The Fantastic Four #1 - Atop the Fourth Wall
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- Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara takes a look at the origins of the Fantastic Four!
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Originally uploaded November 14th, 2011.
ORIGINAL INFO: Secret Origins Month continues with the Fantastic Four! Marvel at how they use their powers to cause as much damage to people and property around them!
RUMINATIONS: So if I was so overwhelmed from the Entity finale, why exactly did I start up a new storyline RIGHT afterwards? Two reasons, one less important, one moreso.
The first, less important reason, is that any time you have something that might attract newcomers to the show with the topic, stuff like, say, Batman or Transformers or, in this case, Pokemon, something that gets the attention of people who wouldn’t normally watch the show, you want to give them incentive to come back. If they liked the review and storyline stuff already, why not give them a bit more? It’s the same as the momentum gained by the Mechakara finale from a few years back - keep that energy going and keep bringing people back. You’d think this would be a bigger reason, but of course there’s no guarantee people will actually give a crap about the storyline stuff.
The second and more important reason is that I hadn’t ended a storyline before February before. Sure, there were only the two, but it had established a pattern. And I still wanted SOMETHING to have for a double feature when the time came, thus I needed to come up with something. “His Blue Soul” was the result, at first supposedly hinting at Mechakara’s return, but referring more to Pollo in reality. I couldn’t stretch the storyline too long, since there wasn’t much to it, but it would be enough to fill in the intervening months between Halloween and the proper storyline finale. And once I knew what the storyline would be about, certain pieces NEEDED to fall into place - stuff like the new Pollo body going up to Comicron One, the stuff that happened in the Star Trek II reviews… it all made sense in that regard, taxing as it may have been on me.
The explanation for Mechakara’s supposed return here, while it turns out to be false in regards to THIS instance… was actually also a DIFFERENT subtle hinting. To Boldly Flee was in the advance stages of planning at this point and it had been decided Mechakara would be in it, so I needed SOME explanation of how he had come back to life after the Power Rangers Zeo #1. As such, I decided on the fakeout of the main storyline, but that indeed Linkara’s speculation about the magic coin granting him new abilities would be true. In this case, he had survived the battle (minus one hand) and had instead gone off and followed the Critics during the events of Suburban Knights, claiming Malachite’s Hand in the end and leading us to To Boldly Flee.
Wait, Reed threw the nuke into the ocean? No wonder why Namor ended up having run-ins with the Fantastic Four. lol.
Wow, issues 4 & 6 make a lot more sense now
....that acually makes a shoking amount of sense and honestly? They should have made that be why Namor showed up.
I'd imagine it's hard for publicity stunts to be a thing when aliens invade every five minutes.
"Look! Words in the sky!"
"Big deal. The statue of Liberty got turned into a gaint robot and its punching Fin Fam Foom."
"Again? Didn't the ghostbusters use that statue last week to help them stop a demon taking over?"
Kinda messed up how Reed's like "I'll be Mr. Fantastic" and poor Ben's like "Screw it, I'm just gonna be the Thing from now on". And nobody was like "Ben? You okay, buddy?"
"Enjoy your radioactive fish" knowing comic books it'll probably create super heroes or villains.
+Alex Lee More likely it'll just piss off Namor...oh, wait, he's always pissed off. Never mind.
Radioactive Lake changes woman's scale!
It would have been awesome if Marvel had done a Rampage tie in back then.
Alex Lee I immediately thought of Blinky from the Simpsons.
Alex Lee oh so this is why the Submariner hates Mister Fantastic so much- you don't just throw your trash away in someone else's house! How rude!
As far as Steve Ditko's protester image is concerned, I can say without guilt that Stan did the right and most progressive thing. Spidey was meant to be relatable to teen figures, but how could he be if he was busy echoing Daddy Ditko's objectivist views?
Considering how weirdly appealing that antiworker screed Atlas Shrugged is to teens I dunno if that's accurate.
@@alchemicpunk1509 different time period, during the 60's and 70's the civil rights movement and anti establishment movements in general were pretty in vogue for youth audiences. not only does it make sense for spideys image/character to side with the protesters, as he was suppose to be a typical youth of the time, it also makes a business sense honestly as at the time such views would have been more marketable to a juicy new market with cash to spare.
in a way, atlas shruggeds popularity nowadays kinda falls into that as well, youth anti establishment counter culture. the difference being what establishment their protesting (imaginary or not).
also fear appeal in marketing, yada yada yada.
Freez Peter Parker is a photographer so he is probably in a Union
@@alejandrokaplan7243 he's a freelancer, so he almost certainly isn't part of a union.
@@alejandrokaplan7243 Pretty sure if he was JJ would not constantly treat him like crap, as far as I know freelancers dont have a Union
Sue's remark about the "commies" beating America to space to study the cosmic rays actually sounds really interesting. Imagine if there were an alternate timeline story just like Superman Red Son in which the Fantastic Four is a team of Russians... Or even Latverians?
That would be an interesting comic.
Marvel did do a "What If?" Tale a few years ago with the Fantastic Four as Soviets.
Loy Turns I gotta check that out thanks!
TheSMLIFfilms Holly shit.
I'll read that
In the Wildsrorm universe, specifically the Planetary series, there was a team of four people who were funded by the Soviets, secretly beat the U.S. into space, and got super powers out of it; they were the bad guys.
“Reed Richards, professional moron” yup that sounds accurate
Ages of comics
Golden Age start - Action Comics #1
Silver Age start - When the 'Comics Code Authority' was set up (overall)/Showcase #4 (DC)/ The Fantastic Four #1 (Marvel)
Bronze Age start - When the CCA was made ineffective (overall)/ The Amazing Spider-Man #122 (Marvel)/ Green Lantern & Green Arrow #85 (DC)
Modern/Dark Age start - Batman: The Dark Knight Returns / Watchmen
This is important comic for Marvel Comics.
When did the modern age start?
@charlesdunn9222 1985
I think this was apparently Stan Lee's first hit. Rest in peace, Lee.
I wonder what's weirder the fact that the creators of fantastic four met up at a golf course it that the creators if kingdom hearts met in an elevator?
Here some reading recommendations for Fantastic Four comis:
1) Stan Lee and Kirby's run.
2) Jonh Byrne's run.
3) Hickman's run.
Those are the best runs of the FF.
Mattia Garavini What about the Mark Waid run?
It was okay.
secret wars was amazing. Anything Hickman touched was gold
I think its abot tastes. I honestly didnt like the artstyle on the Hickman"s books, while I was very fond of Mark Waid's run.
BTW, Is there any recomended reading for Doctor Strange?
Julio Montoya, yeah it is all about personal preference. Like my favorite Fantastic Four run is the blink-and-you’d-miss-it run of Dwayne McDuffie. Chris Claremont’s is also really important to me. I got the issue where Lyja revealed herself in a grab bag yeeears ago and fell in love. It was the first comic I read where I actually wanted to read what came next ^_^
Come to think of it, Moleman from the comics looks like Molman from the Simpsons.
17:06 "What I meant to say was that Monster Isle is actually a peninsula."
"The Valley of Diamonds" Dear lord it's the birthplace of Yellow and Blue Diamond!
Not White or Pink though. They were born in north Dakota:)
Does anyone else think the comic's opening would've been better if the Fantastic Four were summoned by Reed Richards to stop the nuclear missile instead of the nuclear missile being launched against them because of their completely stupid and reckless behavior? It definitely would've excused their complete urgency and disregard for human safety.
In hindsight, that would make more sense! The only question I have would be, "who would launch the nuclear missile in the first place?!"
Yeah but then we'd lose a key aspect of Reed, that being his regret over his mistake that led to the his family being cursed with freaky powers.
"This is quite possibly the worst opening theme song EVER."
I quite like it actually,
It’s so cheesy. I love it!
It's a good song, it's just horribly mismatched for an exciting superhero cartoon. It sounds more like the tune was written for a cartoon about a kids' sports team that was canceled during development and they rewrote the lyrics to make it be about the Fantastic Four because they'd already paid for it.
Fun fact; the Fanastuc Four were created because of a midlife crisis. By 1961, Stan Lee was 40 years old and he’d been writing the kind of Silver Age fluff common in the 50’s. Dumb, braindead comics aimed solely at children and he felt unfulfilled and like he was wasting his talents. He wanted to quiet but had a wife and daughter to support so he sat down and had a heart to heart with his wife Joan. He poured his heart out and her response was basically “fuck it, make a more adult themed book. You already want to quit so that’s the worst you could do.” Thankfully for Lee, he was already chief editor at Marvel so he quickly got it through to the ceo who approved it and released this book as his final Hail Mary. Of course, it exploded.
My school had a collection of silver age Fantastic Four comic books that consisted of issues #21-83 and annuals #2-6. I decided to read the entire collection and I'll admit I actually liked it. I could clearly tell the time period they were written in, but I still enjoyed reading them.
Something I just realized, is the fact Pollo is show as the Human Torch in the title card a reference to H.E.R.B.I.E.?
The Moleman jokes in this never get old!
There are two interrelated reasons I personally count this rather than Namor and the other Golden Age heroes as the start of the Marvel Universe: First is the earth of superhero stories in the fifties, which opened the door for reason 2. That being that this is where Stan Lee’s vision of what a superhero story could be (that “feet of clay” stuff) was given the chance to really take off.
Granted this still ignores Dr. Droom/Druid, but no one really cares about him anyway (still hoping he shows up in a future Dr. Strange movie and doesn’t get shafted like Brother Voodoo did).
i can just imagine dr doom traveled back in time and across universes to threaten the writers in order to make reed richards look useless and a bit of a jackass.
Dr Doom lives for three things
Making everyone in his country love him
Trying to get his mother back from the Devil
And spiting Reed Richards
I am french and I really love how you say french words, especially "Sacrebleu".
Well, we can blame the current events.
- the impatience is based on how we should beat the Russians at space race.
- the stories' elements was kind of original back in the day (No Secret Identity, quarrels, and monster as hero).
- and 1960's sexism.
The new Fantastic Four film makes this 1st issue look like a masterpiece.
+Xehanort10 You are right!
It makes the first Fantastic Four film look slightly more watchable. And I mean the '94 movie, not the '05 movie.
Xehanort10 love the origin, and the Four, especially Ben and Sue. Enjoyed the movie. Suspended disbelief. Got Galactus wrong, fix the four in next film
Enjoyed 90's movie, and TV shows 2005and 3 movie they did that in the comic. Flenstones meet the Thing Thing ring do your thing!
@Bauglir100 In my opinion, it makes it WAY MORE watchable. I love it so much, I LEGITIMATELY nominated it for preservation by the Library of Congress.
Well, now we know why the 2005 Fantastic Four movie showed them seemingly causing as many problems as they solved.
Linkara, did you know that the fantastic four's original powers were different. In the original concept, once sue became invisible, she had to, I kid you not, wear a replica face over her face,the thing was the same, though the script never said anything about him being orange, Johny could only"flame on" for five minutes and then wait another five minutes in order to "flame on" again, and reed could only stretch a limit until he started to feel pain. Yikes, pretty wierd if you ask me. Could you review ultimatum requiem ff or xmen, they don't seem that good and a really bad way to end those series.
I have 2 theories about why the FF are the “start” of Marvel.
1). After the Golden Age, Timely/Atlas/Marvel stopped doing superhero stories, and when the Silver Age hit they were more interested in new characters rather than reviving old ones. Contrast that to DC, where Superman, Batman & Robin, and Wonder Woman never left publication, and most of their big Silver Age heroes were reboots of Golden Age Ones (Flash, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, etc.)
2). The FF were the start of Stan Lee getting to shape the Marvel Universe according to his own vision (with some help from Jack Kirby and a few others), I.e. very “human” and flawed heroes.
Mr. Fantastic: ugly people dont belong above ground.
The thing cries
The best part of the review is at 10:43 and Moleman.
We all have to give stan lee credit. He made them relateable! We can all relate to turning invisible, being set on fire as your power, having everyone hate you because your a pile of orange rocks with super strength, and being the smartest emotionless robot in the universe who can strech like a rubber band! So relateable!!!
Rob Liefeld would love drawing Mr. Fantastic! He could draw the spine however he wanted.
Also like the FF because Marvel's casmic characters started in their series: The Skrulls, Galactus, Silver Surfer, the Kree, Adam Warlock and others.
Cap Mar-Vell92 oh yes
So is Sue now a master of ninjutsu, the art of invisibility? Or are superpowers cheating?
I'm almost 100% sure that Reed Richards is a high functioning autistic. Like that would explain a lot of his mannerisms and the fact that he comes of as ignorant to everything except for the task he's working on. I think it'd be pretty cool if marvel went in that direction.
I think there was a comic where Sue did theorize that Reed might have autism due to his weird ways of dealing with stuff.
@@richardauthement3105 It was later confirmed in the Early 2000s that Reed Richards does actually have Autism.
Good god! The old comics are just completely insane XD could u imagine if that was released today? It would be the comic version of "The Room"
Xarazel Especially in the newest film, since there the Thing apparently lost his genitalia as well.
Toby Marrown The creepy thing is that he still has hints of genitalia.
Meaning his dick is buried under his new skin. That's horrifying
The Vision It must be a pain in the ass trying to go to the bathroom...and in more ways than one.
***** Yep.
Jonathan Szuhai Puns mate, you have them!
Gotta say, love the title card. I love it when Alex draws your other characters. It's like a little inside joke for loyal viewers.
Hey Moleman! Captain Cold called! He wants his visor back!
11:36 I thought of that line when I saw the end of The Dark Knight Rises. "Enjoy your radioactive fish, Gotham City!"
Better radioactive fish than a radioactive city.
Huh...I thought Mr. Incredible fought a mole guy, not Mr. Fantastic...it's almost like Marvel was making a parody of Pixar....
That's a joke. I'm not QUITE that dense.
Sad thing is I have heard that statement said unironically
Well the Incredibles is probably the best Fantastic Four movie we're likely to get any time soon.
Oh, poor Linkara of the year 2011.
If you think that Fantastic Four theme song is bad, wait till you hear the theme song of a little show called Power Rangers Operation Overdrive...
He knows. He did a review of PROO (via HOPR last year) and he talked about how that theme to him is terrible.
Although, I like the 1st FF cartoon theme.
That's why the person said "linkara of 2011".
Still he'd probably managed to catch a few episodes including the theme.
I know these are all 1 year old post, but I must ask.
Am I the only one who likes that FF theme (may be nostalgia XD)?
TheComicMaster1995 i heard a pretty cool acapella version of that theme by Triforcefilms
11:19 Actually, nuclear missiles were being equipped for anti-Russia interception during the late 50s due to the assumption that the Soviets would send more bombers than could be shot down with conventional weapons. For more info, look up the AIR-2 Genie.
Still the best use of gum-powers has Monkey D. Luffy.
Linkara, I should just point out the ANG used to fly both the F-106 and F-102 interceptor jets, and these aircraft often carried the AIM-26 Nuclear Missiles and also AIR-2 Genie Nuclear rockets to shoot down Soviet bombers. In those days, heatseeking missiles were kinda in their infancy, so to ensure that jets charged with the mission of shooting down Soviet bombers would get a hit, these early missiles had nuclear warheads on them. That way, even if the missiles didn't directly hit a bomber, they'd blow them out of the sky. It should also be noted early heatseeking missiles sometimes got fooled by the sun, or the heat from ground! So maybe the nuclear tip wasn't such a hot idea... but it was standard practice back in the day.
Not sure about getting approval for the shutdown, though, that might have still had to go through the President...
20:11 Maybe he's following Neutro, which is how he knows its the center of the Earth.
I'm gonna be honest, this theme song is awesome.
The Marvel method is the reason that Hank Pym hit the Wasp on purpose instead of on accident. Another example of the writer and artist having different interpretations.
As crazy as this origin story was, I like it. Just like with the X-Men, this was the team's pilot episode and they would definitely get better with time. Hopefully, the Fantastic Four will get movies that do them justice in the future.
As for the F4's mission? I think, in the original version, it was to land on Earth's moon and win the space race. Heck, there's a story arc currently going on, called "Point of Origin," that retcons the mission into trying to land on an extrasolar planet. Possibly to see if it could be colonized...
23:21 leave no trace behind and not leaving your backdoor entrance wide open for enemies to get in.
Literally paused a watching the 90s cartoon on Disney + just to come back to this episode. Classic
Look a man on fire flying through the sky! N U K E I T ! ! !
"Drunkin idior getting on the ship."
Linkara knows the fantastic four future confirmed!
I believe it is the time for clobbering.
Dang, I always loved that Fantastic 4 theme song.
Impacts can cause retina damage, one of mine was almost detached (which would cause blindness) by the impact of a plastic bottle with a small amount of water in it being thrown at me.
Who else is watching this after Stan's passing to watch the storyline episodes?
3:06 I can't believe ten years already passed, it's 60 now, crazy how time flies
15:23, not to mention the fact that Wolverine was born in the late 19th century, and Apocalypse was around during Ancient Egypt, easily predating Captain America.
Captain America, Namor, Jim Hammond first appeared in the 1930s..way before any x men character
14:55 Warren Ellis thinks to himself, "Hmm..."
Anyone else want a Fantastic Four cartoon with Hans Moleman thanks to this?
three words appear and a legend is born!
"eet mor chikin!"
+David Spring It must be an alien invasion!
@@Logan912
Didn't Mr Fantastic turn some Skrulls Invaders into cows? My god... Chick Filla is run by the Skrulls! 😆
Thank you for being one of the few people who remembers Godzilla is genderless. :-)
Not according to Matthew Broderick ;)
So Godzilla's like MEWTWO?!
@@JaelinBezel Well, he can't fly and he's not psychic, so no.
@@mitchfletcher2386 Oh. So Groudon then.
@@JaelinBezel Alright, sure.
Johnny Storm is actually the second character to hold the mantle of the Human Torch. The first Human Torch actually became the Vision.
Not exactly. A _duplicate_ of the original Human Torch became the Vision. The _original_ died.
Love that you put the old Cartoon into at the end. I grew up with it and honestly love that song
Funnily enough, Godzilla, GI Joe and the Transformers did exist in the Marvel Universe.
The Moleman dates back to the first FF comic? Huh, never knew.
Oh, so this IS Linkara's official channel. Amazing. Can anyone tell me if there is some playlist that goes in chronological order? Or just a video with compilation of his plot segments?
Other people have put together plot compilation videos on youtube if you'd like to search for them (usually going by storyline, which you can also find in written form here: at4wplotguide.tumblr.com), otherwise there is a playlist of all AT4W episodes in order on the channel... although it's a bit behind since I've been kind of busy and haven't had a chance to add stuff to it for a while. ^^;
Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall Thank you. You're nice.
Lol at the Moleman clips.
RIP Fantastic Four 1961-2015
snakes3425 never forgot, the best marvel comic series, all good things must come to an end
good riddance
havoc22 why? do you mean the movie
Elijah blechman
MARVEL Cancelled the Comic before the Movie came out
snakes3425 i know that, and i love the comic
You picked the perfect Song 👌🏾👏🏾
The citizens went from 0 to 100 real quick xD
3:07 And what even better way of celebrating it than to create a movie that represents the OPPOSITE of what Fantastic Four is meant to be about(!) Seriously, Fox, just give the rights back to Marvel already. You've continuously proven how much you understand these characters, i.e. sod all.
And I'm saying this even though I'm not a huge FF fan!
Wish granted, with interest. Disney's acquiring 20th Century Fox. Now we can finally get some _real_ FF and X-Men movies.
Remember when Fantastic meant “outlandish”? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
You know, at least with the 2005 FF; they had a good reason to go into space, without stealing a shuttle.
Yep. That's why I love the 2005 movie since it tries to recon this origin to make it make more sense
In was just announced by Kevin Feige that the upcoming Fantastic Four reboot will be set in an alternate 1960s. I kind of have mixed feelings about that. I mean I know we’re in the Multiverse Saga but I just always imagined they were native to the Sacred Timeline. I’m guessing maybe they are going to relocate but well I can’t see into the future.
So even before Reed got replaced by a Vulcan, the Fantastic 4 had a jackass streak to them.
Yeah they were meant to be flawed individuals in an age where most other heros in both Marvel and DC were self inserts which is the main reason they were so popular for so long. They were the first Heros who felt like actual people with real emotions as opposed to the cookie cutter adventures of Captain America, Wonder Woman, Flash, Batman, and Superman. This led to the creation of many more flawed individuals in Marvels lineup most notably Spiderman.
The problem is nowadays writers oftentimes forget that we are still supposed to like them (especially Reed) and they let their flaws overshadow everything else about them. This has been a problem Marvel as a whole has had for a very long time.
Was "French Africa" a snark? Because there's a number of nations in Africa where French is spoken, in some even the dominant language.
Also, given the fact that European nations still had colonial empires in Africa past WWII, "French Africa" is a shorthand way of saying "French Colonies in Africa."
LetterRobo If you recall from past videos, geography is not Linkara's strong suit.
I believe it refers to African land that was under control of French colonies.
*As I see the Title Card for the Comic.*
90's Kid (As the Thing.): "DUUUUUUUUDE, It's clobberin time!"
Oh Linkara, those dr. cox "but's" we have all been touched by his brilliance ;)
19:23 Who hunted down Moleman and put his head on the wall as a trophy?
last I checked the core of the earth was actually a huge ball of metal. of course, thats just the inner core. the outter core? yeah, thats basically hot lava and you'd die if you got near it.
RIP Stan Lee
Wait, wasn't this comic released a couple of years BEFORE the first appearance of Ghidrah/King Ghidorah, and more than half a decade before Monster Island's first appearance?
Mark Kreutzer Togo stole Marvel's idea.
+Romeo Javier, you mean Toho?
I don't care what anyone says. I love the FF.
Good Stan Lee voice.
I just realised... How the heck did The Thing fit in the manhole?!
Hm... I wonder if Stan Lee ever watched these videos?
Probably not, but it’d be interesting to see if any comic creators watch these (without fans pestering and/or demanding).
Oh Lord. This was 5 years ago.
I feel old and unaccomplished in life.
Too bad the Fantastic 4 is getting a sub-par cancelation to boycott a terrible Fox movie. Suggestion for next secret origins: Ultimate Fantastic 4, see how an ok origin story quickly snowballs into a horrible series filled with continuity errors, horrible artistry, and canceled 3 times. Yet Fox thinks this is a great comic to base the reboot on.
Hey, the cancellation made people suddenly care about the Fantastic Four, so there's a positive. Doubt the sudden fans would buy a new Fantastic Four book, though.
Disney has them back, though, so expect the comics to make a comeback.
Why did the fantastic four need to use their powers to meet mr. Fantastic if they didnt they would be there probobly be there quicker and no damage would be caused.
Linkara, i'm gonna have to stop you there. How is the 90's Fantastic Four tv show opening theme awful? It is the most LIT song ever! Pump that song into my veins!
Human torches can't melt steel! Conspiracy
Well considering the first human torch was an android that actually makes sense in an insane nonsensical sort of way.
So, half life 3 confirmed?
The thing just loves to fight man I love that theme lol
Same here. It's very corny and stupid for the FF (the second opening was better for them) but I love it and it's kinda fitting for these guys especially if it's the 60s team!
*16:03* no that's just the iwi from gxk trying to get signal for wifi
Awesome review. I think its funny that the day i decided to start reading the fantastic four comics with the new "marvel now", is the same day linkara re-released his FF origin review
So at 11:05 they’re going into Iron Giant territory.
The fantastic four stole and crashed a spaceship and no negative repercussions.
14:45 Oh one of the greatest Superhero caveats: Flight, because.. reasons.
Man, are you great at host-segments or what? Great writing!
11:40 I assume this is why the Four moved to New York: to avoid the lawsuits.