The new Workhorse of the Motorcoach industry| MCI's New D model
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- Опубликовано: 9 май 2024
- The MCI D series has always been the work horse of the motorcoach industry here in North America. In 2017 MCI announced the future release of a all new D model. A new workhorse. Will it hold its reputation? Is it something completely different?
This video will explain of what this bus actually is and how it came to be.
Be sure to check out my other video I made of the Old D series called Dependable D
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Also check out the video of when MCI invited me to their bus factory in Winnipeg Canada. I got to see these things being built!
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Clips used from other RUclips Channels
MCI Greyhound DL3
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Coach USA D4520 drive by
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bus rolling over
• Bus Rollover Test
MTA D45CRTLE Drive by
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NYCT Touring the D45 CRT LE
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Techs and specs information from:
Brent Danielson, Chief Engineer from Motorcoach Industries
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It’s totally awesome to see a man live his dream and make it to the top of the food chain in his industry
He seems really humble. I doubt he snacks on those below him
Almost didn't recognize you wearing the CEO jacket. 😁 It looks good on you. I'm liking the new D model... Particularly the innovative mobility access.
Hey James. Another bus nut here. I have always been a "motorcoach watcher". I am a semi retired 49 year veteran school bus driver in Pa. My dream was to retire early and drive a motorcoach but that dream kinda blew by and i feel its too late for me now. Anyway, just wanted to let you nkow how much i enjoy your videos. Always interesting to me. I can tell you really enjoy what you do and are a true professional. Thanks for the entertainment. Stay safe out there.
As someone who is a native to the bloomington normal area I grew up riding on and watching the D series, I compare every cool coaches I see to a peoria character coach
Excellent video! I can honestly say I had no idea my Friday night entertainment would be learning about the MCI D series, and loving it 😄
You and me both...No idea how i ended up in this rabbithole, but here I am lol
This is exactly why I cut the cable TV cord. There’s really nothing on those networks that interest me anymore. All of these special interest videos on different products not just buses are here on countless RUclips channels. I only use the TV to watch my ever growing collection of DVD sets. Why pay for things that don’t interest you?
Same here...lol.
James, your knowledge astounds me of everything motor coach. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with so much interest and enthusiasm. Once again, so proud of your well deserved promotion.
Excellent and informative video as all of your videos are. Your "CEO" attire didn't go unnoticed either! 🙂
Haha thank you!
The new gen D45 has the face only a mother could love. That and how it's painted/wrapped.
Awesome video! Thx for the information. I enjoyed this video.Jim,you always have something interesting to show us. Thx.
Glad you enjoyed it
@MotorcoachWorld NP.I do enjoy your videos. I was a Motor Coach operator for 40 year. Boy ,do I miss the road. Academy Tours was the company that I worked at. 3 million miles under my belt. No tickets, no accidents. In the 40 years, only had 1 flat and 1 brake down. Keep your videos coming. Congrats on your promotion 👏. God bless. Bye for now from New Jersey.
Great Video, I love the design of the new D series. As i'm from a General Motor family the D series is like a Chevrolet and the J series is a Cadillac.
Casting some memories from your Professional Lifetime is appreciated Men. Congrats on your Promotion
The old D models had a great run.
Thanks for the vid, I think this is the breakdown of the new D series we all needed.
Also, I rode my first DL3 as a kid in 2001, Greyhound, Savannah GA (across the bridge 👍) to NJ and I sat in the back🤯 Series 60 🤯. Favorite bus PERIOD, no question.
Thanks again, this is close to the heart.
People don't realize these boxes on wheels are so much more than just a bus. You are absolutely right in the fact that memories are made on these things.
I do love the MCI D class motor Coach.@@MotorcoachWorld
You’re so young. I started on the new MC9. Great tough coach that just kept rolling.
MCI doesn't play, do they? They have a model/variant for just about every need. These new motor coaches look great.
Great video James! After driving the D45CRT variant for Indian Trails in actual service (we needed the center lift but spec’d it like a D4520 otherwise) I can say the design is decent. We did have some issues with exterior lights almost immediately burning out. The mirrors are like those found on a transit bus and took some getting used to. There are a few significant blind spots and less overhead luggage space than before. The fit and finish leaves a lot to be desired. The 4 coaches we received have the swing door rather than the bi-part door. It’s very hard to get it adjusted and it’s an electric design so if you don’t have power for some reason you can’t open the door from the outside. So while it looks like a Van Hool door it’s an entirely different design from other coaches. Just some observations after working with them. Feels a lot like a J that shrank a little in the wash. 😂
Apparently MCI has changed things and now you can get a D4520 with the midship lift. To be honest the D4520 Vs. D45CRT designations seem to be pretty interchangeable. The rep who came to train us on the new coaches said lift position was the big difference.
The next set of D’s we get will be D4520’s in all likelyhood but they’ll be the same specs as these CRT’s.
Isn't there a switch to disengage the door motor if power cuts out?
@@adamdion7574 There is an emergency release on the wall next to the door on the inside of the bus. If you have dead batteries that won’t help. You also have to disengage it correctly or it’ll break the handle and the door won’t work until the handle gets replaced. We already had that happen once.
@@duvac12 so... nothing can be done if you lose power?
@@adamdion7574 Not that I’m aware of if you’re coming back to the coach after leaving it overnight and it decides to die. There is no exterior emergency release on it.
@@duvac12 that' insanely dumb
Looks stunning, good that MCI continues to innovate. Looks very similar to the EV intercity model
I don’t know who LEO is but he’s keeping it 100😂.
MCI is smart to have a lower cost model. As stalwart as the J4500 is, it’s wise not to rely on one. See they aren’t FORD or BOEING so MCI actually makes sure that something will work before releasing it. James I know that feeling of how much torment a crush can be and not being able to muster the courage to talk to her. I’m nearly 60 and still have trouble. Coach builders may or may not realize how their products are instrumental in shaping people’s life memories such as vacations or one day trips. I’ll go on a limb and say that the all electric coach’s will not last. You know that from that trip. I think they’ll revisit the hybrid concept. I could be wrong but a hybrid is the best of both worlds.
Always look forward to your videos.
What's wrong with Ford, there's a reason why the Ford F-Series trucks are the best selling vehicles in the US for over 45 years straight.
@@ford4x4 because they're the cheapest, and because rental companies buy shitloads of em. That story is repeating itself for over 30 years at Ford's
@@adamdion7574 Yes, why would rental companies buy a lot of them? Because Ford Pro is available on the commercial line of vehicles, Ford has engineered a highly sophisticated fleet management system that acts like FordPass, but for the entire fleet. They are cheap, it is Ford's main principal to build a product that is inexpensive so the masses can afford and use them, this appeals to the low income or low paying and oftentimes younger people, so they have a decent car to get around in, especially on the used car market. This story will repeat another 30 years into the future for Ford's appeal to rental companies and lower payed working class people.
@@ford4x4 People have a fixation with brand loyalty even when it’s garbage. Just read the current recalls and problems FORD is having with almost all of their products. Just about the only FORD product that isn’t plaqued with a multitude of problems is the heavy E SERIES chassis. Which is the foundation for many class C motor homes and shuttle buses.
@@crabbymilton390 it's Ur opinion of 'garbage' and the Ford Falcon and Territory also have little problems, with the only recall being Takata airbags. Brand loyalty is OK if U just prefer said brand, some ppl will go for a Hyundai over a Kia because of the relationship they have built with the brand. Yet I acknowledge the many recalls in Ford's recent history and I do not try to act as if it didn't happen, ppl who do that have overt brand loyalty which ofc is not always good. A friendly car debate is mostly harmless however, and in my previous response, I was just providing my opinion on Ford vehicles based on the facts. Friendly car debates always have some positives, any debate can, so long as it doesn't go too far. I hope I didnt waffle to much in my response and it was understandable.
My favorite intro!!!
Use the force, James! Thank you for another outstanding video. 👏
The state of CO just took delivery of some new D45CRT’s. Spotted one today.
Valley metro, the transit company in Phoenix Arizona has a few of these as express buses. They are awesome.
I loved the D series NYCT favorite bus and mine too
This is Winston Lu of Vancouver, Canada. Most Bus in Vancouver, Canada are Prevost or MCI type.
Both the D models (commuter and touring/charter) share the same 410 horsepower Cummins X12! Just happened to be looking at brochures just as you started talking about them hehe (Nicely done too MCI! the new D model looks amazing!)
thanks James. Great mci in Winnepeg still going. Had a great day there in 1984. caroline
Odd that you showed Darth Vader in this episode because my wife swears that you put some kind of Jedi mind trick on me to keep me so interested in, of all things, buses.
Lol 😂
Congratulations on your promotion James! Been awhile since I have commented on one of your videos, I am still watching though! Despite not having driven a coach for about 2years now, still enjoying phlebotomy!
Hey Katherine. It's good to hear from you. I was just thinking about you the other day. I was wondering if you had maybe gone back to driving lol. Thank you for the comment. Hope you are well.
@@MotorcoachWorld I am doing very well, thank you James!
That new D model seriously looks like a bus that could be build currently by a european manufacturer. It looks so modern!
Well except from the windshield but still...
James in full boss mode now 😁
He’s gotta start working on his Mr. Burns impressions. :)
@@crabbymilton390EEEEEEEXCELLENT. 🤣
Lol 🤣!!
I also rode on one of the old school MCI Dl-3 on a band trip through downtown Boston. The driver experienced some challenge. He ended up taking a sign up half the length of the side glass. I always looked forward to marching season because we got to ride in the carter buses!!
That's amazing! Started watching you a couple of days ago. I drive a privately owned luxury sprinter van and drive my boss and his family all over. I've always wanted to drive a charter bus and watching you has really got me thinking of actually going for it
Hello from India 🇮🇳 ♥
I’ve always loved MCI coaches, but these new D models just don’t do it for me. I think the front ends look horrible.
Congratulations on your CEO position and I love your content. I am a big time bus nut and have been from a young age. I was a Transit Bus Operator for 10 years and I am going into my 2nd year as a Motorcoach Operator and I LOVE IT!!!
That's a cool bus, my company I work for here in Florida has Volvo and Temsa coaches
Very beautiful coach...
I have been watching your videos for a while and I love the fact based presentation, other channels should learn from it. Keep up the good work, I will keep enjoying the videos and driving "my" MCI MC12 6V92T-5spd. Cheers.
The 'Legacy' D-Series is my favorite type of bus, and NJT has 1,222 D4500CTs in service.
The D45 CRT LE is an excellent coach for the transit agency that I'm working for. Excellent for highway travel and easy accessibility for mobility devices. However we demand the luggage compartment area for airport routes. Let see how MCI solve this problem
Unfortunately, there is a tradeoff between the luggage space and the vestibule area. There is some below floor luggage capacity, but it is only accessible from the roadside. As you already pointed out, this is not ideal for some applications of the D45 CRT LE.
This is an awesome video, and congratz again being the CEO
Hello PC CEO 1IYT..........James that stands for Peoria Charter Chief Executive Officer One interesting you tuber.......Loved those early photos of you, looked like a pro then, look like a pro now...........Keep the videos coming, they are really great the way you put them together, looks like it would take a lot of your time......Thank You James .........Jeff Thompson Rockford Illinois
Hey thank you! Much appreciated Jeff.
We got a loaner at my company , passenger door was different , but great ride !
He's the CEO now❤
I haven't seen a Peter Pan coach in decades. Didn't know they were still around.
Peter Pan still going strong up in New England,I see them almost daily.Shout to Peter Pan!
I love a mci bus
Main issue with LE model that my company identified, was the luggage bays were only accessible on the closed (street) side. We service the airport, so luggage is a thing, and loading in traffic is an absolute non-starter.
I got to drive for my first time a 2010 MCI D twice earlier this week, for the new company I now drive for.. For the rest of my week, I drove MCI 2013 J model. I think I prefer the J models so far. I do like it so far.
Everything must change to survive. It will be interesting to see which of the new models become popular. I’m guessing that in the private charter industry that the 40’ models might see the most use.
Exellent, James, thanks
Great workhouse that kept rolling on and on and on.....
Good video James! I've seen a couple of these on the road with Southeastern Stages out of ATL. The cockpit is still very much MCI but slightly more modernized (I only have the 4505 to compare to).
I was hoping to see some in grayhound liveries... But I believe they don't buy MCIs anymore is that correct?
@MotorcoachWorld currently no, our new buses will be Vanhools
Great looking bus. I haven’t seen any big coaches like that used as public transit here in Calgary Canada.
Banff Roam have 4 MCI D45CRT LE
@@titanxing3514 that’s more long haul though right?
@@DMSparky For route 8 or route 10 those long route
In Banff roam transit uses theses buses and I have been on them few times
I Like the D Coaches Dash with the Part Digital/Part Analog Gauges and the headlights they are sort of like the J Headlights but Slightly Modified. I Mainly Like the 1 door variant Because it is most Simular to the J even with the sliding door. And i think one of those in PCC's Livery would look Sick!
I do too lol hmmm 🤔
Let's hope the digital clusters don't have the issue where they don't turn on along with the bus like some older J series buses had. Gotta say so far our 2023s are fine, but our 2019s do that once in a while for whatever reason
Awesome looking coach! Now you should make a video about the J3500 if you haven't already.
I also have a question? Do you know why Prevost doesn't make any 35-foot coaches?
Hmmm 🤔 interesting question I'll have to look into that lol Thank you
No they don't
8:52 was a good bus. I even have pictures of it up in the air, no wheels touching the ground, and a few with it burred in snow when the engine blew a head gasket. It looks so tired there...Back when I drove it and its sisters, they all still had the new coach smell and drove so nice. One day Id like to buy one and restore it. But it will have to wait in line lol.
Also, you missed a D model. The D4000N. (I wont mention the D4000H or the other electric prototype), but the N was a 96 wide D for the Holland tunnel lines that NJ Transit wanted. Until they said no, and went with NovaBus. I never drove those, but I was told it was a rocket. The power of the D4000, with the maneuverability of an MC9.
One thing Im curious about. NJ Transit was really UPSET when they did the G style headlights on the D model, that MCI had to made the D4005 Classic, with square sealed headlights, just like an old D, with the new funky rear (thats now old). At some point I guess they took delivery of some of the G nose buses, but Im curious what model MCI will build for NJT. They are the largest fleet in the US, and its majority coach, and they are very picky. I dont want to say bad things about a mans work, but after designing the D series, and the Renaissance, its hard to top those. Man had his work cut out for him. I guess I got used to that space between the headlight and the base of the windshield.
So thanks. Thanks a lot. I wanted a MC9 in my fleet, so now I have to find a 102D3 as well! And of course I want one that I drove before. Great video!
That D4520 is not a bad looking coach. The low entry vestibule version makes a lot of sense for commuter buses. Appears to be a lot more efficient for loading and unloading. Plus, any capacity lost would be ok due to the frequency of commuter services in big cities I would think. And being an introvert, those single seats opposite the low vestibule would be perfect for me - no seat mate! 🤣 And of course luggage storage underneath wouldn’t be an issue.
Last time I drove we had MCI 9, 8,7
I see these a lot on Xpress bus runs hello James!!
Hey how you doing!
Congratulations on your promotion. I love the J Model chassis. I'm more interested in the operations of the loading/unloading doors on all coaches. I have always been fascinated by them. Bi fold, sliding, etc.
For the next bus on the market I want an istv with the Volvo toilet setup except with a bigger waste tank and fresh tank that does not take DEF and runs like a scolded cat and rides like luxury. Oh yea and the push button wheelchair ramp and extra luggage bay for the driver.
That is quite a wish list lol I love it😅
@@MotorcoachWorld Think of the money you could make. Telling a redneck they can go to Niagara Falls and Myrtle Beach on a badass prison bus with really nice hotels. They would drop the season tickets and ROLL.
The 40 foot range looks more proportional for that north american wheelbase configuration. The design of this new MCI model is the paradigm shift for north american motorcoach we’ve all been waiting, maybe not everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s a good start.
That center door will make it so much quicker for people to enter/exit. It looks like there are stairs to get down to the center door.
After I drove transit I learned on a 45' foot Van Hool T945 rocketship with a Cummins M11+. When I later encountered the 102DL3 I didn't like it as much because they turned "like the Queen Mary" and the driver seat wasn't an air seat. Also in that early 2000's era there were a slew of modern-look coaches including the E & J, the Setra S417, etc, and your passengers would be envious along side them at a big event somewhere. But, they were solid busses and made lots of money for their operators while plenty of fly-by-nights bled themselves dry leasing newer equipment.
now i wonder if they'll make a hybrid version?
Impressive and if you are wondering there were 2010 D4505s have a Detroit diesel engine EPA 10 compliant I've been on one of those Trans Bridge Lines Bethlehem Pennsylvania 363/365 Although on my return trip Trans Bridge Lines J4500 470 385. If you want me to tell you what their specifications are DD13 with B500R.
Thanks for the informative video. Has MCI ever built a bus with turning tag wheels? My old beef with the D model was the excessive wear on the tag tires when turning sharply. I had a better turning radius with my Setra and Neoplan CityLiner.
Yes. Some D's, E's and J's have steering tags.
@@amuroray1085 I have been out of the business for 25 years, so thanks for the answer. I am giving up my CDL when it expires in 2 weeks. 70 years, end of the line. 48 years of fun.
Yes they did for the last 10 years or so
I retired from tour driving in 2001, so I’m outta touch.
love your video James but why you don have prevost bus in your fleets? star trek but wee see star war lol
No no no. Don’t give him ideas. PREVOST and MERCEDES-BENZ don’t have CUMMINS engines and I own stock in them. 😀
They do have several PREVOST’s
@@crabbymilton390lol 🤣
@nck5000 I really do need to do a video on Prevost. All of our Prevosts are based at our Peoria facility. I should make a video on them next time I'm there.
I am surprised that MCI is not offering the ZF or Eaton Cummins Automated Transmission.
I've seen a video of the Eaton in action at their test track and it was mind blowing although they were using trucks with the Cummins X15 engine. That would make one hell of a drive train for an MCI or any other motorcoach.
I love buses, always did as a child, people ask me why do I love them so much, and my answer be I don't know I just do and I'm gonna continue to love them. I hope to start driving them one day soon. James I guess you can consider me a bus nut LOL I am a Fan of yours
I saw a d model grayhound chouch 😆😆😆😆😆
The D series I believe is the only 40' coach still around. Others are standard in 45' including the Prevost X345
Hi James , I hear form Cummins few day ago .
Cummins X10 will be have an similar power band of the X12 .
Interesting to see the new generation of the venerable D series bus. I would like to see a more detailed and thorough review of the wheelchair section of the bus including how the public actually uses it. And to find out how it’s actually working out in field use. I am somewhat concerned it is a bit of a road block to access and egress of the rear of the bus and may be a congestion point for entry and exit from the bus. As such, it will increase stage length times due to slower passenger boarding and exiting the bus.
2:37 Discovery Klingons. *rolls eyes*
I thought the height of MCI J4500 was 13' that's what the plaques says ...but still a really cool video you produced
It's nice to see the D series isn't gone, but ever since I first saw the LE prototype, I always thought it was pretty awkward how the vestibule is both lower and secluded, separated from the rest of the bus. I'm confident that a lot of disabled people wouldn't feel comfortable being set "apart" from the rest of the crowd or charter group. Seems to me that the best offered option is still to have the rear exterior wheelchair lift along with the moveable seats in the back. At least people using these are still sitting along with everybody else. Still hope to see one in real life eventually, curious how it compares to the J series
Mr Wang do MCI have the alternative to use either cummins or detriot engines?
Not anymore. CUMMINS is the sole engine in MCI products. The only way to get a DETROIT is if you buy a MERCEDES TOURRIDER. DAIMLER owns both so it’s a proprietary issue.
6:43 Phoenix Valley Metro has a fleet of these type of buses.
Ventura county Transportation commission buses have alot of MCI d4505s.
New Jersey Transit was gonna order these but we canned the order, but before I explain why, I need to discuss the way NJT does things. When NJT orders buses they like to order buses in bulk, as shown by our 7 year contract with MCI for over 1,000 D4500CTs! Anyhow, because we always order in bulk, we always give a couple hundred to private contractors who run contracted routes in the state of NJ, these buses being operated by the contractor but owned by NJT. With these buses comes some rules from the DOT of NJ:
1. The bus must be used for contracted operations only
2. The buses can not leave the tri state area (NJ, NY, CT)
With these rules, everything should be fine, right? Nope. After a few years, it was becoming apparent the contractors could simply not be able to keep these coaches because of financial issues and breaking the rules that I just mentioned. Before we got to that point, NJT ordered 172 D45CRTs, however, when we realized what was up with those contractor run D4500CTs, NJT forced the hand of the contractors to hand a lot of them back (It’s important to mention that NJT themselves operated most of the coaches on their own routes but the contractors operated a good lot of them). So when one contractor ended operations, DeCamp, NJT got the D4500CTs they operated returned to them, fulfilling part of the D45CRT order. When CoachUSA and Academy stated downsizing operations due to financial issues, NJT got a good bunch of the D4500CTs they ran returned back, which fulfilled the remaining part of the D45CRT order. Realizing that the order was no longer needed because of all the former private contractor coaches being returned, NJT indefinitely put the order on hold. NJT won’t replace the D4500CTs yet given how the oldest one is from 2016 and the youngest one is from 2023 (NJT actually got the last ever D4500CT built).
Actually NJT And the private companies Didn’t like the CRT along with MTA Drivers voted against the buses also
I just got my CDL. Thank you for all your videos and education. My question is, how much will commercial insurance be a month for a 2010 Coach, that sits 55 passengers. i’m in Las Vegas area. thinking of purchasing one soon.
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Nice video James. I kind of like the D4520. I wonder how many companies are going to order the 40ft D?
will their new bus have adaptive cruise control and lane departer warning like on our newer Freightliner Cascadia trucks at work?
Yes, the new D-coach models have an option for Bendix Fusion - adaptive cruise/collision mitigation/lane departure warning. Fun fact - The J series coaches also have an option for Bendix Fusion. The MCI legacy D-coach models also had an option for adaptive cruise/collision mitigation, but it wasn't as capable.
They redesigned the interior of the D series in 2015 and kept the rest of it the same body.
Can they give you automataed 13 speed transmission woth engine brake or stright manuel
I think PREVOST still offers an automated manual. MCI discontinued that ZF several years ago. I think many were also swapped out for ALLISON because they were so jerky and slow.
Manual definite no, automated maaaaayyyyybe but honestly I've never come across anyone who actually wishes and enjoys driving an automated manual, so I doubt it
Yippee I’m early🎉
So......All of that space for only one wheelchair and a seat......😮
How often do you see 2 wheelchairs on a bus
@me-it9jn All city buses and wheelchair coaches have area's for two wheelchairs......
This coach also has room for 2 wheel chairs.
Gotta question for you is it possible for travel agencys/ or someone who does a lot of bus trips to sign a deal with a bus company to provide transportation for any trip?
The number one rule for all drivers of all vehicles.....no fog , no fog lights.....like to see um implement a 500 dollar fine , left lane not passing , 1000 dollar fine
They need to send these to liberty and country coach to ne motor home and with slide out avalible pluse to band bus configuration
Have you driven any of the new body-style Prevost H3s yet?
Unfortunately no. I need to make that happen. They're not based out of the facility I work out of
@MotorcoachWorld Oh I see
I'm proud of you and your new duds. But you're still a baby your high school class in 2000 good grief son. Great video! But boy you said a mouthful letters. Your wife could stick them up through the school and teach an English class and a math class. Take good care of yourself.
What instrument did you play in orchestra?
Violin. I was a obedient Chinese kid 😅
@@MotorcoachWorld Man, we have so much in common, I thought you were cello! We have strings in common :-)
@@Vector_QF8 oh really?? I've always wanted to play the cello. I also really wanted to duet with a cellist. Ever since I watched Master and commander and read the books I've always wanted to play with a cellist that piece at the end of the movie.
I married my HS sweetheart violin player - 31 years in June! Music is 👍
@@Vector_QF8 oh congratulations! That is such a beautiful thing! Music is so awesome. You can almost say more to someone who also plays music and understand music than by speaking to someone who doesn't.
James gotta look the part now huh??? We see how it is......jk :)
Totally fair not to quote exact prices for them, but how about a range?
Why motorcoaches are missing basic safety feature like an airbag for the driver?
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it section. I sure wish we would see the more use of more pleasant colors and switch gear designs of the drivers and front areas of the bus. The paint everything flat black and making it always look depressingly dungeon penalty box design and function is not cool. It makes the old early mid century designs, shapes and colors look and feel far superior to today’s buses. Why do today’s buses always have to look so dark and gritty foundry factory grimy looking?
The new MCI D model looks ugly I’m so used to the old generation D model from 1994 until 2023
Does the J 4500 he’s not right as well as it used to? Baron‘s bus exclusively uses these and they shake rattle and roll and they are 2022 and newer. Heck there is one point where it felt like you were four wheeling in a bus.