Omega and Glashütte Original Under Swatch
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- In many ways, Omega and Glashütte Original represent mid-level watches, and while there are similarities, some brought about by Swatch, other features speaks to the uniqueness of each.
Both make excellent watches, but my heart leans towards Glashütte Original :D Thanks Bill for the great video.
The heart wants what the heart wants Abdul! Take care, Bill
I thought about the omega seamaster but went for the GO seaQ panorama date a few years ago. The craftsmanship is gorgeous and I’ve got no regrets. And I love the fact that when I walk into a room it’s almost guaranteed no one else will be wearing a GO, and for the most part will never have heard of it. But I’ve got a speedy on my “to buy” list, and omega does make some cool watches
Omega makes some cool watches ok, as long as Swatch doesn't ruin them, Dad. Take care, Bill
Both GO and Omega watches reflect well on Swatch. GO is the smaller artisanal Glashutte brand while Omega is many times larger than GO. GO doesn’t have a large network of ADs in the U.S. and this is probably by design given the production capacity of GO. GO is a premier dial maker both for itself and undisclosed B2B customers with its dial manufactory in Pforzheim, Germany’s traditional jewelry center, an hour or so from Glashutte. Overall, Omega has some very well conceived and long established references which attract long term collectors because of the depth of the Omega catalogue and the historicity of the brand. As for the silicon hairsprings, Omega is a very forward brand technologically speaking as witnessed by its embrace of George Daniel’s co-axial escapement after both Patek and Rolex rejected it. There is a case for silicon hairsprings even though there are some negative attributes. All things considered, I think that Omega is genuinely motivated by what it believes is in the best interests of its customers and their long term ownership of Omega timepieces.
Howard, both may reflect well on Swatch; but I don't think Swatch reflects well on GO and Omega. Take care, Bill
GO moved their dial production to Glashütte during Covid.
@@watchartsci I think that we are sometimes too hard on the parent companies even though they admittedly make mistakes. It is easier to sit in the stands at McKale Memorial Center and criticize the Wildcat’s basketball coach than it is to be the Wildcat’s basketball coach. Nicholas Hayek did many constructive things to help the revival of the Swiss watch industry after the Quartz Crisis including rescuing a number of brands and suppliers earmarked for extinction.
Very few people realize that through 2021, every part of an Omega watch was made in Switzerland. That changed in 2022, when Omega shifted to allowing up to 40% by value made in China components, or made in Thailand, or Mauritius (yes, a “Swiss” watch component industry operates there), or wherever.
Oh no! I didn't realize that Ced! Take care, Bill
That GO Vintage Seventies is stunning. I have a soft spot for TV dial watches. I have the Patek 5164, which is kind of square... and I must admit, I LOVE my Brew Metric... I have been truly eyeing that GO Seventies. It's beautiful. A bit thick though.
Hey Charles, as I write this note I have on my big Henry Double Hairspring by H. Moser et Cie-big rectangle. Take care, Bill
the best thing about the senator Chronometer is that the minutes go in steps of one minute and just land exactly on the minute every time. Very very cool sneaky complication
Is this true for all Senator chronometers? Wasn’t sure if only on a few models but agree it’s very cool. Would be great to know the movement reference.
That's only true while you're setting the time. During normal operation, the minute hand sweeps like normal.
Both the Senator Chronometer and Chronometer Regulator have a system that zeroes the seconds and moves the minute hand in one minute intervals while setting the time.
They also don't have silicon hairsprings which Bill so detests. =) It makes sense, since these models harken back to marine chronometers.
Thanks for the info Boobe... looks like there are some considerations in Senator. BTW, the Senator is one of my favorite GOs! Take care, Bill
Finally have some time to watch a video from you. Glad to spend my time to.
Thanks a lot!
Glad to hear you liked it Edardo! Take care, Bill
I have a Glashutte Original Seaq Panorama Date. Lovely beast of a watch. The "Spezialist" collection is their designation for tool and rugged use watches.
Thanks Blind Skwerl! Take care, Bill
The GO's have swan neck regulators and silicon hairsprings. Just for decoration purposes
Oh no Andres! Say it ain't so! Take care, Bill
Many thank for the quick comparisons, Bill. Must admit that a GO is still in my "in-tray" but it's tough to let it slide ahead of an ALS.
A lot of the GO models have dodged the silicon bullet, Weez! Take care, Bill
Hi Bill, you can compare Longines and Union Glashutte too, while at it. Both Swatch, and both lower price tier than these two. 😊
Hi Gilberto! I like things about both brands. UG is very economic. Take care, Bill
Fantastic, thanks for sharing Bill.
Hey Andre, thanks man! Take care, Bill
Very interesting selection and comparison. I do like the moon watch it just works as far as looks, form, and function. I also wouldn't own one with a silicon hairspring it ruins the traditionally and transforms the watch into a cousin of an Apple watch! Excellent video Bill thanks.
Same here Dom! If I want silicon in my timepiece I'll get an Apple Watch. Take care, Bill
Hi Bill, whilst I understand the technical benefits that silicon hairsprings and escapements offer, like you I have a strong preference for hairsprings and escapements made from more traditional materials.
You mentioned the presence of a swan neck regulator (and therefore regulator pins) as a feature that necessarily implies a metallic hairspring.
I believed that this was the case too, until I learned of an exception last week.
It turns out that Horage use traditional regulators, with adjustable mobile regulator pins to shorten or lengthen the active length of the hairspring in some watches that have silicon hairsprings and escapements.
I believe that Horage are the only manufacturer that has done this, all other movements with silicon hairsprings that I know of are freesprung.
Mercurial, has you seen the "exception?" A 'blade' is added to the end of the silicon spring that has some give. That's their capacity to regulate. Of course they're free spring; they cannot make curb regulators with silicon. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci Hi Bill, I haven’t seen the system you describe. Do you know which calibres or watches Horage use it in?
I was referring to their new Microreg technology, which has adjustable regulator pins that move along the terminal curve of the hairspring to adjust its effective length and therefore the rate of the watch.
I don’t know what the regulator pins themselves are made of, but the hairspring and escapement are silicon. The balance wheel has adjustable weights for timing and poising, but it is not freesprung.
Hi Bill, Thanks for this the GO Caliber 58-08 has a quick reset function which they have used in lower end watches too. Oh and the GO Cal-100 too
Thanks for the info Apars! Take care, Bill
Anything w Swatch is s Hard Pass !!! Even Brequet……. Nice content Bill 🥃
Unfortunately, Tim. Have to dig out a Daniel Roth from an 80's Breguet. Take care, Bill
Hi Bill. For now at least, Glashutte seems to be keeping itself aloof from the grand machinations of that evil Swatch monster. The Omega Speciality looks excellent. But the more basic de-Viiles, and also the Sixties from Glashutte, are the kind of quality, everyday, obtainable watches that appeal more to my taste.
Maybe some brainiac at Swatch realizes that silicon hairsprings and the elegant swan neck regulators don't work together, Tuna. Take care, Bill
Love the SeaQ ... Thanks Bill !
My Sea- Gull 1963 has a Swan neck regulator
Yes, some GOs do! Nice going Junior! Take care, Bill
Thx Bill for sharing. I was surprised you started off with chronograph😂 It is becoming more difficult to spot which models GO uses silicon hairspring.
It gets to the point where a brand has been so 'Swatchized' Raymond, that I just don't look anymore. GO has lots of great watches with swan-neck regulators... that means no silicon. Take care, Bill
I had a new moon watch back in 1973 and want to replace it but don't know if there was more than one movement in that watch then.
Perhaps you are missing the point. Swatch design enabled robotics to produce functional watches at an affordable price = market domination = demise of what is considered valuable..Also 600m is not a serious depth unless you are at 600m. That they still produce these anachronisms shows a dedication to craft and a mastery of marketing (something Swatch has in abundance).
Clive, I didn't get into watch collection to marvel at how robotics and smart machines increased profitability and lowered prices for cheap watches. (Before I retired I did everything from creating interfaces for robots to programming iPhones.) With watch collection, we have many avenues, and the one that I have chosen involves traditional, even archaic mechanisms for keeping time. To invoke names like 'Breguet' is to imply the craftsmanship, materials and traditions going back to before the French Revolution. Adding silicon hairsprings is equivalent to giving up on those traditions-why not just stick in a quartz or digital mechanism? So, no, I did not miss the point. I got it, and I don't like it. Take care, Bill
The point though no doubt clumsily made was one of the irony that the high tech production of utilitarian watches has led to the preservation of traditional watchmaking methods as a means of further developing and maintaining a luxury market for the excess product of highly specced timepieces.
Irony is a concept lost or not understood by some in your part of the world. 'He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot.' as spoken by Groucho Marx in relation to Chiccolini in Duck Soup is an example of non irony.
When I think of the history of mechanical horology longitude is the word foremost in mind rather than the manufacture of baubles be they exquisite time pieces or the various luxury good denoting prestige on their possessors in the French aristocracy. The development of automata at that time could be considered far more fascinating to some and served a similar purpose. @@watchartsci
Many thanks Bill . Very interesting issue.
Talking about Lemania 1873 ,pls see what the Italian micro brand Venezianico executed, with 70 restored pcs of Lemania 1873.
With love and deep appreciation
Nizar
Venezianico is renown for scamming and misstreating its customers...
Hi Nizar, yes, V. has done some interesting watches with Lemania 1873. Take care, Bill
Hi Bill , Do you happen to know when Omega stopped using the 320 movement in the moon watch ? Thanks man.
I guess you meant the 321 movement. I think it was either 67 or 68 the 321 was replaced by 861 and shortly after that it landed on the Moon. But it was the 321 which was the version approved by NASA though.
They still use a updated version of the 321 today... only in the "Ed White" version tho.
Hi Don, I sort of gave up on Omega ever since Swatch started stuffing silicon hairsprings in them. I thought you could still get a 321 version of the Moon Watch. No? Take care, Bill
I have a GO Panograph. It is my first proper timepiece that I got for myself to commemorate being a freelancer and managing to survive at that. That was 14 years ago.
Fast forward to end of 2023 and I have to say I'm extremely disappointed in GO and Swatch in general. I sent in my watch for servicing and they shipped it to HK. Three months later it came back and the counter function wasn't working as it should. Had to send it back to HK again and wait another three months.
How the watch left the service centre without the counter function being checked is to me a huge failure on their end. All that was offered to me was a pretty generic apology, still charged me full price for service and to add insult to injury told me they'd give me a 10% discount on a new factory leather strap.
And thanks to that really bad experience, I have now lost quite bit of sentimental value for the watch. Lost respect for the brand as well as Swatch.
Wow Ong! What a mess! Sorry that you had such a bad experience with your Pano. Take care, man, Bill
Speedy, SeaQ, Senator. But I like them all!😁
Scotty, my picks too, but I've also always had a liking of the Seamaster. Take care, Bill
Bill how are you?
I'm fine,Cesar, why? Take care, Bill
Count down?
Cesar, you're getting strange... count down to what? Take care, Bill
Swatch group has 7 million watches in stock, Swatch has destroyed Omega by selling plastic MoonSwatch branded as Omega! They just won’t learn how to do marketing right! And now they also destroyed Blancpain, with Swatch plastic Fifty Fathoms 🤮
Omega isn't the only Swatch casualty, O'bud...Breguet, Blancpain and any other watch with a history before Swatch took over. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci So true Bill, so true!
Omega has lost the plot, they are asking almost 50.000 USD for a simple time-only sportswatch... The movement's bridges are made off titanium, but that still doesnt warrent the price in my opinion. Thats about double the price of a solid gold Chopard L.U.C. Alpine Eagle... 😂
The easiest way to get the price of those Omegas lower is not to pay that price. Take care, Bill