for the spoiler alert!
The only reason I don't like this scene is because nothing of what he's saying means anything to Burnham or any of the other characters. SThey weren't a part of ENT. It's like the scene in Into Darkness where Khan tells the Enterprise crew that he's Khan and they're just like "okay" because it doesn't mean anything to them, they don't have the same history together.
I don't think he would have said Enterprise at all. Probably would have mentioned some temporal ship he was eventually captain of or some agency.
I wish he would have said NX-01 Enterprise, just as a call back to Enterprise when he was shown to be a time agent
is there a reason he left out the NX01?
Because he was on the Enterprise-E and J aswell
Because he was really a temporal agent from the 31st century in disguise who would pop up from time to time.
I just finished watching Enterprise for the first time so this was perfect.l for me.
So almost everyone at the wedding was over 500 years old, think about that one, but making the jump with your whole crew would make it manageable. 🖖
For all Discovery's flaws, I think this twist was a good one and they couldn't have gotten a better actor for it.
This is a really nice callback!
What a twist, like... wow.
Was Saru promoted to Admiral?
If he ever returned to Starfleet after his ambassadorial position he probably would eventually reach Admiral.
Yeah, Vance referred to Saru as Admiral at the wedding.
says a lot that cronenberg and martin-green have both said this scene meant absolutely nothing to them! They had no clue who daniels was,hence it was a last minute deal and not a long planned event! Smacks of the whole series tbh, a clueless bumble around trying to make decent trek and failing
I agree; emblematic of Kurtzmann Trek as a whole.
But its a reference, Nerds love references! /s
I wanted him to be the emh
It means that he's over a hundred years old since Daniels came from the 31st century.
Now I have to hate Dr Kovach because he is the bastard who dumped me in the 25th century on STO.
Did You notice all of the "Easter Eggs"?
I somehow missed this. thanks
Wouldn`t it made more sense to have more things of the NX Enterprise in his rooms and also call it "NX Enterprise" and not USS?
I love The Connection with Enterprise Making Kovitch Agent Daniels from NX 01 Enterprise and The USS Enterprise J.
I enjoyed this reveal.
Agent Daniels : NX Enterprise. He never served on any USS ships as far as Canon in involved.
After and unknown amount of time going through time unfucking the timeline from various points
He finally gets to retire
@doubt.
People like him don't ever retire.
I hate "Enterprise" but even I loved this twist. Daniels was one of the characters I enjoyed.
Breaks my heart this amazing show coming to an end so soon. What a shame
This is the ending of discovery
It should've been cancelled 2 seasons ago. The writers never had a clue how to write this drek of a show.
They are least figured out what people wanted with Picard and Lower Decks. Lower Decks ending is going to be sad.
@@DarthTach this season was better than the Burn tho. Wish we'd gotten it instead.
I didn't see this coming
Where's his temporal observatory?
They should have Matt Winston reprise his role as Daniels as it not uncommon for the same person to play different characters
*USS* Enterprise ??? 😕😕😕😕
He could have served aboard one of the uss Enterprises properly before becoming a temporal agent perhaps, though kinda hard to tell eith how Daniels is a many of may secrets 😂though at least we got the explanation of how he had a 21st century pad of paper
The NX-01 was renamed the USS Enterprise when the Federation was formed. I guess it can be seen when the ship is in Geordi's museum. Also, the artifacts here imply that Daniels has connections to the Enterprise D and Deep Space 9.
@@WarGrowlmon18 and possibly the Enterprise-B I think that bottle was used in Star Trek Generations to christen the Excelsior-Class USS Enterprise-B
NX-01 temporal wars
USS Enterprise 1701-J
If all the crew is there who’s Maning the ship !
Zora
Dr. Kovich kinda looks like Ted Danson IMO.
I'm not recognising the champagne bottle...
Its a bottle of Picard.
Synapse for possible season 6 or movie (fun only) it's been 20 years since Admiral Michael Burnham sent discovery off on its new red directive mission, but when Agent Daniels appears at her home with dying from a Phaser blast and the USS discovery appears in orbit of Earth, Michael must assume command once more and stop a new Time War before the future and past of the federation changes forever.
It is genuinely awful to see how STD brazenly besmirched canon by fumbling about with it in their storylines...
The fuck are you saying. There isn’t no canon breaking here.
Kinda ironic. They tried so extremely hard to be inclusive but made the only one who’s gay in real life get a heterosexual wedding on screen.
@shafown_gringo3595 Anthony Rapp and Wilson Cruz are both gay in real life and portray a married gay couple on the show. Tig Notaro is a lesbian and Jett Reno had a wife who had died before we met her.
@@teresaravenshaw5477 you are totally missing the point. These characters did not have a wedding on screen. I guess. Because I’m surely not wasting one mouseclick to look for the real names of these hacks or any of the characters they play. Anyway I’m pretty sure even without me knowing even one of these pathetically characters name my points pretty solid there
This is wonderful
Daniels got cronenberged, ...twice!
Yes leave this till the last episode 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 I'm like this show could have interlinked with Enterprise bringing back the actors as Archer is still alive when this was the pilot, it's just so frustrating all the waste.
And to all the haters....... Your still invited to Thanksgiving.
I am as much in shock over Kovich as others. I bet he was the thief in TNG "A matter of Time"....
Life It's own Self 🐘
Mr Cronenberg, I presume?
Did you mean the nx-01 Enterprise?
Oh well, at least Nu Trek tried
RIIIPPPP off.
Well, that explains a few things.
Also, I am shocked at the amount of hatred for Discovery, Enterprise and Voyager among some 'fans'. The whole point of Star Trek is to embrace differences, not be third-rate drama critics.
I adore enterprise and it’s one of my favorite series! Voyager was ok in the later seasons. Now I’m sorry but disco is not it for me. The writing has consistently made me struggle to care about any of the characters, and by the end of the show I still don’t know the names of the bridge crew. I don’t judge people who like it, but it’s not the kind of trek I enjoy watching. To me every season feels like it could have been one episode but got dragged out unnecessarily
What an awesome Series. I'm so sad to see it had to end. I hope we se more of that crew and timeline. To bad we haven't seen more of the DS9 Crew!!
Makes the temprial war and time agent class in star trek online more meh I guess or interesting
eff me! USS Enterprise?"
yes D or E
@@pumelo1 archers enterprise wasn’t a USS enterprise
@@matthewmcnerlin231 it is not about NX01😁 Mr.Daniels serve on Enterprise E
@@pumelo1 it is not Daniel’s from insurrection. It’s the time agent from archer you numpty
@@pumelo1when? Are you talking about insurrection? Don’t be a fool. This was another poor reference to proper trek and the NX01 as you inferring a lot. We also don’t have evidence of time agents on the E in canon. Watch trek instead of reading wiki
I wish the entire universe blew up and reset back to its original timeline.
But what species is he???
He told Archer that he's human "mostly."
Timot Danlen
It was a waste to bring him back on this series.
That reveal had nothing to do with the plot 1🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ sooooooo glad this sh*t show is over 😂😂
People wearing glasses in the 23rd century takes you out of the show.
He actually stated that he doesn’t need to. But enjoys it. Remember this guy is a time traveler. He loves old things.
@@malchalati Very true that is what he said.
@paulkolbuc.
Kirk wore glasses in at least of the movies if I remember correctly. Did that take him out of his century?
NO.
Just like _Picard_, they think that memberberries can substitute for good writing.
They can't.
Glad I never got into this show. Only episodes I liked is when pike on there
what is she handing him
Her Infinity Room access pin
Will weight loss management be a mentorship at the academy or just QuIrKiNesS?
So, you're single then
Oh man, now I see the resemblance. But now we have to make it up to Matt Winston and give him a role in his own series as a younger (Codename) Dr. Kovich.