BILL C-63 - Everything You Need to Know | Bruce Pardy & Konstantin Kisin | EP 442
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in-person with Canadian lawyer Bruce Pardy and podcaster Konstantin Kisin. They discuss Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Bill C-63 (aka The Online Harms Act), what powers it gives to the government, what rights it strips from citizens, and why even Americans should be concerned.
Bruce Pardy is executive director of Rights Probe, a law and liberty think tank, and professor of law at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, Canada. He is a lawyer, academic, columnist, and outspoken critic of the illiberal managerial state, fighting at the front lines of the culture war inside the law. Bruce writes for the National Post, Epoch Times, and the Brownstone Institute, among others, and serves as senior fellow at the Fraser Institute, the Macdonald-Laurier Institute, and the Frontier Centre for Public Policy. He has taught at law schools in Canada, the United States and New Zealand, practiced civil litigation in Toronto, and served as adjudicator and mediator on the Ontario Environmental Tribunal. The legal ground, Bruce has written, is shifting beneath our feet. The individual is losing to the collective. An ever-expanding bureaucracy regulates life from cradle to grave, including private behavior and speech, in the name of common good. The law has become discretionary, arbitrary, and unequal. The end of Western liberal civilization, as we have known it, is conceivable.
Konstantin Kisin is a Russian-British satirist, social commentator, and co-host of the TRIGGERnometry RUclips show. He is also the author of “An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West,” a Sunday Times bestseller. He has written for several publications, including Quillette, The Spectator, The Daily Telegraph, and Standpoint, on issues relating to tech censorship, woke culture, comedy, and other topics, but he currently publishes articles on his popular Substack. Kisin made headlines in 2018 when he refused to sign a "safe space contract" to perform comedy at a British college and again in 2023 when he participated in an Oxford Union debate on the motion of "This House Believes Woke Culture Has Gone Too Far." His speech at the debate received viral attention and has been seen by over 100 million people around the world.
This episode was recorded on April 14th, 2024
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- Chapters -
(0:00) Coming up
(0:35) Intro
(2:35) Starting with Bill C-16
(4:41) C-63 is “C-16 on steroids”
(8:19) Most people do not actually agree with free speech
(9:55) The devil in the details: what Bill C-63 actually says
(17:21) The UK has seen a similar rise against “harmful speech”
(19:19) Totalitarianism begins with the language of compassion
(22:21) You are allowed to cause people harm with your speech, this is why
(25:11) Tribunals are not courts, Bill C-63 empowers bureaucratic justice
(27:59) Rewriting of the law now guarantees equal outcome over equal treatment
(30:13) When the government is doing this, it means you no longer live in a free country
(35:04) What rights should we have? Where the Charter of Rights fails
(41:54) Non-crime hate incidents, the absurdity of overreach
(44:21) Intent and truth are no longer relevant
(48:05) Categories of hate speech restriction in Canada
(53:04) The weaponization of human rights
(1:00:39) You can be punished pre-crime if anyone demonstrates fear that you might commit one
(1:05:57) If a fact offends someone, Bill C-63 considers the fact harmful
(1:07:44) Why are there only a handful of people who seem concerned?
(1:12:54) Why constitutional lawyers are not speaking up
(1:15:10) Conservatives and Liberals are working together against the Woke, but disagree on the problem
(1:22:46) Debating the restriction of self-imposed harm, forced virtue is as bad as forced obedience
(1:31:57) Does freedom involve agency?
(1:35:16) This awful progressive idea has become mainstream
(1:38:20) Moral conviction should not become legal responsibility
(1:43:02) The dynamism between slave and tyrant
(1:45:43) The degenerate state, why laws replace self-regulation
Men need to speak up.
Risk is necessary for freedom.
I absolutely concur.
F that!
We had struggled sessions against us since 2015 with women rising against us to blame us for all the illnesses on this planet. ...and then other races and sex orientations and religions.
We have been taken out... May those who have been lifted above make a just world... And if not ...the woman can enjoy the dystonia ...we will be dead soon ...by poverty or war
Men need to take back control from women. Women and the way they skirt responsibility and take no accountability is the reason we are all in this mess.
Women need to stop mothering adults instead of having a family.
Easier said than done.
If I'm not mistaken, Bruce Pardy was one of the very few that supported Jordan Peterson from the very beginning when he opposed bill C-16. Good guy.
Yes he was. See Jordan's speech at Queen's Uni.
As a Canadian, this one was so important. Great conversation
Hats off to Mr. Kisin. He sat there, listening intently and everytime he interjected, it added to the conversation.
The Canadian guy really like to hear his own voice. He would make a point and then filibuster it by adding to it and adding to it and adding to it when I think everybody watching this thing was thinking let Kisin speak. Free Kisin. .
I would like to have heard more from him...😕
@@richo8475 To be fair, they were speaking about uniquely Canadian issues.
Kisin didn't belong. Not the first time. Guess being protected by MI6 makes you special, or something.
“Hate speech is ugly, but people do in fact hate each other! And if they are not allowed to say so, well then their speech is not free.” STUNNING. ABSOLUTELY stunning. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
and granted it would lead to an actual vioence
when all you have left is to fight, or to flee then maybe we're just being subject to the wrong game altogether at that point. Psyops everywhere.
If someone does hate you but they’re not allowed to say so, how can anyone possibly overcome their differences? Perhaps that’s the point
@@je__. : Why would it "lead to actual violence" ???
Completely true!!
The worst medical malpractice was how most the world handled COVID-19.
Imagine if Bruce Pardy and JP were your university profs. We are so lucky to have them on here for free
I am thankful that, at least while the society is crumbling apart, I may still listen to these intelligent people have productive conversations. Thank you.
Bill C-1984
Exactly 💥
Glad you had Bruce Pardy on…a great Canadian fighting for our Rights.
Fighting for your rights requires firepower, not words. I pity the fool who thinks freedom and rights comes from words and legislation.
@@devilsoffspring5519 what century do you live in, can I join you there? Here in the year of our Lord 2024 they've got drones that can snipe you before you even pull out your peashooter.
human rights:
In most cases, it seems that this term refers to certain (often vague) moral or legal entitlements that humans possess in relation to having or obtaining something, or to act in a certain way. This phrase has been used increasing more ubiquitously over the past century or so, with the implication that every human being, without exception, has identical and inalienable entitlements. However, this is a very obvious fallacy, as it invariably ignores the hierarchy of society.
For example, very few persons would doubt that parents have the right to discipline their children. However, their children OBVIOUSLY do not have the converse right, to chastize or instruct their parents. Therefore, it is nonsensical to speak of human rights in general, when each and every individual person has unique rights, depending on his or her place in the hierarchy of society.
The notion of rights is intimately intertwined with morality (or to be more accurate, the concept of dharma). So, in the above example, it is in accordance with morality/dharma for a parent to disciple his or her children, and if required, administer some form of punishment.
However, it would be objectively immoral for a child of any age (even a geriatric) to admonish his or her parents, except, perhaps, if a parent was afflicted with a disease or disability that inhibited the parent’s cognitive capabilities, such as dementia.
Cf. “dharma”.
According to a criminal organisation called the “United Nations”, there are thirty so-called “human rights”, listed in a document entitled “Universal Declaration of Human Rights”, but objectively speaking, only a couple of the listed articles of “rights” are predicated on the only ONE and ONLY human right, and that is the right for any person (that is any human being or non-human animal) to not be harmed unjustifiably. As is to be expected of a declaration by a bunch of deluded, ignorant fools, there is nowhere in the preamble any semblance of a stated definition of “human rights”. This is practically a universal occurrence in the fields of sociology, law, philosophy, ethics, and even in the so-called hard sciences. Just see the dramatic contrast between almost every academic essay paper and thesis/book ever published, compared with this Book of All Books! In order to be charitable to that evil body, the United Nations, it is probably fortuitous that they failed to proffer a definition of “rights”, since the “definition” that they are likely to have conjured-up in their feeble intellects would be incompetent, if not truly laughable.
@@devilsoffspring5519 Agreed, I've been saying this for a while. Unfortunately, the people here are only good at turning the cheek so they can get slapped twice.
As an alumni of Queens University (professor Pardy’s employer), I can say that he shines brightly as a beacon representing diversity of thought. While my alma mater is far from perfect, their decision to work with professor Pardy has always been a pride point of mine.
Konstantin is the man! One of the few British voices making sense right now and always raises the right issues
Unfortunately he never got to talk... Very poorly done on Jordan's part.
@@thesybeagree, I saw it all waiting for his intervention
@@thesybe
It seems Jordan had invited him to take part much more than just this conversation, considering the teasers I've seen of Konstantin being asked to play devils advocate on Jordans book tour. I think this is amazing and very healthy for Jordan behind (and in front of) the scenes.
You're not alone - my husband is a Canadian lawyer that agrees with you and many of his lawyer friends feel the same.
Please speak up then, go to the media
So who are they afraid of. Who's running their system. FMasnry? (It can't just be Marxist groupthink alone)
I have not heard of any lawyers forming a group to fight back against this and we are 4 years into this.
No we are in a commerce designed law called maritime law based from central banks
they think the same
The genius of "limited government" is that we stop government from having powers that exceed their wisdom.
Well said!
"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern: every class is unfit to govern." ~ Lord Acton
"The ideal Government of all reflective men, from Aristotle onward, is one which lets the individual alone - one which barely escapes being no government at all." ~H. L. Mencken
Fecking spot-on 😮
Unfortunately, many in the younger generations do not want limited government. They want a government that will take care of them, feed them, pay off their student loans and punish anyone who hurts their feelings.
@@dionbram I believe Acton's adage could be slightly expanded on: the only class potentially fit to govern is that of parents, and their fiefdom extends no further than their own family and property. Many different types of government can work at that scale, even communism.
"This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector." - Plato
Plato called it!
Thank you Jordan! Canadians would be lost without you ♥️
We are lost now. We need the good Dr to run for office
Thank you Jordan for yet another exceptional discussion. Thank you Bruce for making us understand this imperative: " Most people do not actually agree with free speech ".
Our gov has become corrupt in so many different ways
🐟 22. ILLEGITIMATE GOVERNANCES:
SOCIALISM (and its more extreme form, communism) is intrinsically evil, because it is based on the ideology of social and economic egalitarianism, which is both a theoretical and a practical impossibility. Equality exists solely in abstract concepts such as mathematics and arguably in the sub-atomic realm. Many proponents of socialism argue that it is purely an economic system and therefore independent of any particular form of governance. However, it is inconceivable that socialism/communism could be implemented on a nationwide scale without any form of government intervention. If a relatively small number of persons wish to unite in order to form a commune or worker-cooperative, that is their prerogative, but it could never work in a country with a large population, because there will always exist entrepreneurs desirous of engaging in wealth-building enterprises. Even a musician who composes a hit tune wants his song to succeed and earn him inordinate wealth.
Socialism reduces individual citizens to utilities, who, in practice, are used to support the ruling elite, who are invariably despotic scoundrels, and very far from ideal leaders (i.e. compassionate and righteous monarchs). Those citizens who display talent in business or the arts are either oppressed, or their gifts are coercively utilized by the corrupt state. Despite purporting to be a fair and equitable system of wealth distribution, those in leadership positions seem to live a far more luxurious lifestyle than the mass of menial workers. Wealth is effectively stolen from the rich. Most destructively, virtuous and holy teachings (“dharma”, in Sanskrit) are repressed by the irreligious and ILLEGITIMATE “government”.
The argument that some form of government WELFARE programme is essential to aid those who are unable to financially-support themselves for reasons beyond their control, is fallacious. A righteous ruler (i.e. a saintly monarch) will ensure the welfare of each and every citizen by encouraging private welfare. There is no need for a king to extort money from his subjects in order to feed and clothe the impoverished. Of course, in the highly-unlikely event that civilians are unwilling to help a person in dire straits, the king would step-in to assist that person, as one would expect from a patriarch (father of his people). The head of any nation ought to be the penultimate patriarch, not a selfish buffoon.
DEMOCRACY is almost as evil, because, just as the rabble favoured the murderous Barabbas over the good King Jesus, the ignorant masses will overwhelmingly vote for the candidate which promises to fulfil their inane desires, rather than one which will enforce the law, and promote a wholesome and just society. Read Chapter 12 for the most authoritative and concise exegesis of law, morality, and ethics, currently available.
Even in the miraculous scenario where the vast majority of the population are holy and righteous citizens, it is still immoral for them to vote for a seemingly-righteous leader. This is because that leader will not be, by definition, a king. As clearly and logically explicated in the previous chapter of this Holy Scripture, MONARCHY is the only lawful form of governance. If an elected ruler is truly righteous, he will not be able to condone the fact that the citizens are paying him to perform a job (which is a working-class role), and that an inordinate amount of time, money and resources are being wasted on political campaigning. Furthermore, an actual ruler does not wimpishly pander to voters - he takes power by (divinely-mandated) force, as one would expect from the penultimate alpha-male in society (the ultimate alpha-male being a priest).
The thought of children voting for who will be their parents or teachers, would seem utterly RIDICULOUS to the average person, yet most believe that they are qualified to choose their own ruler - they are most assuredly not. Just as a typical child fails to understand that a piece of sweet, juicy, healthy, delicious fruit is more beneficial for them than a cone of pus-infested, fattening, diabetes-inducing ice-cream, so too can the uneducated proletariat not understand that they are unqualified to choose their own leader, even after it is logically explained to them (as it is in this chapter, as well as in the previous chapter). And by “uneducated”, it is simply meant that they are misguided in the realities of life and in righteous living (“dharma”, in Sanskrit), not in facts and figures or in technical training. Intelligence doesn't necessarily correlate to wisdom. No socialist or democratic government will educate its citizens sufficiently well that the citizens have the knowledge of how to usurp their rule.
To put it frankly, democracy is rule by the “lowest common denominator”.
It should be obvious that ANARCHY can never ever succeed, because even the smallest possible social unit (the nuclear family) requires a dominator. Any family will fall-apart without a strict male household head. In fact, without the husband/father, there is no family, by definition. The English noun “husband” comes from the Old Norse word “hûsbôndi”, meaning “master of the house”.
The same paradigm applies to the extended family, which depends on a strong patriarchal figure (customarily, the eldest or most senior male). Likewise with clans, tribes, villages, towns, cities, and nations or countries.
Unfortunately, there are many otherwise-intelligent persons who honestly believe that an ENTIRE country can smoothly run without a leader in place. Any sane person can easily understand that even a nuclear family is unable to function properly without a head of the house, what to speak of a populous nation. The reason for anarchists' distrust of any kind of government is due to the corrupt nature of democratic governments, and the adulteration of the monarchy in recent centuries. However, if anarchists were to understand that most all so-called “kings/queens” in recent centuries were not even close to being true monarchs, they may change their stance on that inane “system”.
Most of the problems in human society are directly or indirectly attributable to this relatively modern phenomenon (non-monarchies), since it is the government’s role and sacred DUTY to enforce the law (see Chapter 12), and non-monarchical governments are themselves unlawful.
One of the many sinister characteristics of democracy, socialism, and other evil forms of governance, is the desire for their so-called “leaders” to control, or at least influence, the private lives of every single citizen (hence the term “Nanny State”). For example, in the wicked, decadent nations in which this holy scripture was composed, The Philippine Islands and The Southland (or “Australia”, as it is known in the Latin tongue), the DEMONIC governments try, and largely succeed, in controlling the rights of parents to properly raise, discipline and punish their children according to their own morals, compulsory vaccination of infants, enforcing feminist ideology, limiting legitimate powers an employer has over his servants, subsidizing animal agriculture, persecuting religious leaders (even to imprisonment and death, believe it or not. Personally, I have been jailed thrice for executing God’s perfect and pure will), and even trying to negatively influence what people eat and wear.
Not that a government shouldn’t control what its citizens wear in public, but it should ensure that they are MODESTLY dressed, according to the guidelines outlined in Chapter 28, which is hardly the case in Australia, the Philippines, and similar nations. At least ninety-nine per cent of Filipinas, for instance, are transvestinal, despite Philippines pretending to be a religious nation.
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Yup once I heard them use the word person with a vagina. I felt the court ls no longer are able to maintain their autonomy and authority
Nice to know they're working hard at innovating
Ha! I can't tell if you're Canadian, American, Brit, Aussie, Scot, Irish, ........
Which ways?
Every time (in the last 10 years or so) when I hear *yet more* about the re-jiggering of our language, I pull out my standard one-liner joke… it goes something like this:
“Oh sorry, I don’t understand. You see, I haven’t yet received my latest copy of the Newspeak dictionary…
I’m still using the 1983 edition.”
2+2=5
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Gold comment haha!!!
Great line, I hope I can remember it if the opportunity arises. Along the same lines, I am frequently reminded of this quote:
"Ah, this is obviously some strange usage of the word 'safe' that I wasn't previously aware of." -Douglas Adams
Cults use your vocabulary, but they don't use your dictionary.
@@dionbram oh, you’re gonna quote Arthur Dent at me? Well for that, you can feel free to use the line whenever you want!
During my lunch in a Canadian restaurant I overheard three white teachers (one man and two women) talking about white privilege and "what has to be done about it". One woman did most of the talking, the other two agreed with everything. Honestly, I thought I get a heart attack. Those stupid people are teaching kids in our schools ?! Seriously???
I came to Canada 40 years ago from former Czechoslovakia in 1984 (!!!), and now it feels like I am living in Orwell's 1984. This is crazy!!! What is happening to this country???? My daughter thinks that things are not bad yet, but she is not stupid and understands that one day either her or her kids will want to leave Canada.
It is indeed nightmarish.
Christ is king
But all countries will have this law, so where do we go then.
I had a very rough childhood.I don't stay quiet anymore.I challenge their thinking.
Do not accept this . Get rid of the current socialist government.
Sooooo glad I’m an elderly Christian!!!!
Realise, government never create a law to not use it later, even if they tell you otherwise.
I don't think that's being hidden.
'government never creates a law to not ABUSE it soon'
@thyme2gogh
But the conversation often goes like this:
Us: this can be misused to target good people doing nothing wrong.
Them: no, no one's going to use it That way.
Us: let's rewrite it then so that can't happen.
Them: no, what are you, evil? Do you hate children so much you Want to see them harmed?
The government has created so many complex and convoluted laws that every man constantly breaks some sort of law. The government can then use selective enforcement to target its enemies while allowing its friends to slip through.
This allows the government to appear to have some legitimacy while having the power of a totalitarian regime.
Like the pandemic preparedness ruse
A world of health and safety ... Gone MAD
I read about the insanity of the Soviet Union and Mao's China and it's so cruelly bizarre that you almost break out laughing. The utter stupidity and viciousness of those governments and of the common people were unfathomable. I thought it could never happen here. But I was wrong, and I am even seeing it in people who I know and love. There is this darkness that is settling on the West.
@@johnsmithers8913Well said & I totally agree
@@johnsmithers8913 At least in America (USA) there are people who will be taking up arms when SHTF. In Canada people are just rolling over. They have been for some times. The ones with a spine and sense leave.
Thank you for this!:)
"some harm is a consequence of freedom and thats the price we're willing to pay" amen
Clear laws required. Thank you Bruce Pardy. As a former internal auditor (SK) I can attest that there are inherent perverse incentives toward increasing legal and regulatory complexity.
What are they?
@@hintonoriginal if you either intimately know and understand the use of the relevant knowledge OR have a buddy/employee who does; the power you can have over other people is scary once you understand the implications of that @angelafraser1603 @hintonoriginal
@@hintonoriginal profit and power
In the public/regulatory sector, it is primarily power and prestige instead of profit, as bureaucrats are paid a salary based on position level (no distributed profits to be had in the public sector). The more funds, staff, responsibility and scope of work managed or directed by a regulator the higher the salary and prestige in the role. Most public sector employees loathe to downsize their department even when staff are under-utilised. Instead, under utilised staff will be encouraged to work toward increasing the frequency or amount of oversight, or increase the requirements or complexity to the regulation. This will bring interest, depth, breadth (etc) to their work, which feels good to them, but it definitely increases the regulatory burden without improving the outcomes or matching the purpose of the initial regulation.
Australia now has an eSafety commissioner who will decide what is acceptable speech on the internet. Politicians want her also to decide wha misinformation and disinformation then to ban it. How does a democracy survive without free speech?
freedom of speech:
the ability to speak one’s mind without fear of RETRIBUTION.
Normally, freedom of speech is dependent on the prevailing governmental rules, at least at the public level.
In private, freedom to speak one’s mind, is entirely contingent on the rules of the particular house or institution in question.
Freedom of speech does not negate the CONSEQUENCES of one’s speech. In order to give one example, if a child berates his father, obviously, he ought to be punished for that sinful deed. In order to propose another example, a genuine king will permit his subjects to criticize his actions in a constructive manner, as long as they refrain from deliberate insults, which is a criminal offence (see Chapter 12 of "A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity"). A large proportion of humanity seems to agree that one should refrain from speaking words that incite violent acts, and that one ought not yell the word “Fire!!” in a crowded room or auditorium, purely as a practical joke. Those who believe that free speech should be totally unconditional, will not be able to sustain that opinion if his or her children spout insubordinate speech, as in the first example.
So, to put it very succinctly, just as it is possible to execute immoral acts (that is to say, bodily acts such as theft, fornication, public obscenities, and murder), it is possible for a human to make verbal enunciations that are objectively immoral, far more than just those actions normally recognized by most jurisdictions, such as libel and slander. Any speech that is contrary to the principles of dharma, is unethical, and must be punished by a superior - again, few parents would excuse a child of theirs who belittled, insulted or even instruct them! Read Chapter 12 to learn the most authoritative interpretation of law/morality/ethics [“dharma”, in Sanskrit]).
Dont
Our country is also in big trouble. The WEF seems to actually calling the shots! Our e safety Comrad is a WEF puppet
It doesn't.
You have not understood any of the points made here.
This is exactly what we need. We need more professors and legal voices discussing these policies and laws in the west. Please keep hosting these talks
Kudos Bruce Pardy his explanation is very explicit and outspoken with no bias straight to the points
Pretty soon, some of these RUclips comments are going to become illegal.
I was thinking the same thing. And even if they aren't exactly illegal, everyone will be hesitant to write anything in fear of being 'found out' or reported.
Yes,...and retroactively. What is going to change is that the internet companies have to make available to the government a year's worth of everything you said. So they can go back and find something you said a year ago if it might have been illegal then.
None of mine stay up. Seriously. I see the comment, I refresh the page or the comment thread and it’s gone. I know so many other people are having the same experience.
@@ohwellwhateverrlook at that. Your comment is right here!
Umm, they already are.
"All animals are equal! But some animals are more equal than others."
Crazy how true that has become
@Investing-qg7xo We spent some time on "Animal Farm" in school. Our teacher focused on the representation of Communism. Have you read anything by Dr. Thomas Sowell? He goes on about the "intelligencia."
@@TheMrTEA-dc2eb yes, his basic economics should be required reading for all high school students
@Investing-qg7xo I picked up, "Ever Wonder Why?" and I love how humorous Dr. Sowell's explanations are. Thank you for the civil exchange.
@@TheMrTEA-dc2eb all the best friend!
Please have Bruce on more often, I can listen to him talk for hours.
these really should be two part or 3 hours long ...
Can the government be reported for hate?
The effectiveness of the outcome depends on the fervour of the one in receipt of it.
@@uk2k007 sounds like class action is required rather than individual voices.
That would be hateful - and because you smelt it, you dealt it - and go to prison for life. How dare you!
@@bradleymcgivney5305This much is true. There is likely a checkmate scenario however. Refusing or accepting to fight in a 3rd world war in return for social order?
This RUclips video is the logical approach, but the alternative is to just convince everyone that the government is more hateful than the individual
The Three Slogans of The Uniparty:
SPEECH IS VIOLENCE
FREEDOM IS DANGER
DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH
Also
Slava Ukraine 😏
@@taraosborne4559 Canada has multiple viable parties unlike the US. The "Uniparty" charge is tired... 🙄
This is terrifying 😮
@@fahimp3 in UK we have only the illusion of democratic choice, the powerful play both sides, the supranational top-down imposition of The Uniparty happens no matter who is elected. Our leaders prefer WEF to Westminster.
The Uniparty always wins.
Yeah, it is tired. We need Revolution.
@@fahimp3 Because you have more flavors of ice cream doesn't mean that someone didn't milk the bull.. Fancy a milkshake?
Exactly this is not how Gov. have the right to work for the people !
I wanted Konstantin to be more a part of this conversation. I wanted to hear more from him and don't feel that room was made for him. That be said, as a Canadian, I appreciated the breakdown and analysis of the bill by Mr Pardy and Dr P. Thank you!
Same. I wasn't a fan of how the discussion was conducted.
This law will be used to Shield those who coach children into asking for trans surgery and MAID. How is that for protecting children??
THe EU is already pushing back. puberty blockers are now banned.
I detest stuff like Bill C-63, we are adults and can have any conversation we see fit, anywhere we feel like having it, this will just be a tool used to arrest political adversaries.
Exactly
Yep, the power to define is the power to abuse. It is a license for bad faith mind reading by the justice system to abuse their ideological enemies.
Orwell's 1984, Huxley's Brave New World or Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451? YES, YES & YES!
"Safe" is the most dangerous 4 letter word of the decade.
This is how dictatorships and tyranny are developed.
😅
well yeah, he is fidel castro's son
It’s called Censorship and will be interpreted by the government. Very dangerous times in Canada
THANK YOU GENTS!
Just finished the Daily Wire section and find myself a bit more hopeful and cheerful than when I finished this bit.
I do think that we can believe in the triumph of the human spirit over tyranny. I think that humanity needs something to push back against and fight against. And that the draconian and dystopian laws that are being implemented all over the world are giving human ingenuity and resilience and desire for liberty something to fight back against. We’ve had things so good here in the West and perhaps the existential threats all around will waken us out of complacency and call us to war.
Dearest Dr. Peterson, I thought you looked and sounded exceptionally exhausted here. Your speech had those little pauses and hesitations I associate with the time you were so sick. I know you have no notion of resting. I just wanted to say I care about you and your well-being is very dear on my heart. Please don’t neglect the things that refill your spirit, like music and art and good reading. We can’t lose sight of the good things that we are fighting for.
With Ruth Anne’s love
Which "draconian and dystopian laws that are being implemented all over the world" are you referring to?
Yes, Dr Peterson please take care of yourself and enjoy time with your wife and family. We are living in crazy times.
@@hughmac13 From this side of the pond, there are Orwellian “Hate Speech” laws being rolled out in Scotland and the Republic of Ireland and which have a very one-sided definition of hate, “Low Emissions Zones” are being rolled out that impede on the personal autonomy of the working classes, Germany just passed the “Self-Determination Act” that fines people €10,000 for “dead-naming” trans-identifying people, meanwhile we’ve had six months of Islamists being allowed to shut down entire blocks of major cities while Jews get told by police to go away because their presence is a provocation. We’re living in 1930s Berlin.
I agree, I think Jordan is looking I’ll again. Let’s pray for him and his family. Amen.
@@mariaguzman1552 His spring tour looks grueling. How lovely and kind of you folks to be caring so much. I fear too he's driven to do what he can, while he can.
Dr. Pardy was fascinating to listen to.
Your Podcast is priceless. Thank you for keeping it Up ❤
Great discussion. Thank you very much.
I was a juror recently in Canada. The judge was so woke it was disturbing. Even the jury wranglers rolled their eyes. As far as I’m concerned, her behaviour is grounds for mistrials.
Cultural revolution and long March through the institutions.
the head of the Kamloops RCMP is retiring and went on the news telling Canadians the judges are mandated essentially to not lock up people. they want the least amount of time for the crimes because they are not repeat offenders they are victims of addiction or society. the stats are crazy so few offenders doing 99.9% of the crimes they get caught and are our by lunch. but like firearms the Liberal NDP do not listen. and ad to that Jagmeet forced the police to stop the one thing that worked in gang areas stopping drugs n guns "carding" since its not jagmeets neighborhood he called it racist and forced bill blair to stop it
Woke is a mental illness. In a group it is a cult.
As a juror I would have filed a complaint
As a group, judges are the worst and NOT that bright. Only book smart in a very narrow way
Glad you're covering this. This is terrifying. Love Bruce Pardy by the way. ❤
32:02 Coldest moment 🥶
Thank you. So glad there’s rationality left in this world
I am… not glad, but grateful, that you are tackling this issue with Bruce and Konstantin, Dr. Peterson, and even more grateful you have them fighting beside you. When I get weary of worrying about my country I turn around and worry about yours, because a change is as good as a rest, they say. I do declare plainly that I seek a country, that is, an heavenly, and believe that God has prepared for us a city (Hebrews 11) but would like a little less authoritarianism here. I came out of authoritarian religious system and I am sick at heart when I see the exact same patterns as I saw there played out in the broader world.
So dearly looking forward to see you in Boston and did I mention, I’m bringing a friend?
With Ruth Anne’s love.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
deserve neither and will lose both
and will usually lose both.
Seeing what is happening in our lives and hearing how the founders of the us talked about governments you get to see just how insanely intelligent and well thought out their ideas were.
I fully recall reading into the founders and their discussions when i was a younger teen and thinking these were some pretty smart guys, now i go back and think these guys werent smart. They were literal geniuses. Men that had taken the ideas fully to the end of the line to see what the consequences were in nearly all cases.
Most excellent conversation!❤️❤️❤️
RUclips 'never' gives me notifications for Jordan B Peterson new releases
These conversations are so well done and intelligently informative. Thanks so much to Jordan and the participants!
Can't have a country like Scotland out-woke you.
When Scotland becomes woke, you KNOW the world is fucked beyond repair.
Insightful
Wow, POPPING off with sheer truth of the matter. i feel knowledge is a game of patience. And this means of informing is one step or two behind the actions taken to run society.
What to do with the perniciousness of our gov't. I feel trapped inside Canada. I'm low income retired, and also feel the desire to speak up, but my voice carries no weight. I've emailed our politicians, both federal and local and I get the standard 'form' email in return plus a packet of seeds, which is insulting. So my emails are ineffectual, when I speak to them during an election, when they come door to door, they have no time, and say 'write a letter'...so I stay in a country that I feel has betrayed my values, which are, to pay for ones' taxes, and expect law and order in return. I'm paying my taxes, and criminals run free, and I"m made to feel guilty for being 'privileged'.
We’ve reached the “age of irrelevance” and it becomes more apparent every day. We don’t matter once we’re older. And now the government is helping the current generation relieve the aged of the fruits of their lifetimes of labour as well.
You matter to me. Your wisdom that you’ve gained in your life time matters. Our elders are so needed and valuable in our communities. Spread your knowledge to the younger generations ?
These two guests should have been interviewed separately so they would have had equal time.
When bruce said he has had a suspicion of authority for as long as he can remember , I became his biggest fan.
Yes. Kissen is 10x better than the other
@@oliveirabrown2503If you love British Intelligence talking points with a smattering of 'barely anti-woke', sure.
So fantastic
Superb session. It definitely helped my perspective.
What a fantastic conversation! Thank you for sharing it with us. Respect from Australia 🇦🇺
Kissen 10x better. You never hear him. Look him up on triggerometry
Canadian human rights law is a mockery of human rights
Canadian government is a mockery of governments.
It's time for a new government that SERVES the people, and not corporate agendas.
If you accept 'human right's can be granted to you by other humans, you must also accept those same humans can take then away. And they will.
You are BORN with human rights. They are God given. Never forget it.
Great discussion.
That was a very key point
Well said Bill. 1:31:30
The more ambiguity, the more they can make up rules as they go to fit any circumstance.😊
Depending on which side is in power.
@@chriswhite2151 The person in power at the moment. If the all obeyed laws there would be no problems!
Thank-you for another informative discussion.
Great discussion, but it was a pity that Konstantine was underused.He has a great understanding of the cultural perspective.
The quote wasn't actually Voltaire, if anyone is interested.
It was Evelyn Beatrice Hall, on the beliefs of Voltaire in her book Friends of Voltaire. (She also wrote a biography or him)
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
The idea that kids from 3 detest snitches isn’t true anymore. My son got called into the principals office after having issues with a classmate, he wasn’t at fault but refused to tell. He said Mum, I’m no snitch. I high fived him but explained we needed context. It’s not the case with the leftie kids. My son’s teacher explained most kids are being told if anyone says - 1 thing - that hurts your feelings, tell a teacher straight away. This same teacher explained how concerned she was, these kids have no resilience, negotiation skills or ability to rise above words. The culture is changing in the classroom about ‘telling on them’. Making hurt feelings a currency and to seek intervention immediately from an authority. This is in Australia.
Well, it's wonderful in my home country of AUSTRALIA - the people are all very humble, religious and respectful folk.
Oh, and incidentally, pigs can fly.🤪
Feelings should never count as a reason. I think all parents should read "the gulag archipelago". Family turning on family!!
Remember people called the police on their neighbors for having people over during 2020-2021 and were happy with themselves...
@@waynotraffo9221 Shameful to rat out a neighbor for minor things!! Drug sales, making explosives, assaulting someone or hurting children, I understand!!
@@grammadrm4974 Yes indeed! The Gulag Archipelago should be required reading for every student to graduate from high school.
But Solzhenitsyn brings up ideas like God, and good and evil, and right and wrong and totalitarian regimes, so, like the comment up above, I suppose that would happen only when the proverbial pigs fly (or become 'more equal than others' - you know, to mix metaphors, haha! 🤷🏽♀️)
I had no idea who Bruce Pardy was until today, but I am very happy to listen to this man talk. Kostantin is a fantastic guest, I hope you have him back on the show soon.
This guest is brilliant and articulate. Good program.
Wonderful discussion. Thanks for giving the public such clarity about what the ruling classes are nefariously up to.
Very good. I wish Bruce engaged with Konstantin more. Perhaps just checking in with eye contact because there were a ton of cues from Konstantin that he missed out on, and it felt like there were some missed interactions.
That was also my observation.
Konstantin is MI6, his father was a Yeltsin era oligarch
I love that kk sat quietly and listened to these great minds. Don't really know why he was there but appreciate his humility after he got his his hit at Putin. Lol
@@MrRozburnglad you discovered another thing to add to the childish "everyone I don't like is a nayze/ Russian/ bot/ white supremacist/ grifter"
🤣@@MrRozburn
A thoroughly enjoyable & thought provoking conversation - thank you all 🍁
1:09:11 This warmed my heart so much
I was waiting for Konstantin to speak???Finally - thanks for posting
If it was honestly about protecting children then you would simply make internet access only available to adults.
Yeah. If they are willing to disregard Freedoms, that would be the way.
@chickenmonger123 Despite his libertarian stance, Dr Pardy mentioned that his arguments for personal sovereignty and autonomy can realistically only apply to adults.
@@chickenmonger123 Children aren't allowed in bars, strip clubs, casinos, etc., is that disregarding freedom? 🤔
Smartphones and social media should be banned for young children. I say that as a libertarian.
This much more difficult and potentially problematic than you may realize. Here's an initial couple questions for you to think about.
How do determine the users actual age?
Next who determines what is and isn't age appropriate?
We have enough controversy over just trying to label books with an reading age.
This is terrifying.
Don’t be so scared.
We are having such a law now in France (adopted on 10 April) but it is now subject to the opinion of the constitutional court; il s'agit de la loi visant à sécuriser et réguler l'espace numérique (SREN). Thank you for such an interesting and instructive debate.
Thank you gentlemen for this important and interesting conversation.
At about 1:31:00 What came to mind about using the government and law to regulate people is a difficult call, the question immediately must be, what is the percentage of people being able to regulate themselves?
Our societies with the tool of democracy made humans weaker.
Another question arose. I agree with minimal state intervention, but I have not lived in a country yet that didn't have public healthcare. The only thing I could imagine happening, if we didn't have it, is it becomes cheaper and probably better(?). This scould be a podcast of its own, definitively an interesting topic too.
Great having a professor of law and a thinker participating. All the best gentlmen.
He didn't have a lot of time in this interview, but something about Konstantin makes me very interested to see where his path leads as time goes.
Excellent discussion. Tyranny keeps manifesting at a very fast speed.
As always, stunning material, thoughtfully put together. Really gives us something to think about. I wish Konstantin had had more opportunities to speak. Thanks Dr. Peterson!
I'm Canadian with a warrant for breach of probation, nothing crazy, can I leave Canada? Someone help me with answers. I need to get out of here.
This is no troll comment. I would appreciate all serious replies. I really want to leave Canada.
"All it needs for evil to win, is for good men and women to stand by and do nothing." If you want to see change on a political level, then DO SOMETHING outside of the internet. Get involved in school, in your local community, at your workplace. Talk to other people and encourage them to speak up and get involved too. We are many and the politicians are few. If it comes to the worst - like a civil war - then the majority will overthrow the minority. But before it even gets to that stage: Speak up! At work. At school. At family gatherings. And get active in your local community. Only THEN we'll have a chance to see change🤷🏼♀️🤔
Goodluck Canada, wish we could help, but we’ve got our own war to fight in America.
Yeah, but at least you guys make money at war. Canada's gonna go poor doing it. Can't you guys down there figure out how to build something cheaper than the F-35?!
Ya it's in Isreal. money laundering rebranded.
@@devilsoffspring5519Profiting off of war isn't anything to be proud of. Nor is money laundering under the guise of helping another country.
@@marasegal1849 Who said anything about pride? I was barely even talking about war anyway, I was mostly talking about money. Money is money, even dirty money don't stink after it's properly cleaned :).
@@devilsoffspring5519 Money is money? Making money without accountability and integrity is just a form of legalized crime.
Faith over Fear
Judges are appointed in Canada. There is a risk that the authoritarian minded will select their friends who do not believe in the rule of law. They will also interpret the law through the critical theory, cultural marxist, equity lens. Legitimizing legislative power vs keeping it in check. The Canadian Charter has been a disaster and would argue it has undoone previous common law principles that would have done more to protect citizens from the administrative state.
1:31:20
"Enforced to be virtuous is obedience"
Well said!
I got single out by CPS in Quebec because it was not conceivable that I, has a man, was taking care of the kids alone while the mother was always abandoning them.
So yes our institution are ideologically captured
Quebec has been a criminal state for decades.
managing the masses instead of laws
Great conversation covering important insights to remember
Government should only do three things. Provide a military to provide protection. Police force for protection, and lastly a fair judiciary. Canada federal government provides ZERO OF THE THESE THINGS
It only makes sure you provide taxes for its existence and the rest is absolutely not important.
As Canadians let’s take a page out of Scotland’s playbook and IF this law gets through, we should all immediately and anonymously report PMJT for his hateful rhetoric and repeated face painting crimes
Keep it up for several months, and They will be so overwhelmed by the hundreds of thousands of complaints as to render the law useless
Excellent video! Thankyou.
Patrice O'Neal used to say "Why can't I hate you... with speech?" From what i got from him is he liked to talk about why we hate each other. He wanted to get to the bottom of it and see if there was any way to be friends at the end.
It's very encouraging to see that some schools still have teachers that aren't completely captured by left vs. right ideology.