Danny Ketch and the Hell Cycle would be Dope AF I love y'all guess and videos good ish and it would be kool if they did Ghost Rider 1,000,000 BC and his Woolly Mammoth fingers crossed ;)
@@thestrongcollectors That could work, too. :) Maybe do what they did, with the Onslaught BAF, about a decade or so ago, ant pack the Mr. Hyde head in with someone else, along with a Blackheart piece. :D
Great video, fellas. That Alejandra crossover with Venom, Red Hulk and X-23 was called Circle of Four, BTW and was another homage to New FF lineup. GR is my absolute favorite, and while I'd love Hasbro to do a ton of Toybiz homages, I'm not sure how well they'd sell outside of a few very toyetic characters from original line. (90s Blaze, the vampire Blackout and demon Skinner) Zarathos was/is Blaze's possessing spirit but was separated and was a villain in the 90s. Would love a Marvel Scarecrow to battle GR too. A new Ketch and bike would sell well I think, HOWEVER, their recent Retro release Blaze may have spoiled the fun by painting an old Rhino Wave Blaze GR the same color scheme as Danny's GR (sans spikes, etc) which is a totally different character. So we could have a Blaze GR and a new Ketch GR figure painted almost the same. 😨 Anyway...for reading, I would controversially tell you to avoid most of the early 70s run. It is convoluted early on but has a few gems. Issue 68 is a Roger Stern masterpiece and the run does get excellent at the end with JM DeMatteis. I would recommend the first 7 issues of the 90s run by Howard Mackie. They are near perfect and turned a book predicted to be a massive failure by other Marvel staff into a smash hit success. I can't suggest them enough and art is stellar. But if you want a slightly more recent grind house style insane read, I'd suggest Jason Aaron's run from 2008. Every issue is totally nuts and art is killer. Him and Tony Moore do a whole backstory featuring Riders throughout time that is just epic. Sorry for the lengthy response...keep up the good work!
This was an amazing response! Thank you. super informative. I'll check out the 2008 run for sure, I'd love to see the Riders throughout time. And maybe some of the older stuff you mentioned too. I feel like now that I've seen Zarathos I really want him as a figure. He looks awesome.
If you like that one, check out GR Annual #2 from the 90s. It was one of Warren Ellis' 1st Marvel issues and it features a super strong Scarecrow who heals when he's around afraid people. So the GR punishes his viscous crimes by breaking every bone in his body and holding him in that odd position til his body heals incorrectly and like a pretzel. He drops him on the ground and takes off. Total savage.
@@thestrongcollectors It's badass. Scarecrow is facing off with the Rider and is threatening to kill his hostages when GR says: "When you have killed all the innocents, Scarecrow...What then will prevent me from exacting my Vengeance a thousand times heavier?" Stopped Scarecrow dead in his tracks. *chefs kiss*
They should do a classic ghost rider in the blue suit with a bike. And it's a pinless body. I doubt will ever get a general release mefisto Because he's a devil character.
I don't know why that would be so hard because it seems more rare that there are general releases now. It's all some type of exclusive and there's always pulse so it's a choice to not do him by hasbro not general retail.
Johnny Blaze, Danny Ketch/Ghost Rider, Vengeance, Blackout, Hellstrom, and Etrigan the Demon. Pretty sure Dan specified that the anonymous, forthcoming "rider" was NOT going to be a motorcycle. Also, I would assume that the reason Ant-Man cast Hank Pym as a mentor to Scott had more to do with Hank's troubling character legacy as a wife beater more than anything else. So there's no reason to assume that the MCU's Ghostrider will not be Johhny Blaze. There is literally no other example of the MCU going with a hero's second iteration. Captain Marvel doesn't count because Carol is, and has been the current Captain Marvel for years, and Mar-Vell died decades ago.
At the point at which you were discussing the possibility of a green hued Sasquatch, I could only think about Jordan's resemblance to "Bubbles" from Trailer Park Boys. So, SAMSQUANCH!
Nice video. The Jesus-like character of the 1970s was introduced by the writer to "save" Johnny Blaze, but when the big reveal story came to the Marvel offices, it read like Marvel was saying that Judeo-Christian beliefs were the official "Spiritual Truth" of the Marvel Universe, and a lot of readers would likely be offended by that notion. For that reason, the story was reworked in-office, to make the nameless "Friend" part of a ploy for Satan to enslave Johnny. I think it improved the story. Satan is a deceiver, after all.
Interesting. I wonder how that would play out today. I could see it being cool but also upsetting more people. You'd get the people that don't want Jesus in the books because they don't want religion put in. Then I could see the hard core right being mad that Jesus is put in the comics because it's not in line with their values.
If it’s a Ketch wave there’s Deathwatch, mullet Blaze, Blackout, Lilith, Caretaker. It may be a lot of new tooling for a retro wave but I hope it’s Ketch centric. And I hope it drops a month or so before Halloween for some added atmosphere.
Right now I think you brothers have become my fave toy people (especially marvel stuff) Keep on keeping on, you both do an awesome job. And Hasbro Red Hulk STILL rocks the house. I have him in my Thunderbolts set up
ya'll are young boys squares to old school marvel that new crap an't worth anything don't know anything in regards to the original characters mesphisto and son of satan and satanna
So my displays are three major setups (before my time, my youth, and nebulously modern) so I desperately need a Danny for my youth and a Robbie for my modern.
May have to turn to a custom for Robbie but that seems pretty doable for him. I'm sure at some point they'll do Danny. They know people want him so it's just a matter of time.
It feels like Ghost Rider characters aren't popular enough for Hasbro to have done but maybe if we got one each year or a couple we'd eventually see a decent Hasbro collection built for him.
A retro Ghost Rider wave is likely. Filler to match FF's small assortment+wave is a good theory as to quantity. The Rider Series is definitely going to have Dan Ketch & Vengeance and possibly the female Ghost Rider... at sOmE point. Blackheart will possibly be a random deluxe like Mojo. The Ghost Rider retro figures will likely contain: Caretaker, Black Rose, Blaze, Zarathos, Blackout and Skinner.
I'm not sure if we misspoke in the episode but it won't be a new Rider wave just a single 1 off like the rider waves from before. If it was a wave i'd be confident in a Danny but if it's just 1 i think there are others it could be that might bump him out at least for now sadly.
@@thestrongcollectorsyou were clear. I mentioned the Rider Series Rider it could be. In a probable order. I am beyond aware Rider Figures dont appear in waves.
The original run for danny ketch is super fun and b movie cheesy , i think only the first 20 issues or so are on the MU app before it starts having gaps in the issues
@@thestrongcollectors I'm having that problem as well, I've just been buying the back issues, but I know there are a few sites online that you can find most any comic to read illegally like any movie site does haha
Dakota, you got to get over the dislike of non-recent comics. There are a lot of old comics with literary value. I hope you can experience and enjoy all art, not just recent stuff. If you are worried about being overwhelmed with how much there is out there, don't. We are all in the same boat. If you had the same issue with movies, music, and literature, I think you can easily see how you would be missing out on a lot of good stuff. 👍
Yeah it's just so rare that I enjoy any of the older stuff as much as the new. I would like to eventually get around to reading the Jim Lee Xmen stuff. I've read a few issues here and there that came with the ToyBiz Legends. What's a sure fire good Marvel story that's older you'd recommend. Preferably the shorter the better so I can get to the 100s of other stories I have saved too.
@@thestrongcollectors I think you were familiar with Heroes Return Iron Man or Heroes Return Avengers by Kurt Busiek. Have you read Untold Tales of Spider-Man? It's not so old but written to match the style and one of my favorites.
I would much prefer a big retro carded black heart over a baf. Maybe a 2 pack if he comes with someone else cool but would like to not have to hunt down parts.
We need a Danny Ketch for sure. That should be a no brainer riders series. Then on retro I would say Lilith, Zarathos, Blackheart and finally a Mephisto
Yeah that's one of my big hopes for the Ghost Rider retro card. and even going back to the FF retro wave since they don't have a big on on yet, I'd love to see Dragon Man there.
I know this might be a stretch but if they do make a ghost rider wave it would be cool to have the motorcycle as a figure or even a build a figure motorcycle
Honestly they could totally sell the bike as a stand alone. there's several Ghost Riders that didn't come with a bike maybe the do a more traditional bike as a single pack and then Danny could come with his bike since it's specific to him.
@@thestrongcollectors standalone that was the word I was looking for, I agree I think it would be cool, or a Johnny blaze motor cycle with snap on pieces to make the Danny ketch motorcycle but that’s just wishful thinking
I think after the Classified teams successful Vamp and Clutch $100 set, is it unreasonable to think they may cave and release the Engine of Vengeance? Then release the tier figures separately?
I think it's possible but I think it would be down the line quite a ways. They can't fail at something then put it out too soon. I'd think they would shelve the EOV itself for maybe 5 years before coming back to it. Maybe some of the tiers though in alternate looks.
Been wanting ketch as I had him as a kid on the toybiz and he’s long overdue. What if they put him on the retro card and like the iron man retro proton cannon, put the bike inside a separate box and have both inside one of the shipper boxes that may have some cool deco on it. I would buy 2.
I think that would be ideal. It seems like no matter how it gets made it will probably be windowless kind of like the Hawkeye we just got and I would rather see it with the retro look.
We say "woke agenda" more so as a jab at the folks that actually think that and more so to the people that think it's a problem. People want to cry about female and non white and non straight representation. Jordan and I are all for the "woke agenda".
Danny Ketch and the Hell Cycle would be Dope AF I love y'all guess and videos good ish and it would be kool if they did Ghost Rider 1,000,000 BC and his Woolly Mammoth fingers crossed ;)
I feel like we might have a better chance of a flaming Mammoth from 5k toys or one of those off shoots but i'd love to see it some day.
Danny Ketch 90s version
Johnny Blaze 90s trench coat version
Deathwatch
Lilith (Queen of Demons)
Blackout
Scarecrow
Madcap
BAF classic Mr. Hyde
I'd personally swap the baf to be Black Heart. I've seen some people do some really good customs with of him.
@@thestrongcollectors That could work, too. :) Maybe do what they did, with the Onslaught BAF, about a decade or so ago, ant pack the Mr. Hyde head in with someone else, along with a Blackheart piece. :D
Great video, fellas. That Alejandra crossover with Venom, Red Hulk and X-23 was called Circle of Four, BTW and was another homage to New FF lineup.
GR is my absolute favorite, and while I'd love Hasbro to do a ton of Toybiz homages, I'm not sure how well they'd sell outside of a few very toyetic characters from original line. (90s Blaze, the vampire Blackout and demon Skinner) Zarathos was/is Blaze's possessing spirit but was separated and was a villain in the 90s. Would love a Marvel Scarecrow to battle GR too.
A new Ketch and bike would sell well I think, HOWEVER, their recent Retro release Blaze may have spoiled the fun by painting an old Rhino Wave Blaze GR the same color scheme as Danny's GR (sans spikes, etc) which is a totally different character. So we could have a Blaze GR and a new Ketch GR figure painted almost the same. 😨
Anyway...for reading, I would controversially tell you to avoid most of the early 70s run. It is convoluted early on but has a few gems. Issue 68 is a Roger Stern masterpiece and the run does get excellent at the end with JM DeMatteis. I would recommend the first 7 issues of the 90s run by Howard Mackie. They are near perfect and turned a book predicted to be a massive failure by other Marvel staff into a smash hit success. I can't suggest them enough and art is stellar.
But if you want a slightly more recent grind house style insane read, I'd suggest Jason Aaron's run from 2008. Every issue is totally nuts and art is killer. Him and Tony Moore do a whole backstory featuring Riders throughout time that is just epic.
Sorry for the lengthy response...keep up the good work!
This was an amazing response! Thank you. super informative. I'll check out the 2008 run for sure, I'd love to see the Riders throughout time. And maybe some of the older stuff you mentioned too. I feel like now that I've seen Zarathos I really want him as a figure. He looks awesome.
Best GR story that I can recommend is Fear with Scarecrow and Captain America. It's a one shot and it was basically the only GR comic I had.
If you like that one, check out GR Annual #2 from the 90s. It was one of Warren Ellis' 1st Marvel issues and it features a super strong Scarecrow who heals when he's around afraid people. So the GR punishes his viscous crimes by breaking every bone in his body and holding him in that odd position til his body heals incorrectly and like a pretzel. He drops him on the ground and takes off. Total savage.
ooo a one shot... that's a for sure. I love a short great story.
@@thestrongcollectors It's badass. Scarecrow is facing off with the Rider and is threatening to kill his hostages when GR says: "When you have killed all the innocents, Scarecrow...What then will prevent me from exacting my Vengeance a thousand times heavier?" Stopped Scarecrow dead in his tracks. *chefs kiss*
alejandra's bike is kinda like the black widow and I'd take a doc Samson and sasquatch 2 pack 😅
That's true. You would just need some flames added to the black widow bike.
We need Danny Ketch and his bike, Black heart, and Mephisto.
I'm on board with all three of those!
They should do a classic ghost rider in the blue suit with a bike. And it's a pinless body. I doubt will ever get a general release mefisto Because he's a devil character.
I don't know why that would be so hard because it seems more rare that there are general releases now. It's all some type of exclusive and there's always pulse so it's a choice to not do him by hasbro not general retail.
And you'd think they would do him by now because he has gone up against Doctor Strange and Ghost Rider.
need a new caretaker Carter slade with a horse is something I would pay for..wishful thinking I know 😁
I really wonder how good of a horse Hasbro could do.
@@thestrongcollectors I don't think they ever did one
Johnny Blaze, Danny Ketch/Ghost Rider, Vengeance, Blackout, Hellstrom, and Etrigan the Demon.
Pretty sure Dan specified that the anonymous, forthcoming "rider" was NOT going to be a motorcycle.
Also, I would assume that the reason Ant-Man cast Hank Pym as a mentor to Scott had more to do with Hank's troubling character legacy as a wife beater more than anything else. So there's no reason to assume that the MCU's Ghostrider will not be Johhny Blaze. There is literally no other example of the MCU going with a hero's second iteration. Captain Marvel doesn't count because Carol is, and has been the current Captain Marvel for years, and Mar-Vell died decades ago.
Does Marvel have an Etrigan the Demon too?
@@thestrongcollectors no he’s a DC character
That's what I thought.
@@thestrongcollectors sorry, I meant Gargoyle from the Defenders.
I still have all of the toybiz figs, if this happens I am all for it.
that would be a cool display to have them side by side.
At the point at which you were discussing the possibility of a green hued Sasquatch, I could only think about Jordan's resemblance to "Bubbles" from Trailer Park Boys. So, SAMSQUANCH!
I (Jordan) take that as a compliment of the highest order! Bring on Samsquanch!
Nice video. The Jesus-like character of the 1970s was introduced by the writer to "save" Johnny Blaze, but when the big reveal story came to the Marvel offices, it read like Marvel was saying that Judeo-Christian beliefs were the official "Spiritual Truth" of the Marvel Universe, and a lot of readers would likely be offended by that notion. For that reason, the story was reworked in-office, to make the nameless "Friend" part of a ploy for Satan to enslave Johnny. I think it improved the story. Satan is a deceiver, after all.
Interesting. I wonder how that would play out today. I could see it being cool but also upsetting more people. You'd get the people that don't want Jesus in the books because they don't want religion put in. Then I could see the hard core right being mad that Jesus is put in the comics because it's not in line with their values.
If it’s a Ketch wave there’s Deathwatch, mullet Blaze, Blackout, Lilith, Caretaker. It may be a lot of new tooling for a retro wave but I hope it’s Ketch centric. And I hope it drops a month or so before Halloween for some added atmosphere.
Maybe if it wasn't a wave it it was just a slow trickle of figures. a couple per year then we could see some extra tooling put into them.
Right now I think you brothers have become my fave toy people (especially marvel stuff) Keep on keeping on, you both do an awesome job. And Hasbro Red Hulk STILL rocks the house. I have him in my Thunderbolts set up
Thank you! We'd like to think we're the best there is at what we do. And what we do it pretty nice.
Also Sasquatch Not BAF aka Sasquatch From AF And Man Thing Not BAF in Marvel Legends
I would think that the Ghost Rider Retro card would have 1 on the deluxe retro and I hope that's Black Heart.
ya'll are young boys squares to old school marvel that new crap an't worth anything
don't know anything in regards to the original characters mesphisto and son of satan and satanna
not sure what you're really saying.
Wolverine and Punisher rider seris were 39.99 MSRP as was the Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider and Black Widow.
That's an awesome price at least by today's standards. How did people feel about it at the time?
Ghost rider 2099
I would really like to see more 2099 figures.
So my displays are three major setups (before my time, my youth, and nebulously modern) so I desperately need a Danny for my youth and a Robbie for my modern.
May have to turn to a custom for Robbie but that seems pretty doable for him. I'm sure at some point they'll do Danny. They know people want him so it's just a matter of time.
I would love to See Deathwatch, scarecrow and Jennifer kale, blackout they were some of my favorites ghost Rider a characters
It feels like Ghost Rider characters aren't popular enough for Hasbro to have done but maybe if we got one each year or a couple we'd eventually see a decent Hasbro collection built for him.
A ghost rider wave would be deserving! Especially after they failed to give us "the year of vengeance" 🤦🏿♂️
yeah after EOV fell flat they really said no more vengeance.
Great discussion guys. If I were in Hasbro ML's shoes and I wanted a Ghost Rider themed wave, I would complete the Champions.
Imagine if the next Haslab was a 1,00,000 BC Ghost Rider! I'd be so tempted by that just because it would be so crazy
@@thestrongcollectors Who doesn't want a flaming wooly mammoth?
A retro Ghost Rider wave is likely. Filler to match FF's small assortment+wave is a good theory as to quantity.
The Rider Series is definitely going to have Dan Ketch & Vengeance and possibly the female Ghost Rider... at sOmE point.
Blackheart will possibly be a random deluxe like Mojo.
The Ghost Rider retro figures will likely contain: Caretaker, Black Rose, Blaze, Zarathos, Blackout and Skinner.
I'm not sure if we misspoke in the episode but it won't be a new Rider wave just a single 1 off like the rider waves from before. If it was a wave i'd be confident in a Danny but if it's just 1 i think there are others it could be that might bump him out at least for now sadly.
@@thestrongcollectorsyou were clear. I mentioned the Rider Series Rider it could be. In a probable order. I am beyond aware Rider Figures dont appear in waves.
Its gonna be another Professor X in his Hoverchair
I wouldn't mind that.
@@thestrongcollectors
Likewise..I don't have the previous release & it's going for $100 or so on the aftermarket
I got him in a lot and he was pretty cool but I can't keep him when he's going that high. I can get 4 new Legends for the price of 1 professor x.
@@thestrongcollectors Well if he gets released in the coming year... most likely in the next X Men 97 wave,.we can both get him at a much better price
I think the new riders figure was hinted that it might be Crystal & Lockjaw
I think people would love that. They'd want a Ghost Rider but it feels like Lockjaw is well overdue too.
White Out, Roxanne, Werewolf by Night and Jack O-lantern
We have Jack O Lantern coming on the spiderman retro card so I doubt we'd get another, but Jordan would love to get a new Werewolf by Night.
The guy from sons of anarchy would be perfect for mcu ghost rider, imo
My vote is they cast Jordan.
Man ya knowledge of comics are bad..ghost rider 2099
Oh yeah. with a chain saw hand. that would be cool.
The original run for danny ketch is super fun and b movie cheesy , i think only the first 20 issues or so are on the MU app before it starts having gaps in the issues
Do you know what it has the gaps?
@@thestrongcollectors I'm having that problem as well, I've just been buying the back issues, but I know there are a few sites online that you can find most any comic to read illegally like any movie site does haha
I think I have 3 or 4 of the 'Monsters' from that old Ghost Rider Wave! I had a Ghost Rider and had to return him because he had 2 left arms!
Someone else was just telling me that had got a Mythic Legion with 2 rights.
Dakota, you got to get over the dislike of non-recent comics. There are a lot of old comics with literary value. I hope you can experience and enjoy all art, not just recent stuff. If you are worried about being overwhelmed with how much there is out there, don't. We are all in the same boat. If you had the same issue with movies, music, and literature, I think you can easily see how you would be missing out on a lot of good stuff. 👍
Yeah it's just so rare that I enjoy any of the older stuff as much as the new. I would like to eventually get around to reading the Jim Lee Xmen stuff. I've read a few issues here and there that came with the ToyBiz Legends. What's a sure fire good Marvel story that's older you'd recommend. Preferably the shorter the better so I can get to the 100s of other stories I have saved too.
@@thestrongcollectors I think you were familiar with Heroes Return Iron Man or Heroes Return Avengers by Kurt Busiek. Have you read Untold Tales of Spider-Man? It's not so old but written to match the style and one of my favorites.
Naw, I'm with Dakota. Everything before 1990 is a singular era, then it's 90s/2000s, and modern.
Daniel Way's Ghost Rider run was excellent
Thank you for the recommendation. I just added that to my list in the MU app.
they should also do Blackheart on a retro card a big a$$ retro card but still retro card they did Apocalypse on one so it would work
and what about Satana????
I would much prefer a big retro carded black heart over a baf. Maybe a 2 pack if he comes with someone else cool but would like to not have to hunt down parts.
We need a Danny Ketch for sure. That should be a no brainer riders series. Then on retro I would say Lilith, Zarathos, Blackheart and finally a Mephisto
P.s. they do large retro cards so blackheart shouldn't be a problem. See Rhino, Kingpin, Apocalypse...
Yeah that's one of my big hopes for the Ghost Rider retro card. and even going back to the FF retro wave since they don't have a big on on yet, I'd love to see Dragon Man there.
Good opportunity to get some Midnight Sons in there too. 90s Blade, Hannibal King, Victoria Montesi and 90s Strange
I know this might be a stretch but if they do make a ghost rider wave it would be cool to have the motorcycle as a figure or even a build a figure motorcycle
Honestly they could totally sell the bike as a stand alone. there's several Ghost Riders that didn't come with a bike maybe the do a more traditional bike as a single pack and then Danny could come with his bike since it's specific to him.
@@thestrongcollectors standalone that was the word I was looking for, I agree I think it would be cool, or a Johnny blaze motor cycle with snap on pieces to make the Danny ketch motorcycle but that’s just wishful thinking
oh baby! a modular bike? That would be soo cool.
Black Heart and Lilith two pack
I think Black Heart in a 2 pack seems the most likely.
I think after the Classified teams successful Vamp and Clutch $100 set, is it unreasonable to think they may cave and release the Engine of Vengeance? Then release the tier figures separately?
I think it's possible but I think it would be down the line quite a ways. They can't fail at something then put it out too soon. I'd think they would shelve the EOV itself for maybe 5 years before coming back to it. Maybe some of the tiers though in alternate looks.
Been wanting ketch as I had him as a kid on the toybiz and he’s long overdue. What if they put him on the retro card and like the iron man retro proton cannon, put the bike inside a separate box and have both inside one of the shipper boxes that may have some cool deco on it. I would buy 2.
I think that would be ideal. It seems like no matter how it gets made it will probably be windowless kind of like the Hawkeye we just got and I would rather see it with the retro look.
Woke agenda? Define a woke agenda?
If you don’t know what the woke agenda is then you are part of the problem, you are just a sheep. Gob bless your soul.
We say "woke agenda" more so as a jab at the folks that actually think that and more so to the people that think it's a problem. People want to cry about female and non white and non straight representation. Jordan and I are all for the "woke agenda".