Forge your own HAMMER - Blacksmithing
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- Опубликовано: 3 сен 2017
- Forging a small cross peen hammer from 4140. We will use the punch and drift made an earlier video. This hammer will finish at about 1 1/2 pounds. In part two we will do the grinding, hardening, tempering, dressing and finally hang the head on a hickory handle.
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Advice from a 38 year machinist; if your drill is long enough to go through the stock, back the drill out as many times as necessary to keep the chips clear so they wont bind and break your drill. NEVER try to make holes meet from opposite sides if you can help it. The likelihood of breaking the bit is too high; if the location of the holes is off even a little bit--a hair thickness--as you break through, you will over feed and the drill will grab just as it did here. In many cases a substantial portion of the bit will bind and break off inside the piece, and be next to impossible to drive out.
That being said, I have watched dozens of these videos and find them very informative and entertaining. your skill level is very obvious. Thanks for all you reveal!
maybe metal drilling is different, but when drilling through wood we attack from both sides to keep a straight hole, for similar reasons he instructs us to keep turning the head around when we drive the chisel.
Very good info, and answered questions I have had on issued I've encountered in drilling steel
i agree
I am an amateur blacksmith going on nearly 40 years. I have a close friend who is about equally experienced. We thoroughly enjoy watching one of your videos after supper...and learn quite a bit too.
What you do with the "cold shut" is incredibly simple but not thought about on 1st attempts, i forged a 3kg sledge into a splitting axe head and ran into the cold shut problem. Had know idea how to get around it. After watching this, im face palming right now over something so obvious.
Thanks so much for your knowledge!!💪
This brother's forearms are so meaty he just lays em on the table, respect lol
I love the way you explain the processes and the reasons behind the processes, as opposed to a lot of other channels out there that only show the process itself.
Thank you kindly and keep up the great work.
A little drill press tip when you chuck a drill bit tighten all three jaws they will hold the bit better and when you take the bit out you will find it easier with just one jaw. Tip of the day Len
Watching blade smiths is fantastic but if you want to learn, watching blacksmithing is where the knowledge is to be had for beginners.
Liked, subscribed and I hit the bell icon. You are very quickly becoming one of my favourite smithing channels. Really informative and well made. Please keep up the great work.
Thank you, I appreciate the feed back
Agreed
Wish I’d have watched this before my first hammer... made my punch wrong and didn’t pre drill. That hammer came out pretty special, so special I named it Ed. (Pun intended). Thanks for the good instruction!
Just got roof on new shop, well new to me.
Nice to be able to watch these vids over again. I can hardly wait to build my forge.. right now the tractor has a new bedroom lol thanks for all the Great info😇
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience. God bless, and be safe.
Youre Brilliant John. I often think I was born 100 years too late as I would loved to have lived in the era of true craftsmanship. I did my bit tho
You make it look so easy Sir, that's what experts do. Your such an inspiration to us just starting out. I always said Experts make it look easy.
Excellent!
I got a hold of some old fork truck forks that I want to cut up and make hardy tools and hammers. Thanks for sharing John!!!
Good idea John thank you
Hi John, I real enjoy your videos and find the content useful for the blacksmith.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us .
Great JOB John...... Very informative....
Thanks for the little coal dust tip, I'll try that.
You did a grate job giving us a lot of hints and what to expect.
Very helpful
Much appreciated John- Great tutorial
Thanks
Great demo .
Thanks
Never Seize is as good a punch lubricant as you can get.
Thank you John I know I have healed some better so I watch you good videos
Nice 👍
Your videos are so awesome
Thank you
Whitaker. Excellent last name. Would recommend. My family liked it so much we doubled up on the T.
This is an excellent video, and it’s nice to see how much these have improved over the years.
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Great information. Thank you John.
I enjoy watching your work I'm a beginner at blacksmithing and you sir are a inspiration. I am a stone mason by trade and look forward to making my own hammers and chisels
John, I heard about you from Wood By Wright. I watched your holdfast video and they are BEAUTIFUL! This hammer video made me appreciate your craft more. I want to find the next one, to see how it finishes. Thank you for making these videos!
Great videos I’m trying to get caught up!!!👍
If I may suggest an alternate technique I learned from an old blacksmithing book. After drilling the two beginning holes as you did insert a low carbon steel bar in each one and then drill the center. The bars will keep your center hole from drifting to either side. I think you will appreciate the speed of forming the handle hole this way.
tarnshadowhawk that sound like a very good idea.
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Excellent work. Super instructions. Awesome Thank you for sharing.
You are very welcome
Thanks for sharing I would do anything to spend time in the shop with you but for now I’ll settle for the videos thanks much
Some thick glasses. Love your videos.. they are somewhat relaxing
Awesome Video! You have been SUBSCRIBED, Pal!
Next amateur video to go with the tongs video:
"How to forge a hammer without a hammer" 👀🤔
😂🤣
I really enjoy your videos; you thoroughly explain everything while simultaneously advising of what to watch out for, & I greatly appreciate that. 😁👍
I just forged my first hammer and I think it came out well just a basic soft face hammer. I didn’t drill the holes I just center punched it and I got a straight hole
You could also use the drift to hold the hammer head. Course you already knew that!! Hahaha
I would be proud to own one of your hammers!!!🙏🏻
Love the hammer making videos. I would love to see you make a hammer from wrought iron with forge welded hard faces. Finished with an etch to show the wroughts wood like grain.
That would be a fun project and is certainly in the direction I want to go with the videos. But I want to cover a few more basics before I get into that sort of more advanced project. So stay tuned and we will get there.
I use a hammer eye punch and I don’t drill any holes but I can punch a hammer billet much faster than with a drilled hole. But it’s easier to have a not straight hole so I’d recommend this for beginners
I am considering making my first hammer but making it out of mild steel (CRS) instead of tool steel. That way, if I totally mess it up, I'm not out a lot. Any thoughts or suggestions? Also, assuming the hammer turns out sorta OK, would it be worthwhile to case harden it using a carburizing product such as Casenite or Cherry Red?
Hi John. Love what you do. I have a question I've made a couple of hammers now and I've had to try and sort out a crooked eye. My question is aside from a hour or so with a file how would one sort that out... other than to not punch a crooked eye
I like how he used a cross peen hammer to make a cross peen hammer
P.s good vid man very informative
Glad you liked it!
This cat knows what is what... If you want to learn the craft, watch his vids
Could I make a hammer out of rebar? Maybe weld pieces together them work it into shape?
Excellent video! I noticed that your tongs had Ball-ends on the reigns. How is that forged?
What drill bit do you have in that press? The chips were amazing and the speed through 4140... I feel like it would have taken me three times as long to drill those holes.
Not a clue, I tend to buy the coated but don't know what brand they are.
Great video John. Thanks for your time and effort.
What weight is the Cross Peen you are using? (Not forging, using.)
I t5hink in this video it was a three pound
Great video !!!! basic enough for the regular Joe to understand. I've also seen Smith's form cheeks at the handle hole. is that something you care to shed some light on ???? again Thank you for your time to demonstrate Blacksmithing.
Thanks, the cheeks, in theory, add more surface area for a better hold on the handle. which is probably true, but the main reason people do it is for the look and I do like them. But they add more work and I wanted to keep this hammer more simple. Perhaps I will address that in the final video on other approaches.
Subbed and liked, Thanks I'm really Learning a lot from your channel . I've been interested in Blacksmithing for years , but it's taken me 20 years to find and afford my first anvil :) which I found at the local country markets last weekend . :)
So I'm a beginner , and your a Good Teacher :) .
I look forward to seeing more of your instruction videos .
I don't have a fancy forge yet , so I'm starting with a hairdryer and a few bricks and some bbq coals :) , any advice on old school bellows and coals methods would be great ! :)
Thanks from Australia !
I have never made a set of bellows. There are plans out there on the internet that I have seen though.
Very good John I am going to try to do my small ball peen tomorrow thank you I will send a picture on fb page to share it.
What about wide tapered slotting on end of punch for a scalloped edge would the narrower buts cause less resistance and aide in speed and less fatigue and clean up with the drift or would it just be more contact surface and make it harder
I am not likely to get a power hammer due to a lack of space. Also I don’t intend on making large hammers, just maybe top tools or small hammers. So showing how it is done the old fashioned way is best for me. Be going to the CBA conference soon in Petaluma. I will hang out with the beginners. Hope to try my hand at punching and maybe drifting.
If uneven head weight when placing the handle is important (and I agree)...what good is a dog head hammer???
HI John
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That is vermiculite. It insulates the material so it cools very slowly. Wood ash work almost as well.
I have a question. I'm not a blacksmith; but I like making knives and tomahawks. I found a cross pean hammer at a yard sell, it has a tapered hole on the cross pean end. Just wondering what that was for.
Great content thanks. How come those dykem bottles always leak like that?? Had one get sideways in my tool cabinet and made a big freaking mess ......Ha
Thanks. The dye on this bottle is just the drops from the brush in use, I try not to let it tip sideways. I can't imagine the mess.
Goodmorning sir, thank you for the videos. You are a joy to watch! Would you mind sharing they type of camera you are using. Seems to work very well . I'm currently using gopro but, they leave a little to be desired Thanks again.
In this particular video it was a Sony FDR AX33 video camera
@@BlackBearForge Thank you, Is it the same as the one you control with your phone in some of your others?
John, what type of steel are you using for your punch/drift ? Are they made of 4140 as well? If not will 4140 make good tooling? I ask because I have a forklift fork that is I think 4140 but I am not exactly sure on the composition for sure. Thank you in advance, Martin M&S Blades
I think it was made from an old jack hammer bit which was most likely in the S2 range. However 4140 would make a good drift that would provide years of service. I have no idea what steel fork lift forks are, but there would be a lot of good tools in a set of forks. Do a test piece and see how it hardens.
Safe to say that the process for a straight peen hammer is the same but turn the peen 90°?
drill, drill, drill skreech!! sounds familiar to me.
Good stuff! I know you hear it... alot! But thank you. I wouldn't be near where I'm at without these videos. And I'm still very early in my journey.
A question if you don't mind. What would you recommend first, a tredel hammer or a fly press? I know the jist with the pros and cons between the two. Different tools, similar but different applications. Currently I make alot of smaller projects I don't mind knocking out by hand. Skulls, leaves, aliens, hooks of all too. But I really want to get more into tool making. I have what I need for now, made at the anvil. A couple hardy cutters, a hardy pillar(flat top), a spring fuller, bending jig, punch/chisel set ect. But I want to get into more with hammer/axe/handled tools. Today I got a little over my head with an axe I'm working on. First I really used the wrong material for the shape I want. (Car axel) but I got it squared off, hole punched and now I'm spreading... the long part lol. I don't mind learning and doing it that way for some of em, but for future productivity I'd like some help. Tredel or press... oh the choices lol! Hope my rant isn't too bad, and thanks again. see ya next video!
Of all the big tools I think a treadle hammer is the most versatile. It takes the place of a striker in many cases and allows for traditional styled top tooling.
@@BlackBearForge awesome. Good looking out John🍻
John, what's your average start to finish time on forging a hammer?
Good question. I do the rough forging and then anneal it over night. Grind on another day and heat treat, final grind on a third day and perhaps add the handle on a fourth day. So it seems like a long time, especially if those days aren't consecutive. But total time involved is probably 3 - 4 hours for a forging hammer and less for a little 1 pounder
So it have been lurking and learning a bunch from your videos. My question is what type of tongs are you using to move that mass of steel? Could you make a video explaining the tongs and their uses? Thanks and keep up the good work.
I have made lots of videos on both making tongs and types of tongs. ruclips.net/user/results?search_query=black+bear+forge+tongs
The tongs are used only to hold the material they do not actually move any of the mass.
Black Bear Forge thank for taking the time to reply. I appreciate your time. I was more referring to the types of tongs in your shop explained in one video. I have watched many of your tong videos and have learned so much. As for the mass, I am looking to make a hammer or 2 and possibly and axe. Most of that metal I am assuming weighs more than 3 lbs. what tongs would be good to carry it from the forge to the anvil? Thanks again
John do you have a video to access coving reforging a hammer? I have a 2kg lump hammer (aka Gympie) that I would like to reforge to a 3lb cross peen hammer similar to your favoured cross peen hammer. Cheers........👌
I haven't done that yet. Although I have lots of interest in one of my larger hammers that was reforged from a hand sledge.
why punch eye before forming striking end? wouldnt it be easier to rough out ends and then punch hammer eye?
My son and I just started blacksmithing last winter and we are total novices. What kind of steel would you recommend for us to make are first punch and drift out of? Great job on your videos you are a true professional.
Oops sorry never mind I just watched your punch and drift series and that answered my question. Great job on those videos as well. 👍
I'm glad I had the information. Lots ofsteels out there, many will work well. So once you find something work with it a little while and see what it can do for you.
Black Bear Forge thanks for the reply I really enjoy your videos I'm actually watching part 3 of your punch and drift video right now. Too hot to forge in Phoenix right now, I will watch your videos instead😀
I've looked all over for how to make a bell hammer.
Any advice?
I have no idea what that even is
@@BlackBearForge I really thought I JUST gave a response to you here.
So... "trow and holden", they make a bell hammer. Instead of it having a Cylinder that's perpendicular to the handle, it goes along the handle and tapers in as it goes down the handle.
It's designed in such a way that if you're pounding away at a chisel and miss, then hit your hand, it'll roll off your hand without injury.
I really like the diagonal peen hammer I have seen you use sometimes, would it be feasible to make one out of a hardware store hammer ? Start with a small sledge, or maybe a crosspeen and try to twist it ?
Twisting a short section of hammer head sounds pretty hard to get right. I would reforge a small double faced sledge hammer.
What is the difference between a punch and a drift?
Can older hammers be reshaped to form a cross or straight pein hammer!
Yes they can, you just have to figure out what type of steel they are so you can harden and temper them after forging
Perhaps I have not seen it yet but are your drifts made out of tool steel or like your hammer 4140?? which I see a lot of used axles would work for this application? What does the vermiculite do? rather than dipping it in oil first?
They are from a few different things, 4140, 5160 and S7 mostly
Hey John! What are the dimensions of the hammer drift and what type of steel should I use please?
I'll try to to remember to check when I get to the shop today. But the best plan is to start with the handle and make a drift for the handle you want to use.
John, why not drill the 3rd hole beween the first two? Is it because you would be fighting the bit, the whole way, or omething else?? Since I have never made a hammer, it would seem less trouble to have the 3 holes and not have as much metal to move with the punch! I have been a Blacksmith, making Rendezvous-type items like camp fire sets, S hooks, the occasional knife and things like that, for many years! However, I became disabled with a rare disease, about 20 years ago! It eats all the cartilage from all the joints and then erodes the ends of the bones! So, with that problem, I can't do much heavy work without hurting my joints!
That is why I'm asking.
Thanks in advance for your answer!
I really learn so much from your videos! Having been a teacher, I can honestly say that you are an excellent instructor! Best wishes to you, always!
That does work, but sometimes leaves traces of the holes as a wavy edge to the eye.
Like to learn
I actually practiced the basics when I first started so by the time I made my first hammer I was fairly good at punching and drifting first hammer I made actually turned out to be 5 pounds lol so makeing 1 to 2 pound hammers should feel easy now Haha but use the 5 pounder as my main now love it but would love a little smaller cross peen
What do you use for punch lube
Coal dust is pretty good. But I also use Quick and Dirty Tools punch lube
So i know this is quite an old video so i dont expect a reply... But do you quench your tongs during this process? Im very new to Blacksmithing and find my tongs overheat... So i assume i just working too much with the same tongs or theyre too thin... Or its semi nornal and people quench their tongs? I just didnt see you do it in the video. Only quenching the drift and punch. Please and thanks if anyone does reply
Yes, but if they get into a red heat be careful. Tongs made from higher carbon alloys can break if quenched at high heat. Personally I always make my tongs from mild steel to avoid that problem
@@BlackBearForge Thanks so much for the reply!! Absolutely love your work... And have learned so much from you and your videos!! Keep it up!
By chance do you ever make peening hammers for sale ? Im trying to find one at a reasonable price just trying to get into black Smithing. Thankyou for your video's and the time you take to make them takecare my friend.
I have made a few for sale. My current lead time is about 16 weeks and a hand made hammer will cost more than one from a supplier.
Would you mind giving me a idea of cost i was told 100.00 was a good deal but i figure you are a full time Blacksmith and would have a better idea. Im just getting started and am trying to get my basic things together i have an Anvil olf and has a sunken area in the center but i figure it will do until i can afford to have it hard faced i watched it on u-tube its a great source of info. Thank you for any help you feel like offering and takecare my friend.
$100 would be a very good deal for a hand made hammer. I'm afraid mine would be $175 for a hammer of about 2 1/2 pounds. Lots of old anvils have a sway back. It can be a nuisance at times but once you learn to deal with it you may find it has some usefulness.
I'm sure this is a dumb question. What is the blue stuff for?
I don't recall any thing blue. But I do use a punch lubricant that might appear blue in the video for some reason.
@@BlackBearForge I'm talking about the stuff shown at 3:30.
Curtis Baller layout dye. It leaves a blue color that your scribe lines show up on very well
@@BlackBearForge Oh ok. Thanks.
Where do you buy your 4140
McMaster Carr
Can I re forge a hammer that is peaning over ?
You can, but be careful that it hasn't cracked on the mushroomed part. I usually grind it back into shape.
Do you do anything with the small bits like the one you punched out of the middle of the hammer you made?
No, I know some people keep them just because they look impressive when you fill up a big jar of them.
Two questions: 1. Do you ever sale a hammer? 2. Where can I buy 1 1/2" 4140?
I do make them for sale from time to time. Currently I queue requests in a wait list at www.waitlistr.com/lists/dcc6d292/black-bear-forge-wait-list
I buy 4140 from McMaster Carr online
i like it when he says peen
Hi John
Have you ever made a hammer by using the faggoting technique?
When your drill bit jams up like that it is from lack of oil, that is why machinist have a constant stream of oil running over the bit.