Did Jay Cutler Train to Failure? 🤔

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  • @philbrowne8400
    @philbrowne8400 5 месяцев назад +6512

    Jays training system worked perfectly for him. He won Olympia titles and retired healthy with no joint or ligament problems and looks great to this day.

    • @gregmulligan8702
      @gregmulligan8702 5 месяцев назад +59

      Yes he did.

    • @goggins6121
      @goggins6121 5 месяцев назад +198

      everything works when you have elite genetics and you are on the best roids in the world. But yeah he was smart not to lift crazy weight

    • @beastmasterbg
      @beastmasterbg 5 месяцев назад +74

      ​@@goggins6121ok and ? Tons of people with great genetics don't do shit? What's your point?

    • @goggins6121
      @goggins6121 5 месяцев назад +35

      @@beastmasterbg my point is his workouts are shit and you can do way better than a 20 sets per muscle bro split

    • @MR12AMAZING
      @MR12AMAZING 5 месяцев назад +134

      ​​@@goggins6121You can't say his workouts are sh*t if he won the Mr Olympia with them lmao. Everyone on this level has elite genetics and drugs. Even people like Dorian Yates who you people love to praise so much for his training. And at least Jay doesn't have any torn muscles so his training clearly helped with his longevity.

  • @ReijiNakashi
    @ReijiNakashi 5 месяцев назад +1446

    "please define failure to me"
    My dad : my son

  • @headless0ptomist198
    @headless0ptomist198 5 месяцев назад +2208

    "I never chose a weight that I wasn't comfortable with" is something a lot of lifters need to take into consideration, I've always been a firm believer in that as well.

    • @mathias4851
      @mathias4851 5 месяцев назад +20

      Yes sir that and high volume is the king for me

    • @gregmulligan8702
      @gregmulligan8702 5 месяцев назад +42

      @@headless0ptomist198 When you lift alone, that’s how you have to do it.

    • @Soulmo112
      @Soulmo112 5 месяцев назад +27

      “Something a lot of lifters etc” lol
      Hate to break to you but the core of building muscles is progressive overload. In other words, putting your body in uncomfortable environment to force growth, otherwise why would it grow when it doesn’t have to

    • @noelnoni
      @noelnoni 5 месяцев назад +33

      @@Soulmo112your comprehension is flawed. He means if he benches 225 for 10 reps, then he won’t try to do 260 for 10 reps, he’ll try 230 or 235 for 10 reps

    • @hermanvanschoor314
      @hermanvanschoor314 5 месяцев назад +4

      Yea needing someone to lift up the other dumbbell just shows you that the weight ain’t for you

  • @seven2survive
    @seven2survive 5 месяцев назад +2122

    I met him recently, and he told me he doesn't have any issues with his joints, spine, or tendons. He was still in insane shape. So that tells you a lot. His training allowed him to have longevity long after his Olympia days. That's a win in my book.

    • @jasonsherwood7539
      @jasonsherwood7539 5 месяцев назад +35

      Very interesting.... maybe it's time to drop the weight

    • @seven2survive
      @seven2survive 5 месяцев назад +16

      @@jasonsherwood7539 I'm thinking the same.

    • @troyrichardson8787
      @troyrichardson8787 5 месяцев назад +9

      Lee Haney as well

    • @tanthaman
      @tanthaman 5 месяцев назад +10

      Yeh unlike coleman

    • @thewatcher4552
      @thewatcher4552 5 месяцев назад +5

      I call BS dude was a bodybuilder 😂 Stop believing everything everybody says

  • @solb101
    @solb101 5 месяцев назад +665

    He trained for success and not for failure.

  • @DoudaTongan
    @DoudaTongan 5 месяцев назад +120

    The man won multiple Mr Olympias
    Whatever he did worked for him. Period.

    • @JayS.-mm3qr
      @JayS.-mm3qr 5 месяцев назад +1

      Naturally?

    • @sengunvolkan
      @sengunvolkan 5 месяцев назад +10

      ​@@JayS.-mm3qr you probably think tom platz or mike mentzer is natural 💀

    • @C0d0ps
      @C0d0ps 5 месяцев назад

      @@JayS.-mm3qr
      Nobody who’s a pro bodybuilder is natural in my eyes.
      There some exceptions but this statement is not often wrong.
      There’s so many fake natural ifbb pros out there.

    • @tonikross7014
      @tonikross7014 5 месяцев назад +6

      Yeah the steroids worked great 😂😂

    • @IvanSam1
      @IvanSam1 4 месяца назад +2

      @@tonikross7014 steroids are the norm in a world of bodybuilding, that is not the point of this video.

  • @kennynakawaki
    @kennynakawaki 5 месяцев назад +103

    💪🏻 Everyone has their own methods

    • @farzankhan5522
      @farzankhan5522 5 месяцев назад +2

      Yes

    • @erykkoks4025
      @erykkoks4025 5 месяцев назад +1

      That's 100% correct

    • @goggins6121
      @goggins6121 5 месяцев назад +3

      methods dont matter when you have elite tier genetics and you are on copius amounts of gear

    • @LOUIS-nx8jd
      @LOUIS-nx8jd 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@goggins6121and people say he was seo in arms

    • @kingojugo
      @kingojugo 5 месяцев назад

      Winning the Mr Olympia 4x and beating Ronnie Coleman takes more than genetics.

  • @citrix123
    @citrix123 5 месяцев назад +61

    Lets remember this guy is still training and fully healthy , he may be onto something , start off and slowly enjoy this plan woth constant gradual progression it works

    • @Acheron666
      @Acheron666 5 месяцев назад +1

      He won’t be “fully healthy.”
      You can’t do that amount of gear for years and not damage your cardiovascular system.

    • @EnigmaticAnamoly
      @EnigmaticAnamoly 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@Acheron666 ....Jay is 51 years old and his current health and condition blows your statement out of the water.

    • @citrix123
      @citrix123 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@Acheron666hahaha bro is looking okay to me doctor 😂😂😂

    • @Acheron666
      @Acheron666 5 месяцев назад

      @@citrix123
      Have you seen his echocardiogram?
      So as a doctor, you can just look at someone and say “yeah, he’s totally fine, my X-ray vision tells me his heart isn’t enlarged and his years of steroid abuse hasn’t clogged his arteries.”
      You’re about as much of a doctor as Dr evil

    • @Acheron666
      @Acheron666 5 месяцев назад

      @@EnigmaticAnamoly
      Rich Piana looked healthy….Until he suddenly dropped dead from a massive heart attack.
      Bro, do you know how many bodybuilders have looked healthy and in great physical condition, then just dropped dead?

  • @T80DMC12
    @T80DMC12 5 месяцев назад +516

    "The muscle doesn't know exercise, only knows damage, it only knows repetitions"
    A random chocolate milk man

    • @hahaxd-yy1122
      @hahaxd-yy1122 5 месяцев назад +6

      He reduced his volume when pushing close to failure i guess

    • @SuperAxon2
      @SuperAxon2 5 месяцев назад +18

      "There's no one solution to fitness, you gotta do what feels right for you"

    • @sin9324
      @sin9324 5 месяцев назад +4

      Lee Haney?

    • @23Butanedione
      @23Butanedione 5 месяцев назад +1

      They don't know repetitions either

    • @melonytoni9016
      @melonytoni9016 5 месяцев назад +1

      it doesnt even know repetitions.

  • @dominicksans7204
    @dominicksans7204 5 месяцев назад +337

    This is just another training method and it worked for Jay Cutler. He found what worked for him and he got results with it. Does not mean doing a set or two to failure is not good. The gym is a Laboratory and many different methods and training style work for different people especially with different genetics, body shapes, perhaps injuries or impediment. So there is no right answer only thing that is constant, & 100% true across the board no matter training style or method, Proper form & controlling the weight is a MUST!

    • @JCKeus-cx1wm
      @JCKeus-cx1wm 5 месяцев назад +9

      Exactly!
      You have to find out what works (the best) for you. Took me a couple of years. And that doesn't mean you can't vary a little.
      When I trained alone I did kind of what he says. When trained with a (experienced) partner he could help both to do one or two more and to help with just the right amount.

    • @GotFaculty
      @GotFaculty 5 месяцев назад +4

      Controlling the weight like Jay was doing on the bicep curl in the video? Lol :p

    • @dominicksans7204
      @dominicksans7204 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@GotFaculty if that is what you got from what I said you’re a troll

    • @GotFaculty
      @GotFaculty 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@dominicksans7204 I was joking man I agree

    • @dominicksans7204
      @dominicksans7204 5 месяцев назад +5

      @@GotFaculty sometimes hard to tell all good

  • @FullMetalJesus84
    @FullMetalJesus84 5 месяцев назад +59

    This guy is the truth. He doesn't have that meat head mentality and fragile ego that so many others have.

  • @Mike-w5d
    @Mike-w5d 12 дней назад +1

    Jay did great, one of the best, even today

  • @marktheregulardude8651
    @marktheregulardude8651 5 месяцев назад +17

    As a teen I used to hate Jay Cutler, it was so stupid, he's such a chill honest hard working guy and I miss his era of bodybuilding. This guy is a legend

    • @deseosuho
      @deseosuho 5 месяцев назад

      I've seen nothing to hate from interviews of Jay.

    • @IvanSam1
      @IvanSam1 4 месяца назад +3

      @@deseosuho He looked a ltlle bit arrogant from limited media info of that time.. his presence on social media showed us what a cool guy he is.

    • @akkimoreno4209
      @akkimoreno4209 4 месяца назад +1

      Same...he had a villains face...

  • @TheBlacOfficial
    @TheBlacOfficial 4 месяца назад +1

    Jay is one of the greatest ambassadors bodybuilding as a sport could ask for. Won olympia titled several times,and is a smart, humble dude that is still enjoying the gym and in a great shapd and healthy into his 50s

  • @arildthordal810
    @arildthordal810 5 месяцев назад +457

    Training to failure requires a much longer recovery time

    • @ZizzyPatriot
      @ZizzyPatriot 5 месяцев назад +60

      Also some exercises such as bench press and squat are difficult to train untill failure especially if you train alone.

    • @aldinsalihovic5146
      @aldinsalihovic5146 5 месяцев назад +5

      You can train on Smith machine for example for chest to failure, or many cable exercises...

    • @Pablo-ns5zk
      @Pablo-ns5zk 5 месяцев назад

      Make 20 sets per muscle group also more

    • @abelardoochoa5038
      @abelardoochoa5038 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@ZizzyPatriotuse dumbbells for bench and safety’s for squats

    • @daytonasayswhat9333
      @daytonasayswhat9333 5 месяцев назад +8

      Volume is actually the biggest driver of fatigue. Much more so than intensity.

  • @salvatorebertino1826
    @salvatorebertino1826 5 месяцев назад +2

    Jay is truly a intellectual talent, i admire his approach to bodybuilding

  • @edmandell3064
    @edmandell3064 5 месяцев назад +22

    It's such a good conversation. What is failure is a good topic.

    • @tunabestfish
      @tunabestfish 5 месяцев назад +2

      not really

    • @youjying
      @youjying 5 месяцев назад +2

      Dude failure is well defined in hypertrophy. Jay Cutler literally just said if he needs help on 9-12 reps. He will only do 8, i.e. failure, 0 RiR no negative RiR(partials)

    • @MANZANOADRIAN
      @MANZANOADRIAN 5 месяцев назад +1

      Roid

  • @leopoldoastudillo7189
    @leopoldoastudillo7189 5 месяцев назад +5

    The interviewer never defined "failure"!😅😊😂

  • @sng3939
    @sng3939 5 месяцев назад +149

    He’s right. He could’ve done less sets and amped up the intensity and got the same results. But again genetics and roids makes an impact

    • @Stuarttombros
      @Stuarttombros 5 месяцев назад +14

      There’s multiple ways to get to the same/similar results 👌

    • @austecon6818
      @austecon6818 5 месяцев назад +6

      Personally I think everyone is different. Higher volume, lower intensity shifts strain off of joints and tendons. Some people hit max recoverable stimulus with different methods ranging from full Mike Menzer over to this style here

    • @timfrost08
      @timfrost08 5 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@austecon6818some argue and anecdotally claim the opposite. High volume gives them joint issue.

    • @rnew1496
      @rnew1496 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@timfrost08All that can be said is that it’s an evolving science.

    • @Coronel-z1d
      @Coronel-z1d 5 месяцев назад +2

      ​​@@timfrost08 what gives joint issue is hopping on steroids where your whole body x10 itself except the poor joints that stay as small as ever making them small screws keeping a 10000lb tank together. It's basic science. Everything gets bigger and joins stay the same and too much pressure starts to overload them which is why you almost never see natural lifters get pec, tricep, bicep tears etc despite training as hard. (Except ego lifting fails) Enhanced Olympia aspirers can get a tear just by repping heavy at random

  • @rogersjgregory
    @rogersjgregory 5 месяцев назад +11

    Having good form through each rep should be the goal.

    • @tunabestfish
      @tunabestfish 5 месяцев назад +2

      not really

    • @GangstalkingReality
      @GangstalkingReality Месяц назад

      No. You’re leaving out gains by having perfect form at all times. Sometimes that little swing, that little momentum, that partial when you’re fatigued will stop you from leaving gains on the table.

    • @Tokonaknofefight
      @Tokonaknofefight Месяц назад

      Why? Your body doesn’t know I have 18 inch arms natural I just lift bad and heavy as often as I can recover

  • @saypuppy4266
    @saypuppy4266 5 месяцев назад +6

    When people talk about failure in weight training they’re talking about concentric failure in proper form. It’s not that hard to define, it’s actually much easier to define than throwing weight around hoping it works.

  • @chrisbenj3819
    @chrisbenj3819 3 месяца назад

    Just do what feels right for you. Always respected Jay man one of my favorites. Legend keep prospering Big Jay. God bless you all

  • @ezradanger
    @ezradanger 5 месяцев назад +4

    These comments are refreshing. Most people it seems are finally coming around to the truth that there are many correct ways to train.

    • @Rob-qn6od
      @Rob-qn6od 2 месяца назад

      Except hit. It sucks.

    • @ezradanger
      @ezradanger 2 месяца назад +2

      @Rob-qn6od for a lot of people, yes it does. But for plenty of people it has its place after volume has started to grow to unsustainable levels.

    • @Rob-qn6od
      @Rob-qn6od 2 месяца назад

      @@ezradanger It really does not. Over 5 decades of hit and it still has a very dismal success rate.

    • @ezradanger
      @ezradanger 2 месяца назад +2

      @@Rob-qn6od if you want to try to make blanket statements about which training methodologies work and don't work you're going to just be wrong. Volume and intensity are dials that need to be adjusted over time as you make adaptations to your current settings. If high volume is working good for you, awesome, stick to it, but over a long enough time period it will start to be less effective, and you'll want to up the intensity, which will require you to decrease the volume. And you may even find that using a HIT approach works wonders for a while. Until it doesn't and then you have to start to ramp up the volume, which will require you to dial back the intensity.

    • @Rob-qn6od
      @Rob-qn6od 2 месяца назад

      @@ezradanger Nothing blanket about it. Facts don't care about your feelings. HIT sucks.

  • @adrianmasters250
    @adrianmasters250 5 месяцев назад +2

    Your body sets those limits for a reason, it takes longer but if you don't push past your current strength limits you will get less injuries and be strong all your life

  • @ronmorris1973
    @ronmorris1973 5 месяцев назад +17

    That's the same way I train, no partner, strict form , and FULL ON INTENSITY !!!!

    • @BrendorTheEndor
      @BrendorTheEndor 5 месяцев назад +4

      I would not personally call anything Jay did "strict form" lol (nothing exactly wrong with that tho)

    • @Liamgane2
      @Liamgane2 5 месяцев назад +2

      Its not intensity if your not training close to failiure

    • @crazy75able
      @crazy75able 5 месяцев назад +1

      How did you miss the point of the video brother

  • @coreysgmail7261
    @coreysgmail7261 5 месяцев назад

    Look at him ….. nobody tells him what to do , he is the man 👍. God bless

  • @Insufficient202
    @Insufficient202 5 месяцев назад +3

    Like Mike Mentzer said, you either train with intensity till failure, or a lot of sets, but not both .. 💪

    • @Rob-qn6od
      @Rob-qn6od 2 месяца назад

      Tom platz did both so nah....

  • @Diggy22
    @Diggy22 5 месяцев назад +31

    Smart dude. Everyone talks about "training to failure", but a lot of us who work physical jobs can't afford that extra recovery time. Training to failure usually ends up in being so sore the next day, it impedes performance on the job. It's good to hear from a Mr. Olympia that training to failure doesn't have to be necessary in order to benefit from a workout.

    • @Coronel-z1d
      @Coronel-z1d 5 месяцев назад +1

      It's 85% genetics and 15% hypertrophy, rest between sets, failure, recovery etc. #1 Jay admits cheating reps and not using full ROM "but my x4 Olympia record speaks for itself". #2 "I squat until I watch my nose bleed" Arnold overtrained 5 hours a day and doesn't look worse than cbum with all the advanced coaches, hypertrophy, "technology" etc does he 😂 he's smart because what works for him works. You don't have his genetics and even if you took his roids dosage, same workout plan, same diet, same routines+exercises, same recovery, you would still never look 25% of his size why? Simple. ESPECIALLY as a natural you want to maximize hypertrophy. Your body doesn't recover x10 fast with protein production and you need to find what works for you

    • @austin-dl1wp
      @austin-dl1wp 5 месяцев назад +1

      if you want to gain the most muscle as a natural training atleast 1-2 rir is needed. but if you are on the older side like mid 30s late 20s and you just like to workout to stay fit or maintain good muscle then training to failure is a waste of time unless you really enjoy it

    • @goggins6121
      @goggins6121 5 месяцев назад

      nah dude, thats why you do volume but high intensity sets. People really overestimate how much volume you need. Just watch Jordan Peters and learn how to train from him

    • @MR12AMAZING
      @MR12AMAZING 5 месяцев назад +4

      @@austin-dl1wp Late 20s is the 'older side'?😂😂. You must still be a teenager lmao.

    • @MR12AMAZING
      @MR12AMAZING 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Coronel-z1d "Arnold doesn't look worse than Cbum". Cbum would annihilate Arnold in competition. His Legs, Back and Shoulders are all in a completely different league. Also Arnold's conditioning would be considered 6 weeks out in today's age. If Arnold competed today with that same exact physique he wouldn't even quality for the Mr Olympia.

  • @hugo8851
    @hugo8851 Месяц назад +2

    If you are on steroids your muscles will grow no matter if you do volume training or High intensity training. For naturals HIT seems to work better.

  • @steelparagon5868
    @steelparagon5868 5 месяцев назад +15

    Volume can make up for training with reps in reserve. However for some people it’s very taxing on nervous system to push out 10-20 sets as cutler did.
    Everyone is slightly different and gotta find the best way to turn on the growth mechanism without feeling drained the next day

    • @Justsomguy1990
      @Justsomguy1990 5 месяцев назад

      Very smart

    • @kane6529
      @kane6529 4 месяца назад +1

      It’s not that draining if you’re not doing intensifiers and on copious amounts of gear. I’m definitely in the camp of how Jay trains

    • @dontsugarcoat2729
      @dontsugarcoat2729 4 месяца назад

      Jay cutler still play football?

    • @Sogard69
      @Sogard69 2 месяца назад +1

      Tbh, intensity is WAY more taxing on my cns than volume.
      I'd rather do 10 reps for 20 sets with 50% 1rm than 2 sets to eccentric failure with 75%-85% 1rm.

    • @steelparagon5868
      @steelparagon5868 2 месяца назад

      Hmmm interesting. I would think junk volume of that sort would really add up and tax the CNS more.
      I work long hours, sometimes 80+ hours in a week and I don’t want more volume. I want very short, intense workout then get home to rest

  • @_-_TheShadow_-_
    @_-_TheShadow_-_ Месяц назад

    The way he trains without a partner... Jay was on another level.

  • @MNikey1st
    @MNikey1st 5 месяцев назад +4

    Hey and that worked out very well for him. I mean dude is a legend for the Mr. O, quad stomp and the competitive nature between him and Ronnie Coleman.

  • @dagaffer2269
    @dagaffer2269 5 месяцев назад +2

    Bill Pearl NEVER trained to failure. And spoke out against training to failure many times..Yet he was MASSIVE.

  • @gamebae14
    @gamebae14 5 месяцев назад +5

    Lemme say this! When there is high volume there is absolutely no need to go to failure.

  • @aaronbeedle941
    @aaronbeedle941 5 месяцев назад +1

    I've found that training to failure feels really good for me; muscle can't lift, reduce weight, go again. Nice short workouts that focus on increasing strength. I also find pushing into the failure pain is good for training discipline, so long as I keep a check on the type of pain.
    I have some chronic muscle imbalance so I sometimes stop due to pain and irritation rather than failure. I THINK that's reducing and evenining out as I train, an I make sure that I train symettrically.

    • @Black-Circle
      @Black-Circle 5 месяцев назад

      Same here. One or two sets is perfect for me.

  • @relevantbrother8964
    @relevantbrother8964 5 месяцев назад +12

    My guess is that Jay was stopping a rep or two short of positive failure. Volume works in a weird way. I can get good calf development using heavy weights 6-8 reps to failure eg one leg calf raises. But i get much better calf development doing 45 mins step up moderate cardio off a shallow block even though my calves aren't burning or anything.Much more significant growth in that area than weights.

    • @Coronel-z1d
      @Coronel-z1d 5 месяцев назад +4

      85% of what you do in the gym is purely genetics. You can train like Jay Cutler, eat like him, sleep like him, recover like him, rep like him, take the same gear as him and never look 1/5th of his size. Most people "train better" than Jay who himself admits to cheating reps, not using full ROM etc and people call him out for it after which he says "my x4 Olympia record speaks for itself" lol you do what works for you and especially if you're natural you want that extra juice 15% of hypertrophy, rest between sets, volume, etc etc maximized. Do what works for you bro

    • @PapiAndrey
      @PapiAndrey 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Coronel-z1dTruth is that you can train incorrectly and still end up with a good physique as long as you’re consistent and have reasonable recovery measures

    • @whydoyouneedmyname6508
      @whydoyouneedmyname6508 5 месяцев назад +1

      So our legs have more slow twitch muscles for endurance and our upper body is more fast twice. So higher reps works better for legs. And lower reps for upper body.

    • @Rob-qn6od
      @Rob-qn6od 2 месяца назад

      Volume works.

  • @daveshaw5293
    @daveshaw5293 4 месяца назад

    Jay's a great thinker and has a common sense approach 👏 you can build a great body without excessive weights ,use a weight that's comfortable for you and ignore what others are doing/lifting ,moderate weights trained to failure is better than busting your guts over silly poundages which will lead to overtraining and probably injury. Good luck guys/girls 👍

  • @polkhigh_33
    @polkhigh_33 5 месяцев назад +7

    Listen to him. One of the extremely rare pro bodybuilders who neither refers to outdated science or broscience, nor tries to bullshit you for a small edge.

    • @Black-Circle
      @Black-Circle 5 месяцев назад

      If you knew the science you would know zero difference between 1 set to failure and 3

    • @fmayolo2279
      @fmayolo2279 4 месяца назад +1

      @@Black-Circle3 sets gives you more muscle growth than 1 set to failure, that’s what the literature says as early as the early 2000’s💀

    • @Black-Circle
      @Black-Circle 4 месяца назад +1

      @@fmayolo2279 this is utterly false. Stop talking. Go watch jay vincent break it down. 13 out of 15 studies in a meta analysis say zero difference between 1 set and 3. Go do some research.

    • @SirGlitch-A-Lot
      @SirGlitch-A-Lot 4 месяца назад

      Steroids are part of he's science.

  • @bernardfrancois4544
    @bernardfrancois4544 Месяц назад

    Facts. When you train alone. This is the best approach

  • @MR_Wild
    @MR_Wild 5 месяцев назад +3

    Everything works depending on the person. Different strokes for different folks.

  • @johnkavanagh1066
    @johnkavanagh1066 14 дней назад

    Love you Jay!! I agree with you!!

  • @ThePatriots010304
    @ThePatriots010304 5 месяцев назад +64

    Of course he didn't. You're not doing 20 sets in a workout going to failure. Most people including most bodybuilders have no idea what it means to do a set to 100% muscular failure.

    • @jameswayton2340
      @jameswayton2340 5 месяцев назад +2

      uhmm... 20 sets to failure.. i do what every time i'm confused? especially with smaller muscles its not that hard to do 20. To failure meaning, i can't do 1 more rep at all.

    • @djhh83
      @djhh83 5 месяцев назад

      @@jameswayton234020 sets???

    • @frockk
      @frockk 5 месяцев назад +14

      ​@@jameswayton2340 no offence but it is highly unlikely that you are going to failure on all of those 20 sets. There's a reason why Mike Mentzer advocated for one full set to failure per exercise.
      Think of it this way, you cannot sprint at full speed for a very long time, at some point you slow down.

    • @mylesmatthew72
      @mylesmatthew72 5 месяцев назад

      Mike menzter did.

    • @ugne6144
      @ugne6144 5 месяцев назад

      @@frockk Honestly, its pretty easy to go to failure for 20 sets. The number of reps per set decreases, but you simply work the muscle until you cant perform another rep, its entirely brainless. Unless you CHOOSE to stop beforehand, which of course many do automatically, it will be to failure. 20 sets to failure is far too many of course, but this isn't sprinting, you get to rest.

  • @ABHIMISHRA-e4s
    @ABHIMISHRA-e4s Месяц назад

    I've been watching jay since 2012 and believe me ppl hes the best and the smartest bodybuilder ever.

  • @tomselby24
    @tomselby24 5 месяцев назад +4

    10 solid ass reps

  • @thinkforyourself2109
    @thinkforyourself2109 5 месяцев назад +1

    Failure means getting lactic acid burn from high reps or not being able to another heavy rep. I suspect he did go to failure many times. You can't get that big without doing so, no matter what he says.

  • @xscmurcielago
    @xscmurcielago 5 месяцев назад +7

    The guys haircut said everything you needed to know.

    • @tunabestfish
      @tunabestfish 5 месяцев назад +8

      the haircut didnt say anything

  • @Vaibhav-ku9xn
    @Vaibhav-ku9xn 5 месяцев назад +2

    When Jay speaks, you listen.

  • @piercemaciain4847
    @piercemaciain4847 5 месяцев назад +12

    Failure isn’t something that’s difficult to define. What gets tricky is 2-3 reps short of failure.

  • @hazikkhan600
    @hazikkhan600 5 месяцев назад

    Guys lets understand this training till failure , partial reps drop sets supersets giant sets these are training methods that you need to imply once or twice in your training per week . Training till failure everyday for every set is not gonna work after you hit plateau . There are so many ways to train keep changing things up always give your body something new to respond💪🏻

  • @Pluhnoway
    @Pluhnoway 4 месяца назад

    This man is a LEGEND

  • @RyubearSaysGao
    @RyubearSaysGao 5 месяцев назад +3

    This is why regular people should not copy legendary bodybuilders. Their starting points, genetics for muscle building and response to even sub-optimal straining, it is all off the charts. PED response included.

  • @JohnDoe-yq9rt
    @JohnDoe-yq9rt 4 месяца назад +2

    I think in the long term, focusing on volume is a lot safer than focusing on intensity.

  • @linszFPS
    @linszFPS 5 месяцев назад +2

    Basically he trained with high volumes while keeping reps in reserve, but he did everything instinctively, like most bodybuilders from his time

  • @Dylan-qt5nr
    @Dylan-qt5nr 5 месяцев назад +3

    Failure is simple, you go for 10 reps, it's hard at around 7, 10 is a big effort and 11 is partial. Thats a good set.

    • @tunabestfish
      @tunabestfish 5 месяцев назад

      yeah its failure but if it isnt muwcular failure it doesnt matter

  • @Dan-usa1
    @Dan-usa1 5 месяцев назад

    Wow!..That last PICTURE was absolutely AMAZING!..

  • @vladcraioveanu233
    @vladcraioveanu233 5 месяцев назад +4

    He said he do not train with a partner but I.see a lady for Smith Squats, than a guy for overhead triceps ext. etc.

  • @warwickdennis4114
    @warwickdennis4114 5 месяцев назад

    Your explanation helps me a lot, thanks 🙏🏾

  • @isaacl6402
    @isaacl6402 5 месяцев назад +3

    Point is. It’s more important to get in the gym than to worry about what’s perfect and what’s not

  • @philmann1745
    @philmann1745 3 месяца назад

    I’ve seen him take exercises to failure a few times in his videos. He didn’t revolve his training around it but he definitely did it sometimes.

  • @IronVeteran
    @IronVeteran 5 месяцев назад +4

    Smart anti Mentzer training methods,and that avoids injuries...

  • @nevermore-rr4ng
    @nevermore-rr4ng Месяц назад

    I got into lifting relatively recently and the discussions around it are pretty interesting because there are so many perspectives that seem completely contrary to each other.
    However i think the the three main things that they all have in common are consistency, nutrition and form. A lot of the people i see in the gym with me (the regulars anyway) all have good consistency and good form, but i've talked with all of them about what they eat and they all have terrible nutrition.
    So i can't help but think that all this talk about minmaxing hypertrophy through volume, failure or whatever is more or less a red herring that will demoralize most people coming in. Especially since the most important factor (imo) is underemphasized.
    Yeah if you go in and pick up a weight that you can rep 50 times and do it like 12 times, it's entirely pointless. But i think (i hope) most people intuitively understand that to make progress you have to push yourself a bit.
    This dude got absolutely jacked and huge using a method that a lot of dogmatic lifters would disagree with, but it very obviously worked for him and it worked well. That doesn't mean it will work for everyone, but it did for him. Use the experience of past lifters and scientific findings as guidelines, but find what works for you. The only opinion you should care about is what your body has to say about what you are doing.

  • @i_am_ss65
    @i_am_ss65 5 месяцев назад +4

    Sadly he’s wrong about this. I love him, but this isn’t the way to go. ~7 sets to (or very close to) failure per muscle group per workout is the best according to me (and science)

    • @Pablo-ns5zk
      @Pablo-ns5zk 5 месяцев назад

      Agree

    • @jamesjin9574
      @jamesjin9574 5 месяцев назад

      This is 20 sets per week. Which is all one workout for him but that means he gets a full week to rest until his next workout. Whereas it's common for people now to do 6-10 twice per workout. Jay is high volume no doubt, but 20 sets per week is perfectly reasonable. In fact, I believe studies found that 52 is still effective.
      7 sets per week can still work but for a lot of people, especially advanced lifters, it's too little. However 14 sets per week is perfectly reasonable. 6 more is a substantial amount of volume, but not completely unreasonable.

    • @troy8327
      @troy8327 5 месяцев назад

      Different things works different for different people regardless of “science” for some people…
      Science I’m sure will tell you genetics has a big part , steroids , body type etc etc
      Results in the end is the most important part.. you can apply all the science you want if you don’t look like jay then it means jack diddly squat..
      Some Of the science stuff will never work for some people because for some they just don’t have the genetics and some don’t have the consistency..
      I can train with a good mate of mine the exact same way this guy will out beast me within a month, regardless of what he applies.. some people muscles just react differently…

    • @kolimprio1234
      @kolimprio1234 5 месяцев назад +3

      He's not wrong lol. Science you say, 4 olympias I say . He did what worked best for him, end of story.

    • @jamesjin9574
      @jamesjin9574 5 месяцев назад +3

      @kolimprio1234 the thing is, Jay cutler doesn't do anything that goes against science based lifting. Training to failure isn't necessary. Training 20 sets per week is well within an acceptable range of number of sets according to science. Jay often practiced partial reps, particular in the stretched position of the muscle, which science now says is really effective in muscle growth. And to top it all off, he's one of the few well known mass monsters that had been at it for years that has come out relatively healthy. Although no one should do what Jay cutler does simply because he's Jay, his method of training certainly isn't wrong.

  • @aimalpahrand1607
    @aimalpahrand1607 24 дня назад

    This is exactly my mindset so I'm so happy to hear jay saying this.

  • @dznuts123
    @dznuts123 5 месяцев назад +1

    That’s a responsible guy.

  • @bryantaylor2427
    @bryantaylor2427 3 месяца назад

    "How many sets to failure?"
    Jay: "I never failed"

  • @NorseCode.81
    @NorseCode.81 28 дней назад +1

    I've tried training to failure on very heavy duty. Just one set. Does it make much difference really you can drop down the reps and do more sets. Both work

  • @jackroza1872
    @jackroza1872 5 месяцев назад

    That's for me definitely a thing. Counting reps is sometimes a mental challenge. So I have stopped doing that. Now I start somewhere around half of what's liftable for me and then I keep increasing it every time and I just go to pretty much max every set. Not max max, but kind of hard. And then I do it until I can't do more than three reps. This has been a huge result for me.

    • @jackroza1872
      @jackroza1872 5 месяцев назад

      And the huge benefit is you don't have to count reps anymore!

  • @moetimes3
    @moetimes3 5 месяцев назад +1

    Someone with no medals questioning a champion is hilarious 😂

  • @universeusa
    @universeusa 4 месяца назад

    Lifting weights properly is essential for maximizing benefits and minimizing the risk of injury. Here are some key principles and tips for safe and effective weightlifting:
    ### 1. **Warm-Up**
    - **Dynamic Stretching**: Start with dynamic stretches to increase blood flow and range of motion.
    - **Light Sets**: Perform light sets of the exercise you plan to do to prepare your muscles and joints.
    ### 2. **Proper Technique**
    - **Form Over Weight**: Prioritize good form over lifting heavier weights. Start with a manageable weight to master the technique.
    - **Body Alignment**: Keep your body aligned properly. For example, during squats, keep your knees aligned with your toes and your back straight.
    - **Controlled Movements**: Use a controlled tempo, focusing on both the lifting (concentric) and lowering (eccentric) phases.
    ### 3. **Breathing**
    - **Inhale and Exhale**: Typically, exhale during the exertion phase (lifting) and inhale during the relaxation phase (lowering).
    ### 4. **Range of Motion**
    - **Full Range**: Use a full range of motion for each exercise to maximize muscle engagement and flexibility.
    ### 5. **Exercise Selection**
    - **Compound vs. Isolation**: Incorporate both compound movements (e.g., squats, deadlifts, bench press) that work multiple muscle groups and isolation exercises (e.g., bicep curls) that target specific muscles.
    ### 6. **Progressive Overload**
    - **Gradually Increase Load**: Aim to gradually increase the weight, reps, or sets over time to continue making progress.
    ### 7. **Rest and Recovery**
    - **Rest Between Sets**: Allow adequate rest between sets (typically 30 seconds to 2 minutes, depending on your goals).
    - **Recovery Days**: Incorporate rest days into your routine to allow muscles to recover and grow.
    ### 8. **Listen to Your Body**
    - **Avoid Pain**: If you experience pain (not to be confused with discomfort), stop the exercise and reassess your form or seek professional advice.
    - **Fatigue**: If you feel fatigued, consider reducing weight or taking a break.
    ### 9. **Cool Down and Stretch**
    - **Static Stretching**: After your workout, engage in static stretching to improve flexibility and aid recovery.
    ### 10. **Consider Professional Guidance**
    - **Personal Trainer**: If you're new to weightlifting or unsure about your form, consider working with a certified personal trainer for personalized instruction.
    By following these guidelines, you can ensure a safer and more effective weightlifting experience.

  • @THEBATZZ
    @THEBATZZ 18 дней назад

    He sounded like he was in litigation 😂 “please define failure to me sir”

  • @marcoddy6812
    @marcoddy6812 4 месяца назад

    High volume with no failure or high intensity to failure and beyond clearly both produce incredible results. Compare Jay and Dorian's opposing approaches. They are different ways to reach the same point.. which is sufficient stimulus to the muscle to illicit growth. It's like trying to burn 100 calories. You can jog for a longer time and burn 100 calories or you can sprint for a shorter time and burn 100 calories. Different route to the same outcome. Both work, there is no 'better' way.

  • @bradleysmith8994
    @bradleysmith8994 Месяц назад

    Look at him, no one can argue 😂

  • @lexiithebestii
    @lexiithebestii 2 месяца назад

    i get this honestly. its a valid statement. i think going with a weight you can control and handle 100% is really beneficial. but also, going till failure, doing partials or training with a spot is good, cause in that way you're kinda doing a progressive overload and you're getting the most out of your hypertrophy. i think this last part is important for beginner to intermediates? cause it just helps you get the MOST out of your set.
    that's just my view tho

  • @devon9712
    @devon9712 5 месяцев назад +2

    Jay just trained more than last time and he was good to go

  • @justsomedude2020
    @justsomedude2020 5 месяцев назад

    I think that played a big factor at how jay is today, retired Mr. Olympia with little to no injuries and still big and healthy.

  • @EverlastGX
    @EverlastGX 4 месяца назад

    Jay is one of the best of the freak era

  • @benhaylock
    @benhaylock 3 месяца назад

    He didn't train to fail. He trained to win.

  • @DarkLight-4
    @DarkLight-4 5 месяцев назад +1

    Jay: Please define failure to me?
    Me looking in the mirror

  • @lesgibbs326
    @lesgibbs326 5 месяцев назад +2

    When talking about failure they are talking about momentary muscle failure when you can no longer do another positive rep . This is without doing a negative or partial, static or rest pause. Of course you can do more volume after you have rested but whether this is necessary is debatable.

    • @jakeremo1689
      @jakeremo1689 5 месяцев назад +1

      Mike mentzer / arthur jones would be proud

    • @lesgibbs326
      @lesgibbs326 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@jakeremo1689 thanks I don't know how anyone can be confused about going to failure .

    • @Rob-qn6od
      @Rob-qn6od 2 месяца назад

      It's definitely necessary. There is no debate to be had.

  • @yguyonabufffnilrebmahc344
    @yguyonabufffnilrebmahc344 27 дней назад

    This makes so much sense I'm so glad I heard this

  • @JonDoe-gr2np
    @JonDoe-gr2np 5 месяцев назад

    If you put in work you will get results. Some people will get results faster than others and some peoples’ results may be better or worse than others. There’s so many variables that are unique to the individual that it is impossible to pinpoint commonalities and draw legitimate standardized conclusions on weightlifting styles. You don’t NEED to go to failure, you don’t NEED full ROM, you don’t NEED to have perfect eccentric control of your reps, you don’t NEED to do what someone else says works perfectly for them specifically. Just put in work and do what you feel best benefits your body and the results will come just as they are intended to.

  • @Pitbull14218
    @Pitbull14218 3 месяца назад

    I’d like to see that entire video!

  • @Proof77777
    @Proof77777 5 месяцев назад

    I like his personality, smh… So humble.

  • @DD-sw1dd
    @DD-sw1dd Месяц назад

    “Please define failure”
    It’s pretty self evident.

  • @MasterAppels
    @MasterAppels 5 месяцев назад +1

    It's why cable exercises are so great. You can go to failure without the risk of injuring yourself.

  • @ThyFather1161
    @ThyFather1161 5 месяцев назад

    What he said was "don't be a fucking hero"

  • @SaiyanLink88
    @SaiyanLink88 4 месяца назад

    Jay is a training genius.

  • @666kingdrummer
    @666kingdrummer 4 месяца назад

    I'm a firm believer that some exercises are better done with the 'more reps with less weight' mentality, and everyone says I'm never gonna make any gains like that.
    Good to know that a 4 time Mr. Olympia feels the same as me.

  • @bend.7590
    @bend.7590 5 месяцев назад +1

    Imagine what he could’ve accomplished training to failure

  • @Mr_Nowh3re
    @Mr_Nowh3re 4 месяца назад

    Based thats how I train. If its too heavy and causes too much pressure I lower my weight. You only get one body and one life.

  • @loganross1861
    @loganross1861 5 месяцев назад

    This is seriously helpful perspective

  • @juliecantina8479
    @juliecantina8479 4 месяца назад

    That's good info, thanks 👍

  • @juancarlospinedacalles8172
    @juancarlospinedacalles8172 Месяц назад

    The bedt part " i dont train with a training partner" 💪

  • @valentinocozzi
    @valentinocozzi 5 месяцев назад +1

    Gym bros will look at this and be like "NO JAY YOU NEED TO TRAIN TO FAILURE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND"

  • @Augrills
    @Augrills Месяц назад

    If you’re going to get stronger, you need to do reps to failure. Also a spotter assisting you on a lift is usually more mental than physical. You can put one finger of pressure on a 225 bar and help your buddy lift it. Jay was just getting big af, he didn’t care about the number on the bar, and that’s cool too.

  • @d.soldier3720
    @d.soldier3720 4 месяца назад

    I understand him completely. I've been training alone for more than 20y. Loners know the meaning of his words. I do train with others occasionally but my thing is the lone training 💪

  • @rolandoramirez4414
    @rolandoramirez4414 5 месяцев назад +1

    definitely he was my kind of person at the gim I push so had to get those 12 reps

  • @_maze_4733
    @_maze_4733 4 месяца назад

    It’s not about the training, Jay just genetically gifted and that’s it’s guys. Game over.

  • @Ason19
    @Ason19 4 месяца назад

    The frustration of science based lifting the harder and more exacting you try to be about facts and what's real the more elusive things become.
    A certain level of abstraction is needed

  • @LegendMathai
    @LegendMathai 5 месяцев назад +5

    4x champ for a reason

    • @marcknight8927
      @marcknight8927 5 месяцев назад +5

      Only one got a perfect score

    • @LegendMathai
      @LegendMathai 5 месяцев назад +1

      Night of Champions right ?

    • @xeruma3144
      @xeruma3144 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@marcknight8927 mike

    • @austin-dl1wp
      @austin-dl1wp 5 месяцев назад

      @@marcknight8927 which was in a mr universe contest, you act like this perfect score is so insane and out of this world