Top 5 Reasons Language Classes SUCK!

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  • Опубликовано: 22 окт 2024

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  • @rafaelsadias94
    @rafaelsadias94 7 лет назад +69

    I totally agree because I'm currently learning English and my school is not that good at least in my opinion. Almost everything that I learned was only by myself and there are so many things to improve .

    • @gaybowser7756
      @gaybowser7756 4 года назад +5

      Well, you clearly taught yourself well. Congratulations.

    • @Nikita35485
      @Nikita35485 3 года назад

      Yeah, me too.

  • @ma88ie5
    @ma88ie5 4 года назад +17

    I agree, i learned english because of multiplayer video games with strangers and setting all my social medias into english
    Right now im learning german and I have 2 everyday friends who speak german as their main languages so its really helping.

  • @derpydayha
    @derpydayha 7 лет назад +21

    #3 is interesting to me. I live in Canada so I took French from grade 4 to 9. I learned lots of vocab but I think I learned like, 2 types of conjugations despite that being (in my opinion) by far the most difficult thing about French as a native English speaker. It made no sense to me, by grade 9 they wanted us to be speaking only using French in French class but there was no way we could do that.

  • @zamilthankyou8839
    @zamilthankyou8839 4 года назад +9

    Speaking is the essence of any language, and for that you need to listen a lot too. You raised good points here.

  • @renatawhitakerroge1853
    @renatawhitakerroge1853 7 лет назад +18

    That's really interesting!! I'm a private language teacher, I'm always looking for ways to make my classes more interesting and relevant, and I'm taking this video as a list of tips on how to improve hahaha
    I've been trying to get all my students to download Anki or another SRS, but they don't always get along with it (many are older people and not very tech savvy). Still, I show them how it works and as homework they have to create the cards and practice. I also try to get as much authentic material as possible and to do all activities orally so as to focus more on speaking.
    However, there's also the problem that people are less and less willing to pay well for language classes and crafting a good class that isn't based on a text book takes a lot of work and time. For a crappy pay it's understandable many teachers aren't able to put as much into planning a lesson with lots of authentic material, for example, since it takes a looooot of time to do it. :-/

  • @kovenantliby1996
    @kovenantliby1996 3 года назад +6

    I'm fluent in Arabic now after studying it for four years in undergrad and then spending a year abroad... and this super resonated with me!!!

  • @gabrea1
    @gabrea1 5 лет назад +17

    Spent a decade learning Mandarin. Still get Fs.

  • @hotrodjones74
    @hotrodjones74 7 лет назад +4

    I agree with you fully! My Russian classes at university were pretty good, but I had to do a lot of extra work outside of class to master the language. My professors did provide a good amount of opportunities to speak.

  • @ronlugbill1400
    @ronlugbill1400 3 года назад +1

    Language classes in school tend to teach what they can easily teach and what can be graded. So, it is grammar and verb conjugations and vocabulary lists and memorizing dialogues. I am a language teacher and I am trying to innovate but it feels like swimming upstream. I am sort of clandestinely throwing out the lame school curriculum and innovating. I am supposed to teach the unit vocabulary instead of the most common words in the language. I use some authentic materials, such as a French cartoon show, French songs, and also do daily reading, writing, and speaking practice with a partner. And lots of common high frequency vocabulary learning and Glossika for pronunciation and Hello Talk for language exchanges. But some students have behavior issues or learning disabilities or simply don't sleep enough at night to be ready to learn at school or they have no interest in learning French. And my school has an every other day schedule so the kids have French less than 90 days per year minus sick days, doing various activities, school assemblies, etc.

  • @charlesbowen9019
    @charlesbowen9019 7 лет назад +18

    You teach Chinese. I wish I could see your methods for teaching the language.

  • @JaredGimbel
    @JaredGimbel 7 лет назад +12

    That said, I would think that you're probably emphasizing mass classes rather than one-on-one learning sessions. In my opinion one-on-one learning sessions actually can AVOID at lot of the problems that you speak of.
    I think one glaring issue is the fact that the language classes you speak of tend to focus more towards testing culture rather than getting people to talk or understand.
    Also, how many classes have I been that use listening but use a slowed-down learnerese that isn't even natural for toddler cartoons? What I do in my classes, especially in the Scandinavian Languages which have high learning curves in pronunciation, is that I pronounce it once in learnerese and again in the way I would actually say it to a fluent or native speaker. I also emphasize the fact that I alone do not make people fluent in an L2, you have to put most of the effort in yourself whether it be to the Temple to Cantonese or the Temple to Norwegian we spoke about one time. :)
    My experience in Latin classes were all too similar, sadly. Speaking as the holder of a Classics degree.

    • @rpg9392
      @rpg9392 7 лет назад

      From merriam-webster:
      Definition of class: a body of students meeting regularly to study the same subject.
      ...*students*... student*s*...

    • @ariinbeijing
      @ariinbeijing  7 лет назад +5

      Jared Gimbel yeah, 1x1 tutoring is a completely different beast than a class and with a good teacher like yourself is an incredible way to level up!

  • @Nikita35485
    @Nikita35485 3 года назад +1

    2:00 - my best listener is walls in my room! 🤗🤗🤗

  • @leeshaoloung7302
    @leeshaoloung7302 4 года назад +2

    You cannot compare studying Latin to studying a modern language. The only way to study Latin is through a textbook and a classroom teacher since it is no longer a spoken language. Listening and speaking through immersion is good if you want to speak the language only; but to learn how to read and write you definitely need a language class.

    • @jordandavis6709
      @jordandavis6709 4 года назад +2

      Lee Shao Loung I respectfully disagree. I learned how to read chinese characters and the Thai alphabet on my without a classroom. It can be done.

  • @shayolinparker2934
    @shayolinparker2934 Год назад

    I studied Japanese for 2 years in college. I was frankly really bad at it and still am, but since I read slower and had trouble speaking/listening my professor would never call on me. She would call on the people who were already good at those things. So it created this endless cycle where the people getting called on got better and better and students like me had very little progress

  • @fsdhdfgh
    @fsdhdfgh 3 года назад +2

    I spent 7 years learning German. Still don't understand a single word -_- And the cool thing is that i got all As but I just do not understand when people talk

  • @Digifan001
    @Digifan001 2 года назад

    Best way to learn languages : set your games, phone, operating system in your target language.Watch movies and shows in that language, preferably with subtitles. First, go with something easy like cartoons for kids.After a while your mind will see the patterns.At first glance it will be frustrating, but you must let the words and phrases to flow. Don't try to understand every word, with time you will get better. I've learned 0 English from school. I have no ideea about grammar. I speak and write as it sounds good to me. Just don't beat yourself up.

  • @ma88ie5
    @ma88ie5 4 года назад +2

    title: the student that blames the teacher for not teaching well
    content: actual facts

  • @charlesbowen9019
    @charlesbowen9019 7 лет назад +1

    I do post videos on Facebook where I practice speaking Chinese sentences. If you have the time and want to see these videos, I would welcome any constructive criticism. 谢谢

  • @rpg9392
    @rpg9392 7 лет назад +3

    top of the mornin' to ya

    • @ibarix
      @ibarix 7 лет назад +1

      bottom of the mornin'

  • @milossiljko6819
    @milossiljko6819 5 лет назад +1

    and what abut reading? Is it help in at all in process for better and faster to become fluent?

    • @smudge8882
      @smudge8882 4 года назад

      Depends on your fluency goals. If you are only concerned with reading, that will definitely be an important thing to study, but if your goal is to be able to speak the language, focusing on reading won't help. Not to say it isn't important to practice reading, but the main issue is that in classroom settings, they'll often have you reading and writing before you can even pronounce the words. If this keeps up for a while, you're going to internalize the wrong pronunciation and it'll be harder to speak. If the language uses a phonetic writing system, that might be easier to introduce sooner, but especially for character based languages, it is best to learn the sound system fully before trying to read and write.

  • @literallyjustafuckingmagik3952
    @literallyjustafuckingmagik3952 6 лет назад +1

    Gotta love being failed when you have a very hard time learning a new language. Such a shitty education system tbh.

  • @barstoolandrew1421
    @barstoolandrew1421 7 лет назад

    Hey Sri! I'm learning mandarin through your tips, where can I find vocab lists so study? I want to use anki to study but I don't know where to find vocab words to study. Help!

    • @smudge8882
      @smudge8882 4 года назад

      Anki actually has a lot of pre-made study decks you can download. Maybe use a deck that is focused on the different HSK levels? HSK is the official Mandarin proficiency test that employers look for in China. Also, he had mentioned that using native listening practice is good, so you can use Viki Rakuten to help draw vocabulary from native-made Mandarin TV shows. Put it in learning mode and it'll give you both the Mandarin and English subtitles, as well as giving you definitions of each Mandarin word or character that you mouse over.

  • @tropicaljelly8665
    @tropicaljelly8665 2 года назад

    i just found your other channel lol

  • @shadowstrider23
    @shadowstrider23 4 года назад

    I'm taking spanish and it's really irritating. I can't even spell one damn name and the letters sound different from the spanish pronunciation we learned in class.

  • @TM-sb8tr
    @TM-sb8tr 4 года назад

    Need a link to Anki

  • @dejanmarkovic3040
    @dejanmarkovic3040 3 года назад +1

    As a formally educated English teacher (no, not that laughable celta and toefl nonsense, I mean properly educated), I'm all amped up to shit on this video, deconstruct his premise and just annihilate his argument with facts regarding language acquisition...BUT I haven't seen the video yet..I'll continue my comment after watching the whole video, but I have to say I can't help but anticipate him rambling about ''real-life language immersion'' and all that basic nonsense...and how a classroom environment is too sterile and not representative of the actual language..but let's see..oh no...he starts with the typical ''Wussup...'' and has the whole fancy, infantile intro for his channel...there's no way this is gonna make sense...yeah, alright....let's start:
    1. No spaced repetition...you're jsut making assumptions and clearly don't know anything about language didactics...google argument from ignorance, if the collocation isn''t already self-explanatory.
    2. Native speakers....well, I'm a non-native English speaker, my students are non-native Englsih speakers (clearly) and most of the people they speak English with are also non-native speakers....yes, it's beneficial to speak to native speakers with the standardized dialect, because you don't wanna adopt someone's regional dialect and speak like a peasant...especially given that you haven't naturally acquired this accent or dialect...also, an average person's education is...well, average...hence the term..so you can't really learn more complex vocabulary or sentence structure from them and you can also learn some thigns erroneously...I could go on, but let's see what number 3 is..no, actually, I wanna add that he is clearly a native English speaker, but his English is...modest and limited...he has the sentence structure and vocabulary od a 13yo girl...do you, like, wanna, like speak like English like a 13yo girl? I like didn't like think so.
    3. Yeah, he's right...but it's never enough vocabulary...we have designated words in every syllabus for every level from a1 to c2...it takes time..you can't just...learn the whole vocabulary of a language all at once...especially given that there are different function words that require certain sentence formation..so the advantage of a proper textbook and a teacher is that the lesson is structured, with a long-term vision of your gradual progress...you need to learn one thing in order to build on that...take for example this phrase ''in order to...''...if don't yet have a full grasp of the infinitive of purpose, what use is this phrase if they're gonna use a gerund after it?
    4. Yes, most textbooks are outdated at any given moment in time...in 2013, most textbooks were outdated, because only a few textbooks were released in 2012 and 13...in 2015, most textbooks were outdated for the same reasons...it's always gonna be like that...but that's only if you look at the purpose of textbooks unidimensionally...they're there to introduce you to universal traits of a language that don't really change every year...I mean, when you think of the current predominant way of speaking English, do you think a textbook would be representative of English if it had fuckin meme syntax? Yeah, the language student would be stupified and once he's learned that, if he goes on to use the language in an academic circle (which is something that doesn't occur to you at all throughout the video), they'll be ridiculed for metalinguistic reasons...
    Digression before no. 5: You can barely string a sentence together without hesitating..you just give up a sentence mid-way and start a new one...how is that beneficial to someone wanting to learn English? You're a kid...you speak like a kid...your diction, your phrasing and your logic are like those of a kid...because you are one..so show some humility and take this misinforming video down and go google the dunning-krueger syndrome.
    3:00 ...and and and like literallyyyyyy.....like literallyyyy...that's your most common choice of words...you speak a language with over 350k words and you narrow it down to and and and like literally...I bet you're one of those people that say things like ''This author/artist/whoeverthefuckin is like sooo underrated bruh''....
    OK, 5: It's all over the textbooks and it's not random, but purposeful...there are listening exercises for isolated sounds in words, as well as extensive, natural conversations between native speakers from all over the world...so yeah, whether it's cambridge, pearson, longman, whatever...most of them have brilliant listening exercises that include samples of British, American, Australian, Irish, South-African English...and all others....so when my students goes through a c2...actually, even c1 course with me...once they're done, they speak your language better than you do...ok, maybe not c1...at leaast not in terms of fluency...and yes, mostly due to not having been exposed to the language in the real world enough...but even with that conspicuous, hard, eastern-eurpoean accent still lingering in their v vs.w, r vs. rolled r etc., it's still....way more complex than your use of English, say, in this video...While I'm at it, I heard how you speak German, I heard you speak Spanish...it's laughable...you're like a toddler...I don't know for other languages because i don't speak them, but it sounds like the msot basic stuff to me...tell me, have you ever acquired a certificate above b1 for any language? Why do I take certificates as a measure of linguistic competence? Because they are exactly that, you presumptuous little prick.
    Ok, to sum up...your little triad there...it's just reductionist and lazy..have some respect for scientists..have some respect for more educated people, because their acquisition and conduct of English(I'm only speaking for English, because that's what I teach) is beyond comprehension to you...language is a phenomenon that requires analysis, just like any other science...just because you speak a language (which almost all humans do, unless they have some developmental issues or an injury in their Brocche's and Wernucke's are), that doesn't mean you know the first thing about learning a language...also, just because you've learned a few languages...not learned, as in acquired the knowledge, but learned as in you have been exposed to the language in a learning-oriented environment...that doesn't make you competent to make a video about language classes..just like me knowing that salt makes food delicious doesn't make me competent to talk about the properties of NaCl...
    Yes, I see this video has barely 300 likes and 6k views, but still...its potentially adverse effects on people learning a language are clearly unfathomable to you..so just take it down, kiddo..you don't know wtf you're talking about.
    Now, just to mitigate this comment..you are half-right about all of the points you make, but..the problem is in your clickbait title..the problem is you making these general assumptions, while it's only true from some classes, some teachers, some textbooks and not all...which is an important distinction, because you're talking about the minorty, based on your abjectly limited experience.
    Take it down.
    Take the video down.
    Delete it.
    Delete your channel.
    Improve your English.
    Acknowledge that speaking a language is a broad term and there are levels of competence in speaking a language and consequently, a limited number of areas where you can actually use it...for example, if you can use French to buy a fuckin croissant on the streets of Paris, it doesn't mean you should become a fuckin interpreter, does it?
    Edit: Oh, right..I've completely forgotten about the distinction between group lessons and 1-2-1 lessons..and personalized lessons and materials, which are advantageous beyond words compared to just going to a country and speaking to random people...lemme be more specific..I'm from Serbia...we are a nation of 7 mil. Yeah, that's it. Guess how many people are able to speak the standardized, grammatically correct Serbian? Maybe 30%...if you went to a random village, you'd think you're ''talking'' to a bonobo, rather than a human...do you wanna emulate that? I've seen videos of people ''speaking'' Serbian on youtube...that's not Serbian..that's a fragmented, rudimentary, broken version of it....and guess what - they applied your nonsense triad...listening-memorization-speaking..however, they listened to, then memorized and then spoke...a very shitty version of a language...why? Because they didn't have language classes, which you so presumptuously denigrate, as if you know the first thing about the didactic rules behind a structure of a course, let alone an isolated lesson.
    Yeah, I know, this is pretty elaborate..I guess you took the proverbial bullet for all those fuckin youtube troglodytes. To tell you the truth, I found out about you a few minutes ago through your video on how different languages sound to people who don't speak it..and I thought it was spot on..but that lead me to your other videos, which are....jfc...not only factually inaccurate, but also ..idk, all I know is I'm gonna make a video on all these ''Why language this and that'' videos and I'm gonna include this one...prepare to sue me for slander, cuz I'm gonna succinctly shit all over your channel with facts...rendering you unable to sue me, given that I'll only rely on facts..if I ever find the time and the amount of fucks to give to actually make the video...yes, this comment took about 20 minutes, tbh, but I was just having my coffee, listening to music and typing this an autopilot...and now that I'm more present, I'm asking myself ''Why bother?'', but since I've typed all this already, I'm just gonna leave it...I hope it actually makes you take down the video and think through the myopic arguments that you make here...

    • @Ping63ms
      @Ping63ms Год назад +1

      Thanks for the 10 page essay

  • @raidenstark315
    @raidenstark315 4 года назад

    That's why i study with private teachers

  • @ThomasSchick
    @ThomasSchick 7 лет назад +1

    我喜歡你的視頻

  • @ny6351
    @ny6351 6 лет назад +1

    👏👏👏👏

  • @ny6351
    @ny6351 6 лет назад

    👍👍👍👍

  • @dejanmarkovic3040
    @dejanmarkovic3040 3 года назад +1

    Reported for spam and misinformation.

    • @trapsenpai
      @trapsenpai 2 года назад

      hahaha it didnt get taken down! :P
      also, from my experience hes totally right

    • @Ping63ms
      @Ping63ms Год назад

      Salty