Soooooo glad i found your streams love watching them everyday brings back sooooooo many good memories from my teenage years keep up the great work Falcon💪💪👏👏👏
"It takes two to siege" was the line of the game, not epic but such a sensation to see skill in different places in these games, treat for us! Thanks Falcon . ever well-wisher
11:00 Bisu never had a lead. His proxy gateway did absolutely nothing. That gateway and pylon would have been far more useful in his main base. Just because he had 2 bases, doesn't mean anything. P has to typically be 1 base ahead of T to get parity. Bisu was in an okay spot, but overall Flash has been in control of this game up to this point. The Vulture harassment a few minutes ago sent Flash way ahead.
Terran Mech in full force. The tank stacking looked quite wonky (18:41)... Was he trying to hop over instead of using the ramp or was it a mistake I wonder?
Honestly, what won this match was Flash's constant economy harassment with those vultures, those were about 4 to 5 effective drops, who not only killed a lot of probes, but also stopped mining for quite a few minutes.
The difference between spider and widow mines is that you have to specifically make widow mines one by one and with spider mines you get 3 and a vulture. Much more value for the money. Also, vultures are really fast and deploying the spider mines is easier. A widow mine is clunky and moving it around with a medivac requires a bit more skill.
Falcon Paladin But it’s definitely just as enjoyable At least it is for me, you have a great way of casting that just gets me so excited for the games and your reactions are just so good when things start getting hectic
Uhhh whoever told you that Bisu and Flash aren't pioneers were either lying or wrong. They pioneered tons of strategies (It's called the Bisu build, like c'mon) And more pioneers have come after them
Has Flash ever played SC2? I wonder if he would be as OP in that version. By the way, thanks for keeping on casting these Brood War games. They're really fun to watch.
He wasn't as successful in sc2 although he was still revered. One of the sc2 top players of all time (Maru) would say he respected Flash and thought Flash was better than him even though Flash was objectively inferior
Blizzard fucked up the remaster in my opinion. A few systems like counting drone kills are missing. You can not set 2 waypoints from your CommandBuilding (especially Zerg suffer because of it!!) and there were no new Balance changes to my knowledge. YES YES YES some ppl would be pissed, but as it is: there are units/abilities which are just never used! A 5+% buff or something might be enough to tip the scale to make them AT LEAST situational instead of "no way i waste my time on that" ... :/
When the terran goes for a huge mech army, why don't the opposing zerg/protoss switch to air units? Goliaths don't usually seem to be produced that much. Am I missing something?
Am I just blind that gateways did not have those flashing/beeping/spinning animation as warping any unit? 9:57 is that a different sound for a dead observer? 15:12 there's a moment where Flash use scv as buffer A regular check on gas-leftovers might good though, to indicate whether the player has a problematic situation to continue on current bases?
17:45 Bisu is down 20 supply. He has no map control. He's just barely hanging on. Mech armies are scary, and doubly so when your enemy has the supply advantage. He's dancing around his army trying to see if he can pick off anyone out of position, but he doesn't want to engage the main army.
that stasis at the end was targeted for the science vessel, it didn't need to get anything else because that was all the detection...kinda weird that he fired the other stasis into the tank mass instead of waiting for the other science vessels racing over to try to save the terran army from the invisible protoss army, arbiters can fire a stasis much faster than science vessels can fire an emp still not sure why sci vessels are the only one with a casting animation, defilers seem to have some sort of a delay too but it's duration is kinda random and always feels more like the unit is derping out than a casting time...come to think of it queens have a casting animation similar to a hydralisk attack but the delay is also similar to a hydralisk soooo.
Corsair also has very little starup lag on its disruption web, like the Arbiter's stasis. I think it's because Bliz didn't have ideas for cool animations on protoss ships' spells, so they skipped them.
I don't know who told you they are not pioneers but if Bisu obviously pioneered the bisu build. Also flash pioneered winning anything at all as terran which was hard at the time. Also the first to murder lategame carriers with goliath hold position micro back in some league in the late 2000's. Forgot which.
Listen, I loved Life. He was such a good zergling herder. Not many could handle zerglings like Life could. Mass respect. But I heard he was a shyster with the government dealings and thats a kind of messling that doesnt need to be a part of Starcraft. War games exist so the real one doesnt have to ressussitate, however theres always a devils advocate Meh on politics,..... Hey at least in starcraft mistakes are shown rather than argued. Lol
Maybe if toss used like three or four cannons around his nexus to handle those annoying vultures I feel like would have helped a lot but it’s Bisu he should know this what do I know lol
Where did you get these games? I would like to watch bisu's game but can't find it. So I'm watching yours a lot (even I'm a Korean hahaha) Thank you for casting dude!
Fair combat would be Protoss vs Protoss,Zerg vs Zerg,Terran vs Terran.We already now that Flash has developed excellent combinations and tactics with ground Terran units and they are a bit overpowered.But let's see Flash Protoss vs Bisu Protoss and every other race.Then we will see the real capabilities of each player.
Nice to finally see some arbitor play although against flash and no use of high templar storm that is very effective against vulture and bile especially on that recall would have been game ending to storm the entrance and a couple reevers kill an entire army of vulture with minimum support. If your not flash that goon zealot basic gateway unit recall would've really sucked much worse than that.
I believe comsat doesn't work like in SC2 where you have to leave the area, but instead sticks to the unit like glue until the duration wears off. This map looks like a pathing nightmare. Not sure why anyone would want to play on it.
How rude, Why Bisu didn't call "GG" and just left the game? I think call a word, "GG" is 'tacit rule' for game players and literally played 'good game' each other, even a guy almost lost or messed a game. Whatever i sayin, i always enjoying your videos and casting, Falcon! :)
@@FalconPaladin actually yes lol. I v seen him lose but it's usually in the first 10 min against zerg. How do I donate to ur channle btw? I aint done thid before but I talk with ur fans and thats pretty cool.
@@FalconPaladin nm I figures it out. U should have gotten a decent early Christmas gift a few minutes ago. Thanks for the great videos and dedication to ur viewers.
"Bisu kinda looks like he has map control though...." *10 seconds later* It's confirmed that Bisu does NOT have any form of map control Also, 2 base Terran vs Protoss is not really a disadvantage for Terran, depending on the build order. It seems quite clear you're trying to put your efforts into casting and maybe generating revenue? By all means, keep trying, but I would recommend taking some time to really learn the matchups and compositions so that you have a better read on map status etc. For example, Bisu's final engagement was terrible. Even though he got off a good couple of statis, the number of tanks and the spread was too good over an open area, plus the statis means that any other siege tank is not inflicting friendly fire damage. If bisu had managed to hit the top and middle cluster of tanks, I think that fight may have gone very differently. Still, keep progressing :)
Yep. Scv health to normal. Vultures to cost gas and fucking reduced dmg to tanks. I mean did you noticed how flash tanks the dragoons with workers, even across the map, becauce it takes 6 fucking shoots to kill it.
Damn these whinners are everywhere, LOL! Dude it was clearly the map advantage for Terran nothing to do with balance there - especially in this match. Also Protoss failed proxy. Have you even watched the game? Anyway ANY (even simple) balance patch would break the game again. I would rather play SC2 than "new rebalanced" SC1. Let SC1 be as we remember it. Otherwise it will turn into a SC2 clone with 12 units limit and blocking units...
Starcraft is an excellent example on why after a point, you shouldn't patch games. Trying to force the meta where you want it as a developer is obnoxious, disrespectful and ultimately a waste of time. Bisu could've won this game, but he didn't.
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i've been working from home, these videos and nostalgia are what's getting me through the day while i work.
Vultures are a mineral-only unit. You mentioned not having a mineral dump, but Vultures are one.
Commenting before I watch it, but I know it’s going to be a good match because it’s Flash and Bisu
on 9:04 (ingame time) dt killed the tank
glad someone said this
"dies with 0 kills!" as it kills a tank
Falcon Paladin, spider mines can detect cloaked ground units as they feel the vibration in the ground
but sir, it can detect luker too...
@@pennyfish89 true, so maybe it's more of a thermal sensor or just magic 😜
Pennyfish Lurkers are in the ground.
Everything’s vibrations, Howard.
I'm not sure if I hate Terran, or if I hate Flash for being so good! Thanks for the casts, Falcon!
Artosis would have built more turrets against Arbiters ;D
Rewatching Falcon casts always makes me happy.
Soooooo glad i found your streams love watching them everyday brings back sooooooo many good memories from my teenage years keep up the great work Falcon💪💪👏👏👏
"It takes two to siege" was the line of the game, not epic but such a sensation to see skill in different places in these games, treat for us! Thanks Falcon . ever well-wisher
You're welcome, Tome. :)
I like seeing matches on maps with very limited resources
God I love watching these matches, the skill on display is just so far beyond what the average BW player will ever reach
at 8:20 the spidermine placement hitting the dragoon + proves was a nice touch
Thank you Falcon yet again. Love me some Broodwar for Dinner!
No problem, Mr. Oneeye. :)
11:00 Bisu never had a lead. His proxy gateway did absolutely nothing. That gateway and pylon would have been far more useful in his main base. Just because he had 2 bases, doesn't mean anything. P has to typically be 1 base ahead of T to get parity. Bisu was in an okay spot, but overall Flash has been in control of this game up to this point. The Vulture harassment a few minutes ago sent Flash way ahead.
Yeah I was thinking "build a cannon in the mineral line" and he never did, even after the first vulture drop
Terran Mech in full force. The tank stacking looked quite wonky (18:41)... Was he trying to hop over instead of using the ramp or was it a mistake I wonder?
If it was in purpose, I'm guessing he was trying to get as much inland to the base as possible without going up the ramp.
Honestly, what won this match was Flash's constant economy harassment with those vultures, those were about 4 to 5 effective drops, who not only killed a lot of probes, but also stopped mining for quite a few minutes.
Love your videos man. Keep up the good work
Catching up on some videos. Lets start with Bisu vs Flash!!!
This guy just loves clicking away from fights! "Oh look, a battle is about to happen! I know, I'll click to a spot and watch drones mine!"
true story
I would argue that both Flash and Bisu are both pioneers of their own stratagies.
Just want to say that I love your BW casts Falcon Paladin!
The difference between spider and widow mines is that you have to specifically make widow mines one by one and with spider mines you get 3 and a vulture. Much more value for the money. Also, vultures are really fast and deploying the spider mines is easier. A widow mine is clunky and moving it around with a medivac requires a bit more skill.
I’m always perplexed at the number of likes you get. I feel under 15k is too little, and who even dislikes this? I can’t see any reason to dislike
Well, I'm not Tastetosis, so obviously I deserve dislikes.
Falcon Paladin But it’s definitely just as enjoyable
At least it is for me, you have a great way of casting that just gets me so excited for the games and your reactions are just so good when things start getting hectic
I'd love to see BoxeR in his prime vs Flash
TrickingWithJordan look it up, flash was 15
@@89turbomk3 oh shit, I gotta 350
BoxeR in his prime? WCG 2001, absolute monster. Flash was probably 10 years old back then.
Flash knows how to dance 😅, Thanks for casting
Uhhh whoever told you that Bisu and Flash aren't pioneers were either lying or wrong. They pioneered tons of strategies (It's called the Bisu build, like c'mon) And more pioneers have come after them
Cool something to get my mind off reality thanks you!
Always wondered why Terrans didn't build a couple wraiths in a TvP and just used them to take out observers just to slow down protoss
Has Flash ever played SC2? I wonder if he would be as OP in that version. By the way, thanks for keeping on casting these Brood War games. They're really fun to watch.
Yep he has. liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Flash
@@FalconPaladin Have you cast any?
Yep back in 2015 :)
He wasn't as successful in sc2 although he was still revered. One of the sc2 top players of all time (Maru) would say he respected Flash and thought Flash was better than him even though Flash was objectively inferior
11:30 workers in canon hover over the ground, thus not triggering them.
the game was over when flash kept his vultures for almost a min over bisu's main base
Can Bisu full a tiger wood when he gets out of military?
no me importa ir al dia con tus videos siempre te doy algo de mi tiempo para poder desfrutar de tus videos saludos FP
Cracias, Chacho!
Blizzard fucked up the remaster in my opinion.
A few systems like counting drone kills are missing. You can not set 2 waypoints from your CommandBuilding (especially Zerg suffer because of it!!) and there were no new Balance changes to my knowledge. YES YES YES some ppl would be pissed, but as it is: there are units/abilities which are just never used! A 5+% buff or something might be enough to tip the scale to make them AT LEAST situational instead of "no way i waste my time on that" ... :/
When the terran goes for a huge mech army, why don't the opposing zerg/protoss switch to air units? Goliaths don't usually seem to be produced that much. Am I missing something?
He can start producting goliaths and wipe out the Carriers.
Bisu vs flash never disappoints
Am I just blind that gateways did not have those flashing/beeping/spinning animation as warping any unit?
9:57 is that a different sound for a dead observer?
15:12 there's a moment where Flash use scv as buffer
A regular check on gas-leftovers might good though, to indicate whether the player has a problematic situation to continue on current bases?
does anyone know how to switch quickly between bases, for example if you've 6 casernes? i cannot find this information, thanks.
Man, bisu must have been quite salty
Is RUclips what you do full time? How are you able to put out so many videos and maintain super high quality? Just an impressed and curious fan.
Nope. I work a full-time job as a software tester.
17:45 Bisu is down 20 supply. He has no map control. He's just barely hanging on. Mech armies are scary, and doubly so when your enemy has the supply advantage. He's dancing around his army trying to see if he can pick off anyone out of position, but he doesn't want to engage the main army.
How Z feels v p ball going into late game
12:01 thats the sound of probes dying
Yes.
giving bisu advice, would love to see a 1v1 with you and bisu :)
How is the no gg acceptable?
Mount Rushmore of Starcraft
Flash
Stork
Jaedong
Bisu
that stasis at the end was targeted for the science vessel, it didn't need to get anything else because that was all the detection...kinda weird that he fired the other stasis into the tank mass instead of waiting for the other science vessels racing over to try to save the terran army from the invisible protoss army, arbiters can fire a stasis much faster than science vessels can fire an emp
still not sure why sci vessels are the only one with a casting animation, defilers seem to have some sort of a delay too but it's duration is kinda random and always feels more like the unit is derping out than a casting time...come to think of it queens have a casting animation similar to a hydralisk attack but the delay is also similar to a hydralisk soooo.
Corsair also has very little starup lag on its disruption web, like the Arbiter's stasis. I think it's because Bliz didn't have ideas for cool animations on protoss ships' spells, so they skipped them.
Who were the starcraft pioneers?
This is a good article on that :) www.invenglobal.com/articles/1508/jaekyung-um-the-pioneer-of-korean-esports-on-starcraft-hd-remaster
The Dt got the Tank. So he had not 0 kills..
Terran is so OP with vultures, which I could tell the easy win for Flash at the early minutes.
Flash with the elite Vulture control.😎
11:55 Bhahahhaahhahahah they should start paying rent
Could you find some replays from iNteRiX? Great Terran player and someone who I played with 99-04.
I don't know who told you they are not pioneers but if Bisu obviously pioneered the bisu build. Also flash pioneered winning anything at all as terran which was hard at the time. Also the first to murder lategame carriers with goliath hold position micro back in some league in the late 2000's. Forgot which.
Spider mines should NOT detect cloak. Change my mind.
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Maybe Flash is 100 percent whenever he manages to get like 20 plus tanks.... Bisu's job was amazing but not enough once again
Listen, I loved Life. He was such a good zergling herder. Not many could handle zerglings like Life could. Mass respect. But I heard he was a shyster with the government dealings and thats a kind of messling that doesnt need to be a part of Starcraft.
War games exist so the real one doesnt have to ressussitate, however theres always a devils advocate
Meh on politics,.....
Hey at least in starcraft mistakes are shown rather than argued. Lol
Maybe if toss used like three or four cannons around his nexus to handle those annoying vultures I feel like would have helped a lot but it’s Bisu he should know this what do I know lol
Where did you get these games?
I would like to watch bisu's game but can't find it. So I'm watching yours a lot (even I'm a Korean hahaha) Thank you for casting dude!
Try here. tl.net/forum/brood-war/310883-replays
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@@FalconPaladin And you reply!
Thank you.
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Bisu lost his touch quite a bit... 16 minutes in and no speed lot upgrade =/
love mech terran
Match point is Terran heavy
Pally dark templar did get the kill, still love your cast regardless. Fuck them haters
no gg? what the ......
This game was SO high level its not even funny. Pinnacle of Brood War
can you upload these video twice 1 with commentary 1 without commentary
Fair combat would be Protoss vs Protoss,Zerg vs Zerg,Terran vs Terran.We already now that Flash has developed excellent combinations and tactics with ground Terran units and they are a bit overpowered.But let's see Flash Protoss vs Bisu Protoss and every other race.Then we will see the real capabilities of each player.
Nope, what you're describing is a worse game and not even particularly more balanced
He lost when he failed to shut down the expansion at 7:00, lost his DT with poor micro. Wow.
Nice! fucking love when protos lose :3 specially if its Bisu xD.
Nice to finally see some arbitor play although against flash and no use of high templar storm that is very effective against vulture and bile especially on that recall would have been game ending to storm the entrance and a couple reevers kill an entire army of vulture with minimum support. If your not flash that goon zealot basic gateway unit recall would've really sucked much worse than that.
love you falcon
*spoiler*
Am actually sick of seeing Flash win with late game tanks.
Spoiler tag doesn't help much if your very next line reveals the end. At least add some spaces so it requires 'show more'.
Is this match from 2016?
Yep
How hard is it to build some cannons?
Love vultures
use the arrow keys more to move around the map please. its easier to follow
Skytoss rules
oH, Starcraft.....
Fuckoff.
Lol jk, nice work.
lol?
Флеш лучший)
Flash is monsterrr...!))
when were these games played?
Well, this one was 2016.
I believe comsat doesn't work like in SC2 where you have to leave the area, but instead sticks to the unit like glue until the duration wears off.
This map looks like a pathing nightmare. Not sure why anyone would want to play on it.
aww bitchu sucha poor sport lol...Flash always says gg
How rude, Why Bisu didn't call "GG" and just left the game?
I think call a word, "GG" is 'tacit rule' for game players and literally played 'good game' each other, even a guy almost lost or messed a game.
Whatever i sayin, i always enjoying your videos and casting, Falcon! :)
errr, he rarely said it. lol. know a player first, then comment
Oh... thanks for reply guys.
If he rarely say in a game is true, i do not blame him. Actually, i never saw a his match.
Maybe he's going to toilet!
Grin and bear is the only way to beat flash.... And u will probably still lose.
You'd think so. But nope! I've cast plenty of Flash losses. :) Want some links?
@@FalconPaladin actually yes lol. I v seen him lose but it's usually in the first 10 min against zerg. How do I donate to ur channle btw? I aint done thid before but I talk with ur fans and thats pretty cool.
@@FalconPaladin u*
@@FalconPaladin nm I figures it out. U should have gotten a decent early Christmas gift a few minutes ago. Thanks for the great videos and dedication to ur viewers.
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vultures are the most cancer unit in sc1 dear lord
Flashuuuuu
"Back and forth TvZ"?
Bisu was on the back foot for 95% of the game.
terran units are just way too effective for the cost.
omg omg omg itsa Flash
"Bisu kinda looks like he has map control though...."
*10 seconds later*
It's confirmed that Bisu does NOT have any form of map control
Also, 2 base Terran vs Protoss is not really a disadvantage for Terran, depending on the build order.
It seems quite clear you're trying to put your efforts into casting and maybe generating revenue? By all means, keep trying, but I would recommend taking some time to really learn the matchups and compositions so that you have a better read on map status etc. For example, Bisu's final engagement was terrible. Even though he got off a good couple of statis, the number of tanks and the spread was too good over an open area, plus the statis means that any other siege tank is not inflicting friendly fire damage. If bisu had managed to hit the top and middle cluster of tanks, I think that fight may have gone very differently.
Still, keep progressing :)
Using arbiters to attack when you have other goons & zealots is the sign of a super noob.
personally I think blizzard should patch brood war again. A balance patch knowing what we seen the last 15 years its not perfectly balanced
Yep. Scv health to normal. Vultures to cost gas and fucking reduced dmg to tanks. I mean did you noticed how flash tanks the dragoons with workers, even across the map, becauce it takes 6 fucking shoots to kill it.
Damn these whinners are everywhere, LOL! Dude it was clearly the map advantage for Terran nothing to do with balance there - especially in this match. Also Protoss failed proxy. Have you even watched the game? Anyway ANY (even simple) balance patch would break the game again. I would rather play SC2 than "new rebalanced" SC1. Let SC1 be as we remember it. Otherwise it will turn into a SC2 clone with 12 units limit and blocking units...
Starcraft is an excellent example on why after a point, you shouldn't patch games. Trying to force the meta where you want it as a developer is obnoxious, disrespectful and ultimately a waste of time.
Bisu could've won this game, but he didn't.
Bisu BMing no GG :D.
stopped watching 4 min in, as it was zoomed in the whole time
comment 10 !
liked this video so it goes to 666... hehehehe!
Flash was in control the whole game, and Bisu playing defensive. He never got a lead. Real shame. Flash is just too dominant.
Bisu's PvZ is way more enjoyable to witness
Sc1 is so hard to watch now