It's beautiful seeing Flash bringing his A-game. Flash-Bisu-Jaedong is basically the trinty of 2017 Broodwar so they brought out the best for this night.
it is unbelievable how his dragoons look so tough, tanking like champs, and I think the win move was to start with 1 zealot group at the center well timed with tanks not in place yet, and then just in time reinforce with the second from the top. Ill never play like that....insane
"I'm so glad that Blizzard is supporting, and is continuing to support all other games." That didn't even age like milk, that was just a straight up lie. Poor man's held at gunpoint, oof.
@@mareksicinski3726Even before they stopped caring about SC2 they were bad at supporting games. Ever heard of Heroes of the Storm my dude? Luckily Microsoft is buying Blizz out, big Pog!
I realize this is an old video and probably a stupid question but why can Terran afford to send an scv to scout in the early game? Seems like that’s valuable resource gather that they aren’t receiving. Are they just screwed early game if they don’t plan around what their opponent does?
Yep, scouting is very important to know what your opponent is doing. Your opponent might do a cheesy all-in and if you aren't ready, there is a high chance that you will lose the game. As long as you have at least 1 worker per mineral field in the early game you should be fine.
Why Terran pro players never use ghosts in tvp? Lockdown is very prowerful to disable arbiters. Also medics can use optical Flare in ranged units to reduce their range to 1.
I understand that is it too gas expensive, fragile unit for late game. I have seen veeery few games where ghost are actually useful in veeery late game, like vs carriers, but I have never ever seen nukes in a pro match
@@datelovuelta usually only have seen nukes from boxer in the earlier micro days. but its very very gas inefficient and also very risky move to pull off.
As a Terran user: For Ghost - You need to invest a lot to have it. - Have little or no synergy with Terran Mech - The spell may be somewhat useful, but Ghost alone royally sucks against everything Toss may throw to you. - As Terran, you would want more tanks and Ghost is almost as gas expensive (75) as a Tank (100). Lockdown is also an expensive spell (100 energy), so you won't be able to use it soon. Vessels are expensive too, but it shut down Arbiters in a more efficient way, are more mobile and they are detectors. It covers more things. For Medics - Almost everything I said before could be applied. - Why would you want to blind something when Protoss usually have a bunch of units and observers all across the map? He would have the sight of the other units in his deathball.
I never really understood the opening.. Why do the Dragoons just sit at a distance and pound an empty bunker or a bunker with one or two marines in there?? They could just pick off the SCVS at least or bulldoze themselves in. Why are they so scared of the bunker. It takes forever for them to kill ONE dragoon no less four or five. This strategy never made any sense to me. Then they are deadly afraid of one TANK.. he could have easy just ran in there and wiped that tank out but he ran like one tank is going to kill five dragoons.. I really can't understand these Korean openers.
its because repairing the bunker costs minerals for the terran and a lot of mining time and it costs nothing for the protoss, also if they pushed through they may lose the dragoons which loses map control. the game is very in depth.
@@paxconsciente3352 Two marines and a bunker is not gonna kill four or five dragoons..They could easily just run in there and wipe out a ton of Scvs..And one shot, the one tank
Best way to find out is to try it. This opening is common pretty much across all skill levels now. But the gist of it is that the repairing scvs can be used to block the goons and with good micro you can keep the tank just far enough. Plus, these goons are kinda critical at that point in the game, loosing them is not a good idea.
@@Guinea54 Flash had a sim city that prevented Dragoons from reaching the main, his only other option would be to directly kill SCVs in the natural which just wouldn't be worth it, he'd need to do a massive amount of damage since Flash had his 2nd command center up so early. Pressuring the bunker avoids all of that risk and still forces lost mining + cost of repairs. Just to clarify, he'd probably need to kill 8 + SCVs for it to be worth losing those goons, which is just unrealistic. Also if the repairing SCVs body block a run by, Bisu gets almost no damage and potentially loses his goons, there are so many reasons why it'd be a bad idea to dive with them this early.
Bisu es noob vs terran prefiere atacar dónde perderá la batalla pierde las bases y pierde unidades y el terran trankilo en sus expas y hasta sin protección.el flash se concentra en quitarle proves bases economía y el bisu en atacar unidades estrellándose y a la larga por falta de economía baja su producción de unidades y pierde como casi siempre contra flash
Ok, i love flash, jaedong, bisu, stork...but flash is not the best overall gamer of all time, hes just the best at RTS games. Dude would have no idea what to do on xcom enemy unknown and would probably quit after losing and restarting 20 times. I know its a small thing to get annoyed by, but cmon. Think before you speak lol. Theres many many genres of games out there, flash is the master of only one: Real Time Strategy.
Flash isn't good at XCOM because he has never played it, similar things could be said about him with FPS games. But this is true of everyone, you're almost never going to see someone who is competing at the highest level of multiple games so I don't see the point of bringing other games into this discussion. He'd be good at those games if he dedicated himself to them, Starcraft just happens to be the one he cared about and invested time into. Flash has still accomplished more than any esports player in history, his run may still continue when he returns to pro play. We may never see another player like Flash again, in any game. If there's anyone that could take that title, it would be Flash.
Terran beats zerg and Even VS toss Protoss Even with zerg and toss Zerg Even with toss but unfavored VS Terran. But the gap isnt too high at high skill levels. Jaedong and savior both beat most high level Terrans.
That's the worst commentator i've heard in my entire life... blablablablablablablablabla ALL THE TIME ...... please let the other guy speak from time to time, create some flow, and silence for 2-3 seconds isn't a bad thing!!
I can't understand why they called a progamers? They use 2-3 taktic and do have nothing strategy and don't have power to change. If noob playing and win noobe he maybe will play better after 1000000 match, but with realy pro gamers thay will always lay down after they knew thay tacktik decigion.
I agree with you, this is why Slayer Boxer is better, he used ghost with lockdown, Nukes, Sciense Vessel with Defensive Matrix, also he used the spells of medics like optical Flare to remove detection abilities, always using creative strategies.
@@antonio-gt the pros play ladder all day long, you dont see new strategies in ladders because it is about consistency, winning rate etc. Boxer was a genius, he force his own strategies into his enemies, always tried new things in tournaments, the very best
IKR! And why to win when baby defeat with ease! In 1000000 maybe but 10000 will be answer? Hah! For to learn and display with exact will stragegia in direction.
Obvious troll, but to hummor myself i will answer your question = they are one person doing logistics/tactics/strategy, there always has to be a balance between these. Sure, if there was a team of ppl, the tactics and strategy would be better, but its just one person focusing on 3+ things at one time. A potential winning strategy is worth northing, if enemy rushes you with superior numbers, becouse he didnt skip the logistic part. Best to understand is to try these thing yourself, then you will see.
![Game 5 Bisu vs FlaSh Starcraft proleague Rematch [T.E.N]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/H8t8pmcbvR8/mqdefault.jpg)
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It's beautiful seeing Flash bringing his A-game. Flash-Bisu-Jaedong is basically the trinty of 2017 Broodwar so they brought out the best for this night.
this brought me back to 2008. what a feeling
for me starcraft year is 1998
The attack that Bisu starts around 16:33 is unbelievable!
it is unbelievable how his dragoons look so tough, tanking like champs, and I think the win move was to start with 1 zealot group at the center well timed with tanks not in place yet, and then just in time reinforce with the second from the top. Ill never play like that....insane
Lowkey not mentioning JD vs Flash in this video.. nice.. what a cool surprise, I thought it was a 45 min PvT game hahaha...
Theres something magical about Korean starcraft.
tasteless is such an awesome commentator
"I'm so glad that Blizzard is supporting, and is continuing to support all other games."
That didn't even age like milk, that was just a straight up lie.
Poor man's held at gunpoint, oof.
You just mean, for his job?
No, not gunpoint, they are 'supporting' other games to various extents, also this was 2017
@@mareksicinski3726Even before they stopped caring about SC2 they were bad at supporting games. Ever heard of Heroes of the Storm my dude? Luckily Microsoft is buying Blizz out, big Pog!
@@MsNotorials lol microsoft isn't gonna do anything
32:35 FlaSh was post the era when ppl called ppl bonjwa, he was in some way 'above' bonkwa
Bisu was keeping the pressure and had the unit advantage for most of the game until Flash turned on God mode. GG.
now a days very rare player can make this level one of the best games like we did long time ago.
@@joe8133 he literally means new generations gamers are not coming out as talented as it used to be in the 2000's
@@joe8133he's probably Korean or something
Fantastic upload, thank you 👏
24:08 Flash retreating in order to reinforce the left was the winning move.
I figured this would have more views
Even when I watch a game my left hand wants to do ctrl + m to shut the music off
DAMN! Really thought Bisu was gonna win for like 80% of the game
16:30 epic battle
I'd like to see flash pull this sh*t off on the new maps
I miss these days.
nostalgic memories this our college days.
@@utukowayo3637 天哪兄弟。我们大学的时候也都在打星际
SC Remastered is alive and strong, these pros are still playing and competing. These are not just the old days anymore.
I realize this is an old video and probably a stupid question but why can Terran afford to send an scv to scout in the early game? Seems like that’s valuable resource gather that they aren’t receiving. Are they just screwed early game if they don’t plan around what their opponent does?
Yep, scouting is very important to know what your opponent is doing. Your opponent might do a cheesy all-in and if you aren't ready, there is a high chance that you will lose the game. As long as you have at least 1 worker per mineral field in the early game you should be fine.
dropships should be expected so Jaedong should have scourge at top left to intercept it
Hey baby that early drop ship with reaver, fuck it, take it in drop the reaver and lose the drop ship, that hit would of been huge
Why Terran pro players never use ghosts in tvp? Lockdown is very prowerful to disable arbiters.
Also medics can use optical Flare in ranged units to reduce their range to 1.
I understand that is it too gas expensive, fragile unit for late game. I have seen veeery few games where ghost are actually useful in veeery late game, like vs carriers, but I have never ever seen nukes in a pro match
@@datelovuelta saw one by Nada in ASL s7
@@datelovuelta usually only have seen nukes from boxer in the earlier micro days. but its very very gas inefficient and also very risky move to pull off.
As a Terran user:
For Ghost
- You need to invest a lot to have it.
- Have little or no synergy with Terran Mech
- The spell may be somewhat useful, but Ghost alone royally sucks against everything Toss may throw to you.
- As Terran, you would want more tanks and Ghost is almost as gas expensive (75) as a Tank (100). Lockdown is also an expensive spell (100 energy), so you won't be able to use it soon. Vessels are expensive too, but it shut down Arbiters in a more efficient way, are more mobile and they are detectors. It covers more things.
For Medics
- Almost everything I said before could be applied.
- Why would you want to blind something when Protoss usually have a bunch of units and observers all across the map? He would have the sight of the other units in his deathball.
Jaedong????
what a game wow
who has seen how marine walked out bunker :P
Bisu used hallucination to force tanks fall back and have an all in attack is unimaginable, however its not success
I wish this game was still played professionally
It is -> ASL and BSL are still alive
ASL S15 is underway right now
This is War!!!!!!!
flash is the most patiеnсed terran
Epic
He’s no Artosis but Wolf is really good
tasteless and thd other commentator sound so much alike, maybe they should have brought somebody else that has a different vibe than tasteless
А где трансляции по старику теперь корейский?
wew
I never really understood the opening.. Why do the Dragoons just sit at a distance and pound an empty bunker or a bunker with one or two marines in there?? They could just pick off the SCVS at least or bulldoze themselves in. Why are they so scared of the bunker. It takes forever for them to kill ONE dragoon no less four or five. This strategy never made any sense to me. Then they are deadly afraid of one TANK.. he could have easy just ran in there and wiped that tank out but he ran like one tank is going to kill five dragoons.. I really can't understand these Korean openers.
its because repairing the bunker costs minerals for the terran and a lot of mining time and it costs nothing for the protoss, also if they pushed through they may lose the dragoons which loses map control. the game is very in depth.
@@paxconsciente3352 Two marines and a bunker is not gonna kill four or five dragoons..They could easily just run in there and wipe out a ton of Scvs..And one shot, the one tank
Best way to find out is to try it. This opening is common pretty much across all skill levels now. But the gist of it is that the repairing scvs can be used to block the goons and with good micro you can keep the tank just far enough. Plus, these goons are kinda critical at that point in the game, loosing them is not a good idea.
@@Guinea54 Flash had a sim city that prevented Dragoons from reaching the main, his only other option would be to directly kill SCVs in the natural which just wouldn't be worth it, he'd need to do a massive amount of damage since Flash had his 2nd command center up so early. Pressuring the bunker avoids all of that risk and still forces lost mining + cost of repairs. Just to clarify, he'd probably need to kill 8 + SCVs for it to be worth losing those goons, which is just unrealistic. Also if the repairing SCVs body block a run by, Bisu gets almost no damage and potentially loses his goons, there are so many reasons why it'd be a bad idea to dive with them this early.
The game music wad pretty loud
those casters are hot... gg
Bisu es noob vs terran prefiere atacar dónde perderá la batalla pierde las bases y pierde unidades y el terran trankilo en sus expas y hasta sin protección.el flash se concentra en quitarle proves bases economía y el bisu en atacar unidades estrellándose y a la larga por falta de economía baja su producción de unidades y pierde como casi siempre contra flash
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택용이가 이길 수 있는 게임인데 일부러 똥줄타는 척 11시 모르는 척했던
Ok, i love flash, jaedong, bisu, stork...but flash is not the best overall gamer of all time, hes just the best at RTS games. Dude would have no idea what to do on xcom enemy unknown and would probably quit after losing and restarting 20 times. I know its a small thing to get annoyed by, but cmon. Think before you speak lol. Theres many many genres of games out there, flash is the master of only one: Real Time Strategy.
Are you familiar with the grammar concept of hyperbole ? I think this is the case, and to be fare for Artosis Broodwar is THE game
Flash isn't good at XCOM because he has never played it, similar things could be said about him with FPS games. But this is true of everyone, you're almost never going to see someone who is competing at the highest level of multiple games so I don't see the point of bringing other games into this discussion. He'd be good at those games if he dedicated himself to them, Starcraft just happens to be the one he cared about and invested time into. Flash has still accomplished more than any esports player in history, his run may still continue when he returns to pro play. We may never see another player like Flash again, in any game. If there's anyone that could take that title, it would be Flash.
Teal vs green lol oof
Flash есть Flash
Koreans are the perfect androids
terran is so much OP in BW.
Na, youre watching FLASH.. thats why it looks OP..
Terran isnt but flash is
depends on what skill level
if you have problems engaging mass siege tanks you will think that they are completely broken yes haha
Terran beats zerg and Even VS toss
Protoss Even with zerg and toss
Zerg Even with toss but unfavored VS Terran.
But the gap isnt too high at high skill levels. Jaedong and savior both beat most high level Terrans.
Lol. This is the most balance game ever made.
god damn im tired of flash
That's the worst commentator i've heard in my entire life... blablablablablablablablabla ALL THE TIME ...... please let the other guy speak from time to time, create some flow, and silence for 2-3 seconds isn't a bad thing!!
I can't understand why they called a progamers? They use 2-3 taktic and do have nothing strategy and don't have power to change. If noob playing and win noobe he maybe will play better after 1000000 match, but with realy pro gamers thay will always lay down after they knew thay tacktik decigion.
lol, stfu, seriously.
I agree with you, this is why Slayer Boxer is better, he used ghost with lockdown, Nukes, Sciense Vessel with Defensive Matrix, also he used the spells of medics like optical Flare to remove detection abilities, always using creative strategies.
@@antonio-gt the pros play ladder all day long, you dont see new strategies in ladders because it is about consistency, winning rate etc.
Boxer was a genius, he force his own strategies into his enemies, always tried new things in tournaments, the very best
IKR! And why to win when baby defeat with ease! In 1000000 maybe but 10000 will be answer? Hah! For to learn and display with exact will stragegia in direction.
Obvious troll, but to hummor myself i will answer your question = they are one person doing logistics/tactics/strategy, there always has to be a balance between these. Sure, if there was a team of ppl, the tactics and strategy would be better, but its just one person focusing on 3+ things at one time. A potential winning strategy is worth northing, if enemy rushes you with superior numbers, becouse he didnt skip the logistic part.
Best to understand is to try these thing yourself, then you will see.