Hi OP, Another excellent review, you always brings us back to our childhood days with lots of memories and why we now love the Railways in real life and in model form. You are absolutely great to watch, you are so unique in the way you present the blog, even showing the Catalogue year of release and the price list they were in, when they released the item and then a great pickup and look all round the items in question, inside and out. Keep doing what you do Oscar and in the same way you present the blog. Alway a huge Thumbs Up 👍
Good morning Jamie, it's great to hear you are enjoying the videos. Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave these kind comments, it's hugely appreciated. Oscar
The coaches you were showing today are Hornby's 1st attempt at Gresley coaches. The ones they were replacing were there attempt at Thompson coaches! The othes on the same pages of the catalogue were Maunsell for SR, Period 3 for LMS and Collett for GWR, all inter war coaches to match the locos. They all had the same chassis and bogies, later, as you say, the Gresleys got Gresley bogies. They still make these coaches as part of their Railroad range and the main range has far more detail and accuracy, and little bits that can fall orff, especially the Gresleys! Great video, reminds me of when I was a kid with these trains. Keep it up. I await with anticipaion every week!
Definitely all change on the coaches at this point David. I think they were all quite well received at the time. It's amazing that these teak coaches have lasted this amount of time and still in one of Hornby's ranges. Great to hear you enjoyed the video. Thanks again for watching. Oscar
Oscar, another thought provoking enjoyable video. About 25 years ago I converted some of these coaches to North West Shortline H0 scale 42inch wheels on pinpoint axles. In 00 scale this scales to 36.8 inches. These solid wheels gave very good running on my club layout. The sound of these wheels combined with their good running qualities, due to the NMRA standards and RP25 wheel profile, combined with the close coupling design drew many favourable comments from a usually picky audience of club members. Downside of these wheels was that I immediately wanted to convert all my coaches to these wheels. With these wheelsets being insulated on only one side it would be easy to arrange low friction wipers on each axle to arrange pickup for lighting. Wipers on the axle, such as some phosphor bronze wire, can have much less friction than the R449 Coach lighting unit or wheel back or tread wipers due to lower speed of the axle. Lesson learned cleaning my rotating bicycle wheel at the hub compared to the rim. I am surprised the R449 remained in production as long as it did. Having a Tri-ang open axle box, high friction background I was always looking for means of keeping friction down in my model choices.
Good morning John sounds like you put these models to good use. It does seem like an odd choice by Hornby to pursue this high friction method of pickup for their new range of coaches at the time. As you say amazing the kit remained available for that period even more amazing the numbers produced 51800 full thirds and 42000 brake thirds 1970-71 and from what I've read! But these are numbers produced, numbers sold may well be very different. Sadly I've not come across that information. Thanks again for watching glad you enjoyed the video. Oscar
Always a treat watching your videos Oscar, although here in Aussie (NSW) it’s a windswept Sunday afternoon, rain bucketing down, yard flooded after recovering from hot days and bushfires over the past weeks!! What a way to relax to see your review of these coaches and lighting effects. When I look nowadays at the sophisticated electrics with model railways, I’m even more convinced Triang/Hornby Railways of that era were certainly innovative!!👍🏻
Hi Andrew, hope all is well down there in NSW sounds like your getting both extremes we have had some gales and flooding ourselves. They were doing their best to make the range interesting with what now seems like very limited technology as you say. Thanks for watching. Oscar
Hello Oscar. Well I did something different this week. I read all the comments first, 23 of them. It heightened my anticipation of what was to come. Once again I compared my coaches to yours. I had never noticed the bogie difference before. Only one of mine has the incorrect bogie and it has the black corridor ends and silver seal wheels. This one was made in England. Another. one made in England has plastic wheels with white rims and teak ends. The other two were made in China and have the newer style three hole wheels along with the teak ends. There are three distinctly different roof colours amongst them. My Flying Scotsman is a tender drive version. Thank you for another great Sunday morning video. Regards, David.
@@oscarpaisley I didn't even mention the two from my 2012 olympic limited edition set. (with an N2) Those ones are works of art compared to the older ones. Regards, David.
hi another great video.ibought a triang hornby flying sccotsman last oct for 30 pounds,brilliant saves paying over 80 pounds for a new one.will now get 2 coaches for it
Thank you Oscar for another enjoyable video. I've actually still got my rake of those style Gresley coaches with black ends that I bought back in 1978.. 2x brake, 3x Composite and a Sleeper. Not in original condition as I've given them a sepia wash and new metal wheels which helps them blend in a little for background with newer stock but not bad for 4O+ years old..
Excellent Video... Admittedly The Flying Scotsman is a favorite of mine (Hard for me though between the A1 or the A3 they are both wonderful looking locomotives). Thank you for sharing the Coaches and Locomotive.
Love these LNER coaches. I must get myself some of the Thompson ones too! Thank you for the video - I had no idea the earlier ones were so different. Gordon :-)
Hi Gordon, glad you enjoyed the video, I was surprised at the differences in the coaches over a relatively short period of time. Thanks for watching. Oscar
Another great video. John Menzies had a large store in Glasgow Buchanan Street that had a large toy dept in the basement . They had a large Hornby section from about 1974 to the time it shut , I think about 81/82 . There may have been other larger Menzies stores selling Hornby . But it was great as unlike model shops with everything behind glass cases the models were simply stacked on the shelves where you could go and examine box . I remember rows of loco boxes with the black insert line drawing , 2ps , Flying Scotsmen , Panniers all lined up . Lots of places to buy Hornby in Glasgow back then, only Hamleys now (and you’d need a second mortgage)
Hi, Russell thanks for the information. Sounds terrific with the boxes all stacked up and another destination to try out in the time machine when it's delivered... Thanks again. Oscar
Hi, Great video. You are certainly right about the drag caused by the lighting set. I used the pickups in conjunction with an LED lighting strip, bridge rectifier, resistor and stay alive capacitor for my DCC layout in a Hornby mk 1 composite coach with Silver Seal wheels. A waste of time. Now it is put aside whilst I look into alternative pick up methods.
Good evening Robert I was surprised at how much drag there was. When you push the plungers with your fingers there seems to be very little resistance, but then x4 for a single coach with the full kit fitted I suppose it all mounts up. Dread to think how a whole rake of coaches would behave. Great to hear you enjoyed the video thanks for watching Oscar
Incidentally the slight difference in colour finish between the Tri-ang & Hornby LNER coaches is probably pretty accurate. As David mentions below, the Tri-ang coaches with oval toilet windows are Thompson designs whilst the Hornby ones are Gresleys. Thompson was Gresley's successor and designed his coaches with steel side panels, whereas Gresley had used wood which was left varnished. So that the different coaches blended together when in the same train, Thompson painted his steel coaches in a 'faux-teak' colour to broadly match the varnished teak finish of the Gresley stock. Whether by accident or design, Hornby seem to have replicated this successfully! (Great video as ever - essential part of Sunday morning).
hi Oscar eddie from devon here a couple years ago i found a complete R179 flying scotsman train set on ebay for 65 quid it has three gresley coaches just like yours plus a station and level crossing the loco is in excellant condition i look at the driiving wheels same as you and they look like new once again congratulations for a wonderful video a very happy new year to you all the very best EDDY in devon
Hi, Eddy sounds like you got a great set on eBay for a terrific price. Glad to hear you are enjoying the videos, happy new year. Thanks for watching. Oscar
There is no better way to spend a Sunday morning. Watching Oscar's excellent videos while drinking morning coffee. Excellent! The coach lighting kit is an interesting bit of kit. But sadly I think they would have had better luck making something similar to what Tri-ang had offered earlier. A wiper on the steel axle would reduce the friction considerably. The plunger setup is akin to the Hornby OO days of years past. The issue would have been with the fitment of the bogies. They would have to have kept the rivet method of construction for the bogie attachment to the coach under frame to use a snap in wiper assembly. Lisa
Good evening Lisa, I think your right about pick up from the axle being a better solution plus a rethink on the design of the silver seal wheels. And definitely no square section axels! I think the early silver seal wheel could have been modified successfully but possibly too costly. I think they may have gone this way with the R.107 L.M.S. Brake Van with tail light of 1974 I will have to go and have a look. Thanks again for watching. Oscar
Wow Oscar, beautiful LNER teak coaches. I have the LNER R448, R477, and R478. And maroon LMS R474 and R475. Bought like new from Hatton's in January 2020. Wonderful coaches for their age. I paid 9 GBP for each coach.
Great to hear Norbert that you have these great coaches, as you say great for there time. Someone has mentioned in the comments below the LNER teak coaches are now part of the current Hornby Railroad Range but at around 24 GBP Thanks again for watching. Oscar
I always think of 1977-78 as being a time when Hornby really stepped up a gear in terms of what they offered the more serious railway modeller. I remember thinking that the 1978 GWR King class was wonderful at the time. :)
Good morning I think you’re right in the later 70s that seems to been massive investment and a new focus from Hornby with a great many new models which today might look quite toylike. But looking back represents quite a step forward in technologies and detail. I think the will to improve detail and accuracy for modellers was probably there within the company in the very late 60s and early 70s but the financial climate at the time prevented the type of product development we saw in the later 70s. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it hugely appreciated. Oscar
A nice video Oscar, thanks for making it. I have two of the early ones and about ten of the later ones. I know you like to keep your collection in as-manufactured condition. I have enhanced my ones using Citadel Seraphim SepiaToner and then I used a gloss Lacquer to finish them off. They do look a lot better. Hornby brought out another version of them, but although the Teak effect was better. It looked like the whole side had been made out of one sheet of teak. The lastest ones look really great, but at a price that is beyond my budget. I hope to change all the wheels over to the ones you have, some of mine have them and some do not. I wish i knew which ones are to scale. Gresley coaches were longer than other makes. 61.6 inches if I remember rightly. Martin (Dhaka, Bangladesh.)
Good morning Martin, sounds like you have made great improvements to your coaches. I know what you mean about the later ones looking like they were stamped out of one sheet, the effect did not quite work to 00 scale and look quite odd. Thanks again for watching. Oscar
Thanks for a very enjoyable video this week Oscar seeing your layout in all of its glory is always treat. The lighting kit sounds like a great idea but I can't help thinking that having to take the coach apart would lead to some disappointment, I have a Trix scale model coach with lighting the roof is removable to change the bulbs a much better idea.
Good evening Peter, glad you enjoyed the video. I think they are great fun these coaches with a lot of character and pretty good running for the period, the start of smother running models to come. Thanks again for watching. Oscar
I had a pair of the Maunsell coaches form the same era coupled up to an SR livereied M7 from the Local Passenger Set (how I wish I still had THAT!) I used the coach lighting setup as extra pickup rather than just for lighting and it worked very well. I don't recall the braking effect that much, but I only had one set of contacts fitted rather than 2. Loved the long shopts and the double headed setup, now I really ought to be restoring a Seuthe fitted Britannia and fitting the South Wales Pullman headocde and not watching videos:-)
Good morning Andrew, great idea using as an extra pick. The instructions indicate that using two pick-ups is to prevent the lights flickering! However, it does go on to point out that they will probably over points and diamond crossings and is essential to keep both track and plungers clean to reduce the effects of flickering. The Britannia with headboard sounds great. It's a shame they did not make a range of head and name boards. Thanks again for watching. Oscar
Maybe worth repeating the rolling down the hill/gradient test with just one set of plungers, the lights should still work okay as the sliding action of the plungers should make good electrical contact. Just wondering as the steel track has a coating of some sort, could the plungers, if fitted to every coach, wear this coating away over time.
The lighting kit will definitely work with one set of plungers. As it seems to work really well on the rolling road that way. As to the coating on the rails, I am sure it was long gone before I got the track being at best nearly 50 years old. You make a good point the plungers may well contribute to the general wear and tear of the track. Thanks for watching. Oscar
Great to see this on your layout. I think that the earlier tri-ang coach lighting pickup system was better. This plunger system seems very poor. I'm surprised they didn't develop a way of collecting power from the silver seal rims. I might have a go at building my own pickups to see if it's an easy possibility. Great running Oscar.
Hi, great to hear you enjoyed seeing these coaches and the lighting kit. The plunger solution as you say seems to have been a bit odd. It would be great to hear how you get on with your own pickups. Thanks again for watching. Oscar
Thanks Oscar. Have to say although that black and yellow striped box was on all the shelves in my heyday I have never noticed the two styles before. It's also the first time I've seen the coach lighting set., assume it wasn't too popular
Hi gs425, it's definitely a subtle change in the packaging, I think they sold about 75000-80000 lighting kits between 1978 and 1982 from what I've read and it sounds like quite a large number. I can't help thinking they may have been a few disappointed by these kits! Thanks for watching. Oscar
@@oscarpaisley Oscar on a other topic , i believe you were due to visit Barrie in Norfolk just after I did in November- is he ok? Haven't heard from him since December maybe. His videos are down too. All the best Gary.
gs425 sadly I didn’t get to go and visit Barrie due to work commitments changing. I believe Barrie has experienced some technical difficulty with his channel, however it is now up and running again. If you put in a search for Barrie Davies you should find his channel and he is frequently uploading videos again. Oscar
@@oscarpaisley thanks for that Oscar I'm back now with his channel. If if you get the chance to go down I will say it's well worth it. They are lovely people, and his railway is far bigger in the flesh than I ever realised. Well recommended. Anyway now to watch your new video. Always Enjoy your appreciation of older triang hornby.regards Gary
Hi Kev, interesting point, I think it may de-rail the coach. However, I was surprised at how well the plungers deal with the points and diamond crossing. I believe there are 2 sets of plungers to try and avoid the effects of flickering. Thanks for watching. Oscar
I bought a couple of these a few years ago, because the boggies were swapped out for metal ones. I thought they looked nice. I now wonder if there was a prototypical reason for that. :-)
Good morning Sammy B Films, others have mentioned various changes made to these coaches. They seem to be a good starting for many and great looking items for those that are happy for something off the shelf to run for fun. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment its hugely apricated. Oscar
Hi Stephen, that's great to know unfortunately my catalogue collection finishes at 1981 in an effort to limit my collection. Thanks for watching. Oscar
Hi Oscar! I do have a small request. Would you mind terribly, when looking at the catalog, keeping the camera steady? Take a peek at 2:34 . It is a dizzying experience! Please understand this is respectfully submitted and is not a keyboard warrior comment. Cheers!
Good morning WhatAboutTheBee, thanks for pointing that out. Just out of interest it's the catalogue that moves and the camera stays still. Due to the close proximity of the camera to the subject, movement can appear rather rapid, I shall keep an eye on this in the future. Thanks again for watching. Oscar
Hi Oscar. Don't know if you have visited these two sites, but both sell Triang and Hornby stuff often a lot cheaper than E-Bay. The first is Elaine's Trains. There's no basket system, so you just e-mail her and ask for the thing you want and tell her how you want to pay. She does Paypal too. www.elaines-trains.co.uk/ The next is another great shop called the Model Train Shop. You do need to register, but again they do paypal. themodeltrainshop.co.uk/index.php I have used both myself, postage on both is low too and I have had no problems with either. The Model Train shop has a very impressive range of used items and is probably a lot cheaper on the smaller layout items than e-bay.
Hi OP, Another excellent review, you always brings us back to our childhood days with lots of memories and why we now love the Railways in real life and in model form. You are absolutely great to watch, you are so unique in the way you present the blog, even showing the Catalogue year of release and the price list they were in, when they released the item and then a great pickup and look all round the items in question, inside and out. Keep doing what you do Oscar and in the same way you present the blog. Alway a huge Thumbs Up 👍
Good morning Jamie, it's great to hear you are enjoying the videos. Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave these kind comments, it's hugely appreciated.
Oscar
The coaches you were showing today are Hornby's 1st attempt at Gresley coaches. The ones they were replacing were there attempt at Thompson coaches! The othes on the same pages of the catalogue were Maunsell for SR, Period 3 for LMS and Collett for GWR, all inter war coaches to match the locos. They all had the same chassis and bogies, later, as you say, the Gresleys got Gresley bogies. They still make these coaches as part of their Railroad range and the main range has far more detail and accuracy, and little bits that can fall orff, especially the Gresleys! Great video, reminds me of when I was a kid with these trains. Keep it up. I await with anticipaion every week!
Definitely all change on the coaches at this point David. I think they were all quite well received at the time. It's amazing that these teak coaches have lasted this amount of time and still in one of Hornby's ranges. Great to hear you enjoyed the video.
Thanks again for watching.
Oscar
Yet again another very enjoyable and entertaining show. Thank you.
Hi, Terry glad you enjoyed the video.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
Oscar, another thought provoking enjoyable video.
About 25 years ago I converted some of these coaches to North West Shortline H0 scale 42inch wheels on pinpoint axles. In 00 scale this scales to 36.8 inches.
These solid wheels gave very good running on my club layout. The sound of these wheels combined with their good running qualities, due to the NMRA standards and RP25 wheel profile, combined with the close coupling design drew many favourable comments from a usually picky audience of club members.
Downside of these wheels was that I immediately wanted to convert all my coaches to these wheels.
With these wheelsets being insulated on only one side it would be easy to arrange low friction wipers on each axle to arrange pickup for lighting. Wipers on the axle, such as some phosphor bronze wire, can have much less friction than the R449 Coach lighting unit or wheel back or tread wipers due to lower speed of the axle. Lesson learned cleaning my rotating bicycle wheel at the hub compared to the rim.
I am surprised the R449 remained in production as long as it did.
Having a Tri-ang open axle box, high friction background I was always looking for means of keeping friction down in my model choices.
Good morning John sounds like you put these models to good use. It does seem like an odd choice by Hornby to pursue this high friction method of pickup for their new range of coaches at the time. As you say amazing the kit remained available for that period even more amazing the numbers produced 51800 full thirds and 42000 brake thirds 1970-71 and from what I've read! But these are numbers produced, numbers sold may well be very different. Sadly I've not come across that information.
Thanks again for watching glad you enjoyed the video.
Oscar
Always a treat watching your videos Oscar, although here in Aussie (NSW) it’s a windswept Sunday afternoon, rain bucketing down, yard flooded after recovering from hot days and bushfires over the past weeks!! What a way to relax to see your review of these coaches and lighting effects. When I look nowadays at the sophisticated electrics with model railways, I’m even more convinced Triang/Hornby Railways of that era were certainly innovative!!👍🏻
Hi Andrew, hope all is well down there in NSW sounds like your getting both extremes we have had some gales and flooding ourselves. They were doing their best to make the range interesting with what now seems like very limited technology as you say.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
Hello Oscar. Well I did something different this week. I read all the comments first, 23 of them. It heightened my anticipation of what was to come. Once again I compared my coaches to yours. I had never noticed the bogie difference before. Only one of mine has the incorrect bogie and it has the black corridor ends and silver seal wheels. This one was made in England. Another. one made in England has plastic wheels with white rims and teak ends. The other two were made in China and have the newer style three hole wheels along with the teak ends. There are three distinctly different roof colours amongst them. My Flying Scotsman is a tender drive version. Thank you for another great Sunday morning video. Regards, David.
Hi David, sounds like you have a terrific collection of teak coaches. I have none of the later ones.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley I didn't even mention the two from my 2012 olympic limited edition set. (with an N2) Those ones are works of art compared to the older ones. Regards, David.
Heavy rain and strong winds excellent 27 minutes of pure entertainment to relax and enjoy.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
hi another great video.ibought a triang hornby flying sccotsman last oct for 30 pounds,brilliant saves paying over 80 pounds for a new one.will now get 2 coaches for it
Sounds great Peter you should be able to pick up a couple of coaches for not many pounds.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
Thank you Oscar for another enjoyable video. I've actually still got my rake of those style Gresley coaches with black ends that I bought back in 1978.. 2x brake, 3x Composite and a Sleeper. Not in original condition as I've given them a sepia wash and new metal wheels which helps them blend in a little for background with newer stock but not bad for 4O+ years old..
Good morning Chris great to hear you are still getting good use out of these models. As you say great for 40 odd years.
Thanks again.
Oscar
Excellent Video... Admittedly The Flying Scotsman is a favorite of mine (Hard for me though between the A1 or the A3 they are both wonderful looking locomotives).
Thank you for sharing the Coaches and Locomotive.
Glad you enjoyed the video.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
Oscar Paisley you are very welcome
Love these LNER coaches. I must get myself some of the Thompson ones too! Thank you for the video - I had no idea the earlier ones were so different. Gordon :-)
Hi Gordon, glad you enjoyed the video, I was surprised at the differences in the coaches over a relatively short period of time.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
Another great video. John Menzies had a large store in Glasgow Buchanan Street that had a large toy dept in the basement . They had a large Hornby section from about 1974 to the time it shut , I think about 81/82 . There may have been other larger Menzies stores selling Hornby . But it was great as unlike model shops with everything behind glass cases the models were simply stacked on the shelves where you could go and examine box . I remember rows of loco boxes with the black insert line drawing , 2ps , Flying Scotsmen , Panniers all lined up . Lots of places to buy Hornby in Glasgow back then, only Hamleys now (and you’d need a second mortgage)
Hi, Russell thanks for the information. Sounds terrific with the boxes all stacked up and another destination to try out in the time machine when it's delivered...
Thanks again.
Oscar
Hi, Great video. You are certainly right about the drag caused by the lighting set. I used the pickups in conjunction with an LED lighting strip, bridge rectifier, resistor and stay alive capacitor for my DCC layout in a Hornby mk 1 composite coach with Silver Seal wheels. A waste of time. Now it is put aside whilst I look into alternative pick up methods.
Good evening Robert I was surprised at how much drag there was. When you push the plungers with your fingers there seems to be very little resistance, but then x4 for a single coach with the full kit fitted I suppose it all mounts up. Dread to think how a whole rake of coaches would behave.
Great to hear you enjoyed the video thanks for watching
Oscar
Incidentally the slight difference in colour finish between the Tri-ang & Hornby LNER coaches is probably pretty accurate. As David mentions below, the Tri-ang coaches with oval toilet windows are Thompson designs whilst the Hornby ones are Gresleys. Thompson was Gresley's successor and designed his coaches with steel side panels, whereas Gresley had used wood which was left varnished. So that the different coaches blended together when in the same train, Thompson painted his steel coaches in a 'faux-teak' colour to broadly match the varnished teak finish of the Gresley stock. Whether by accident or design, Hornby seem to have replicated this successfully! (Great video as ever - essential part of Sunday morning).
hi Oscar eddie from devon here a couple years ago i found a complete R179 flying scotsman train set on ebay for 65 quid it has three gresley coaches just like yours plus a station and level crossing the loco is in excellant condition i look at the driiving wheels same as you and they look like new once again congratulations for a wonderful video a very happy new year to you all the very best EDDY in devon
Hi, Eddy sounds like you got a great set on eBay for a terrific price.
Glad to hear you are enjoying the videos, happy new year.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
There is no better way to spend a Sunday morning. Watching Oscar's excellent videos while drinking morning coffee. Excellent!
The coach lighting kit is an interesting bit of kit. But sadly I think they would have had better luck making something similar to what Tri-ang had offered earlier. A wiper on the steel axle would reduce the friction considerably. The plunger setup is akin to the Hornby OO days of years past. The issue would have been with the fitment of the bogies. They would have to have kept the rivet method of construction for the bogie attachment to the coach under frame to use a snap in wiper assembly. Lisa
Good evening Lisa, I think your right about pick up from the axle being a better solution plus a rethink on the design of the silver seal wheels. And definitely no square section axels! I think the early silver seal wheel could have been modified successfully but possibly too costly. I think they may have gone this way with the R.107 L.M.S. Brake Van with tail light of 1974 I will have to go and have a look.
Thanks again for watching.
Oscar
Lovely film as a always. Thank you!
Thanks for watching Philip.
Oscar
Wow Oscar, beautiful LNER teak coaches. I have the LNER R448, R477, and R478. And maroon LMS R474 and R475. Bought like new from Hatton's in January 2020. Wonderful coaches for their age. I paid 9 GBP for each coach.
Great to hear Norbert that you have these great coaches, as you say great for there time. Someone has mentioned in the comments below the LNER teak coaches are now part of the current Hornby Railroad Range but at around 24 GBP
Thanks again for watching.
Oscar
I always think of 1977-78 as being a time when Hornby really stepped up a gear in terms of what they offered the more serious railway modeller. I remember thinking that the 1978 GWR King class was wonderful at the time. :)
Good morning I think you’re right in the later 70s that seems to been massive investment and a new focus from Hornby with a great many new models which today might look quite toylike. But looking back represents quite a step forward in technologies and detail. I think the will to improve detail and accuracy for modellers was probably there within the company in the very late 60s and early 70s but the financial climate at the time prevented the type of product development we saw in the later 70s.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it hugely appreciated.
Oscar
A nice video Oscar, thanks for making it. I have two of the early ones and about ten of the later ones. I know you like to keep your collection in as-manufactured condition. I have enhanced my ones using Citadel Seraphim SepiaToner and then I used a gloss Lacquer to finish them off. They do look a lot better. Hornby brought out another version of them, but although the Teak effect was better. It looked like the whole side had been made out of one sheet of teak. The lastest ones look really great, but at a price that is beyond my budget. I hope to change all the wheels over to the ones you have, some of mine have them and some do not. I wish i knew which ones are to scale. Gresley coaches were longer than other makes. 61.6 inches if I remember rightly. Martin (Dhaka, Bangladesh.)
Good morning Martin, sounds like you have made great improvements to your coaches. I know what you mean about the later ones looking like they were stamped out of one sheet, the effect did not quite work to 00 scale and look quite odd.
Thanks again for watching.
Oscar
Thanks for a very enjoyable video this week Oscar seeing your layout in all of its glory is always treat. The lighting kit sounds like a great idea but I can't help thinking that having to take the coach apart would lead to some disappointment, I have a Trix scale model coach with lighting the roof is removable to change the bulbs a much better idea.
Sounds like Trix have gone about this in the right way.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
Drooling in a "real" catalogue, much better than on the internet and instant - old tech beats new, again!
Lovely set of coaches Oscar , great video as always .......Peter
Good evening Peter, glad you enjoyed the video. I think they are great fun these coaches with a lot of character and pretty good running for the period, the start of smother running models to come.
Thanks again for watching.
Oscar
I had a pair of the Maunsell coaches form the same era coupled up to an SR livereied M7 from the Local Passenger Set (how I wish I still had THAT!) I used the coach lighting setup as extra pickup rather than just for lighting and it worked very well. I don't recall the braking effect that much, but I only had one set of contacts fitted rather than 2. Loved the long shopts and the double headed setup, now I really ought to be restoring a Seuthe fitted Britannia and fitting the South Wales Pullman headocde and not watching videos:-)
Good morning Andrew, great idea using as an extra pick. The instructions indicate that using two pick-ups is to prevent the lights flickering! However, it does go on to point out that they will probably over points and diamond crossings and is essential to keep both track and plungers clean to reduce the effects of flickering. The Britannia with headboard sounds great. It's a shame they did not make a range of head and name boards.
Thanks again for watching.
Oscar
Maybe worth repeating the rolling down the hill/gradient test with just one set of plungers, the lights should still work okay as the sliding action of the plungers should make good electrical contact. Just wondering as the steel track has a coating of some sort, could the plungers, if fitted to every coach, wear this coating away over time.
The lighting kit will definitely work with one set of plungers. As it seems to work really well on the rolling road that way. As to the coating on the rails, I am sure it was long gone before I got the track being at best nearly 50 years old. You make a good point the plungers may well contribute to the general wear and tear of the track.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
Great to see this on your layout. I think that the earlier tri-ang coach lighting pickup system was better. This plunger system seems very poor. I'm surprised they didn't develop a way of collecting power from the silver seal rims. I might have a go at building my own pickups to see if it's an easy possibility. Great running Oscar.
Hi, great to hear you enjoyed seeing these coaches and the lighting kit. The plunger solution as you say seems to have been a bit odd. It would be great to hear how you get on with your own pickups.
Thanks again for watching.
Oscar
Great video Oscar those coaches look great I managed to get 3 composites and a brake a few months ago for only £30 altogether
That sounds like a great price David for a rake of coaches, great to hear you have them.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
Thanks Oscar. Have to say although that black and yellow striped box was on all the shelves in my heyday I have never noticed the two styles before. It's also the first time I've seen the coach lighting set., assume it wasn't too popular
Hi gs425, it's definitely a subtle change in the packaging, I think they sold about 75000-80000 lighting kits between 1978 and 1982 from what I've read and it sounds like quite a large number. I can't help thinking they may have been a few disappointed by these kits!
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@@oscarpaisley Oscar on a other topic , i believe you were due to visit Barrie in Norfolk just after I did in November- is he ok? Haven't heard from him since December maybe. His videos are down too.
All the best Gary.
gs425 sadly I didn’t get to go and visit Barrie due to work commitments changing. I believe Barrie has experienced some technical difficulty with his channel, however it is now up and running again. If you put in a search for Barrie Davies you should find his channel and he is frequently uploading videos again.
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@@oscarpaisley thanks for that Oscar I'm back now with his channel. If if you get the chance to go down I will say it's well worth it. They are lovely people, and his railway is far bigger in the flesh than I ever realised. Well recommended. Anyway now to watch your new video. Always Enjoy your appreciation of older triang hornby.regards Gary
Very enjoyable Oscar, I am interested to know what would happen if the coach lighting unit would hit a slightly wider joint in the track?
Regards
Kev
Hi Kev, interesting point, I think it may de-rail the coach. However, I was surprised at how well the plungers deal with the points and diamond crossing. I believe there are 2 sets of plungers to try and avoid the effects of flickering.
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I bought a couple of these a few years ago, because the boggies were swapped out for metal ones. I thought they looked nice. I now wonder if there was a prototypical reason for that. :-)
Good morning Sammy B Films, others have mentioned various changes made to these coaches. They seem to be a good starting for many and great looking items for those that are happy for something off the shelf to run for fun.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment its hugely apricated.
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Nice
Beautiful coaches Oscar,
Thanks Philip, glad you enjoyed seeing them on the layout.
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Versions of these coaches are still avaliable today in the Railroad range (page 43 of the 2020 Hornby Catalogue)
Hi Stephen, that's great to know unfortunately my catalogue collection finishes at 1981 in an effort to limit my collection.
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They look good
Thanks Chris.
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Nice one Oscar 👍
Thanks Mick.
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John Menzies did sell hornby railways in there stores
Hi, Keith thanks for the information and taking the time to watch.
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Hi Oscar! I do have a small request. Would you mind terribly, when looking at the catalog, keeping the camera steady? Take a peek at 2:34 . It is a dizzying experience! Please understand this is respectfully submitted and is not a keyboard warrior comment. Cheers!
Good morning WhatAboutTheBee, thanks for pointing that out. Just out of interest it's the catalogue that moves and the camera stays still. Due to the close proximity of the camera to the subject, movement can appear rather rapid, I shall keep an eye on this in the future.
Thanks again for watching.
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@@oscarpaisley Thanks Oscar!
Hi Oscar. Don't know if you have visited these two sites, but both sell Triang and Hornby stuff often a lot cheaper than E-Bay. The first is Elaine's Trains. There's no basket system, so you just e-mail her and ask for the thing you want and tell her how you want to pay. She does Paypal too. www.elaines-trains.co.uk/
The next is another great shop called the Model Train Shop. You do need to register, but again they do paypal.
themodeltrainshop.co.uk/index.php
I have used both myself, postage on both is low too and I have had no problems with either. The Model Train shop has a very impressive range of used items and is probably a lot cheaper on the smaller layout items than e-bay.
Thanks for the information Graham, I am not unfamiliar with Elaine's Trains I will have a look at The Model Train Shop.
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Rather modern stuff for you Oscar?
Mission creep!
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