Seecamp LWS32- The Mouse That Barks
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Introduced in the mid 1980s the Seecamp LWS32 is the smallest production .32, and also the smallest production .380 (because they are the exact same size.) All I can say is that as hard as the .32 kicks the .380 must be absolutely brutal!
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The first modern 'pocket powerhouse'' and still the finest of the now-considerable bunch. Technology has grown and changed with polymers being all the rage now but nobody accuses any of those as having fire craftsmanship for a reason.
Exactly.
You nailed it, best gun for EDC in "restrictive" environs. Carry mine in a wallet holster, completely discreet.
Perfectly said. I carried mine for years in either the wallet holster, or a homemade boot holster, or a homemade belly holster that was a modified "back brace". Mine only reliably chambered Winchester Silvertips, but given the proper diet, it would shoot and score forever. Really well made firearm. Some of my friends scoffed my concealed carry choice; it was something I could always have, no matter the setting. .32 is enough power if the threat is right in front of you. I biked and jogged and hiked all over California and elsewhere carrying this finely tuned little gun.
Never owned one , but I’ve shot one some .. I found the trigger to be awful , but that’s me , it is indeed a very well made firearm
They were a “ status gun “ when I was working at the range ,And very pricy . With so many comparable mouse guns out there now that are less “ammo picky “ and cheaper I have no use for one , but to each his own .
My carry since 1987. 👍 Nice review. Thanks.
I have it in .25 AND LOVE IT!
The price of 32 ACP ammo is just too unreasonable these days.
You're not wrong.
I encountered the same mishap. I accidentally pulled the trigger with the slide off and the trigger's connecting stud came out of the action sear bar. I had to use the tip of a pocket knife to reconnect the trigger to the action bar. I thought the pistol was defective. But when I replaced the slide, the trigger stayed connected to the action sear bar. Clearly the slide functions to keep the trigger and action bar connected. I dry-fired the pistol many time afterwards and the trigger stayed connected to the action bar.
Remember, never pull the trigger with the magazine out. There's a large, butterfly trigger spring inside the pistol grip which rests upon the magazine. Pulling the trigger will cause the butterfly spring to bend outwards. And then you cannot put the magazine back inside. Forcing it in will deform or break the spring depending upon how much force you apply. In any event, you will need to remove the black handgrip panel, remove the spring and bend it back into shape. If you destroyed the spring, you'll have to replace it.
Good information- thank you!
NO, you pulled that DA trigger on purpose. Don't act like Alec Baldwin
you make that thing look like a Kolibri
Ive had mine for at least a year now, carry it everywhere
Interesting little pistol. I really like the design safety you described. I learned something new today! Thanks.
Just got mine today, at a little gun show. Early version, "as new", in the box with all the paperwork.
Congratulations!
@@tinkertalksguns7289 Thanks. They are hard to find "in the wild" around here. Now, to find some edible ammo.
great video on these little blasters, i was wondering about reloading for these. thank you for mentioning why they require specific ammo !!
My pleasure! I have some .32 ACP loads listed on the reloading page for the blog- there's a link in the description.
great thank you sir !!!@@tinkertalksguns7289
Great review, Larry Seecamp sold the company I am not sure of the year it could’ve been 14 or 15 something like that to that Massachusetts company in Southwick. Unfortunately Larry passed away I believe four years ago. But his guns are still selling the new company I believe was a manufacturer of parts for Smith and Wesson and savage they have a very successful company and they have all State of the art-equipment. Larry not because he sold the company to MA outfit he told people that he believes that this company made a better guy than he did because of all of the modern technology machines heat treating Etc.
Thank you! Good info; I'm always learning new things!
Larry Seecamp sold his company to Whalley Precision Manufacturing, Southwick, Massachusetts, in 2014. Actually Whalley Precision offered to purchase the company in 1989 upon the death of its founder, Ludwig Seecamp, but the son declined.
Yet in 2014, Larry Seecamp faced declining health. More, the master gunsmiths collected by his late father, started retiring, one-by-one. There was no replacing them. At that point reputedly Larry contacted Whalley Precision Manufacturing, who happily re-extended their purchase offer.
Larry was wise to sell Seecamp when he did. He would pass away from ill health in 2018, but after a long life. Before then, Larry had visited Whalley Precision and instructed the company in fine detail about the workings, design, and construction of the LW Seecamp pistol.
Whalley Precision Manufacturing promised to carry on the tradition of fine gunsmithing and high quality of the Seecamp pistols. Whalley was able to apply some mass-manufacturing processes to the Seecamp without sacrificing quality, thereby increasing production output. This made a huge difference in the destiny of the LW Seecamp pistol. Rather than remaining as a unique, one-of-a-kind, difficult to obtain, custom-made pocket pistol, the LW Seecamp began appearing in gun stores as a stocked pistol. Still, it took years for this to finally happen. Availability of the LW Seecamp, while not in large quantities, can now be found and readily purchased.
Recognizing the renewed popularity in pocket "mouse" pistols, Whalley Precision Manufacturing announced in December 2022 that they would bring back the .25 ACP LW Seecamp. First Whalley needs to find an outsource manufacturer to produce the magazines. When Whalley commences .25 ACP LW Seecamp pistol production sometime in 2023, it should be a success. As of this writing, I believe only the company, PHOENIX, Ontario, California, manufactures .25 ACP semi-auto pocket pistols. The Phoenix .25 ACP weighs 20 ounces compared to the LW Seecamp's 11.5 ounce weight, giving the Seecamp a clear advantage, if not in the price.
If this ain't a sign, I don't know what is. Literally been researching a lusting over getting a Seecamp. Thinking whether I should or not.
The only warning is that they can be snappy in recoil.
@@tinkertalksguns7289 Good to know. It's interesting some people say it's not too bad but others say it's snappy. I'm not too recoil shy.
But my original plan was for a .380 Seecamp and EVERYONE says that it's very snappy haha.
Go for it, it got mine two weeks ago and shot 300 rounds through it. Ran smooth. Although I highly recommend reading the handbook because it has odd quirks that needs getting use to. I carry it daily as of now. Great little gun. (I have the 32acp version)
UPDATE: It broke down on me. Failure to feed the website recommended hollow points (which is expensive to test on if it even runs) with the case mouth catching on the top of the chamber on live rounds. Shot it my second time today, jam, after it cleared the trigger bar had dislodged and it is inoperable. Very disappointed, I shall see if Seecamps warranty is any good, I've real horror stories on it after it was sold by Larry a few years ago.
@@1972glm Damn! That sucks. Let us know how it comes out. Typically with that sort of jam the magazine is at fault, but if you mess with it it will void the warranty. As for the trigger bar... yeah, not OK.
I go on you tube and the internet and people have had some trouble with these guns. Obviously most do not. I bought mine early in 2021 and have since put 23 rounds through it. No Problems. If you would not mind updating us on your experience time to time it would be appreciated. At least by me. I am not big on going to the range... I know, I know...I am permitted to carry in my state and what I find is that the Seecamp in .32 is pretty much all that I do carry due the weight and size.
you can cut down the spacer in the back of the magazine and leave about 1/8 of an inch remaining and the gun will cycle up to 71 grain 32 acp rounds reliably enough for practice on the cheaper side. I have 2 of the originals and I believe i read this somewhere over the years and have tried it and it works.
Great video 👏🏻
Thanks Richard!
I remember watching a video in which Larry Seecamp stated that no sites are necessary or wanted on a gun this small and that if need be, you can turn the gun so the ejection port faces down and use the area where the slide is milled as a trough type site. This is one of the only things I never care for on the design. I’m a firm believer in sites on a pistol. They can be small and snag free, but they need to be present. On a tiny pistol like this I also advocate for a laser as most often when we would have to use this pistol it will be in dim or dark conditions
I also disagree with Larry. I like sights on my pistols, whether they are intended for use at an arm's length or not. After all too often things don't go as 'intended.' I am mulling over several 'cunning plans' for sights on this gun.
At the ranges and situations this was intended for you won't have time for sights or lasers if you want to walk away afterward. Point shooting has gone out of style but it is by far still the best technique at close ranges, and done correctly you're not even looking at the gun but you're putting rounds in the "K" zone consistently while the guy next to you is still trying to acquire a sight picture or laser dot. That's what the Seecamp is for and it's lack of sights was intended to make you use it this way so it can best do the one thing it was intended to do: save your hide at very short ranges. If you need more than that you don't need a Seecamp.
@@P_RO_ Correct, Seacamp did his homework on the subject of sites.
I run Underwood “Extreme Cavitators” in my 32, regular in the summer, plus p in the winter. They cycle really well, the regular is like 1050 fps plus p is 1150 fps I believe. Both rds pass FBI gel test penetration minimums. It’s a absolutely wicked little rd! 👍🏻
I do the same and they work really well in my 2 examples
I believe I read that Browning did conversions of guns too at the start of his career, like converting single actions into double actions and also converting bolt actions into semi auto's... and I think that's how he got into designing and inventing guns also. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do recall reading that).
Interesting, and could be true as far as I know. His Dad was also a gunsmith, so it would have been a natural place for him to start.
what do you think about the keltic P32 as an alternative to the seecamp?
The Kel Tec has a larger footprint (but still quite small) but lighter weight. Very thin and light; my wife used to have one. Good guns.
any idea on how to make it easier to get the magazine out? I need to pry the magazine out with a knife or screwdriver.
That seems like a pretty serious issue that should be addressed by the manufacturer; you should contact them. I can suggest a way to attempt to fix it yourself, but this would void the warranty.
0.910 is the spec BUT 0.932 OAL ammo shoots just fine
Interesting little pistol
I like the NAA design better.
Классный пистолет.
Oh, so THAT'S the prize they put in Cracker Jacks back in the day!!!
It's a whistle!
I joke, I do love these little guns.
❤Love it
good video
keep it up
Will do!
I think this gun in 22lr would make a lot of sense given the second strike capability of Dao trigger. They could make it even smaller potentially due to the size of .22
Likely so, but to make it smaller they would need to tool up for a completely new model. New machines, new prototype development, new production line etc. Expensive, so not likely. A .22 version of the current gun would do for me; it's already really small.
@@tinkertalksguns7289 great point
Would love to see a .22 long rifle Seecamp.
It has no energy.
@@jackdotblue It would feel like a splinter.
Come stand in front of me and I'll let you feel it then tell me it has NO energy
Can you shot 25 acp out of the 32 version?
No.
What about the NAA Guardian? Thank you.
What about it? It's so close to as small as to make no real difference. My wife had one in .32 ACP but found it quite unpleasant to shoot. I did not find it to be as bad as the Seecamp.
@@tinkertalksguns7289 Thank you for the intel. I’ve been mulling over buying a pocket pistol for some time now and those are the two I decided on so far but unfortunately I haven’t been able to try either one. They are both pricey thus my trepidation in making a decision. The one reason I lean tour the Guardian is because NAA seems to have more accessories for it, like an extended magazine and a pinky extension, which made a big difference in my Sig.
The naa seems heavy for what it is. Heck according to their website the NAA .380 is 20.4 ounces, and the 32 is ~15 (not sure if these are no mag, with empty mag, or fully loaded weights? either way, they are higher than competition). My Ruger LCP 380 is like 10 ounces, and this seecamp is only 11.5. That matters IMO. other than that they seem very similar. Seecamp website lists the 380 as ~13.5 ounces "fully loaded". I just put my LCP (original) with 6 in the mag one in the chamber on the kitchen scale and it weight 12.5 ounces. So one ounce difference, not bad for the seecamp.
I wonder if the new grips fit the older guns?
I haven't tried it, but compare to my daughter-in-laws older gun it certainly looks like they would.
Browning?
I'm not sure what the question is here. This is not a Browning pistol, it's a Seecamp. Can you elaborate?
Those are the grips that came with the pistol. No polymers were sacrificed for new grips. However, I will be looking forward to the famous Tinker Grips that get attached to your new little shooter.
Hmm... that hadn't occurred to me...
I’d get in on nice grips for this gun
Child choking hazard
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It's BS when companies are looking for any reason to void their warranties. Makes for an untrustworthy company that people don't want to do business with.
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Choking hazard for children 😂😂
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@@tinkertalksguns7289 haha
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