35:24 The opponent casts Farewell with the modes exile all artifacts and exile all creatures, but because of the order those are in on the card, Luxior gets exiled before the creature-ified Wandering Emperor. The continuous effect making her a creature ends, so she dodges the exile all creatures mode of the spell. This is the perfect example of why you always have to check the order of modes on a modal card, because weird interactions like this can completely change how you play them.
@@zkzhang7332 Personally, I feel like "GG" is BM in Arena unless you're losing. You shouldn't emote "GG" if you're steamrolling, the other guy is mana screwed, or on the first turn.
@@sandwichmeats1753 Yeah, you're right. In first turn, he show GG is rude. Nowadays, I thought GG is better to be expressed by the loser(not derogatory) for appreciating winner. It seems like gl hf(good luck have fun), LIKE I have fun with you in this match.
Never seen Seth doing that but it's worth to mention that you can equip 2 Luxiors to single Elspeth to give her +2/+2 for every counter which make her grow to even sicker numbers.
I will say this is an interesting interaction because normally you can NOT copy the token from Croaking Counterpart WITH Croaking counterpart since the token is a frog and it says "non-frog creature" but the the fact it becomes a planeswalker undos it? Very curious, love the idea!
@@MTGGoldfish you did, in Match 1 Game 2. What I find interesting is that copying Elspeth gave you a green Elspeth, but it wasn’t a creature, and when it was turned into a creature it wasn’t a Frog.
From the rules: "205.3d An object can’t gain a subtype that doesn’t correspond to one of that object’s types." when the token becomes a planeswalker it can't have the frog subtype because it is a creature-only subtype!
40:59 Gotta love forgetting that Counterpart can target opponents creatures like What would you prefer? -1/1 with Vigilance -1/1 with Flying, Vigilance
An amazing against the odds, favorite of the year so far. The math on some of those clones would be insane to do in paper. Your mirror pool mimic copy of a frog that has a shield, +1/+1, flying, and 6 loyalty counters, plus it might or might not be a 1/1, and it only gets buffed by half the mirror boxes usually.
35:25 for those that are confused on why elspeth doesn't get exiled, it is because when exile creatures happen it is no longer a creature when exile creatures happen. You do the actions in order of the card.
you are a genius, you actually combined most of my favorite cards in standard somehow in one deck in a way couldn't ever think of, my closest idea was jaxis clones to clone the "draw when die" over and over but your s is way more fun and explosive, this is literally a machinegun of elspeths
@tal If you use jaxis to copy a creature, then you use another card to copy the jaxis token, you do not draw a card when that thing dies. You also don’t sac that new token.
@@theemathas but if you do so then you can use jaxis again on the permanent clone that already draws when he die which means you discard one, he dies and you draw two, if you repeat the proccess with croacking counterpart you can make a creature that draws two when it dies and then jaxis it every turn so you discard one to draw three and it can go higher as you keep cloning. Basically you stack the text and activate all at once, like mutate
@@talamran7499 The permanent clone dying does not cause you to draw cards. The property of "sac at end of turn, and draw when I die" is not copiable. There is no way to make a jaxis clone that draws you two cards.
@@theemathas are sure? Because jaxis says it gains "draw when die" and it tells you to sac it later, looks copyable for me, also I don't want it to be sacrificed just draw
This made me realize how much a card like Elspeth Resplendent really wants to go into my Kathril, Aspect Warper deck. The counters it puts on other creatures really does make monstrosities out of small creatures. Just something of note as well, games like the last one are the reason why I really enjoy Magic, just the ridiculousness of what you can do in this game makes it for me.
Hey Seth, I don't know where the right place for this would be, but I'd really like to see some Explorer content. They finally made the eternal format I wanted!
Seems strange they don't specify the base power and toughness of the Planeswalker turned creature on Luxior. Wonder if there's a reason why when other similar cards specify the base P/T.
'Am I a Planeswalkeeeeeerrrrrrrr, or am I a frogger(Am I a Frogger). If I'm a frogger, then I'm a very awesome frogger(Very awesome frogger).' I have no idea if its too niche a reference :)
Nice deck. Spirited Companion ... is a very good card. It also works very well with the inexorable Kaya. I'm wonderung about Orvar ... if they might help copying Elspeth. I mean: Getting an extra copy for casting Counterpart ... seems nice.
I think this is an Arena bug. Obviously she cannot be a frog, while she is a planeswalker, but as soon as she turns into a creature, she should also turn into a frog. Arena just forgot this effect because it originally does nothing. Generally sounds like a good idea to get rid of effects that do nothing from a performance point of view, but here it backfired.
Frog is a creature-only type. Because of that, a Planeswalker cannot gain it when it is copied. Permanents can’t gain types that do not “belong” to their permanent type, so to speak (e.g. there isn’t a way to do this that I can think of, but you also wouldn’t be able to turn a nonartifact creature into a vehicle even if a card would tell you to do so (without also turning it into an artifact), which is why a card like Swift Reconfiguration must have the ability to turn the enchanted permanent into an artifact even though it makes the text kinda clunky). When it turns back into a creature, it’s not a Frog because it never gained the type in the first place and therefore can be targeted by croaking counterpart. Not a bug (this time).
Oh with alchemy guest creature card that doubles spells or effects when you cast from graveyard like flashback this would pop even more and same for orvar and say homestead courage plus Geist orvar courage copy cast again from grave make another two copies again could even copy the sword with orvar if used like geistwave to return to hand or a spell that taps artifacts or whatever gases it out maybe? Opus is a bit expensive.
Since green is in your deck and you have so much card draw, you might as well add a trample instant or enchantment so get through. Just to minimize exposure to board wipes
M1 G1 making a frog dog might have been better than niko. That at least let’s you cast the Taimyo when you get there but even without the benefit of hindsight digging is good.
Idk if a deck that hasn't lost me a game yet would be considered against the odds but Seth you have got to try this janky ass version of jund tokens man. I added kaya giest hunter in order to get double tokens and it gets kinda crazy..... Prosperous innkeeper and two mirror breaker in play after kaya negative 2 makes infinite mana and life and then having meat hook in play is infinite damage I've been able to pull this off in just about every match I've played so far which has been around 20 or so matches two people have conceded but most of my opponent have let it go off I'd imagine just because of curiosity seeing what happens when you negative 2 kaya For some reason you don't get two copies of the ob nix token but you do get double treasure tokens
There's a difference between "if one or more tokens would be created..." from Kaya and the rule of "copies of permanent spells result in tokens after resolving" in regards to Ob Nix's Casualty. As u/Judge_Todd put it: "A spell copy object made on the stack becomes a token object on the field. It wasn't created because it already existed in the game state before. To be created, a token has to have not existed in the game state prior."
Okay, I think I can help you with this one Seth. Giada de laurentiis is a celebrity chef and there are like a million videos with people saying her name. So rather than trying to follow some phonetic spelling, just look up one of the many food network videos.
"Pathways are basically snarls" Snarls: often come into play tapped, make both colors when in play Pathways: never come into play tapped, only make one color when in play
I get the turn one "good game" sometimes and i figured they probably wish you a "nice game experience". Still, i had to laugh hard when opponent did that to you
Luminarch Aspirant is better than Spirit Companion in general, although with this deck we don't really want to win by beating down with creatures, we want to make a bunch of Elspeths, so I think that for what we are trying to do the "draw a card" etb is better than Aspirant.
During the 2nd match.... so many times was I yelling for you to use your croaking counterpart to copy their angels lol. you would have flying blockers, and in some situations, busted cards. But you really wanted 2/2 tokens... lol
Changing the spelling in the video description to match the mispronunciation isn't a fking thing, boys. EDIT: I SEE YOU YOU COWARDS. COME BACK AND ANSWER FOR YOUR CRIMES
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35:24 The opponent casts Farewell with the modes exile all artifacts and exile all creatures, but because of the order those are in on the card, Luxior gets exiled before the creature-ified Wandering Emperor. The continuous effect making her a creature ends, so she dodges the exile all creatures mode of the spell. This is the perfect example of why you always have to check the order of modes on a modal card, because weird interactions like this can completely change how you play them.
Gotta love layers
love how seth was worried about duress hitting his creature lol
Thoughtseize trauma lol
It’s not Thoughtseize trauma, it’s MDFC trauma being mostly spells.
@@jimscott772 it’s both, but no need to be an ass about it
The phrase "we assembled frog Tron in standard" gives me life
Love it when the opponent emotes 'Good Game' and then proceeds to get board wiped.
there was nothing magical about "magicjoey". classic salty opponent.
So good. Dropping an early GG is obnoxious as hell.
@@KrisEganPhotographer GG used to compliment opponent or the lost one praise rivals. It was not uesd to jeer opponents. I think
@@zkzhang7332 Personally, I feel like "GG" is BM in Arena unless you're losing. You shouldn't emote "GG" if you're steamrolling, the other guy is mana screwed, or on the first turn.
@@sandwichmeats1753 Yeah, you're right. In first turn, he show GG is rude. Nowadays, I thought GG is better to be expressed by the loser(not derogatory) for appreciating winner. It seems like gl hf(good luck have fun), LIKE I have fun with you in this match.
The mental image of a frog cosplaying as Elspeth beating down with a sword is something else
Never seen Seth doing that but it's worth to mention that you can equip 2 Luxiors to single Elspeth to give her +2/+2 for every counter which make her grow to even sicker numbers.
I will never get tired of the pure joy on seth's face when an against the odds deck pops off.
I will say this is an interesting interaction because normally you can NOT copy the token from Croaking Counterpart WITH Croaking counterpart since the token is a frog and it says "non-frog creature" but the the fact it becomes a planeswalker undos it? Very curious, love the idea!
I'm thinking that's an Arena bug.
Did we actually copy a Frog Elspeth with counterpart or did we just keep copying the "real" Elspeth? I honestly don't remember.
@@MTGGoldfish you did, in Match 1 Game 2. What I find interesting is that copying Elspeth gave you a green Elspeth, but it wasn’t a creature, and when it was turned into a creature it wasn’t a Frog.
From the rules: "205.3d An object can’t gain a subtype that doesn’t correspond to one of that object’s types."
when the token becomes a planeswalker it can't have the frog subtype because it is a creature-only subtype!
Love it when Seth plays a Barkchannel Pathway on the opposite face so that he can't cast his green spells in game 1.
Never change Seth
40:59 Gotta love forgetting that Counterpart can target opponents creatures like
What would you prefer?
-1/1 with Vigilance
-1/1 with Flying, Vigilance
Against the Odds Dog Tron.
Edit : When Crim returns to Commander Clash, you have to do this with Nissas and make Crim's worst Nightmare come true.
I love how the opponent must have felt so safe at 15 only to perish to 5/5 dogs 🤣
An amazing against the odds, favorite of the year so far.
The math on some of those clones would be insane to do in paper. Your mirror pool mimic copy of a frog that has a shield, +1/+1, flying, and 6 loyalty counters, plus it might or might not be a 1/1, and it only gets buffed by half the mirror boxes usually.
Fascinating video. Absolutely ribbiting.
This is what against the odds is all about! Great one!
35:25 for those that are confused on why elspeth doesn't get exiled, it is because when exile creatures happen it is no longer a creature when exile creatures happen. You do the actions in order of the card.
Spirited companion beats meta.
Boy I wish at least for the end of the format Seth gets to pronounce Giada correctly 🤓
Seth and Andrea Mengucci should collaborate on a pronunciation guide video for New Capenna cards.
That actually sounds like a good video
you are a genius, you actually combined most of my favorite cards in standard somehow in one deck in a way couldn't ever think of, my closest idea was jaxis clones to clone the "draw when die" over and over but your s is way more fun and explosive, this is literally a machinegun of elspeths
Glad you liked it!
@tal If you use jaxis to copy a creature, then you use another card to copy the jaxis token, you do not draw a card when that thing dies. You also don’t sac that new token.
@@theemathas but if you do so then you can use jaxis again on the permanent clone that already draws when he die which means you discard one, he dies and you draw two, if you repeat the proccess with croacking counterpart you can make a creature that draws two when it dies and then jaxis it every turn so you discard one to draw three and it can go higher as you keep cloning.
Basically you stack the text and activate all at once, like mutate
@@talamran7499 The permanent clone dying does not cause you to draw cards. The property of "sac at end of turn, and draw when I die" is not copiable.
There is no way to make a jaxis clone that draws you two cards.
@@theemathas are sure? Because jaxis says it gains "draw when die" and it tells you to sac it later, looks copyable for me, also I don't want it to be sacrificed just draw
elspeth is my favorite planesfrogger
Glasspool Mimic is a creature. You cannot duress it. Am I missing something?
You're missing that this is Seth we're talking about. Technicalities like "The rules of the game" aren't going to stop him.
@@Atmapalazzo That s̶i̶g̶n̶ card can't stop me because I can't read!
This made me realize how much a card like Elspeth Resplendent really wants to go into my Kathril, Aspect Warper deck. The counters it puts on other creatures really does make monstrosities out of small creatures.
Just something of note as well, games like the last one are the reason why I really enjoy Magic, just the ridiculousness of what you can do in this game makes it for me.
mirror box dog lethal was my favorite part
Hey Seth, I don't know where the right place for this would be, but I'd really like to see some Explorer content. They finally made the eternal format I wanted!
We're actually playing Explorer for next week's Against the Odds!
"if we get turn 1 duressed on this glasspool mimic, we do nothing"
repeat that slowly xD
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Oh man this deck looks awesome! The Autoshuffler was so cruel to you though. I wish we could see you try it again.
It's a shame that the dog kill at 12:28 isn't the most replayed part in the video because that was funny
I am afraid of what I'm about to watch
Seems strange they don't specify the base power and toughness of the Planeswalker turned creature on Luxior. Wonder if there's a reason why when other similar cards specify the base P/T.
I guess they did not want to turn your other creatures into 0/0s.
The splash art is great as usual. Made me think of Lady Olivia from Amphibia
30:17 Seth: "Oh, it's an angel deck! [...] We saw one [angel tribal card], but not really enough to expect an angel deck!" Come on, Seth, lol.
That was truly amazing. That last game. Wow!
Now that's some froggin bullfish right there.
'Am I a Planeswalkeeeeeerrrrrrrr, or am I a frogger(Am I a Frogger). If I'm a frogger, then I'm a very awesome frogger(Very awesome frogger).' I have no idea if its too niche a reference :)
Against The Odds is easily my favorite MTG youtube content.
26:20 Good Boy Tron.
Oh my God. What a ridiculous deck. Seth this was a masterpiece. That last game was amazing
Nice deck.
Spirited Companion ... is a very good card.
It also works very well with the inexorable Kaya.
I'm wonderung about Orvar ... if they might help copying Elspeth.
I mean: Getting an extra copy for casting Counterpart ... seems nice.
Holy crap I’m building Falco superfriends with this for commander. It’s ridiculous.
Got that secret Dog ending in Game 3. :D
in Match 3, Seth didn't start singing "Who Let The Dogs Out." What a wasted opportunity
18:18 I don't think opponent expected it to work. But I also think they expected to die the next turn regardless.
I'm confused as to why Croaking Counterpart can target frog versions of Elspeth. Isn't she a 1/1 Frog in addition to her other types?
I think this is an Arena bug. Obviously she cannot be a frog, while she is a planeswalker, but as soon as she turns into a creature, she should also turn into a frog. Arena just forgot this effect because it originally does nothing. Generally sounds like a good idea to get rid of effects that do nothing from a performance point of view, but here it backfired.
Frog is a creature-only type. Because of that, a Planeswalker cannot gain it when it is copied. Permanents can’t gain types that do not “belong” to their permanent type, so to speak (e.g. there isn’t a way to do this that I can think of, but you also wouldn’t be able to turn a nonartifact creature into a vehicle even if a card would tell you to do so (without also turning it into an artifact), which is why a card like Swift Reconfiguration must have the ability to turn the enchanted permanent into an artifact even though it makes the text kinda clunky). When it turns back into a creature, it’s not a Frog because it never gained the type in the first place and therefore can be targeted by croaking counterpart. Not a bug (this time).
That last game made my day
28:36 Wat da dog doin 👀
Not a frog, but still funny how Elspeth became a mouse in bloomburrow
Oh with alchemy guest creature card that doubles spells or effects when you cast from graveyard like flashback this would pop even more and same for orvar and say homestead courage plus Geist orvar courage copy cast again from grave make another two copies again could even copy the sword with orvar if used like geistwave to return to hand or a spell that taps artifacts or whatever gases it out maybe? Opus is a bit expensive.
"FROG-TRON"...nuff said
This deck should run Orvar the All-form, which doubles up the copying (ie. you get a frog copy and an original copy).
Its such a weird interaction with planeswalkers being creatures
Like how does damage work on them.
this is the content im here for
Hope the Thumbnail artist got a bonus for this masterpiece.
Rootcoil creeper so you can cast flashbacks spells from exile!
That mono white player would be the easiest instamute of my life. So funny to see them lose.
Today on Against the Odds: Samurai Tribal!
WHAT THE FROG !!! lol
Luxior gives a whole another way to lplay mtg. I hope they come out with planeswalkers that has an ability when creature.
What a good froggo
Such a good boy!
If you get a full art or foil version of Luxior, is it Deluxior?
It is Wednesday, my dude! 🐸
Since green is in your deck and you have so much card draw, you might as well add a trample instant or enchantment so get through. Just to minimize exposure to board wipes
This is just Ob Chariot but the jank version, I love it
"LONGLIVE THE ULTRA-MEGA ELSPETH
Cheers to the opponent that sat through the last game
Whats the extra hud stuff youre using??
"What would monowhite be fortelling?" I dunno, Doomskar, maybe?
It would be fun for mirror box with rat colony,
Guy-da? Lol
Gee-ah-duh
M1 G1 making a frog dog might have been better than niko.
That at least let’s you cast the Taimyo when you get there but even without the benefit of hindsight digging is good.
I also noticed that he had another blue white source he saved to play the blue/green on blue
Idk if a deck that hasn't lost me a game yet would be considered against the odds but Seth you have got to try this janky ass version of jund tokens man. I added kaya giest hunter in order to get double tokens and it gets kinda crazy..... Prosperous innkeeper and two mirror breaker in play after kaya negative 2 makes infinite mana and life and then having meat hook in play is infinite damage
I've been able to pull this off in just about every match I've played so far which has been around 20 or so matches two people have conceded but most of my opponent have let it go off I'd imagine just because of curiosity seeing what happens when you negative 2 kaya
For some reason you don't get two copies of the ob nix token but you do get double treasure tokens
Deck
1 Malakir Rebirth (ZNR) 111
3 Shambling Ghast (AFR) 119
3 Deadly Dispute (AFR) 94
3 Eaten Alive (MID) 99
1 Ray of Enfeeblement (AFR) 116
2 Shakedown Heavy (SNC) 95
1 Hive of the Eye Tyrant (AFR) 258
3 Binding the Old Gods (KHM) 206
1 Forest (SNC) 271
4 Fable of the Mirror-Breaker (NEO) 141
2 Blightstep Pathway (KHM) 252
1 Luxior, Giada's Gift (SNC) 240
1 Wrenn and Seven (MID) 208
1 Lolth, Spider Queen (AFR) 112
1 Sorin the Mirthless (VOW) 131
2 Ob Nixilis, the Adversary (SNC) 206
4 Prosperous Innkeeper (AFR) 200
3 Esika's Chariot (KHM) 169
1 Takenuma, Abandoned Mire (NEO) 278
2 The Meathook Massacre (MID) 112
1 Halana and Alena, Partners (VOW) 239
2 Ziatora's Proving Ground (SNC) 261
2 Cragcrown Pathway (ZNR) 261
1 Jetmir's Garden (SNC) 250
1 Burn Down the House (MID) 131
1 Shattered Sanctum (VOW) 264
1 Den of the Bugbear (AFR) 254
2 Sokenzan, Crucible of Defiance (NEO) 276
2 Haunted Ridge (MID) 263
1 Darkbore Pathway (KHM) 254
3 Deathcap Glade (VOW) 261
1 Sundown Pass (VOW) 266
1 Swamp (DAR) 258
1 Woodland Chasm (KHM) 274
1 Mountain (M20) 275
1 Kaya, Geist Hunter (VOW) 240
2 Boseiju, Who Endures (NEO) 266
There's a difference between "if one or more tokens would be created..." from Kaya and the rule of "copies of permanent spells result in tokens after resolving" in regards to Ob Nix's Casualty.
As u/Judge_Todd put it:
"A spell copy object made on the stack becomes a token object on the field.
It wasn't created because it already existed in the game state before.
To be created, a token has to have not existed in the game state prior."
Such a missed opportunity by not calling this deck "Princess and the Frog" 🤪
GO Doggo's 😁
Shit me it's been a while since I watch saffron olive. Didn't have a beard last time I watched
Why does Snow-covered Plains have Windows buttons for window control (close/minimalise/full screen)?
It’s a cycle of alt-art snow basics.
They look great.
Frog Elspeth best Elspeth!
Joan Osbourne's "What if El-speth, was a frog?"
Seth, your shirt changed colors half-way
Okay, I think I can help you with this one Seth. Giada de laurentiis is a celebrity chef and there are like a million videos with people saying her name. So rather than trying to follow some phonetic spelling, just look up one of the many food network videos.
The princess and the frog?
frog espelthience requiem
There’s no kill like overkill.
Still lethal haha
Good game
This is almost enough to make you forgive you for not making a dedicated Croaking Counterparty AtO.
FROG TRON!!!!!
"Pathways are basically snarls"
Snarls: often come into play tapped, make both colors when in play
Pathways: never come into play tapped, only make one color when in play
Is this the part where we ignore the context of what he was saying and be pedantic instead?
@@zachgray4767 I feel like that's kind of the point of this channel..
@@DarklordZagarna No, the point is to embrace the absurdity and joy that Seth brings to the table, not bash him for being himself.
Frogselpeth.
it works
Wish this was called "against the frogs"
Is this the MTGGoldfish with the most mispronunciations? Luxior multiple times every single match plus Giada, Eiganjo and probably more.
I get the turn one "good game" sometimes and i figured they probably wish you a "nice game experience". Still, i had to laugh hard when opponent did that to you
elspeth tribal
So... you had Kaito dead by attacking it... and didnt do it. Why?!
Isn't luminarch aspirant just better than spirited companion in this deck since the counters it gives can also be buffed by luxor?
you don't draw though, which what matters here.
@@jaredroberts5509 one card doesn't really seem worth just a one one vs luminarch which can win the game by itself if left unanswered
Luminarch Aspirant is better than Spirit Companion in general, although with this deck we don't really want to win by beating down with creatures, we want to make a bunch of Elspeths, so I think that for what we are trying to do the "draw a card" etb is better than Aspirant.
If you are copying planeswalkers you should include Orvarr 😤
During the 2nd match.... so many times was I yelling for you to use your croaking counterpart to copy their angels lol. you would have flying blockers, and in some situations, busted cards. But you really wanted 2/2 tokens... lol
Jee-Odd-Ah. It is an Italian name that real people have. Not GuyDa. lmao great vid.
Changing the spelling in the video description to match the mispronunciation isn't a fking thing, boys.
EDIT: I SEE YOU YOU COWARDS. COME BACK AND ANSWER FOR YOUR CRIMES
lucksoar gyeduh's gift
Between Luxor, Gaida, and Crackling Counterpart (!?), it's honestly getting a bit egregious. Made me drop the video halfway.
Cool deck tho.