Recently saw a comment that Bismarck’s had “incredible armor penetration” “50% more than the Nel/Rods”… everything I look up has its guns being just average for World War II battleships. Also I found that the Lotorios had the highest armor penetration of any 15” gun used. Could you confirm this please? Thank you.
Maybe a dumb question but have to wonder what would the ultimate ship be like if you could combine the best elements of each ship Also worse elements combined to make the worst ship
Legends say that if Drachinifel mentions japanese torpedo boats and you listen real carefully, you can hear a faint echo of Admiral Rozhestvensky cursing out his ships.
The picture of Kagerō at 1:36 I find really fascinating. First, it shows what is now non-standard katakana use, as at the time its name was rendered in katakana as カゲロフ rather than the more modern カゲロウ or カゲロー. Japanese orthography was still very much in flux in the Meiji era, but I certainly didn't expect something we'd render in alphabet as "Kagerofu". Second, it's fun to note that at the time, the later (Taisho and Showa-era) tradition of writing bow-to-stern hadn't yet emerged at this time, and in both this and the image at 4:52 the name is seen written right to left on both port and starboard (as Japanese was typically written at the time when not written vertically). So anyone without much context for historical Japanese orthography would look at it, written as フロゲカ and have a hell of a time looking up the Imperial Japanese destroyer "Furogeka". Also, the dakuten is present on the port but missing on the starboard, so I suppose you'd also be excused for thinking it was the "Furokeka".
To add some further linguistic info about this case of historical spelling: Old Japanese /p/ turned into /f/ in Middle Japanese, which turned into /h/ in Modern Japanese (except before /u/, likely due to the vowel's influence). Incidentally, this is why the b-series of kana is the h-series with a dakuten, rather than a more expected p-series with a dakuten (e.g. は "ha" without diacritics, ば "ba" with a dakuten (and in this case, ぱ "pa" with a handakuten)). Except, in Middle Japanese there was another sound change that turned /f/ into /w/ between vowels. In this particular case, /wu/ was (and still is) an illegal syllable in Japanese, and so it self-corrected to /u/. (Modern Japanese verbs ending in -う are other examples of this (e.g. 使う tsukau "to use" has the historical spelling 使ふ This also explains why these verbs' negative forms have their final kana become "wa" (使わない tsukawanai) rather than "a") And finally, in Japanese the vowel sequence /ou/ becomes a long /o:/.
"the later (Taisho and Showa-era) tradition of writing bow-to-stern hadn't yet emerged at this time" What do you mean? Before the end of WWII it was always written right to left regardless of if it was on the port or starboard side. "Also, the dakuten is present on the port but missing on the starboard, so I suppose you'd also be excused for thinking it was the "Furokeka"." This one is interesting, because the "ケ" is clearly written in a different font in the two pictures. I wonder if the kana was actually the same on both sides, but changed over time when it got repainted. It wouldn't be the only time that the IJN skipped the dakuten on ship markings (see Zuikaku's "ス"). What are the dates on the two photos? Considering that the later Kagerou had the dakuten, my guess would be that they added it later to avoid confusion that might be possible with some other ships names.
@ as for the first point, aircraft, commercial vessels and occasionally IJN vessels used this convention, and indeed you often see it to this day. I’ve seen both in reference photos. The omission of the dakuten is relevant in the same way. It’s just to illustrate that in the Meiji era through to the early post-war, conventions of written language were in flux, and would be unfamiliar to Japanese learners as well as many younger Japanese.
@@plastictsubasa1390 Could you link to a reference photo with kana going left to right on a pre-1945 IJN ship? I've only seen it right to left, on either side and even on the stern (though the stern usually has hiragana instead of katakana). In regards to the dakuten, it was still correct to use it back then, but was sometimes omitted for convenience to cleanliness. Even today Toyota does this, their family name is Toyoda, which would have a dakuten on the "タ" but they decided to omit it and call the company Toyota instead. The "フ" instead of an "ウ" is definitely a change though, and a similar change can also been seen in ships like Asashio, "ホシサア" instead of "オシサア".
@@Quasarnova1 The story I heard was that 'toyota' gave a more auspicious stroke count than 'toyoda'. Wrto the shift post war to left-to-right, I wondered if it was due to the influx of english loan words during the american occupation.
I wish that there had been a class of RN destroyers named after weather systems. It could have featured HM Ships with names such as: Alright For This Time of Year, Nice Weather for the Ducks, Good for the Garden and Not Bad Once You're In. Designig the ships' badges might have been a challenge though.
But, but - according to Reliable Russian Reports Japanese torpedo boats attacked them in the North Sea, then chased the Russians all the way down the English Channel.
It's definitely impressive. I'd be interested to know how they managed it. I'm guessing screws that were, proportionally, a bit large and *very* careful balancing of the rotating assemblies on the engines to reduce vibration. And, of course, an ample supply of steam and demon-posessed stokers to keep the boilers fed with coal.
Well after a good tour of la Royale aka marine nationale, back to the nipponese ships. I just finished a fine Burgundy, I switch to ramen and sake 😂 Thanks for all the work Drachinifel you are a blessing to all of us 🙏
Well done! You don't even hesitate saying those long names. I struggle with common foreign names in my area. My coworker is of German/polish descent and I tell her I will never be able to say her last name correctly, there aren't enough vowels. 😅
No 'Rainbow' (虹 [Niji] ) was ever commissioned into the IJN, the closest ship to such a name would likely be Amagumo ( 雨雲 ) which is Raincloud, though this was a planned name for a canceled member of the Akizuki class and not actually given to any vessels either.
The top end of reciprocating steam engines was never really explored. Coal firing puts some hard limits on what you can do. The necessity of laying an even bed of coal across the grate means grate area is capped. Yes, you can add more scuttles to access the grate, but that weakens the structure and you lose heat with every additional hole you add. You also have a very limited time at full output until your engine room personnel become exhausted. Feeding a boiler with coal is very hard work. Lastly, you're dealing with a supply issue that may limit how long you can put out maximum steam. Coal has to be moved from the bunker to the engine room. There the large lumps have to be broken up into smaller pieces that will burn evenly, and finally someone scoops up a shovel and chucks it onto the grate. This is one reason why, in WW1, sailing ships could outrun steam ships if they played their cards right. The steam ship had a higher burst speed, but if it hadn't caught up by the time its stokers got exhausted and the supply of broken coal thinned out, the sailer could maintain a higher sustained speed. SMS Seeadler used this mechanic to her advantage, running down steam ships that, on paper, were faster.
@@christopherreed4723That's the fuel. But expansion engines could be fueled by oil too. Theoretically the turbine should be faster since it has not as much friction but using up more fuel.
Drach: "The Imperial Japanese Navy was evaluating the performance of their torpedo boat fleet. They'd had some success..." Me: You mean "They'd had some success without even leaving port." Kamchatka: 😱 DO YOU SEE TORPEDO BOATS??
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thanks Drach You have often said the 5/38 was the better weapon for the US in the Pacific war due to it's faster traverse and higher rate of fire compared to the older 5/51. While the faster traverse is obvious due to the 5/38 being smaller and much lighter, i don't understand why the rate of fire would be that much higher/ Both being 5inch weapons, surely the shell and propellant charge would be similar enough that if shouldn't make that much difference. Am I missing something?
Mindless guesses ... * Possibly the 5"/51 had to return to level for loading * Possibly other normal technological improvements in the 5"/38 * Possibly the 5"/38 used a smaller case to go with the shorter barrel
The real question is - Did Kamchatka actually lose? Years will pass, maybe even just days, and you have already forgotten the names of the victorious Japanese torpedo boats. But you will always remember the name Kamchatka.
He wasn't speaking Russian. Quick quiz: how do YOU pronounce the capitol of Russia? Or of France and Italy, for that matter? Words change across languages.
Congratulations on your dogged attempt to pronounce all of those different Russian and Japanese names one right after the other. It must have your tongue tied in knots.
Quit trying to fool the people p.. This didn't happen an hour ago?? More like a century ago.. if not longer.. come on now get updated and real history....
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
What's your personal favorite naming scheme for each major navy in the period the channel covers?
Recently saw a comment that Bismarck’s had “incredible armor penetration” “50% more than the Nel/Rods”… everything I look up has its guns being just average for World War II battleships. Also I found that the Lotorios had the highest armor penetration of any 15” gun used. Could you confirm this please? Thank you.
Looking at interwar battleships, cruisers and destroyers, what would be your most dangerously top heavy/instable vessel for each type?
Has every single major navy at some point had a destroyer named thunder or lightning (or Ikazuchi, Blyskawica etc.)?
Maybe a dumb question but have to wonder what would the ultimate ship be like if you could combine the best elements of each ship
Also worse elements combined to make the worst ship
Legends say that if Drachinifel mentions japanese torpedo boats and you listen real carefully, you can hear a faint echo of Admiral Rozhestvensky cursing out his ships.
Plus, the distinct sound of binoculars hitting the water
@@AtomicBabel you beat me to the punch 😛
This must be one of those characters in Kamchatka's lucid dreams.
The whole of Imperial Russia wouldn't have had enough binoculars for Admiral Rozhdesdvensky to throw into the sea if Kamchatka survived Tsushima
My Neighbour Torpedoboat
@@Freyja666 Help! I need CPR after that pun!
Wet dreams
I saw one in the North Sea last week, I swear.
The picture of Kagerō at 1:36 I find really fascinating. First, it shows what is now non-standard katakana use, as at the time its name was rendered in katakana as カゲロフ rather than the more modern カゲロウ or カゲロー. Japanese orthography was still very much in flux in the Meiji era, but I certainly didn't expect something we'd render in alphabet as "Kagerofu".
Second, it's fun to note that at the time, the later (Taisho and Showa-era) tradition of writing bow-to-stern hadn't yet emerged at this time, and in both this and the image at 4:52 the name is seen written right to left on both port and starboard (as Japanese was typically written at the time when not written vertically). So anyone without much context for historical Japanese orthography would look at it, written as フロゲカ and have a hell of a time looking up the Imperial Japanese destroyer "Furogeka". Also, the dakuten is present on the port but missing on the starboard, so I suppose you'd also be excused for thinking it was the "Furokeka".
To add some further linguistic info about this case of historical spelling:
Old Japanese /p/ turned into /f/ in Middle Japanese, which turned into /h/ in Modern Japanese (except before /u/, likely due to the vowel's influence). Incidentally, this is why the b-series of kana is the h-series with a dakuten, rather than a more expected p-series with a dakuten (e.g. は "ha" without diacritics, ば "ba" with a dakuten (and in this case, ぱ "pa" with a handakuten)).
Except, in Middle Japanese there was another sound change that turned /f/ into /w/ between vowels. In this particular case, /wu/ was (and still is) an illegal syllable in Japanese, and so it self-corrected to /u/. (Modern Japanese verbs ending in -う are other examples of this (e.g. 使う tsukau "to use" has the historical spelling 使ふ This also explains why these verbs' negative forms have their final kana become "wa" (使わない tsukawanai) rather than "a")
And finally, in Japanese the vowel sequence /ou/ becomes a long /o:/.
"the later (Taisho and Showa-era) tradition of writing bow-to-stern hadn't yet emerged at this time"
What do you mean? Before the end of WWII it was always written right to left regardless of if it was on the port or starboard side.
"Also, the dakuten is present on the port but missing on the starboard, so I suppose you'd also be excused for thinking it was the "Furokeka"."
This one is interesting, because the "ケ" is clearly written in a different font in the two pictures. I wonder if the kana was actually the same on both sides, but changed over time when it got repainted. It wouldn't be the only time that the IJN skipped the dakuten on ship markings (see Zuikaku's "ス"). What are the dates on the two photos? Considering that the later Kagerou had the dakuten, my guess would be that they added it later to avoid confusion that might be possible with some other ships names.
@ as for the first point, aircraft, commercial vessels and occasionally IJN vessels used this convention, and indeed you often see it to this day. I’ve seen both in reference photos. The omission of the dakuten is relevant in the same way. It’s just to illustrate that in the Meiji era through to the early post-war, conventions of written language were in flux, and would be unfamiliar to Japanese learners as well as many younger Japanese.
@@plastictsubasa1390 Could you link to a reference photo with kana going left to right on a pre-1945 IJN ship? I've only seen it right to left, on either side and even on the stern (though the stern usually has hiragana instead of katakana).
In regards to the dakuten, it was still correct to use it back then, but was sometimes omitted for convenience to cleanliness. Even today Toyota does this, their family name is Toyoda, which would have a dakuten on the "タ" but they decided to omit it and call the company Toyota instead. The "フ" instead of an "ウ" is definitely a change though, and a similar change can also been seen in ships like Asashio, "ホシサア" instead of "オシサア".
@@Quasarnova1 The story I heard was that 'toyota' gave a more auspicious stroke count than 'toyoda'.
Wrto the shift post war to left-to-right, I wondered if it was due to the influx of english loan words during the american occupation.
I wish that there had been a class of RN destroyers named after weather systems. It could have featured HM Ships with names such as: Alright For This Time of Year, Nice Weather for the Ducks, Good for the Garden and Not Bad Once You're In.
Designig the ships' badges might have been a challenge though.
That’d have been sweet. Better than the flower class.
"the Japanese found it hard to get their torpedo boats into position" ... cue supercut of IJN torpedo boats teleporting behind Kamchatka
Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru
NANI
But, but - according to Reliable Russian Reports Japanese torpedo boats attacked them in the North Sea, then chased the Russians all the way down the English Channel.
Just a note - the title should note the launch year as there was a fubuki class DD also named Murakumo
I’m just here for all the Kamchatka references.
I never get tired of the intro theme
I like it, but my nerves can't handle the main guns firing at the end. I have to skip that part
“Do you see torpedo boats?”
"Da!" (Kamtschatka probably)
"...everywhere..."
Yes
American destroyers in Gulf of Tonkin: YES!
* *binoculars fly into ocean* *
30 Knots with tripple expansion engines? I can't imagine how much wibration there was, and in how long they could maintain that speed.
Thank you for our weekly 5-Minute Guide Drach!
"Named after weather systems". No wonder the Kamchatka saw Japanese torpedo boats everywhere ... or was just the vodka ?
Maybe a little from column A and a little from column B
@@johnfisher9692 And a little due to an "unexplainable" lack of binoculars for the crew...
A great video,thank you.Its very difficult to imagine triple expansion engines revving up to make 30 knots.
It's definitely impressive. I'd be interested to know how they managed it. I'm guessing screws that were, proportionally, a bit large and *very* careful balancing of the rotating assemblies on the engines to reduce vibration. And, of course, an ample supply of steam and demon-posessed stokers to keep the boilers fed with coal.
@@christopherreed4723 Could they have used gearing, anti-reduction so to speak, to raise propeller speed without crazy piston speed?
I love these early morning drops when I’m working weekend 12 OT shifts at the Yahd
Those aren't torpedo boats! They don't have nets, fish, and aren't operating in the north sea
Quite a very good point!
They aren't operating in the North Sea.....yet.
But they came from Britain.
Surely they hide on a small canal island until the kamchatka came by.
Kamchaka..... the ghost rises again...
@@robertpainter8044 the ghost rises, cries "torpedoes!" and recedes back into the abyss amid a hail of binoculars.
What a great video to watch before work
The aggressive nature of Japanese destroyers in WWII seems to have had their start with these ships.
Well after a good tour of la Royale aka marine nationale, back to the nipponese ships. I just finished a fine Burgundy, I switch to ramen and sake 😂 Thanks for all the work Drachinifel you are a blessing to all of us 🙏
Torpedo boats ? In this part of the world ? Localised entirely in your imagination?
Unnamed repair ship captain : yes
"May we see them?"
Surprisingly competent wee ships for their time, with an impressive combat record to go with it.
YES, we see torpedo boats!
I see torpedo boats.
Thanks!
Starting the tradition of Japanese destroyers having the coolest names :D
Thats a bit of a interesting bit of history for BAE systems in Glasgow at goven and scoutsson formaly yarrows
Do you see torpedo boats?
Looks Like the kind of vessel that is going to cause Kamchatka a heart attack.
What we don’t hear is if it was equipped with a trawl or drift nets…
The lingual gymnastics required for pronouncing all those names was most impressive
The famous Torpedo Boats of the Japanese North Sea Fleet
Well done! You don't even hesitate saying those long names. I struggle with common foreign names in my area. My coworker is of German/polish descent and I tell her I will never be able to say her last name correctly, there aren't enough vowels. 😅
I'm convinced that Polish is the linguistic counterweight to Hawaiian.
Kamchacta is rolling at the bottom of the ocean with this video.
Thanks drach
Very good pictures of all these vessels. It’s very hard to find good full side shots of older ships….Especially Russian and Japanese ships.
Thank you.
Does anyone see Japanese torpedo boats?
I have to admit Japanese names for their ships were more poetic than the names our American ships names.
(Kamchatka sweating intensifies)
Japanese torpedo boats were very successful even when they weren't there at all. Just ask Kamchatka.
Just by existing (somewhere) they almost started ww1 13 years early.
Somehow they lack fishnets🤔
By all accounts these were handy small ships for the time, but I can seer why they were scrapped after the war
First time I hear detailed account of japanese destroyers during Tsushima battle. Does anyone know the source?
*cries in kamchatka*
Can you review the RN Oriani, WW2 Italian destroyer? This particular destroyer to ok part in many battles and escort missions with the Regia Marina.
Came here faster than YT notifications could alert me.
👍👍
We're gonna have to do one about McHale's Navy.
An April Fools' video about PT73 does sound like fun.
It is interesting to hear that torpedo boats were chasing de destroyers.
I guess the Russian destroyers had been older models?
Did you know these had a range of 15,000 nautical miles? It’s how they were able to prowl the North Sea and the fjords around Norway.
I must say that Japanese ship names are quite poetic! I wonder if there was an IJN "Rainbow"...
No 'Rainbow' (虹 [Niji] ) was ever commissioned into the IJN, the closest ship to such a name would likely be Amagumo ( 雨雲 ) which is Raincloud, though this was a planned name for a canceled member of the Akizuki class and not actually given to any vessels either.
@@jack.w2532I see the name Niji and I’m reminded of a certain black company in Japan.
Tsushima....
One of the biggest victories of the Japanese navy 🎉
B. Z. Drach
I see ... 😁
hmmm. a new class. Hoover destroyers.
Sounds like these little vessels were an excellent investment for the Japanese.
Phosphorescent Foam sounds like a Navy ship named by the Village People
Last time I was this early the british battlecruisers still had their blast doors closed
How fast could a triple expansion drive go? Would a turbine with the same HP go faster? If so how much?
The top end of reciprocating steam engines was never really explored. Coal firing puts some hard limits on what you can do. The necessity of laying an even bed of coal across the grate means grate area is capped. Yes, you can add more scuttles to access the grate, but that weakens the structure and you lose heat with every additional hole you add. You also have a very limited time at full output until your engine room personnel become exhausted. Feeding a boiler with coal is very hard work. Lastly, you're dealing with a supply issue that may limit how long you can put out maximum steam. Coal has to be moved from the bunker to the engine room. There the large lumps have to be broken up into smaller pieces that will burn evenly, and finally someone scoops up a shovel and chucks it onto the grate.
This is one reason why, in WW1, sailing ships could outrun steam ships if they played their cards right. The steam ship had a higher burst speed, but if it hadn't caught up by the time its stokers got exhausted and the supply of broken coal thinned out, the sailer could maintain a higher sustained speed. SMS Seeadler used this mechanic to her advantage, running down steam ships that, on paper, were faster.
@@christopherreed4723That's the fuel.
But expansion engines could be fueled by oil too.
Theoretically the turbine should be faster since it has not as much friction but using up more fuel.
Sounds like this class had good lives.
Oh no it’s the feared infinite range Japanese torpedo boats
0:45 clearly Kamchatka was not consulted in this research.
They’re aren’t torpedo boats… they’re weaponised fishing boats
It says a lot about Russian crews when much larger ships such as cruisers surrender to mere torpedo boats...
I want to see the outtakes reel of mispronouncations for this one.
Have you done a review of L. Ron Hubbard's Naval service?
The Curse of the East Baltic Fleet ?
The first picture was clearly the great great grand father of the last Japanese fast speed train shikansen series 700 🤣
Drach: "The Imperial Japanese Navy was evaluating the performance of their torpedo boat fleet. They'd had some success..."
Me: You mean "They'd had some success without even leaving port."
Kamchatka: 😱 DO YOU SEE TORPEDO BOATS??
Phosphorescent Foam. Good one.
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67th, 30 November 2024
thanks Drach
You have often said the 5/38 was the better weapon for the US in the Pacific war due to it's faster traverse and higher rate of fire compared to the older 5/51.
While the faster traverse is obvious due to the 5/38 being smaller and much lighter, i don't understand why the rate of fire would be that much higher/
Both being 5inch weapons, surely the shell and propellant charge would be similar enough that if shouldn't make that much difference. Am I missing something?
Mindless guesses ...
* Possibly the 5"/51 had to return to level for loading
* Possibly other normal technological improvements in the 5"/38
* Possibly the 5"/38 used a smaller case to go with the shorter barrel
Autolike systems engaged...
Actual Japanese torpedo boats.
Kamchatka no where to be seen.
The real question is - Did Kamchatka actually lose?
Years will pass, maybe even just days, and you have already forgotten the names of the victorious Japanese torpedo boats. But you will always remember the name Kamchatka.
Shi no no is a great DD on world of warships blitz
I fear this video might get torpedoed.
Even though it's spelled "Tsing Tao" in English, it's pronounced "Ching Dao".
:)
Another day, another request to review the Red Oak Victory
First!
😂
🏆
2nd!
Just wondering why you use "she" for the Russian ships, when they would have used "he" for them?
In English, she is standard for ships.
He wasn't speaking Russian. Quick quiz: how do YOU pronounce the capitol of Russia? Or of France and Italy, for that matter? Words change across languages.
I think I will go with the class that entered service first
OK, no more jokes about The Kamchatka……….. oh go on then
Торпедные катера!!
interstingly in one of those pics it looked like the ship had a bulbous bow? - is that a possible video to discuss naval bows?
Some ships of that era had bows like that for ramming, some had it for aesthetics, and I don't know if any did have it for hydrodynamics.
Is it my eyes or were there a few AI "enhanced" pictures in this video?
It's OK, they were enhanced by AI of the same era. 😂
The three starting at 5:02 look to me to have hints of modern AI up scaling vs 1900s hand drawn lines. But I may be wrong.
Congratulations on your dogged attempt to pronounce all of those different Russian and Japanese names one right after the other. It must have your tongue tied in knots.
Quit trying to fool the people p.. This didn't happen an hour ago?? More like a century ago.. if not longer.. come on now get updated and real history....