The ULTIMATE American V8 Engine Tier List
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- American car culture is primarily known for the howling V8. Over the years, many V8 engines have been produced, but which is the best? In this video, there is a full ranking engine tier list of Chevy, Ford, and Dodge's greatest V8 creations.
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00:00 Introduction
00:21 Chevy V8s
05:09 Ford V8s
08:46 Dodge V8s 
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A few things to note / common questions:
- These are solely my opinions and if yours are different that’s fine. This video is purely for entertainment.
- I did not forget any engines (LSA, LS4, Super snake) etc. I simply stuck to the newer and highest production volume engines to keep the video a reasonable length. I might do a video on older ones eventually.
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i think it’s a fine list… debating the results is half the fun. you need a little controversy to keep it lively!
Plz do would love to see the placement of the small blocks like maybe the 460 stroker or Windsor or whatever people want to call it at the time
I was a little disappointed to see nothing from the golden age of muscle cars, but I get it.
On any final list chart you should also show the specs underneath the engine model.
Make for a handy and quick comparison overview of engine specs.
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4.6 2v deserved a spot. Incredible motor for reliability
And also incredibly slow and one of the best sounding v8s
I still have mine. 165k miles now and zero problems. Still burns rubber daily. ❤🐎
Most reliable V8 ever
@@angelgjr1999I had 250k miles on my 96 gt mustang before selling it. 4.6 are bulletproof.
I got my 4.6 2V with about 280k miles in it, incredible reliability
I've seen lots of those with nearly a half million miles on them, especially in Crown Vic's.
The entire LS engine series shares the harmonic balancer problem. The LS6 valve spring failure was actually quite rare and those engines were often thrashed at the track.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Yeah the ls2 definitely deserves a better rating than that shit
The lt2 can make as much power as the ls9 N/A with bolt ons and a cam. Its also basically an lt1 with the intake flipped around and a dry sump oil pump. "B tier" ok bud
Bro said small issue of valve drop too... Anyone that's looking at a C06 is making sure the heads have been done
The ls2 is huge in australia and almost bullet proof. The l98 L77 variants with DOD or active fuel management had lifter failures but cam and lifter package fixed that pretty easily
14 GT500 owner here, can only confirm everything you said about the trinity engine. It's really something special glad to see it getting the respect it deserves
Glad you enjoyed, and love your car that’s sick. Welcome to the channel!
Trinity is good but not special. I'd argue that the run-of--mill LT1/LS1 are special precisely because of their ubiquity. Sure, they are everywhere and very familar, but that is what makes them special. Those engines democratized the hot rod V8; they feel boring because everybody has one. THey are miracle engines because they provide awesome performace to the everyday man.
Those 5.8 engines are off the hook!
Before settling on the 7.3 Godzilla, I even thought about swapping the 5.8 into my ‘06 gt.
The 5.8 is absolutely insane.
@@taylorc2542 well but doesn't that make something special when it's not that available everywhere, of course the LS1 is a great engine but like you said it's very common. The trinity on the other hand is very rare and sounds like nothing else
@@lordsilvis1048 that would have been a real cool engine swap, still can't believe they managed to keep the 7.3l so compact heard it takes less space then the 5.0 Coyote
The 6.1 hemi might be the real goat of the big hemis. The stock internals are said to be better than the 6.4, and so is the base "block" or platform as far as custom-built motors go. Hell, it's been said that even the modern 5.7s has a stronger factory setup in it than the 6.4, and you can get a 5.7 to do hellcat numbers easier/more reliably than a 6.4. My point is, you missed one, and kinda underrated the other.
Can confirm. My 6.1 is boosted with 8lbs, and is running on e85 currently making 600 wheel. Stock internals and runs door to door with Hellcats.
Im confused… it’s well known that the 6.4 stock internals can’t handle boost, so I don’t understand how it can be the bar for fantastic internals?
@@mcspartan5822His point is that the 6.1 is better for boost than the 6.4 and it deserved a mention on this list. The 6.4 definitely doesn’t set any kind of bar and no-one’s calling it’s internals fantastic. 6.1 HEMI’s are considered the most reliable hemi motor to date and can expect to see 250,000+ miles with proper maintenance, can easily handle 600+hp on stock internals, make great power stock (425hp/420lbft), are easily available for a good price, and have a massive aftermarket and tuning potential.
You definitely choked on the Hemi front. The 5.7 was also rated upto 395 hp. The 6.1 was a beast, and you've forgotten the Redeye, Demon and Demon170 at 1025hp. Clearly not a Mopar guy at all... lol
My 5.7 has been absolutely perfect, and is silky smooth on acceleration, and the other points you made are valid as well. Sticking it in the same category as the LS6 is weird to me considering how much more reliable, common, and in some cases more affordable the hemi is. And leaving the 6.1 out has me questioning this list entirely. And this is coming from a Corvette fan
LS9 should also be in S tier very reliable for a forced induction motor from factory and are know to produce +1000hp on stock internals
@@blaspheed ls7 also has the titanium rods, sodium filled exhaust valves, and "dry" sump. far fewer LS9s out there and they're driven a lot less than LS7s so I think that's a big reason for the difference in perceived reliability
Not to mention that the ls9 with cams and heads upgrades will literally take out e85 McLaren 720s and they’re twin tubro v8 bois
Yea I don’t know how an ls7 out placed a LS9, it’s one of the best engines ever made
@@matthewanderson1943 literally what I was thinking. People pay 15-20k for those engines all day long and they are worth every penny
@@matthewanderson1943because N/A 7L Id swap my 700hp LSA for a LS7 in my HSV GTS.
As an australian we're very lucky with the LS lineup, the holden commodores had verious LS engines. L76/LS2 was in the VZ and VE SS, L77 was in the VF SS series 1, LS1 was in series 2 VT and VX commodores, LS3 in some holden clubsports and VF SERIES 2 COMMODORE, LS7 in some commodore senators, LSA in VF gtsr and even the LS9 was in the HSV GTSR W1 commodores
Wasn’t LS7 on in W427, which I know based on senator but isnt designated as one
@@willm687 possibly not 100% sure will have to look into that
@@wazza2220 well you couldn’t go into HSV and buy a senator with an LS7 you could only get it in the w427
@@willm687 ah okay shit my bad 😂
LSA in the highly regarded CTS-V wagons! I hope the poster does a video including that engine too!
Ford Modular V8 1991-2009 is the best engine design ever. The 2v 4.6 variant is the most reliable fuel-injected motor ever sold commercially. The 5.4 4v was the first engine to take a car to 300 mph. And Koenigsegg chose the 4.6 4v as a base for their V8s. Bonus point: those are the best sounding V8s.
they didn't make enough power to hurt themselves... just like the 7.3, supposed 'godly' engine, only because they make no power
@@dill2576the 05-09 gt500 5.4 4v that was referenced in the video is included in this and obviously that made good power. Not to mention the 4.6 4v from the 96-04 cobra
@@dill2576 Arguable at the least, especially given that the 4v 5.4 was used in the GT and had at one point been used to achieve a new land-speed world record for a production vehicle.
Missed quite a few modular v8s, 4.6 2v, 5.4 4v cobra etc & I would’ve chucked in the l77 or l98, not having cathedral ports made them stand over the ls2 quite easily. Otherwise, nice list
Why didn't Fords venerable 4.6 2v make it on the list? Millions served law enforcement to over 300k miles and saw the chip daily.
I love the 4.6 2v, I put one in my 99 ranger, bigger cams stiffer springs and headers with remote cutouts. Only mods beside a remote oil filter kit.
@@Mark_317 that sounds sick as fuck
@@Jayden4.6 just not when it rains, it's got an lsd but in the rain the back end breaks loose, cant complain too much though it only cost me my time to build.
I appreciate your knowledge of the L98. If the L98 was included, then the 5.0 found in the Foxbody's should also be on the list along with the early LT1's in my opinion but I think starting at the LS1 on this list was the right move. I own a 1990 Corvette and I wouldn't rank the L98 too high. It has good torque stock but it's pretty limited in power output. Anything above 400-500 horse requires new heads and it only had 255 horsepower in the later years of the C4. The torque is fun but personally, I'd rather LS swap my C4. Same can be said for the LT1 and early 5.0. If you want good power, you're just building your own motor.
I'm old school. I love old Big blocks. 383, 413, 426 wedge, 426 Hemi, 440 Six pack. The big block buster 340 six pack, Ford 390, 429 GM 409, 427, 454. These engines rule and can make wicked power for not that much money. No computers required.
I was disappointed not to see any big blocks. The 454 is a work of art, currently rebuilding my dads 454SS and boy is it a dream to both work on and drive.
The 90s ZR1 carried the LT5, not LT4. The LT4 was a single year engine in 1996 found in the 96 Grand Sport and was an option for other models.
Yes I meant LT5 but had a brain malfunction, I think I was thinking C4 and let the 4 carry over lol. You are correct, thanks for watching
The lt4 was also in a few Camaros and firebirds as far as I know but yes your definitely right with the corvette and the lt5 I still have a couple customers with lt5 cars that come in
Identified with the block painted red, correct? I knew a guy that had one, he loved stumping people with that little factoid.
The LT4 was, as you say a single-year engine for the Corvettes, but it was put in 96 Grand Sports and ALL 96 Corvettes with the 6-spd manual. The next year, the LT4 was also available as an option in 97 Camaro SSes and Firebird Firehawks...very few were made of either and that combo remains rare and highly sought after.
@@DoctorHemi Hard of reading or just desirous of repeating what I said with more words?
Missing the terminator 4.6 which was bulletproof and should be S tier.
Yes I tried to stick to newer stuff to keep the length down, but I completely agree that engine is legendary. Thanks for watching!
The Terminator is newer than the LS1. 🤷
Yeah not sure how LS1 and LS2, but no Terminator? Just the sound it makes alone.
Terminator owner here, my car is old yes but with headers and a good exhaust, it makes one of the meanest V8 notes I have ever heard. That’s before you factor in the screamin eaton, or the whipple whines of these cars
People always talk about the iconic sound of the hellcat engine but seem to forget that terminators were doing it years ago.
Gen 2 Coyote is probably one of the best engines for making high power off of. Most coyotes making over 1000+ hp are based off of Gen 2 coyotes. Even the Predator and Voodoo are based off of the Gen 2 Coyote. Engine definitely deserves A or S Tier, as we wouldn't have gotten the Voodoo or Predator Engine without the Gen 2 Coyote.
Agreed, gen 2 coyote has no place in B tier. Definitely A or S
Thanks for that. I have stock F150 with the last year of the gen 2 Coyotes. Hope it’s the last vehicle I ever own 😅
@ryanlemmers5300 Man those are hard to find! Every f150 I search is the eco boost engine!
just wanted to mention a difference between the VooDoo and the Predator. Voodoo has a flat-plane crank, which gives it that beautiful sound you talked about, where as the Predator went back to the original cross-plane crank like the 5.0s have, which is why it goes back to that gumbly V8. great video! just the one thing i would have mentioned for those 2 engines!
Yes that is correct thanks for the info. I’m glad you enjoyed and welcome you to the channel!
yeah so is the predator a voodoo just with a supercharger and a cross plane or is it a coyote gone up to 5.2L and a supercharger like which way is it. also i know the voodoo is based on the coyote but hope you understand what i mean
The flat-planes are also why the voodoo has the potential to be the fastest ford V8 at the moment.
4.6 modular got absolutely hosed in this
It’s a good engine, all of these are. Just trying to rank them relative to one another. Hope you enjoyed and thanks for watching.
I am a big Dodge guy, but I find myself oddly, loving the sound of the 5.0 coyote
Mopar or Nocar?
was expecting older smallblocks to appear on the list as well
Definitely some great ones in there, wanted to keep the video a reasonable length. Maybe I’ll do an older era tier list eventually. Thanks for watching!
@michaelthebarbarian3380 The 351C was the most handicapped engine in PS drag racing for a reason. King of smaller displacement V8s of the era, including the small Chevys, heck, the had the largest weight breaks in PS.
I was hoping for Diesel engines or the 8.1 Big Block as well
Nice video, I have an LS3 in my G8 and it is awesome. Even though I'm living in Colorado at 6,000ft above sea level the NA 6.2 LS3 still gives me plenty of power and speed with just simple bolt ons and a tune. The 5.2 Voodoo is my second favorite, a GT350 would highly be on my list of next cars, the only issue is the reliability of them.
That’s sick man, the LS3 is one of my favorites for sure, interesting to hear about the altitude factor. You definitely have good taste in the voodoo as well. Thanks for watching
@@running2redline Yeah not many people realize but us folks at higher altitude have a bigger struggle at making power due to the thinner air up here. A lot of people here recommend going boosted since it is easier for those to make power this high up as opposed to NA builds. And np man, good stuff. You should definitley do JDM motors next!
@@Tanner_Tevesthat’s really intriguing, and JDM is a great idea!
Did the LS3 come with the active fuel management? I have a G8 with the 6.0 and never did the DOD delete. Praying it doesn't give me issues
@@DatG8Guylmfao it will at some point. The DOD system is trash as shit. Never known why Chevy put it in. Maybe in Australia they have a ECU that doesn't have that function. Might be over 3k to get it, but it would be worth it.
The LS2 was also found in the '06 and '07 CTS-V. I've owned an LS6 in my '05 CTS-V, and I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone have a valve problem with theirs and I was very active on the CTS-V forums and have "talked" with a lot of owners over the years. I supercharged mine at 35k miles and sold the car at 82k. Never an issue. Just FYI.
I never had a valve problem, I am just on my third harmonic balancer, (Non OEM this time). Glad you enjoyed yours!
ls2 is also in the top preformance cars of the gmt360 platform (trailblazer SS, saab 9-7x aero, and the ssr truck)
@@running2redlineI had an 05 LS2 GTO that was BULLETPROOF until I got literally hit by a bus (that totaled it). I had over 220K miles on it. I drove it everyday and it never let me down. It sounded incredible with the bullet muffler setup I had along with a few other goodies. It pulled like a freight train until the end with minimal repairs over its entire lifespan. I have a sixth generation Camaro SS now that’s much faster and handles better but I still miss that car every now and then 💪🏾🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥✊🏿
Pretty cool video, Mustang GT 5.0 will always be impressive
Thanks I appreciate it! And yes the mustang gt is one of the best sounding cars on the road, you can’t go wrong. Welcome to the channel
All Ford engines on here not surpassing the 6 liter with the power there pushing out is impressive, just imagine if Ford really designed some 6 liter engine.
(Even though they did come out with the 7.3 Godzilla)
@@alexdavis6566dog 6.0 is dog shit 5.0 all the way literally just bolt on a blower and your making 700 easy
@themechanicred I have a 2020 Mustang GT. It's not a 0-60 car. But once you get past 3000 rpm it really hauls. Top end pull is very impressive for a 'stock' engine. However, there is healthy mid-range torque. On the roads I drive in Arkansas 3rd gear is all you ever need.
I’d like to see Ford do a quad cam 32 valve V8 with a large capacity engine. Say a 6.7 lt or 7.3 lt v8
This is based af. I agree almost completely, i think for the time the LS3 deserves S tier but to each his own
I think LS3 is S-tier and LS7 is A. The 3 is an incredibly balanced and reliable package, at a good price, with extreme potential and no fancy exotica. It's the LS of LSs. The LS7, while awesome, really does blow up too much to be S-tier, IMO.
I have a LS6 C5 Z and it's bullet proof. It should have gotten an A in my book. Of course I changed out the valve springs but no issues at all at 70K miles.
@browningbelgium2326 ehhh I have a c5z as well but let's be honest it was just a little better version of the LS1.
@@fellippegalletta6827 I think it's more like ranking the US E36 M3 higher than the Euro-spec. One is a cooler, more exotic engine, but the other is 80% of the way there for 1/10th the money and is bomb-proof. Like I said, I think the LS3 is the LS of LSs. The LS is great because it's an awesome compromise of cost, reliability, and performance. I'd argue that no engine ever made in the history of the planet does all that better than the LS3. I think the LS7 gives up too much in the first two for what it gains in the latter to be S-tier. A-tier still makes it one of the all-time greats. If it was genuinely unreliable then I'd knock it way down.
Also, exotic? If we're looking for exotic, then the last thing I'm after is a 500hp LS. It may be an awesome motor, but eventually you'll get tired of being rolled on by junkyard-turbo 5.3s and K-swapped Miatas.
No LSA or 32 Valve Terminator? 😢
I tried to keep the vid a reasonable length, but those are two great ones for sure. If I revisit this ever I’ll be sure to include them. Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel
Chevy dominates the top
Not going to lie, I was worried you wouldn't give the Hellcat the respect it deserves. That supercharger whine lives in my dreams. There are days where I still can't believe I have a TRX because I never in my wildest dreams imagined owning a 100K+ vehicle. Never give up on your dreams folks. Hard work pays off.
Congrats that’s incredible. Reaping the rewards of your labor is the best feeling. As for the hellcat, I can’t stop smiling every time I hear or see one. Thanks for watching!
Nice list, mine would personally look a little different but there are so many ways to rank these. It just depends on what your needs are/what you're looking for in an engine
Nailed it, I wish I had made that clearer. Thanks for watching!
Loved this, I would absolutely love to see one of these over the older motors, small blocks, big blocks, winsdors, etc. That era of cars was so good.
It’s been highly requested so I might just have to make it happen. I’m happy to hear you enjoyed the video, welcome to the channel!
@@running2redline hell yeah
@@running2redlineI’m sure I’m one of many to tell you this but you forgot quite a lot of v8s. The Chevy vortex 8100
The north star 4.6l
The Oldsmobile 4.0
The ls4 fwd v8
The 90s lt1
The 5.7 continues to be a sleeper and I love it. I’ve had 3 vehicles with it and the 6.4. Even though the latter was the most powerful I’ve had, my current 5.7 Jeep has been more enjoyable. After modding it, I’m making Jeep SRT power. One could ask why I didn’t get an SRT in the first place, but that wouldn’t be much fun. The 5.7 platform is great for building up which is why I would’ve had it in the B or even A tier
The 5.7 is a sleeper because it is in fact asleep.
what mods do you have? I have a corsa exhaust and corsa CAI right now.
@@Theedd9991 you lost all credibility with your question...a true car enthusiast knows that speed isn't everything. Doesn't matter if you have the fastest car in your city...there will always be someone faster than you. I couldn't care less about all of that. The purpose of my build is to satisfy me and no one else.
@@Jeepers2023 JLT Performance cold-air intake system,
JLT Performance passenger side air-oil separator,
Kooks Headers 1.750” primary OD long-tube headers with high-flow catalytic converters
OEM Dodge multi-layer steel exhaust manifold gaskets
COMP Cams Stage-2 HRT 273 camshaft
COMP Cams phase limiter
COMP Cams valve seats, valve seals, valve springs, valve retainers & locks
COMP Cams pushrods
COMP Cams non-MDS lifters
OEM Hellcat engine oil pump
@@marqj301 very nice. ive thought one day maybe i’ll supercharge mine but not sure yet. i have a warranty still so i won’t go too crazy.
Did you get her tuned? dyno? thats amazing bro👊
I think you should’ve done the 4.6L 4V Supercharged Terminator V8 that was in the 2003/04 SVT Cobras because that was the granddaddy that became the 5.4L Condor and 5.8L Trinity. Also, there are differences between the voodoo and the predator, the predator went back to a cross plane crank and was built in a stronger block. The voodoo had two generations of engine. The first generation was pretty problematic and the fact that it had very bad oil consumption problems that they worked out later on with the generation two video that came in the 2019 and 2020 Shelby, GT 350s. However, just my take I believe you should’ve put the Terminator Eaton Supercharged 4.6L 4V DOHC engine one of your Ford engines.
My 97 cobra has a 4.6 4v as well.
Agreed! The terminator was basically americas Supra. It had forged internals for the factory you could throw a bunch of boost at them before cracking them open. That car helped put 1320 video on the map
I’ve had a 5.7 Hemi & an old school 6.1 Hemi both in different Chargers, that 6.1 was fantastic
Yes my apologies for no 6.1. I’d say it’s A tier worthy, great engine and I’m glad you enjoyed yours
Awesome video, the breakdown was great! A German V8 tier list would be really cool to see for your next project
That’s a great idea! It seems this might become a series with various types and producers of engines. Glad you enjoyed and thanks for watching.
The LS9 has it all! Small size easy to swap, forged crankshaft, TITANIUM German Pankel connecting rods, FORGED Mahle pistons, Titanium intake valves with great heads that don't have the rocker arm issues the C6 LS7 has....Best OEM hardware of the entire group.
I know Dodge really only has 3 current engines but there's 4 3rd gen Hemi's and there's the early and later versions that are actually quite different from one another. For the 5.7 you have the pre eagle (2003-2008) and the eagle hemi (2009-present). The pre eagle hemi makes 345hp and 375lbft where as the eagle hemi makes 370hp and 395lbft in the Challengers, Chargers and 300's but makes 395hp and 407lbft in the Ram trucks and Jeep SUV's. The eagle hemi also comes with VVT in the cars. Then we get into the 6.1 Hemi (2005-2010) it makes 425hp and 420lbft. It only came in the SRT8 Charger's, Challengers, 300's and Jeep Grand Cherokee's. Then we get into the 392 hemi (2011-present) which you covered well, but in the cars it has the codename "apache" refering to it's cylinder heads vs the 5.7's "eagle" heads. And the cars will have 392 badging. But in the heavy duty trucks from (2015-present) they're just called the 6.4 Hemi gas engine, codename BGE which is stamped in the block which literally stands for "big gas engine." They make 410hp and 429lbft but Little known secret though, the BGE blocks are damn near identical to a hellcat block and have been proven to handle up to 2000hp. Different rotating assembly than the hellcat blocks, but they make for the best builder engines because they can be had at a fraction of the price of a hellcat block. Also the hellcat engines come in like 3 different current power configurations depending on the trim level for the cars and the vehicle they're in has to do with different power levels for different years. Plus they've made special versions of the engine like the 2018 Demon and the new Demon 170.
Imagine a BGE block with a 90mm stroke and DOHC. 8000 RPM safe and 700HP N/A; Basically just a bigger C8 Z06 motor at 6.1L. The real trick would be dropping the compression a bit and running a centrifugal. Probably hit 900HP and have one HELL of a sound. Just go hit up that one vid of the black C8 with a ProCharger.
Can't forget the hellephant too
gen 2 coyote definitely deserves A tier with the gen 3. they’re just as capable as a gen 3 in my opinion
Yes and gen 2 has no direct injection crap
@@mustbefast9923 exactly
Gen 2 is KING. No bbq tick issues like the gen 3, no cam phaser issues like the gen 3, stronger rods than the gen 1, same valve springs as the Boss 302 roadrunner for higher rpm. Its just a stronger, more powerful version of the gen 1 without the reliability issues of the gen 3. Also responds to boost just as well as a Gen 3. Sorry but this video is incredibly inaccurate with the coyote rankings.
@@f8widescat392you only say this bc you got your mopar at 27% apr for 40 years and you think your getting a steal. Or did one gap you with just e and a few bolt ons
@@f8widescat392You’re delusional lol but I get it most mopar meat riders especially scat meat riders are upset scats and Rts are not even close to coyote powered mustangs when it comes to records or overall potential. Y’all just brag “bUT sToCk” if you wanted a boring stock car should’ve bought a Prius
Thanks for the breakdown!
Great video on the basics of the American V8
After ford dropped the cast iron block in the gt500 in 2010, I think the 2011-2012 gt500 deserves a bit of shine. They made a decent amount of power but that engine actually has stronger rods than the 13-14 Trinity engines and is a better platform for making big power. Good list!
Just got my first 5.7 Hemi and Im lovin it lol. Solid and puts down enough power to satisfy. Cant wait to mod it and add a little more
Sounds great, as long as you enjoy it that’s what matters. Good luck with the build!
This is what I needed today😁
They have sold more 5.7 and 5.0s than any other motors
A 5.7 hemi sounds crazy deep with a magnaflow catback on it. Do you prefer a slightly higher pitch V8 or a really low sounding one?
I can appreciate both for sure, but my personal preference is probably more aligned with the higher pitched exotic sounds (from watching F1 my whole life). Just checked out a video with a magnaflow on the 5.7, and that does sound superb! Thanks for watching
I would move the LT1 to the A tier but other than that I can agree with this list
I agree I would move the LT1 up to A .. it’s a great engine and I love it in my grand sport
Honorable mention to the Ford 7.3 diesel. Maximum reliability because it didn't make enough power to hurt itself and avoided emissions control. I also just love an old diesel knock/clatter. Turbo, tune, and pipes gives you a nice whistle, too.
He didn’t go over trucks, let alone diesels
The 7.3 mammoth is a petroleum engine
Love my Gen 3 Coyote,,after slapping on a Corsa sport cat back the sound is addicting!! Great video.
That has to sound incredible I love the coyote sound. Glad you enjoyed and welcome to the channel!
love this video, do many more of these, love it
Happy to hear that, it will certainly become a series!
I am a Mopar guy and I respect this tier list, and agree with most things on this tier list. However you forgot to mention the Hellcat HO engine. This engine was first introduced in the Demon, and made 840 HP with race gas. And later put in cars such as the Challenger and Charger Redeye, and the Challenger Super Stock. This engine is a different variant of the Hemi HO/Hellcat motor because of different internals and supercharger. I would bring up the other variant that is used in the Demon 170, how ever the car hasn't been sold to anyone yet, so we don't know the reliability. Good tier list!
Yes I did, I hoped that by putting the regular hellcat engine in S tier it would be inferred that all of those belong there as well. When it comes to the ultra high power V8s dodge seems untouchable. All phenomenal feats of engineering. I’m glad you enjoyed and welcome to the channel!
Considering all the variations of Chevy engines you listed it would not have taken much more effort to add one or two more HO Dodge engines since the are the highest output of all?
My dad has a 2019 Charger RT Scat Pack with the 392 Hemi V8 in it making 485 HP and 475 Ibs of Torque and man let me tell you its a blast to drive (especially for a 4500 Ibs sedan).
I can imagine, the scat packs are no joke!
@@running2redline They sure aren't brother
LS2 is also found on the 2005-2006 Pontiac GTO.
The LS2 was also found in the 2006-2009 Trailblazer SS. I’m not sure about putting it into a D tier the one in the Trailblazer SS was more stout there were Turbo Trailblazer SS’s running 9 second 1/4 mile times on stock engine blocks at 140+ mph.
And SAAB 9-7X aero, if I’m not mistaken.
Yah my boss has a 1000hp Trailblazer ss. It was a 10 sec car. He daily drive it lol in the 90-115 degree weather. I was surprised he didn't mention the ls2 being in the Trailblazer as well! The lq9 was great too and was chosen sometimes more than the ls2!
My 05 gto feels sad you didnt mention it comes with an ls2 =(
Great list, was a fun video
I did forget, that’s on me. Glad you still enjoyed and welcome to the channel.
@running2redline understandably so they are forgettable cars but that's why I love them so much haha
Have a great night bro!
I’m sure it’s a blast. I appreciate having you here!
You should have included the hot rod ability into the equation, Junk Yard LS's from trucks are pretty good for budget builders. This includes the other makes as well
I know of a lot of people running LM7’s with the stock bottom end and making 1000 hp numbers. The ls platform is truly a step up from the old small blocks and big blocks. Still got love for them but the ls is a great platform.
The GM 455 from the 73-74 firebird and GSX is my personal vote for #1
I’m definitely a huge ford fan and seeing that you’re a Chevy guy and giving quite a bit of praise to Fords engines, I certainly have mad respect for you and your video. Great video man 🤙🤙🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed! Ford has been at it a long time, they’ve figured out quite a lot and have made some great ones.
Great video and I personally agree with most of your choices on how to rate them.
However, the 2005 ford gt 5.4 is an entirely different animal then the 5.4 which was in the 07 gt500.
Probably the only thing they have in common is displacement.
The ford gt 5.4 was an all aluminum, dry sump, rock solid built bottom end, racecar engine. This motor came from the factory with the ability to easily withstand 1000hp. The supercharger was a lysholm twinscrew unit, superior to the eaton roots blower on the 07 gt500.
This absolute unit of an engine definitely deserves to be in the top tier also.
Glad you enjoyed, and yes the GT engine is utter insanity, definitely top tier. Didn’t know that about the supercharger that’s really intriguing. Thanks for the info and welcome to the channel!
@running2redline I hate to geek out and fanboy out on that motor so much, but i remember when it debuted I ate up every magazine and info about the car I could get my hands on.
I remember on the old forums reading about bone stock Ford gt's putting down 530 plus rear wheel hp bone stock. The 550hp rating was definitely under rating it or the midengine design made it have very little parasitic loss. Maybe it was a combination of those two things...?
But thanks for the content!
Geeking out on these things is what brings us together, I’m just as passionate. The reduction of parasitic loss is for sure a player, crank vs wheel was probably much closer. I’m glad you enjoyed
69 ZL1 427, LS6 454, Boss 429, SOHC 427, 427 FE, 428 SCJ, 426 Wedge, 426 Hemi, 440 6 Pack, and the 455 HO, just for honorable mention.
Don"t forget the w30 455 also
I think any GM Big Block, Most GM Small Blocks also deserve recognition.
U struck gold with this video….. congrats
I’m glad you liked it, welcome to the channel!
Damn dog that ls2 placement hurt lmao. The balancer failing having that wobble happens on ls2 and ls3’s. In my experience I’ve replaced them on both motors about the same about of times.
My ls2 was at 150k miles with tracks days but I’m rebuilding it for a stroker
I own an LS2 vette rn and I love the engine, but it has 36k miles and is on its third balancer (not OEM now). So that came from my personal experiences, but yours may be entirely different and much better. Hopefully the video was still entertaining, thanks for watching and welcome to the channel.
@@running2redline don't get me wrong I loved the video to!
-oh my god man 3rd balancer???? that's insane did i hope you went with an ATI balancer. i changed mine when doing my cam at 110k miles, very slight wobble. which makes me think they weren't installed right or something isn't sound in your motor.
Glad to hear that! Yes I went ATI lol. The previous owner made the brilliant decision to go OEM a second time, which I think is why it happened again.
All the ls style engines have balancer issues. I had a 6.0 gas 2500 that went bad and currently have a c5z in the shop getting an ati.
@@running2redlinebut the Ls3 and Ls1 have the same balancer issue, i had to replace my c5 ls1’s balancer at 96k miles
6.4 might be better stock for stock then the 5.7 but the 5.7 is better to build
Yes sir!!! Still driving my Sonic Blue 03 Mustang GT representing the 2 valve 4.6L
It deserves every bit of a spot. After owning several of these they are just reliable and super easy to fix. I can do chains, tensions and guides on a Saturday.
Glad you enjoyed, your car sounds great! Welcome to the channel.
I grew up listening to big American V-8s in the 1950s, 1960s and early 1970s, so I understand their allure. I think this list looks very good for more recent V-8 engines. Thank you for your thoughtful comments about them.
I’m glad you enjoyed the video and appreciate the comment. I’ll be redoing this video at some point to include the older stuff as they’re too good to leave out!
Hmm, I mostly agree. But the voodoo was filled with issues due to the flat plane crank rattling the engine to death, meanwhile the predator is capable of holding 1200 WHP reliably from the factory. I’d switch those two, and then I’d agree 💯.
I agree with you. My thoughts exactly
Yeah that engine creates the worst of both crossplane and flatplane into one crankshaft in order to maintain the ability to fire at odd intervals for the unique uneven headers, allowing for that grumbly flatplane sound everyone (except me) loves.
It really just had oil starvation issues in the 2015/16 years because of the oil filter coming loose from techs not paying attention to the torque specs and the 17/18s had oil consumption issues but other than that they're solid
Also the GT500 doesn't have that flat plane crank. And the GT350 got a motor revision in 2019 so it holds boosted applications and doing both boost and NA reliably
@xLightning16x there is a GT500 KR (King of the Road) version that does feature the Voodoo Flatplane but supercharged like the standard GT500 engine. It makes 900 something horsepower, I believe.
This was amazing..🤔🤔
But the 4.6L terminator was NASTY💯💯💯
Glad you enjoyed, welcome to the channel!
Great summary
Thank you, glad to hear that!
This was a pretty good list, but I do wish you included a few more aspects and engines. Such as reliability, aftermarket, if the engine can hold down power, etc. Also wish you included some more Chevy truck engines, and more generations of different engines. Kind of strange how you had Coyote 1,2,3 but not the pre eagle 5.7 from dodge, eagle hemi, and beyond there, nor the 6.1 hemi
The 345 Hemi should have been one tier higher. Starting in 2018 they sounded great. Also you left out the Demon engine and the Redeye engine. Both S tiers.
Demon and redeye engines are both still the high output hemi 6.2.
He shoulda reviewed non eagle and eagle head hemi 5.7’s but as for the 6.2, all dodge did was tune them up and add better parts here and there but that demon 170 motor is something completely different that I’d like to know more of
Missed so many but it would be a huge list would love to see a mega list
Ford
2000 svt cobra r 5.4
Boss 302/429
460
351windsor/Cleveland
03/04 terminator 4.6
Godzilla 7.3
427 side oiler
428 cobra jet
289
Flat head
Chevy
350
396
427
454
502
572
Dodge
340
383
426
440
429 boss
429scj
Yes, just didn’t want the video or be multiple hours long lol. But since it’s been requested so much, I might have to make one on a lot of the older engines as well.
I argue LS3 should be S tier. For the price of a brand new one, the power it can produce with stock internals, and for getting so many people into cars.
Currently have a 5.7 but im debating between a 2ss or a scatty for my next car. Any advice to make my decision easier?
I personally would go 2ss for versatility, less weight allows for slightly better all around performance IMO, and I believe the 2ss will be cheaper with lower mileage. I am a big Chevy advocate though so admittedly quite biased there. Good luck, I think either would be tons of fun!
Hellcat engine is legendary. Such an amazing motor and that blower sound is insane 🔥🔥🔥🔥
You forgot to talk about the 5.3 LS4, one of the most underrated ones out there
I’ve mentioned this in a few other comments, but I stuck to the highest production volume engines to keep the video a reasonable length. Thanks for watching
I was so hurt when he skipped it
@@running2redlineMan the 5.3 is one of Chevy’s best engines. Literally bulletproof.
As a GM kind of guy who doesn’t like OHC engines, I will say those 3V were pretty great for reliability and responded well to performance upgrades. If you tapped the threads for the spark plugs, the engine was super great after that once you stop blowing plugs. Definitely A-tier worthy.
Ram TRX launching from a dig with that sc whine coming at you then exhaust sounds once it passes is pure Murica
Good video. I got deep into F-bodies for a long time; but, never got one. By the time I had the means to afford one and the insurance, my tastes moved on to another platform. This list caught me up on the motors when I fell out of love with GM.
If you ever remade this video, I'd want to know more about each engine's issues problems. Hell, I wonder if you could make an entire channel about each series motor and all the problems they have. Would be good for anyone wanting to get a car second hand. There is a ton of info I wish I knew before I bought my Audi S4.
Good suggestion thank you. Audi S4 is a great car as well. Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel
From a f body to Audi hell of a jump . Love f body’s cheap and easy to make go fast
@@racingjunk7024 Yeah but I aged from 15 to 35 in between lol. It's got 4 doors, an Audi Exclusive blue color, AWD, supercharger and a 6-speed 😁😁 I figured it's a little more adult.
@@RUclipsHandlesAreStupidhe only problems with Audis are reliability and repair cost.
The 5.7 hemi makes more power in truck form. The intake and exhaust on the charger and challengers are smaller then the rams. In truck form it's makes 395hp and 410ftlbs.
It also makes 1400hp with the dragpack. Definitely should be top teir given it has 4 different forms
@@SRT_VILLAIN right....but that's not the same 5.7 found in the road cars and the drag pack isn't road legal.
I think this vid is very informative but where would u rank the 5.3 V8 that is in the SS Monte Carlo/Impala ?
Probably mid to upper end of B tier, not incredible in terms of performance, but they are indestructible. Never heard any reliability faults with them. I’m glad you enjoyed and thanks for watching!
the ls9 certainly deserves an S tier spot because of the ridiculousness of the titanium and forged parts inside the motor, and a very impressive power figure for 10 years ago.
The 5.7 Hemi can take a lot before failure and I think it's a good engine but as someone that has a 6.2 that makes around 850 horsepower with very little effort I think it's obvious which one I'd rather have.
I’m currently building a 5.7 for na street use and find that with there wild headflow they should respond very well to any sort of cam upgrade as the cam can’t keep up with the cylinder heads at 5900+ rpm
Oh hell yeah!!!
@@soggywaffles5202
He said "wild headflow" 🤣🤣
OH HELL YEAH!!!!
Well if it was only about "Sound" that made an engine top tier, this would be close. As a rebuilder for over 40 years, I give props to both the LS/LT and Coyote platforms. The bottom ends are bulletproof and can absorb high RPMs and loads of power. But if I was ranking the best all time engines, it would also include the Ford 427 FE, The Toyota 2JZ, The Chevy DZ302, The Ford 300 Six, The Chevy 3.8 Six, and older Subaru EJ20 series.
The Chevy 3.8 V6 is legendary in its durability. Get one that has a supercharger and you have a total stealth vehicle.
@@norwegianblue2017 not a chevy designed engine...... its actually an old BUICK! v8 with 2 holes cut off
@@kainhall Right, meant to say GM.
We need more top-notch modern Inline 6s
bmw b58 beat them all in power for efficiency
Why nothing before 97, awesome video either way. Maybe do a classics. Really love these videos.
Will likely do that in a separate video. I couldn’t go all the way back without the video being super long, so I tried to keep it consumable.
I was hoping to see more older v8s but other than that very respectable list
Yes I will likely do a separate video. I wanted to keep the length down. I’m glad you enjoyed and thanks for watching!
I agree with everything except the lt4 a nd lt5 , I think they should be s tier 👍🏼
Nice list overall, I definitely would have added in the legendary 4.6L 4v, from the SVT Cobra/Mach1 (Cobra one modified from factory) . 2v and 3v were great reliable engines, and imo fantastic sounds, but definitely lackluster for power.
I probably should have, seems a lot of people wanted to see those, might have to do one on older engines. Glad you enjoyed and welcome to the channel.
Truth. John Mihovetz has gone 5.88 @ 250mph on 4.6 4V that was entirely oem parts minus the rods/pistons/, oil pump, and gaskets.
Absolutely the king for oem
@@running2redline I could definitely see you making a "Classic V8s" lisr or something along those lines, I think it could do well.
I have been watching some of your C6 videos, as I'm hoping to be able to get one within the next couple years, but they just keep climbing up here in Canada lol
I’m for sure thinking I should, it’s been requested a ton. And thank you for being a returning viewer, I’m happy to hear that. If you’re thinking of a C6 for sure do it! I just bought my 2005 a few months back and have no regrets. I think the secret is out how good their value is right now, so they should hold or slightly appreciate too.
@@running2redlineit’s not really that old compared to some of the others. The LS1 5.7 is easily 7 years older than the terminator 4.6 4V
in terms of reliability and the ability for the motor to be upgraded, the gmc 5.3l is a really good motor, it's a pretty rock solid motor.
4.6 Vic owner here, yes we’re slow but, reliable and sounds great, that D rating was un-called for
It’s not a bad engine, just rating it relative to everything else here. If you enjoy it that’s all that matters, I am just a random dude on the internet lol. Hope you still enjoyed the video!
You forgot the red headed stepchild of the LS family, the LS4. Weakest of the LS platform by far, but nevertheless it was used in a ton of GM models.
This is true. Just didn’t want the video to be super long, so focused on the major ones. Welcome to the channel
04 GXP has it and it’s a amazing motor for the car shame the transmission sucks
Great video. I’d like to see a German or Japanese v8 tier list made next
Glad you enjoyed, and yes I’d love to make this a series. There’s so many engines to unpack and as long as people enjoy it I’ll try to make it happen
6.1 hemi, reliable tons of power and sounds awesome. Granite I have a $10k exhaust but I love it. I have a 1 in 500 color challenger 6.1 and wouldn’t trade it for anything
Yes I should’ve included the 6.1, probably would’ve been in A tier for me. However your particular car with that exhaust sounds really neat. What is the color?
Not only does the Voodoo engine have an amazing sound, It screams that sound at 8200RPM
It’s completely bonkers. Thanks for watching
I think you missed a great opportunity on the Terminator engines in the 03-04 Cobras. It was so good, the lead engineer lost his job. I’d consider it the ancestral father to every modern factory supercharged performance platform in America.
I completely agree, S tier worthy no doubt. Hope you enjoyed and welcome to the channel
I have a gen 1 coyote in my 2013 f150, and its been treating me great so far, pretty quick, runs like a clock and has very little engine noise and is very smooth, IDK if you have one but you should do a video of their old school engines, engines with carbs and distributors on them
Pretty fair, good job
The 330 Modular you put in the B tier is kind of underrated. The configuration they had it for the 2005/2006 Ford GT is actually very reliable and can get on the power very quickly. The base block is also bullet proof, someone actually was able to modify that motor on the base block up to almost 3000hp without sleeving or boring, and the mad lad daily drives it, which is pretty darn impressive.
Yes, did rate it only off of the GT500 version, in the ford GT it’s a completely different monster, that surely would see it higher up. I didn’t know that about the base block, but that’s wildly impressive. Thanks for watching
@@running2redlineyes and also there was a ford gt with it were they switched it to turbos and it went 310mph yes mph on a stock block and the car still had an interior and tags
Being a MOPAR guy, the 5.7L Hemi and the 6.1L (the 1st generation of the Gen IIIs?) were left off the list.
Stock these are over looked, BUT with the swap of the "Eagle" heads of the new 5.7 Hemis, they light up. If you are hotrodding an older car with a modern MOPAR engine, this is the way to go. (Unless you go Hellcat ...)
I would rank the original base 5.7l over the new base 5.7l for pure mod-ability sake, even if it makes less power in stock form. (340, 345 and 350)
Yeah, definitely more of a chevy guy but the 5.7 seems to be overlooked a lot, its a fantastic engine
I prefer the new 5.7 over the 6.4 honestly. It’s fairly fast, WAY cheaper, and IMO sounds way way better than the 6.4. I’ve owned both and I can say for the price I’m much more pleased with the 5.7 and that exhaust note is better than I could get with the 6.4.
I’ll add that I had an SRT grand Cherokee and then an RT Durango. The SRT was definitely faster when timed 0-60 but it just didn’t feel near as sporty as the RT Durango does
Also forgetting the 4.7l, 318, 360, 440, and the God father 426
Well done list
Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed
I can’t get over the 5.2 liter voodoo in the Gt350 the sound is the definition of perfection, perfection.
You should do a vid with vintage american engines such as the sbc, windsor, 454, and c4 zr1 lt5
That would be a lot of fun, might have to. Thanks for watching
Yup the ZR1 LT5 in my opinion is the best engine GM has made
@@teaser874 If i had mad money i would swap one into my fiero for a "period correct-ish" GM supercar
You forgot the 6.1 L hemi in the srt8
Indeed I did. That’s a great engine though, thanks for watching
HAHA the first bit with the mustang pulling toward the crowd is awesome.
The terminator being left off this list is an absolute SIN that engine set the standard of what we have today
Completely true, my mistake. Stuck to newer stuff to keep the length down, but glazed over it. Belongs in S tier though, amazing especially for that time period. Welcome to the channel
6.1L HEMI was left out. Solid B (IMO) due to its power and the amount of vehicles it went into. It’s still used today over the 5.7L because of its larger bore, 4.055”, and ease of aftermarket parts/interchangeability
Yes my mistake. I’d say A or B as well very respectable engine. Hope you enjoyed!