LEANDER CLASS FRIGATE BRIEF - NO. 30
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2020
- This video mainly focuses on the Royal Navy Leander class Vessels.
The Leander-class, or Type 12I frigates, comprising twenty-six vessels, was among the most numerous and long-lived classes of frigate in the Royal Navy's modern history. The class was built in three batches between 1959 and 1973. It had an unusually high public profile, due to the popular BBC television drama series Warship. The Leander silhouette became synonymous with the Royal Navy through the 1960s until the 1980s.
The Leander design or derivatives of it were built for other navies:
Royal New Zealand Navy as the Leander class
Chilean Navy: Condell class
Royal Australian Navy: River class
Indian Navy: Nilgiri class
Royal Netherlands Navy: Van Speijk class
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The Chilean Navy bought two new Leanders Batch Three, named Almirante Lynch and Almirante Condell. They were built at Yarrow and comissioned in 1973 and 1974, serving until 2007, after several upgrades. They had the original 4.5 twin guns, and four MM 38 missiles in the aft, leaving little space for the flight deck. In the late nineties they were fitted with MM 39 missiles in the center section and Barak point defense missiles in replacement of the Seacats. The flight deck and hangar were enlarged and fitted with the Assist helicopter catching system, to operate a Cougar SH 32 Helicopter. They were sold to Ecuador in 2008 in excellent operational condition. I served as an ensign in 1977, and as Lt. in 1982-83. These ships were incredibly reliable, operator friendly and seaworthy.
I remember the BBC drama ‘Warship’ based on the adventures of HMS Hero, a fictional Leander, and its crew. Still remember the theme tune.
As a Yank, that raised fo'c'sle simply looked goofy, until I understood that it was designed for rough N. Atlantic seas.
Beautiful ships, to my mind they bastardised the lines by fitting the Ikara launcher on the fo'csle.
Some more, Leander trivia from memory.
Babcock & Wilcox 2 drum boilers.
Main engines, 2 English Electric steam turbines producing 32000 shp, combined, driving 2 prop shafts via David Brown reduction gearboxes.
Boiler fuel pumps were old double acting steam reciprocating pumps.
Late 70’s A&A 633 carried out on boilers to convert from FFO ( furnace fuel oil) to Diesel to reduce problem of soot build up. Removed need for preheat of fuel oil, too.
Good for 28 knots.
Batch 1 Leander 350kw Allen’s turbo alternators x2
Batch 2, 500kw T/A’s x2.
Batch 3 750kw T/A’sx2.
Fond memories of working on refitting them @ Devonport.
Van Speijk class of Netherlands Navy was still operated by Indonesia Navy :
- KRI (351) Ahmad Yani
- KRI (352) Slamet Riyadi
- KRI (353) Yos Sudarso
- KRI (354) Oswald Siahaan
- KRI (355) Abdul Halim Perdana Kusuma
- KRI (356) Karel Satsuit Tubun
The KRI Oswald Siahaan even had launched Yakhont Missile in 2011
A mate of mine was in the RAN. He described the Seacat as "the best anti-submarine missile he'd ever seen". I look puzzled because I knew Seacat was a SAM. With his hand he just indicated one taking off and falling straight into the sea. He wasn't impressed either. Had lots of good things to say about the RAN DDGs (US Charles F Adams class destroyers).
A good class of ships. I served on 3 of them - Sirius 1966-67, Minerva 1970 - 72 and Bacchante 1975-77 (and straight to civvy street). Some great memories, and some great runs ashore (and a night in a police cell in Capetown)
F69; aka HMS Bagshanty
@@user-lr7mt5nj4u that's the one .
I served on three leander class frigates. Fantastic life in the 70s and great fun up the ice all winter in the cod war
what a blast
The first image... HMS Bacchante, then HMNZS Wellington she was my first ship I served on... best ship in the fleet...
My old man says the same he was on another of the class the HMS Aurora! Best ship he ever served on hamds down he says to this day!
I had the huge privilege of spending 4 days aboard HMNZS Canterbury for the 1991 fleet entrance into Wellington harbour. HMNZS Wellington immediately behind us. I still have the framed photo of that day.
And HMS Dido F104 became HMNZS Southland. Southland and Wellington came into service with RNZN mid to late 80”s, maybe early 90”s i think, correct me if I’m wrong,
@@marklongley5738 HMNZS Wellington was re-commissioned in 1986 after a long refit in NZ after she was purchased in 1982
Served on Sirius and Ajax best ships too serve in the RN. Many good times on Sirius , West Indies 69 71, wilkinson sword of peace for the St Kitts ferry disaster, and on Ajax in refit for Ikara Devonport.
i was a stoker on penelope 90 91 when we handed over to ecuador, fantastic ship ,my first,always remember the med trip.
Thanks for the videos - Love the Carriers and Type 22s
They look well-balanced&reliable. Good weapons platforms seem to have a quality I can sense but can't describe.
Thanks for that, served on HMNZS Waikato. Purchased new from the UK. We have 4 Leanders while I was in.
Great video, first time view of your channel. Can't wait to see the rest of your content.
Welcome aboard!
Served on three of them between 82 & 90, Leander, Juno & Ariadne. Fantastic seagoing ships. Took all weathers in their stride. Dipping the forward fresh water tank in roughers used to be entertaining. Bit of space walk training if I remember rightly.
I served in the RAN we had HMAS YARRA, DERWENT, STUART, PARAMATTA, SWAN & TORRENS. These were Australian built versions of the Type 12, known to us as the River class. Ikara was an effective anti-submarine missile/torpedo combination in the hands over experienced and competent operators. We also had some success with the SeaCat missile system, especially when coupled with the Dutch M44 system. I served in 3 of these ships and I can assure you that they rolled on a wet sponge, (some said, “they even rolled in dry dock”)
I had the rare privilege of seeing the launching and the sinking of the same ship,i watched the Scylla go down the slip in Devonport in 68 and then in 2004 watched her sinking as an artificial reef in Whitsand Bay in South East Cornwall.Nice video btw.
I worked on HMS Ajax in Cammell Lairds as an Apprentice Electrician in the Control Room.
I served on HMS Ariadne and HMS Hermione. The attempted limpet mine attack on HMS Ariadne by Argentine special forces did happen. It was foiled and the soldiers were captured in Spain
Penelope and Phoebe for me. Respect to you, Andy.
great video. thanks
Great vid , however the 20mm you featured is the GAM-B01 Oerlikon, if this was the 60's fit it should be the Mk7
Regards
I was one of the 4.5" Gun maintainers of an Australian Type 12i. Preps before firing involved removing any stand still misalignment when the M22 gun director was pointing at 000.000. We would ship a gun bore camera with a cross hair fitted to the muzzle into one of the barrel's and look through it to see were the cross hair was on a fixed datum on the ships hull and then adjust the electronic modules to get it to within 4 minutes of a degree of misalignment. We worked out if we took out the misalignment and then added the same amount to the other direction. This resulted in the gun achieving 8 out of 10 TTB's (target trigged bursts) during an AA (anti aircraft) firing which was very unsual for a Mk6 4.5" Gun Mount / M22 Director System. The Australian DDG that was also involved even sent a signal to the ship stating "Good Shooting - Bravo Zulu" We were very happy Gunbusters !
I served aboard the Cherry B (Charybdis) in the late eighties and then in the Battleaxe in the early nineties. We were one of the ships that sank the Cherry B as a target ship during that period. A very sad day.
Served on Cherry B 82-85 was on on Active which was part of the group that sank her!
Two videos in three days!
I must say, you really are spoiling us, sir.
its because im back to the scheduled as im not at sea
Used to watch these beautiful ships going up and down the Forth to and from Rosyth.
Nice one. Best looking ship during my time in the navy. Everybody seemed to want a draft to a Leander mainly because of the deployments, but also for the small ship routine. Never got on one myself, big ships then boats. Ex stoker 73 - 84
fair play my friend. small ships do seem easy :) although you do have to work a lot. i want a smaller ship next. carrier life isnt for me
I was first commission Sirius, joined 1966. She was the last frigate built in Portsmouth dockyard, hence the name and motto "Heaven's light our guide" - the same as Portsmouth. A good first commission - South Pacific, Solomon Islands. New Caledonia, Fiji, Tonga for the coronation, Hong Kong -360 days away
I joined the Naiad when she was having a complete refit and having the Ikara fitted, when I went to the docks she was a orange colour and had been stripped down spent the next 18 months refitting her I was an MEM1 really good ship with great crew
Warship in its entirety is here. ruclips.net/video/o0emR6wmFkM/видео.html
A number Leanders played HMS Hero and all of them wore the F42 pennant number of HMS Phoebe who first "acted" as the fictional ship. This actually pissed the Soviet Spy Trawlers off a bit as a HMS Hero, pennant number F42 started popping up all over the place. The only way you can tell which ship it was is by looking at the flight deck letters. The series was very good because Ian Mackintosh, the series creator and script editor was a serving Lieutenant Commander in the Royal Navy who was actually seconded to the BBC to allow the show to be made. He was later given a MBE for his efforts in promoting the Service. He later became a professional TV writer and producer when he left the Navy, but was killed in a plane crash in the late 1970's.
Diomede was pronounced Diomeed by those serving on her and Diomeedee by others. She went into refit at Gib during 1978 and we moved over to the Achilles. My previous ships were Counties and I preferred Leanders. There is a museum in Bluff, NZ that has some Dido/Southland artefacts if anyone is around these parts.
Also affectionately called Dimweed
The Dutch van Speijk class got a MLM(mid life modernisation) in the early eighties decreasing the crew from 250 to 180 hope you make a video on the subject.
My father was a gunner at the 4.5 inch gun aboard the Hr. Ms Tjerk Hiddes (F804)
and then the Van Speijks were transferred to Indonesian service where they got further modifications, such as the replacement of Harpoon missiles for C-802s and Yakhonts
I served on Bachante in 81- 82 ship was sold as soon as we got back from south Atlantic in August.
Joined Achilles in Jan 83 till early in 86. Good ships and some good memories.
i know a Lt who served on board Ariadne. he agrees with yourself they were very good ships. its sad theres none left. might make a nice little museum
@@TheShipYard2 thanks for doing this
I served on her when she became HMNZS Wellington... ;-)
Served on Apollo as an OEA. Obviously the best ship in the RN at that time. 😅
I served on Type 42s but always wondered what it would be like to go to sea on a leander class ship. Would the size difference be noticeable and what would steam boiler propulsion be like. (Side note) I visited the vet last week and got talking to a chap about his black labrador as I also had one. Mid conversation he said he was ex Navy and had named his dog after an ex ship..Phoebe. The strange thing was my dog is also called Phoebe but just because the wife liked that name. If I followed the same line my dog could be called Newcastle, Cardiff or Southampton.😂🙄
42 was like a hotel compared with a leander, I served on Ariadne
@@davidedwards1988 I thought so, now the Type 45s are the hotels.
Sea Cadet in Southampton, had a trip in Phoebe circa ‘68. Good fun, crap breakfast.
Would like some more information, if available, on the explosion that occurred on HMS Hermione, while undergoing pre hand over testing at Linthouse. I believe it was related to the ignition of gases in the double casing to the boilers, caused by failure to remove ‘blanks’ to associated fans.
Was this the reason for its completion at Yarrows.
My father served on HMS Ajax (pronounced A-jax), Leander class frigate during WW2 - I served on HMS Aurora (F10), in the ‘60’s, which was a Leander class vessel. 🤪
Excellent presentation, but please research and rehearse foreign names beforehand. Yes, WARSHIP is a superb series.
Served in two of these, great ships. Arethusa as navigator and Euryalus as PWO(U) and Ops Officer. Seacat was simply as good as it's operator as it was visually guided by the aimer. It did prove remarkable effective in the confines of San Carlos Water during the Falklands conflict in 1982. You are completely wrong about the Ikara system by the way. It was an excellent weapon system, latterly the weakness was in it's inability to carry Stingray ASW torpedoes, having to rely on the older Mk 44 and Mk 46 ASW torpedoes. I really don't understand where this meme seems to have developed that Ikara was ineffective, it most certainly wasn't.
You never mentioned HMS Apollo which was my last ship leaving her and the navy in 1976
HMNZS Wellington was sunk as a diving reef off Island Bay, on the South Coast of Wellington and not in Wellington Harbour.
British colloquial pronunciations of ship names in the RN. Danea= Dane-ee. Scylla= scilla , Dido= die-do, Bacchante=Ba-Kan-Tee, Diamede= Dia-medee, galatea-=G AlA-TeeA, Hermoine= Her-moine-ee,
The 4.5'" guns were removed for the navies north Atlantic convoy escort work as personified in the type 22.
Ikara is a rocket delivery system for an anti submarine homing torpedo like Asroc. It is offensive and mid distnace as apposed to Limbo. Good with a wasp because of its limited capability, unnecessary with a lynx.
The Bofors had a 2% hit rate, and Seacat was a replacement, - short range self defence, and high accuracy was not expected (I was the Seacat maintainer on Bacchante 1975-77).. In fact I was surprised how effective it was during the Falklands
They were effective in the Falklands as most of the ships fitted with them were at anchor and not rolling around which negated the aimer to compensate for the base platform moving around. The Seacat missle only had a limited amount of hydraulic oil available to power the control surfaces which was vent out the back of the missile once it past the hydraulic system from the storage accumulator.
Can I ask what your sources are for your statements on Ikara please!?
Also interested.
Would you do a video of HMS Ark Royal (R09)?
HMS APOLLO was my last ship in my naval career
Does this mean there will be timelapses and tutorials again on the other channel?
no, not anymore, hence i havnt made any more videos :/ sorry mate
Peter shepard, I served on HIS INTREPID 85/90. Big ships routines are better. The P.O. part of your ship could never find you and if asked where Jack tarr was you just pointed down at or up forawrd. There was that many seamen on board both INTREPID and FEARLESS that we never did ( forenoon, first, afternoon, middle, firstdog, morning, lastdog, all night in.). The only ones who did that were the bosons mate and QMs. Most of us did an hour on the bridge as port or starboard lookout but that was it. There was 18 seamans messes on board and because we were part of the Dartmouth training squadron we had all the midshippers to do all the shut jobs. I should have stayed in for my 22, lol.
I served on HMS Achilles F12 and HMS Minerva F45 great ships
I was a bunting tosser on naiad when that pic was taken 1980 on far East deployment and the captain wanted the bridge roof painted white to reflect the sun... I'm not sure it worked!
Why didnt you go into the export?
Was this ship was purchased by Indonesian navy?
Served on Leander and helped to decommission her
Its still look good a little repair alteration and upgrading i think we can use it as good as new and effective it is not the appearance but the function to make a very effective depence force excellent perpormance just a little time its already in the service we need it badly for our depence count on time not always money
The commentator has some strange name pronunciations! Bacchante is "back - anti" NOT "Banshette", Scylla not "Sillier" (I don't know, though!) (but he does apologise - after I wrote this)
hello chaps, i served on Aurora from 1968 and Cleopatra from 1970. By the way they were all named after Roman gods, not Greek, cheers , by the way i'm sure the parafin pigeon was more than 2 mtrs long, just saying
Why would they need the main armament to go to 80 degrees, plunging fire?
Anti aircraft
I thought only American ships were fitted with missles, don’t RN ships get missiles?
You missed out on a weapon system. Jupiter was fitted with 2 lasers one on each side. These were used to blind enemy pilots. They were fitted just before deployment and taken off on return. But your not supposed to know that. (Against the Geneva convention.)🤫
Thank you, i will include these when i come to redo this class of ship
@@TheShipYard2 I used to have a photo of these. Long since lost. These were not official weapons as it was against the Geneva convention. If you have any photos of HMS Jupiter or probably any of the ships involved in the Gulf war. Look for a rectangular grey box about a meter long by about200mm deep and 300mm wide if my memory serves me right. They were fitted about the bridge deck between the bridge and the funnel. They would have been covered most of the time as there was a lot of press onboard throughout the war. I don't know but I suspect that all the coalition ships would have been fitted with these illegal weapons.
HMS Bacchante - (Bakkanty) named after the god Bacchus.
Hang on. Good for 4,000nm @ 15 knots but would need to be be refuelled? Not good for 4,000nm then? Or do you mean would need food and water but not fuel?
Do you know much about ships and ranges?
Interesting class n very successful in building especially in exports until new T26. I never got chance to see Australian version of these frigates but seen HMAS Vampire at Sydney, surprisingly they where not very wide n basic command tower. Unfortunately these destroyers n following class didn’t have availability of hanger or helicopter platform.
I severed on Plymouth(F126) then Naiad (F39) ended up in the RAN, served on Torrens, Derwent and Swan they were called then River class, very similar to Naiads construction and operation, from a stokers perspective.
My man it's pronounced Galatia, daynee, not Dani lol. Great vid though.
"DYE DOE" not "DEE DOE"
HMS Danea not Danny.
Wrong 20mm gun and wrong Sea Cat system director.
18.08 Old Ships.
"Old ships" indeed...........2nd commission HMS AJAX 1965-66............happiest and best ship I ever served in.........at least we had an easily said name . Lol
All your radar data is wrong
First
WHA? That's not Leander. They are light cruisers with 4 twin turrets 6 inch guns
Hey Luntcugs! check your english? Just for starters, it's pronounced HMS Die-do! :-)
And! The Helicopter cruised at 90Kts and had a maximum speed well above 104Kts! in fact closer to 120Kts. That's fact as I flew in them :-)
It really wouldn't be hard to learn how pronounce the names... Greek gods...
Your pronunciation needs a lot to be desired lol. For instance Bacchante is pronounced Ba- can- tea. Diomede is pronounced Dio-meed- dee.
He says H like an Aussie
Rehearsing your script and learning how to pronounce those tricky names would go a long way to making this video much better.
What amazes me is the change in philosophy over time.
A Gearing class DD(L) went about 2200 tons standard. 6x 5"/38cal Rifles and a dozen 40mm M1/M2 autocannon, 10x 21" Torpedo Tubes, plus D.C., Hedgehog/Squid. It was a fairly stable ship, though DDs were often nasty rollers.
Compare that with postwar destroyers like the Forest Sherman of 4000 tons, 4x 5"/54cal rifles, 3x 3"/50 cal (replacing the 40mm), 4x 21" Tubes, plus Hedgehog. Less weaponry, but more sensors, at almost double the displacement.
By the 1970s a new DD was the Farragut class, at 4100 tons, 1 twin arm missile launcher, 1x 5" gun, one ASROC Box, 6x Mk 32 tubes (12.5").
Shortly after came the Spruance class at 8000 tons, 2x 5" gun, Sea Sparrow PDMS Box (AAM Launcher), an ASROC launcher, and (after a while) Harpoons.
Ships designed to the general purpose category roughly quadrupled in displacement, while reducing armament stations, thus also reducing the number of targets the ship could take under fire at any given moment or from a specific vector.
Today, we have the A. Burkes, theoretically able to track and engage dozens of targets simultaneously. But a single hit to, or malfunction of, the VLS would render the ship OOC. A Gearing class could, in practice, engage three targets with main battery weapons, three more (aircraft) from the FlaK Tubs and/or launch a torpedo attack AT THE SAME TIME. Moreover, a Gearing could engage multiple targets independently of the electronic sensors all later ships are absolutely dependent upon. Imagine a computer fault occurring while a Burke has 20 missiles in the air.
WW2 era Frigates (DE types) were usually armed with three 76mm or 100mm or even 5" guns, 3x 21" TT, 4 or 6x 40mm, Hedgehog, Depth Charge rails (and/or Y guns), and several 20mm free swinging rapid fire light cannon. In contrast, my 1970s era DE had a single 5", 4x 12" ASW TT, an ASROC box behind the gun, and a Sea Sparrow PDMS Box on the fantail. We could theoretically engage a target each with gun, Sea Sparrow (air only), or ASROC (ASW only) simultaneously. A WW2 type could engage up to 3 surface or air targets with cannon, three aircraft with 40mm twins, and launch a torpedo attack, all while dumping Depth Charges over the fantail.
In much of civilian tech, miniaturization is the norm. In military tech, however, that norm is electronic, while confounded by an opposing trend in overall vehicle size due to multiplicity, not of redundant systems, but of new, discrete, ones, each requiring space for additional operators and their food and berthing/sanitary arrangements.
Case in punkt: An Essex class and a Nimitz class CVA have roughly the same wartime compliment, though the modern ship displaces twice the tonnage. On the Essex, most of the men working topside were AA Gunners. Those guns are simply no longer there, so-what do all the extra men do on a Nimitz class? Operate electronics.
I had to give up on this video when the narrator started saying "Haitch-em-ess" rather than "Aitch-em--ess". This mispronunciation is so jarring.
Brits...
Even worse when people say 'the' HMS!!!!!!
me too
well the 20mm gun in the video was introduced about 25 year after the leanders were build. basicaly an hoplessly ill informed video
Please get help with ships' names pronunciation before you record your otherwise good videos. Mispronunciation makes it all sound a bit amateur.
He is obviously not a matlot or ex matlot, his full video is word for word directly from wiki. All the images are found across google. At least he figured out the names were from Greek mythology!. All he had to do was look up the names and he would have got the pronunciation. Very poor video, 22 minutes I’ll never get back!