next step will be: you need to pay a monthly fee to rs in order to get the latest updates to ride the bike...no update and the bike is set up in rigid mode untill you unlock the 9,99 $ Full-Sus mode 🤑
I envision breaking something in my first crash and needing a replacement part that takes months to arrive and costs an arm and a leg. If all the gizmos were hidden it would be more interesting.
I had flight attendant version 1 pn my enduro. It is by far the est tech ive had on a bike. Explaining it makes it sound simplistic. You just have to ride it to feel how good it is. I don't think you can buy it after market yet but would definitely put it on my xc bike if i could.
If anything you would think they would be working "AI" into the drivetrain, so it's doing the shifting for you in critical times, which makes more sense. I like they are pushing boundaries and what not, but it's also taking the mountain out of mountain biking with too much electronics.
SRAM's Powertrain ebike system does the shifting for you, though it's yet to be integrated into non assisted bikes. I've not ridden it yet and have heard slightly mixed views, but I'd love to try it on a mountain bike
I wish R&D would go into durability and more reliable parts with less maintenance rather than performance. Like Shimano linkglide has done but with suspension.
@@TomMarvin1 So you mean this bike has 8 batteries to recharge/replace?!? Wheels, shifters, shock, fork, seatpost, & deraileur? I think we are going backwards at this point...
I actually like seeing the flight attendant tech, coupled with the latest transmission and AXS wireless from SRAM - though it does likely mean more service intervals in some cases. I don't see how its revolutionary geometry however. It seems like its now the same geo can be applied across the board from XC to Enduro with only the suspension travel and tune being the differentiator. IMO the Stumpy 2020 carbon bike with the flex stays was revolutionary for a trail bike, and I can't see the place for the 'new' Epic EVO, if Spec'd with the same parts as an equivalent stumpjumper. I actually think the flight attendant applicability is probably best at this stage for XC/Trail, I am excited to see what a few gens of evolution of the motion sensors, accelerometers, next gen kinematic, dampeners and the speed of processing can do for an Enduro/DH application.
I think it will almost inevitably trickle down. With AXS Transmission, it started at the very top end and eventually trickled down to GX AXS which is affordable and good. This Flight Attendant will never make it to the entry level bikes but I imagine in 1-3 years we will see options at the mid tier price point and above.
This might be the solution for my drop bar full suspension xc idea. ...but considering the price, using friction shifter (wing shifter?) as remote lockout lever seems like better choice to me.
It´s a simple algorithm, not local inference compute so don´t use AI as a buzzword. Eventually we will probably have vision based inference looking at the trail ahead to change suspension but that day isn´t here yet.
It did, but in a mechanical way, with much less user adjustment. It worked well, but definitely didn't feel as smooth on the trail, and only offered two positions, not three.
Sounds like an override feature would iron out all the singular issue. To explain a bit further, the ability for the rider to choose a suspension setting, without the computer's input.
It may be telling that specialized hasnt done its normal ' and according to our testing the new suspension system can shave 2.3 seconds off a 20km XC course conpared to the old model' ...
Whoops I forgot to charge the batteries for my suspension, whoops I forgot to charge the batteries for my dropper post, whoops I forgot to charge the batteries for my derailleur.
Hi, any chance you could tell me how did size large feel? It is a little bit longer than last generation. I am 5'10 and in-between M and L, could you tell me how tall are you? Many thanks
Hi, great review, do you know if you could have fork always in open position and only shock to be controlled by FA? Or what if I just installed FA shock and crank sensor, no FA fork, would it work in that configuration? Thank you
I believe the XX SL power meter crank is 34t only at the moment (I could be wrong) - I'll try to find out whether the system will work with pedal power meters though, as this might solve the issue
I think Flight Attendant is a fantastic innovation.As a mechanical engineer along with an avid F1 and Moto GP fan,the next iteration of Flight Attendant should include GPS location tracking.As it currently stands the system is reactive and thus a step behind,the next logical step is to be proactive or active similar to active suspension systems in F1 cars in the early 1990's.With the GPS location tracking the system would require one lap to map the terrain of the trail or the race course,and therefore be proactive for each feature along the trail or race course.
Its on bikes at the moment :) I was talk with few guys from Wcup and they using it from last season. Still just testing, but yes it works by GPS small box on bike, nothing more necessary.
That would be incredible. Suspension that knows where you are and what the trail is going to do, and then adjust accordingly so that you can just focus on hammering (from an xc rider perspective).
Meine Erfahrungen mit dem Spectral 125 CF LTD sind extrem negativ. Der SRAM Flight attendant funktioniert seit Auslieferung nicht. Die Federgabel wird nicht gesteuert. Auch nach 8 Wochen ist keine Aussicht auf Behebung des Schadens.
In the late 90's I was buying a pair of new K2 merlin skis with the integrated piezoelectric damper tech the salesman was like "we're there we have thinking robots inside our sport gears what a time we live in blablabla" Well it wasn't it back then and AI is still bullshitty marketing nonsense, 20 yrs later humans are still as dumb 😂
If it is using algorithms, it isn't in any way AI, that is machine learning. And if it is using AI, well, unless that tiny little box is the cupboard from Alice in Wonderland, it isn't big enough to contain the computing power required to run AI models. If we're talking about XC racing, nothing will beat a 9kg hardtail with a normal fork without any lockout features. Less hassle, less to worry about, more speed.
20 years ago the term AI included dozens of software approaches of which neural networks was just one. algorithms is a category which includes neural networks, then, now. and forever
Not needed for the average rider. IF you are a pro looking to gain time then it looks like it is a MUST. Like most high end products, the average user would not benefit that much.
I'm giving it a shot. I have a Scott Genius with 3 position Twinloc and I'm working that lever constantly, along with the dropper lever. To me it's worth it to avoid fiddling with levers, not to mention all the cable routing
@@JackMott Are you late for your wedding? Why do you need to shave off 1 minute? Will you win a prize if you get KOM in your neighborhood? Go ahead and spend your money. I'm entitled to my opinion as you are.
Yes I get prizes from my LBS if I steal KOM's but to be fair I agree with you, there's other things which can be optimized before dropping money on this technology@@1961Minicooper
If it's in the rules, why not? Racing is won on tight margins. I'd expect nearly every WC racer on RS to be running this next year. Electronics have been in suspension for years - fox, magura, lefty - this is just a more advanced version really
I'm sure they're great but they look ugly and RockShox really need to integrate them into design of the bodies of the shocks rather than having them stick out like battery-powered sore thumbs...
Gotta love how you make "algorithm" equal to "AI". That little chip on the bike does not have the computational power neither the power from the battery to run more than a small "everyday" program. Hah.... Is PoWeReD bY AI.... First do your homework, then make the video.
Too far and too expensive. We are getting to a point that regular bikers don´t need nothing of this neither to spend 10K in a MTBike .... simple is better , better fun, better everything
This bike really is designed for WC racers - it'll be available to those who want it, but it has been developed with top flight racing in mind. Very few bikes cost this much or have this tech in reality and there are loads of bikes out there which are far cheaper and more simple 🙂
You could run inference on a small, prelearned model on a small SoC, but then again you probably don't even need AI for that. We wen't to the moon and beyond with basic math.
Another way to get bicycle more expensive for nothing...be able to open and close the hydraulics of the suspensions for thousands times per hour is a secure trouble!...and is equal to let it open!
Interesting how they came out with this considering their original flight attendant isn’t on anybody’s bikes anywhere. Now stick to drivetrain wireless especially because that’s what you do best. Stop making crappy breaks. Stop making stupid things for suspension that cannot change your suspension and predict what’s coming on the trail it only changes it as you pull over something which does nothing because you barely roll over anything for any amount of time at all cause you’re flying down the trail.exactly why live liar from Shimano has never caught on either. They both aren’t solving any issues at all.
What do you think about RockShox Flight Attendant? 🤔👇
More landfill tech.
Can you only use a fork FA with the powermeter and derailleur? On the elic cause rear shock is brain?
next step will be: you need to pay a monthly fee to rs in order to get the latest updates to ride the bike...no update and the bike is set up in rigid mode untill you unlock the 9,99 $ Full-Sus mode 🤑
I envision breaking something in my first crash and needing a replacement part that takes months to arrive and costs an arm and a leg. If all the gizmos were hidden it would be more interesting.
I love how everything that involves programming has the AI bullshit buzzword attached to it
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Exactly. Their BS logic means that the calculator that came out in the 1970s is AI.
I had flight attendant version 1 pn my enduro. It is by far the est tech ive had on a bike. Explaining it makes it sound simplistic. You just have to ride it to feel how good it is.
I don't think you can buy it after market yet but would definitely put it on my xc bike if i could.
It’s using similar tech as adaptive air suspension in cars. It’s not AI. But I love the video.
@9:43 RIP my shoulder
If anything you would think they would be working "AI" into the drivetrain, so it's doing the shifting for you in critical times, which makes more sense. I like they are pushing boundaries and what not, but it's also taking the mountain out of mountain biking with too much electronics.
SRAM's Powertrain ebike system does the shifting for you, though it's yet to be integrated into non assisted bikes. I've not ridden it yet and have heard slightly mixed views, but I'd love to try it on a mountain bike
I wish R&D would go into durability and more reliable parts with less maintenance rather than performance. Like Shimano linkglide has done but with suspension.
So many batteries hang on this bike like a Christmas tree! 😂 Next gadget on the list: computer controlled tire pressure, ABS brake control, etc...
This bike also has tyrewiz, but I didn't talk about that 😂 2 more batteries!
@@TomMarvin1 So you mean this bike has 8 batteries to recharge/replace?!? Wheels, shifters, shock, fork, seatpost, & deraileur? I think we are going backwards at this point...
@@keithefland6010 9 I think! 2x shifter, 2x wheel, 2x suspension, 1x derailleur, 1x seatpost, 1x powermeter 😅
@@TomMarvin1 9 batt plus 1 pedal sensor = 10
I actually like seeing the flight attendant tech, coupled with the latest transmission and AXS wireless from SRAM - though it does likely mean more service intervals in some cases.
I don't see how its revolutionary geometry however. It seems like its now the same geo can be applied across the board from XC to Enduro with only the suspension travel and tune being the differentiator.
IMO the Stumpy 2020 carbon bike with the flex stays was revolutionary for a trail bike, and I can't see the place for the 'new' Epic EVO, if Spec'd with the same parts as an equivalent stumpjumper.
I actually think the flight attendant applicability is probably best at this stage for XC/Trail, I am excited to see what a few gens of evolution of the motion sensors, accelerometers, next gen kinematic, dampeners and the speed of processing can do for an Enduro/DH application.
it makes yer wallet lighter which means FASTER BIKE SPEEDS
I think that checks out 😅
Wow, an algorithm. Where'd they find that magic tech? Gotta love 2024 buzzword marketing.
I think it will almost inevitably trickle down. With AXS Transmission, it started at the very top end and eventually trickled down to GX AXS which is affordable and good. This Flight Attendant will never make it to the entry level bikes but I imagine in 1-3 years we will see options at the mid tier price point and above.
This might be the solution for my drop bar full suspension xc idea. ...but considering the price, using friction shifter (wing shifter?) as remote lockout lever seems like better choice to me.
It´s a simple algorithm, not local inference compute so don´t use AI as a buzzword. Eventually we will probably have vision based inference looking at the trail ahead to change suspension but that day isn´t here yet.
Day? More like century.
When I first got into riding and heard about the Brain on the Specialized Epic, I thought it did what this does.
It did, but in a mechanical way, with much less user adjustment. It worked well, but definitely didn't feel as smooth on the trail, and only offered two positions, not three.
Sounds like an override feature would iron out all the singular issue. To explain a bit further, the ability for the rider to choose a suspension setting, without the computer's input.
Yep, there is an override feature if you're running an axs pod on the left of your bar. You're correct that this could overcome some of the issues 👌
0:06 "It uses algorithms" - which is definitely not AI
stupid clickbait title!
buzzwords simply must be used. must!
A friend told me that it was pretty noisy... you hear the motor constantly on climbs and it's distracting. Can anyone confirm?
Fox have something similar for couple years
It may be telling that specialized hasnt done its normal ' and according to our testing the new suspension system can shave 2.3 seconds off a 20km XC course conpared to the old model' ...
You gotta love sram not having any Scott bikes on their retro_fit list… 😂😂😂😂
they called you to ride before, you got dressed and went for a ride, a new reality, are you going for a ride? no, I need to charge the fork)
Whoops I forgot to charge the batteries for my suspension, whoops I forgot to charge the batteries for my dropper post, whoops I forgot to charge the batteries for my derailleur.
@@benjy288 yes yes))) crazy world
It's not for everyone, sure 🙂
AI, ML, algorithms? Is there even a difference? Do you want your bike sentient?
Hi, any chance you could tell me how did size large feel? It is a little bit longer than last generation. I am 5'10 and in-between M and L, could you tell me how tall are you? Many thanks
Awesome bike
Hi, great review, do you know if you could have fork always in open position and only shock to be controlled by FA? Or what if I just installed FA shock and crank sensor, no FA fork, would it work in that configuration? Thank you
Yeah you should be able to set it up with the fork always open. However I believe you do need fork, shock and crank sensors for the system to work.
I use 160mm cranks. Nothing is available in this length which will house the pedal sensor. Also appears the chainring can’t be less than 32T. Correct?
I believe the XX SL power meter crank is 34t only at the moment (I could be wrong) - I'll try to find out whether the system will work with pedal power meters though, as this might solve the issue
I think Flight Attendant is a fantastic innovation.As a mechanical engineer along with an avid F1 and Moto GP fan,the next iteration of Flight Attendant should include GPS location tracking.As it currently stands the system is reactive and thus a step behind,the next logical step is to be proactive or active similar to active suspension systems in F1 cars in the early 1990's.With the GPS location tracking the system would require one lap to map the terrain of the trail or the race course,and therefore be proactive for each feature along the trail or race course.
Its on bikes at the moment :) I was talk with few guys from Wcup and they using it from last season. Still just testing, but yes it works by GPS small box on bike, nothing more necessary.
That would be incredible. Suspension that knows where you are and what the trail is going to do, and then adjust accordingly so that you can just focus on hammering (from an xc rider perspective).
For me there isn't even a need for a look out at my fork because it wasn't serviced for bout 2years so friction does the job😅
Meine Erfahrungen mit dem Spectral 125 CF LTD sind extrem negativ. Der SRAM Flight attendant funktioniert seit Auslieferung nicht. Die Federgabel wird nicht gesteuert. Auch nach 8 Wochen ist keine Aussicht auf Behebung des Schadens.
In the late 90's I was buying a pair of new K2 merlin skis with the integrated piezoelectric damper tech the salesman was like "we're there we have thinking robots inside our sport gears what a time we live in blablabla"
Well it wasn't it back then and AI is still bullshitty marketing nonsense, 20 yrs later humans are still as dumb 😂
Can you use only the fligh attendant fork? Does it work like that? And put suspension box for the rear, saw it on Loanna LeComte bikes Canyon HT
I think you can buy in not 100% sure - I'll try to find out 👌
As far as I read not. You need to full system, and a FS.
ok FOR GODS SAKE THAT IS A LOW PERFORMING PROCESSOR CALCULATING THAT WITH A NORMAL ALGORITHM
If it is using algorithms, it isn't in any way AI, that is machine learning. And if it is using AI, well, unless that tiny little box is the cupboard from Alice in Wonderland, it isn't big enough to contain the computing power required to run AI models.
If we're talking about XC racing, nothing will beat a 9kg hardtail with a normal fork without any lockout features. Less hassle, less to worry about, more speed.
20 years ago the term AI included dozens of software approaches of which neural networks was just one. algorithms is a category which includes neural networks, then, now. and forever
How much batteries are on that bike? :o you just need one battery to be empty to ruin your ride. Ill continue to rock my battery less MTBs
Not needed for the average rider. IF you are a pro looking to gain time then it looks like it is a MUST. Like most high end products, the average user would not benefit that much.
But will be awesome to have it on your bike to feel what they are talking about
so if I am not a pro looking to gain time I should just not?
I'm giving it a shot. I have a Scott Genius with 3 position Twinloc and I'm working that lever constantly, along with the dropper lever. To me it's worth it to avoid fiddling with levers, not to mention all the cable routing
@@JackMott Are you late for your wedding? Why do you need to shave off 1 minute? Will you win a prize if you get KOM in your neighborhood? Go ahead and spend your money. I'm entitled to my opinion as you are.
Yes I get prizes from my LBS if I steal KOM's but to be fair I agree with you, there's other things which can be optimized before dropping money on this technology@@1961Minicooper
1.8% faster for x5 the price. lol
Bicycles used to be simple. This is ridiculous.
More landfill tech.
flight attendant doesn't make u fly
I don't think it is AI; it's more like ML (machine learning), Maybe you want to correct that?
Not a fan of "automatic " most things...
They're just going to call everything ai now, I see. Gotta get on that bandwagon
Bro racing against himself on a 15k bike…
In racing, isn't this a bit like e-bikes? Or steroids? Buying into an unnecessary level of assistance to gain advantage in a playing field?
If it's in the rules, why not? Racing is won on tight margins. I'd expect nearly every WC racer on RS to be running this next year. Electronics have been in suspension for years - fox, magura, lefty - this is just a more advanced version really
I'm sure they're great but they look ugly and RockShox really need to integrate them into design of the bodies of the shocks rather than having them stick out like battery-powered sore thumbs...
Gotta love how you make "algorithm" equal to "AI". That little chip on the bike does not have the computational power neither the power from the battery to run more than a small "everyday" program. Hah.... Is PoWeReD bY AI.... First do your homework, then make the video.
No thanks, I don't want batteries on my bike.
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Too far and too expensive. We are getting to a point that regular bikers don´t need nothing of this neither to spend 10K in a MTBike .... simple is better , better fun, better everything
This bike really is designed for WC racers - it'll be available to those who want it, but it has been developed with top flight racing in mind. Very few bikes cost this much or have this tech in reality and there are loads of bikes out there which are far cheaper and more simple 🙂
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Here we go again, bullshit bingo round 1287. Pretty sure there is no processor on that fork capable of machine learning...
You could run inference on a small, prelearned model on a small SoC, but then again you probably don't even need AI for that. We wen't to the moon and beyond with basic math.
Can't juice but they accept robo suspension 😂
Another way to get bicycle more expensive for nothing...be able to open and close the hydraulics of the suspensions for thousands times per hour is a secure trouble!...and is equal to let it open!
Pretty soon we are just going to sit on the bike wile it goes down the trail on its own like a rollorcoaster
Interesting how they came out with this considering their original flight attendant isn’t on anybody’s bikes anywhere. Now stick to drivetrain wireless especially because that’s what you do best. Stop making crappy breaks. Stop making stupid things for suspension that cannot change your suspension and predict what’s coming on the trail it only changes it as you pull over something which does nothing because you barely roll over anything for any amount of time at all cause you’re flying down the trail.exactly why live liar from Shimano has never caught on either. They both aren’t solving any issues at all.
Resistance is...futile...