Thank you so much I can only imagine how much work you put into this. I’ve been watching lost since I was a kid and constantly revisit it over the years. Each time I watch it I always have the joy of taking something new from it. Thank you for these videos!
This episode is great because it made me realize I'd never really thought about how the hatch worked before. I likeise previously assumed it was the energy release post explosion that sent them back forward in time, but it makes more sense it was simply that their purpose there was achieved. The island was done with them here.
Could you possibly do a video on the American military excursion of the island. How did they discover the island, what were they doing there and why did they bring a hydrogen bomb with them?
This is a brilliant idea! I had not considered doing a video on this subject, but will definitely add it to the list. We do know why the the U.S. military would bring a hydrogen bomb to the island though -- after WWII, the testing of atomic weapons continued throughout the 1950s with the military using volcanic islands as their testing ground. It is implied this is why the military had come to the LOST island and why The Others became hostile to strangers arriving on their shores. But this is absolutely worth a whole video of its own. Thank you for the suggestion. 👍
This was the only question I still had, years later: did the 1970's Losties die when Jughead exploded. I didn't understand why they were still on the island. But apparently, as you say, it's because the bomb IMPLODES, not explodes. So it did detonate, just in a way that wouldn't kill the Losties, rather it knocked them out of the timeloop they were stuck in. And that's why the Dharma Initiative carries on long enough for Ben to grow up and return to take the place over with The Others.
Thank you for another enlightening video! The incident is a plot that requires lots of connections and discussion, and this will help me so much to clarify things.
So glad there are more of these! And I always wanted a video about this. I loved the explanation about what the key actually does. How it basically finished off what Jughead started. And I never considered your really obvious explanation. They didn't turn the key before because they still wanted to study the electromagnetism. And Kates ear ringing!!! That blew my mind. The only thing I would add is I would imagine Jacob ordered the Others to leave the construction alone since I'm sure he knew how important it was. I can't imagine he lets them make things more difficult.
Groovy! There is a screenshot of Damon Lindelof in the writers room where we see some ideas on the white board of how season 5 would end and that would include both Juliet hitting the bomb and a shot of Richard Alpert in the jungle hearing the explosion/seeing a bright light from the Swan station. I think that's reallly cool and something that I see happening. I like the ending we got much better, since it's more ambiguous in terms of hype towards the final season. I think a lot of people consider detonation as a big nuclear detonation that would wipe out all houses, trees and people on the Island. We obviously didn't get an explosion like that. We just have to accept a slight bit of pseudoscience when it comes to Lost and what Faraday explains is what we get. "Negate the energy". In my video series I will also talk a little bit of the 1977-1980 timeframe for the Swan. I agree with most of your points. In the original blueprint/model Radzinsky is building in "Namaste", he has included a geodome with a computer in the middle. But since this is pre-Incident, I think his thought process here is that the geodome would act more like a laboratory with a computer in the middle. Rather than the button-pushing duty they needed to do. I also think that the station was in full swing from 1980, more precisely from January 1980 since the DIHG (mentioned on the blast door map) will inspect the station in July 1981 anyway. Likely 540 days after the first duo completes their time there.
I found myself thinking of LOST big time when watching Tenet. My understanding of the causality loop in Season Five helped me to understand (most of) Tenet first time around. I like to think Nolan watched LOST back in the day.
Here we go again! Great content as always! It’s kinda silly thing and I don’t remember if it was ever mentioned here, but I was wondering why people could actually hide/protect from the black smoke by staying in bamboo trees.
I don't think it's silly. It's a good question! They never imply an answer in the show itself. It is possible that the reason Smokey could not penetrate the banyan trees was because the people he was trying to get to were mostly candidates and, therefore, un-gettable. So, he was more trying to intimidate and create chaos than actually attack/kill. However, if you subscribe to my theory of what the ash compound really was -- a ground down rock/mineral found on the island with EM properties -- then the banyan trees might have either grown out of, or contained traces of, this very same mineral. Creating a natural EM field that Smokey could not penetrate. These are just theoretical solutions, of course.
It always confused me how the Smoke Monster could rip as many trees off the ground as he wanted, but couldn't even enter the Banyan trees (even though he could do so in human form). I thought, maybe, it was one of Jacob's rules used to prevent the Man in Black in his smoke form, from killing too many people who weren't candidates but still arrived on the Island. A sort of "extra chance" to save themselves from a pretty much unstoppable force.
And how could the smoke monster not penetrate the pylon barriers created around the village even though Kate could climb over them? And yet the smoke monster could enter the village when "summoned" by Ben?
@@RustyViewer A few points worth noting here. Remember, unlike human beings, the smoke monster is bound by certain rules. A human being can literally walk between the pylons before being affected by the sonar waves, which can either kill or incapacitate them. But the smoke monster can't even get that far between the pylons. He hits the invisible barrier like a brick wall. Smokey doesn't react the same way to the pylons as people do. The field repels him instantly. He can't get close enough to go over them, and he can only go so high. The other point you make about Smokey entering the barracks after Ben summons him is more simple. At that point in the show, Alex deactivated the pylons to let Keamy and his mercs into the compound, remember? Which means the fence was turned off all throughout that episode's stand-off between Ben and Keamy. And that's how Smokey entered the barracks without any resistance.
I can not believe how much you explain that never made sense to me. I didn't care that it didn't make sense, as I was sure there was an underlying logic I was missing. I've only watched it 8 or 9 times, after all! Thanks for your videos.
Drilling opens up the hole. The bomb seals the hole. The blast cancels out the energy’s buildup. And the energy pocket absorbs the blast. They negate each other.
Yeah, good idea! I would have also liked to know what you think were Widmore's exact intentions when he sent the freighter to the Island in season 4. What I mean by that is: did Widmore really intend to kill everyone on the Island as Ben claimed, or did he only want to remove Ben from his leader position and exile him from the Island? Likewise, what specific "rules" prevented Ben and Widmore to kill each other, and if or how those rules were cancelled by the end of season 6 (as Ben shot Widmore without difficulty). Were those rules only valid during Jacob's "reign" while he was still alive? Maybe those rules were purely social and fictional, with no true ground in "reality"? Sorry if you already mentioned those aspects in your other videos, I may have forgotten it.
Love your videos on Lost, they really helped me understand and appreciate the show more than I did on my first watch. I was curious as to your theory about he hieroglyphics on the countdown clock. Would Dharma know of the Egyptian from earlier? Why would they add them to the clock? I know its a minor detail but I thought those symbols had more of a significant influence than the appear to have.
This might be worth its own video someday, but I believe the short answer is that DHARMA was just as interested in the Egyptian period on The Island as we are. Pierre Chang was reckoning with the wheel chamber. Horace's house was built adjacent to the old ruins of the smoke monster summoning chamber so it could be closely studied. They even had plans to investigate/takeover The Temple at some point according to Ben's map. The hieroglyphs on the countdown timer were an homage to those islanders that came before DHARMA who had figured stuff out about the energy. The glyphs in the hatch were most likely added by Radzinsky as a cruel joke -- they translate to "Underworld", which is exactly what the hatch is trapped within. And if the button isn't pushed then the same fate that befell these ancient civilizations will likely befall the current island occupants.
My question is what exactly happened when Jack threw the bomb in that hole. In that exact moment I mean? Did that do anything? Or was it only Juliet hitting the bomb later on?
Yeah, this video basically sums up what I was always saying. But I was pretty sure the game became non canon along with that additional room from the concept art. Since the place was called the incident room and the device was broken. And we seen the actual incident.
The game is non canon really. I used it as a visual example because the show establishes a concrete wall near the hatch tunnel corridor. It is a sealed off room. In that room there had to have been some large device big enough to discharge the electromagnetic buildup. The computer was wired up to something. And that something was likely to have been an electromagnetic reactor. The anomalic energy was being channeled into the reactor and the button discharged the energy once it reached critical mass.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Shame we never seen it in the show At those early seasons I remember people expected the show to go more into that sci-fi direction rather than magic. Most people places bets on aliens or dinosaurs
Great video! Early in the video, when you listed the important events that happened during the Season 5 time-shifts, would it be fair to list Eloise gaining Daniel’s journal? For example, the journal contained instruction on how to neutralize the poison gas at the Tempest station. This may have provided the Others with the idea of how to purge the Dharma Initiative from the Island, which happened 15 years later, in 1992.
The plutonium core iteself is not a thermonuclear bomb...it's a fission (atomic) bomb and is the first stage - meant to trigger the second stage, it's the second stage that makes it thermonuclear (fusion)
Sawyer held him responsible for her death, as did Jack himself, but I don't think that we the audience were supposed to blame him for it. Even Sawyer forgives him by the end.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 If Sawyer "forgave" Jack, that meant he still held the latter responsible. For all of his intelligence, Sawyer was just as rash in his thinking as Jack.
@@DRush76 I think Sawyer held Jack accountable right up until the final few episodes. But after Jack apologises for getting Juliet killed and Sawyer makes a similar error in judgement with the bomb on the sub, he finally understands Jack and the burdens of leadership in a way he had not before. Which is why they part in the finale as friends.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 But Jack didn't make a similar error in judgment. He, Sayid and eventually Juliet did the right thing in setting off Jughead. They just did it for the wrong reason. I almost added that Juliet would have survived if she had not been dragged into the pit, thanks to Stuart Radzinsky. But if Juliet had never been in that pit, the Jughead bomb would not have been triggered and Radzinsky's drilling into the island's energy would have led to disaster for the world.
Great video again, my friend. I have one related question. How should we interpret Juliet's role in "creating" the pregnancy issue on the Island through detonating the Jughead core? The fanbase on the whole seem to think that the explosion caused the problem, and therefore that Juliet was responsible for the pregnancy issue that she was brought to the Island to "fix" in 2001. However, I've always preferred a slightly different interpretation, where the electromagnetic energy that escaped in the hours after the leak started, but before Juliet detonated the bomb, was the true cause of the pregnancy problem, and that what Juliet actually did was to ensure, as a result of the detonation temporarily plugging the leak, that the problem was confined to the Island, and didn't become major enough to threaten the wider world. This way Juliet gets to die a hero, rather than the accidental "villain" of the piece. Thoughts?
This is a very good question. I do plan to make a video specifically about the pregnancy issue, what caused it, and what exactly was happening to early-term gestation, but I will reserve most of my points for that FAQ. Whether you believe Juliet created the problem she was brought there to solve or not, she definitely still died a hero. Because had she not detonated the bomb, the world would have ended and no one would have survived. The fallout on pregnant women became an unintended side effect (and consequence) of saving the world.
Juliet did die as a hero. If she had not set off the bomb, the world would have been destroyed, thanks to Radzinsky's drilling. She was never some "accidental villain".
Amazing video! One question I have though is how come Jacob or the MIB never interfered in season 5 finale? Wouldn’t they have also known that the drill was going to destroy the island and would try to help prevent that from happening?
Well, we could say the same thing for why he doesn't interfere when Locke destroys the computer in the Season Two finale. Firstly, Jacob doesn't like to tell people what to do. He wants them to learn for themselves. Secondly, he knows The Island works out a lot of this on its own. Destiny always happens on schedule. He is merely a facilitator. Jacob has been a protector for a very long time and his powers have only gotten more incisive over time, which means he has some psychic omniscience. It is not a total all-seeing/all-knowing power, but it is an ability to understand the trajectory that future events might take. A bit like Desmond's flashes. Jacob reacts with his intuition. The Island speaks and acts through him when it needs to. He knows when to intervene and tell people what to do (like he does with Hurley) and when to wait and allow events to unfold in their pre-destined way. We can assume that he knows about the time travellers from the future in 1977, and we can further assume that he understands how time works, i.e. that it is not malleable and the past cannot be changed. Therefore, everything happening at The Swan site is supposed to happen and will not result in the end of the world. He accepts this and lets everything play out the way it needs to for the long-term plan to work. Jacob knows that the real threat to The Island is his brother.
You say that the 3 of them were transported out safely because the islands still needed them and you say that the island needed the main characters to save the world by detonating the bomb. Any reason why a sentient all powerul island that can transport the 3 men can't also Fix the impending electromagnetic explosion itself?
I wish Faraday merely made up the variable theory in order to convince Jack, realizing this was just what always happened and the part he needed to play, but for some reason Faraday is just wrong which is disappointing. I mean it's not impossible that he did make it up, but there is nothing that alludes to it in the show other than it being strange that the one person that was the most convinced of "whatever happened, happened" changed his mind.
I think the show communicates, quite nicely, that his reasoning for believing (or hoping) in variables being enough to change the constants of the past is rooted entirely in his grief. The loss of Charlotte changed everything and he became determined to try to disprove his own "whatever happened, happened" theorem. A sort-of confirmation bias took over in those proceeding three years. It was the major flaw in his thinking, a flaw that isn't based on any objective scientific knowledge or experimentation. That flaw was human emotion. I think this is the reason that Charlotte got killed off, in order to provide a catalyst for Faraday to change his thinking and to give him a motivation to do the opposite and go against time/fate.
@PLAINED108 thank you for answering, I have definitely thought about the Charlotte aspect and it is plausible for sure if I imagine a scenario where Charlotte doesn't die it is much harder to imagine that Faraday would change his mind, because he wouldn't feel the need to change things if she is alive. Another thing I am not sure of, if he wasn't also influenced by Desmond, because I am honestly not sure if Faraday doesn't think Desmond is an exception to whatever happened. When I check out all your stuff I would say the one thing I still don't totally understand is how faraday meeting desmond outside the hatch door is compliant with the whatever happened happened rule. Before your videos I always thought the way in which Desmond is special means he is excluded from the whatever happened happened rule (Faraday really does give you this idea by saying the rules dont apply to him this is also why I am kinda thinking daniel does mean he is exempt from WHH) Now that I watched your stuff on flashes before your eyes and constant I do agree nothing changed though so I am a bit stuck on the hatch encounter now since I don't understand why there is a delay to Desmond remembering this when his consciousness wasn't travelling at that point unlike constant and flashes before your eyes, so he simply saw a guy vanish and didn't remember until later why?
He wanted to blow a hole open in the chamber because that was the only way he could access the cave system that led to the wheel. The exotic matter chamber had been built above the wheel and the energy pocket. Putting metallic objects in the chamber created the same effect that you would get if you put metallic objects in a microwave... BOOM!
One thing I always always wondered and don't think was explained... Where was MIB during this time and what was he doing. If he's in the cabin how did they get him there and what was he doing before being led or put there!
We know the Man in Black was active during DHARMA times as there are several references to smoke monster activity. Pierre Chang alludes to it in the barracks orientation video in 1973 and Richard mentions to Horace how DHARMA's sonar fence keeps out "certain things" but not them in 1974. How aware MiB was of any of the time travelling at this point is mostly unknowable. It is unlikely he knew about our Losties (or their importance) until they became names on the cave wall. The cabin wasn't used by either Jacob or the MiB until after The Purge. Remember that Horace would have still been occupying it until his death. We can presume that Jacob and Richard started using it afterwards as a meeting point to discuss island issues. It was surrounded by ash to prevent the MiB from infiltrating the cabin or spying on them. At some point he got someone to break that circle for him and started occupying it of his own volition. Waiting for his "anti-candidate". I explore this in my video on "The Cabin": ruclips.net/video/QyJg1Kam_60/видео.html
The 'whatever happened - happened' leitmotif can be heard throughout the show and your videos. However, I don't agree with this idea regarding this bomb problem. Faraday and the group acted out of lack of crucial information. In other words, they didn't know that the bomb explosion actually caused the future they're living in. But what if they knew about it? Somebody (Richard) could have told them, or they could find Dharma's documents regarding this incident. If it wasn't for them brining the bomb to the digsite, the bomb wouldn't explode. Meaning that all they had to do while they're back in the past, is sit and watch. If they waited long enough, the future would have been changed - which is what Faraday and Jack ultimately wanted.
@@d3l3tes00n in this context it's more like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Faraday's actions in the past resulted in the events we observed, which led Faraday to his plan to detonate the bomb. If he knew that the explosion he caused in the past would result in the building of the Swan, he wouldn't come up with his plan.
This is true and even Miles pointed that out to them. "Didn't you ever stop to think that by trying to stop this event from happening, you are ultimately going to cause it?". That's because after 3 years in Ann Arbor, Faraday felt that if he were to focus on the variable instead of the constant...then he could change the "Whatever happened, happened". He was wrong (though if Jack did do nothing, there would be no future. Dharma would have drilled into the pocket and destroyed the island and the world). Damon said in a recent interview that the story of season 5 with Jughead is his version ot the tale "Appointment in Samarra". The story goes like this: "There was a merchant in Bagdad who sent his servant to market to buy provisions and in a little while the servant came back, white and trembling, and said, "Master, just now when I was in the marketplace I was jostled by a woman in the crowd and when I turned I saw it was Death that jostled me. She looked at me and made a threatening gesture, now, lend me your horse, and I will ride away from this city and avoid my fate. I will go to Samarra tonight and there Death will not find me". The merchant lent him his horse, and the servant mounted it, and he dug his spurs in its flanks and as fast as the horse could gallop he went. Then the merchant went down to the marketplace and he saw Death standing in the crowd and he came to Death and said, Why did you make a threating getsture to my servant when you saw him this morning? Death replied: "That was not a threatening gesture, it was only a start of surprise. I was astonished to see him in Bagdad, for I had an appointment with him tonight in Samarra".
Wait so Egyptians dug from the location of rope but where did they get the wheel? It wasn't down there at the time, and how was mib there at the time when wasn't even born?
They re-built the wheel as instructed by the Man in Black. He was influencing them because he wanted to complete his experiment to see if he could still leave the island. Obviously, it didn't work, but completing the wheel and redirecting the flow of energy around the island is likely what caused "the ancient incident". Watch my video on The Egyptians for more context on all this: ruclips.net/video/7y_Adm2F8f8/видео.html As for how was MiB down in the chamber in a time before it was built... I assume you mean when he appears to Locke as Christian? The chamber exists in its own pocket of time. When Locke falls into that chamber, he is in 2007, as evidenced by Christian's knowledge and instructions. I explain this in my video on The Cabin: ruclips.net/video/QyJg1Kam_60/видео.html
They have been translated over the years. My assessment of the hieroglyphs is included in my video on The Egyptians, which explains that probable backstory here: ruclips.net/video/7y_Adm2F8f8/видео.html
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 I don't mean the ones on the statue, sorry. Look at the time countdown at the timestamp. After zeroing down, the numbers switch to hieroglyphs.
Yes, the hieroglyphs on the hatch timer have been translated to mean: "Underworld." Which is essentially what the hatch is a doorway to in many respects. It's DHARMA's homage to the Egyptians who figured out a lot of the island's secrets way, way before they ever did.
I have a question. But first a few facts. Widmore was aware of the time travel incident most likely since a young age. Widmore also was aware that one of the time travelers is going to be his son and that he is going to die during the time travel. He also knew that there are gonna be a few 815 survivors with him but not his hit squad that he send to the island along with his son. Widmore knew how the donkey wheel works and also knew where the person that uses it gets transported to (maybe that's how he left the island to concept Penny?) since he had watched the place. Considering that the question is wasn't he quite aware that his hit squad is not going to success to kidnap Ben and transport him out of the island even before sending them there? Wasn't the true goal to scare Ben out of the island and make him use the donkey wheel just to get the revenge on him for banishing Widmore out of the island? Both gentlemen didn't try kill each other, they had multiple opportunities to do so if they wanted. They just seemed to play a game with some rules. At the end Ben shot Widmore but it was for the greater good of the island and most likely Widmore was aware of that reason is his last seconds. The worst thing that could happen was MiB forcing Widmore to share his knowledge which could result in him destroying the island.
Yes, it did. And I explain how and why in the video. There has always been a bit of debate around whether it did or didn’t but there is a lot of indisputable evidence that supports Jughead detonating. It is fascinating how some parts of the show still get fiercely debated to this day.
I can't remember if this was ever mentioned or not, but another viewer brought up the fact that Sun didn't go back in time with the rest of the group on the Ajira flight. Was that ever explained? I know Jacob had written "Kwon" on the cave wall, but he never specified which one or if it even mattered. I think he even told our group that either was fine. Some people say this is a big plot hole, but I've actually never questioned it.
Being a candidate was unrelated to whether or not people travelled through time. There were plenty of time travellers from the Oceanic 815 group who weren't candidates that went back with Team Sawyer at the start of season five. Because, like those on Ajira, only the people predestined to go back in time actually do so. In terms of the linear flow of time, Sun never appeared in the past of 1977, so therefore she did not travel with Team Jack through the time flash in 2007. As for "Kwon" written in the cave, Jacob does indeed confirm that it represented both Jin and Sun. They were jointly candidate 42. In 'What They Died For', Kate directly asks Jacob: "Sun and Jin Kwon and Sayid Jarrah, you wrote their names on the wall?" And Jacob responds: "Yes." We also see Jacob touch both Sun and Jin at the same time, which follows Jin telling Sun that being apart from her would be like the earth being apart from the sky. In other words, their bond is so deep that he sees them as being one. Hence, why when she dies, he dies with her. Jacob touched them both to act as a unit in the role of protector.
We have to weigh up the scenarios between human error versus automated error. Sure, a simple automated program could do all the work without the need for human supervision. However, all it would take is the computer program to blip a little bit and the world would end. That would have been too risky. At least the two man team could double check and support one another. One person fails to push the button, the other person can correct. We see that happen in the show several times. If The Swan were built today, it would probably use an automated system *and* human supervision to make sure the time horizons were met and any blips could be quickly identified then rectified. Back in the late 70s, computers were not as reliable as they are today and the technology could not be solely relied upon to do the job. It was safer having rotating teams of button pushers back then. When the time came to upgrade such an analogue system, DHARMA had been wiped out.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108That terminal is basically an Apple II digital computer. The days of unreliable analog computers were basically over. Radzinsky knew what he was doing too, as far as technology goes.. it strikes me as very odd that there was no script to at least serve as a backup. I suppose it would be too inconvenient to the plot
Apple II's had many, many bugs and problems, especially the first generations. A quick google lists the various drawbacks of the technology from the time. The point still stands that DHARMA could not rely upon a computer from 1977 to be fully automated without there being issues. Also, Radzinsky built a closed system that he had full control over because he was a paranoid control freak and his goal was to study the properties and effects of the electromagnetism as much as it was to contain it. He could have programmed a back-up script in the early days, but that would still have needed upkeep/refreshing as the years went on. After he died, there would have been no one left with the knowledge base to do that down there. And still, even with a back-up script in place, all it would take is for a power outage or a generator failure to kill or reset the whole system. Automation remains unreliable in this context. So, I don't think this is about plot inconvenience. The plot logic here is sound. This is more about modern viewers used to modern technology looking back at old technology and holding it to the same standards of reliability. Even in 2005 (when The Swan was first introduced to us) computing technology wasn't anywhere as reliable as it is right now. I wouldn't trust any computer that was tasked with preventing the world from ending to rely on automation or some back-up script. I want human beings monitoring it 24/7.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108true, I would want that even today. Fair enough. I guess I wasn’t thinking about the stakes of the button since the key backup renders the whole thing inert, but they weren’t sure that would work or if it would kill the guy turning the key. So with those stakes in mind I suppose you’d park two bozos down there and hope they don’t kill each other 😂
LOL, yes exactly. DHARMA did almost cause the end of the world with the incident and made a lot of bad calls, so they weren't exactly the brightest lights in the night sky.
RE: keying in the numbers - But why trust such an important action to humans? There is a computer there, so why not just write a simple program to automatically key that sequence every 108 minutes per a basic timer routine?
First of all, we have to weigh up the scenarios involving human error versus automated error. Human error can happen in many different ways -- as we see actually happen in the show on various occasions. However, it can be monitored, double checked and corrected because there is always supposed to be a team of two entering the numbers at all times. That was the original system and it was ultimately effective, at least when DHARMA was still around to ensure that such a system continues. As for automated error, aka letting the computer automatically enter the numbers, by its very definition would not necessitate the need for constant human supervision. As you say, a simple program could do all the work. However, all it would take is the computer program to blip a little bit and the world would end. That would have been too risky. If the hatch were built today, it would probably use an automated system AND human supervision to make sure the time horizons were met and any blips could be quickly identified and corrected. Back in the late 70s, computers were not as reliable as they are today and the technology could not be solely relied upon to do the job. It was safer having rotating teams of button pushers back then. When the time came to upgrade such an analogue system, DHARMA had been wiped out.
How did the island not get exploded after that? And Before making the Hatch, Earth was fine so why make a hatch in which if button is not pressed it'll Destroy thr world
The Earth was fine until DHARMA started drilling into it to get to the light. By doing this, they caused an incident that threatened the stability of the energy (which could end the world) hence why they had to plug the leak with concrete and build the station with the computer to discharge the energy's build-up. This video explains all of this in detail.
From the Ajira flight why was only Jack, Kate, Sayid and Hurley transported to the past?? What about Sun What about Ben Why just them And it didn't really make sense how they just disappeared from a plane selectively
Because only the people predestined to go back in time from the Ajira flight did so. In terms of the linear flow time, Sun never appeared in the past of 1977, so therefore she did not travel with the others through the time flash. The same applies to adult Ben. It wasn't that it was randomly selective, it was predestined. Only the people who appeared in 1977 travelled back to that time. Because it already happened.
It’s a text to speech voice. I’ve been recording with my real voice for the past year and a half now. Basically the latest 11 videos on the channel all use my voice, better audio and higher quality footage. All of these old videos have been more or less remade. Try checking out the newer ‘Theory of Everything’ series on here, starting with The Origins of The Island. 👍
I don't think any reboot could recapture the lightning in the bottle of the original series. However, if they were going to reboot the property no matter what, I have some ideas for that in my video on "What Happened After the End?" involving the next generation of Losties. It's not something I am hoping for, but it's a way that I think a reboot could work.
Where the characters aware that detonating the hydrogen bomb could have the effects doing so normally would, i.e. killing everyone on the Island, or did they just think it would negate the pocket of energy? Coz it's the difference between them just waiting to undo the future and change their past, and commiting genocide 😅
Faraday's says the bomb will "negate" the energy and offers up a journal with specific instructions on how that will work. The plan was never to blow up the island. Again this is a misconception/misunderstanding perpetuated by that "LOST takedown" video series you have mentioned previously. If the mission were to blow up the island then there would have been no need to drop it down at the Swan site. They could have just detonated it above ground. The point is that the two forces would cancel each other out and cause an implosion underground. The above video does explain that process.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 yeah that is what I thought, but who knows what the consequences could actually have been? I mean if the plan didn't work then that would've happened
The characters do acknowledge that possibility. It's part of the high stakes to their solution. But you have to see it from the POV of Jack and the Losties. By the time that the bomb goes off, all of the families have been evacuated. The only people remaining on the island are hostile to our Oceanic group in some way, shape or form. The Others are still their long-term enemies. DHARMA are trying to hunt them down and execute them. The Island being destroyed, even by accident, is an acceptable outcome if it changes the timeline (which it would). But they obviously wish to preserve lives by detonating Jughead underground and to stop the building of the hatch. This is why Eloise agrees to the plan.
That only happened when the pocket of energy beneath the Swan was destroyed and the remaining electromagnetism was released into the atmosphere, as we saw happen at the end of season two. It’s possible that a blast of light was released after Juliet detonated Jughead. We know its reaction with the pocket released a burst of electromagnetic energy from below. And that this flash of light is what Richard saw before our Losties disappeared, hence why he thought they all died. Aka he thought they were all vaporised.
you assume there was a certain amount of time without problems because of the age of the computer. that is a logical fallacy. it is more likely the problem has existed since that moment of the bomb and they used a *differnet* solution (maybe something more hands on), before building that computer system. it's a better, more convenient process, but also very specific. this is not the first solution you come up with, but a longer thoughtout process as you realize you'll have to keep doing this for a long time and improve on whatever temporary solution you had. through troubleshooting they developed the computer method, and thats what endured so it is what we find. temporary measures and the path to get to the elegant procedure rarely get mentioned so there would no evidence of it
I assume that there was a certain amount of time without electromagnetic problems not because of the build of the computer but because it takes a long time to build an entire operational station like The Swan. Think of how long the construction would have taken. You can’t build something of that size and complexity while there are earthquakes going on underneath it. That’s not a logical fallacy. That’s just logic.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 which is based on the assumption that the only way to stop tremors is through the computer. but then how is the station build *around* the computer and reactor? without tremors there would be no need to come up with the computer. and the station does not seem like it was retrofitted later. More likely remors and/or other effects started again during the construction, which would force them to stop. They tested until they found a temporary solution (probably rather inconvenient and imperfect but enough to continue). would tweak and improve it until they developed the reactor method, which is when the building plans were adapted around that central feature. the temporary solution was good enough to finish building, and upon completion replaced with the computer. it was the final solution, but there were likely a first draft and a second, a trial and error period before they got to that point, the elegant solution with the least side effects. it seems strange to me that for years the discharge would be so precise and constant, but have a years long gap. if it built up slowly and got worse, you'd see a shortening of that time frame but we dont. it stayed the same interval. my understanding is that while the bomb was necessary to prevent worse, the damage of the source was done and could not be fixed, just stopped from getting worse. from that moment forward energy would build up at a steady pace, and stay stable if managed. not years later but from then on constantly, keeping the same amount of energy release/time interval. trying to prevent the station from being build let to the incident that made the station necessary, which lines up with the theme of time paradoxes
That’s a whole lot of assumptions you just made! 😆 The truth is that there is no way we can be sure exactly what happened post-Jughead detonation beyond a few core timeline factors that were established. The rest is using common sense logic based upon what we saw. We know that Jughead bought DHARMA enough time to complete the station because the station got built and you can’t errect a structure made from various metals if the leak is active. Why? Because anything remotely magnetic gets contorted and sucked downwards. Which means the leak had to be temporarily sealed during that time. We know that the method for sealing the leak was concrete because there was concrete poured at the foundations, as we see Jack and Sayid down there exploring and commenting on it. Which indicates DHARMA poured concrete down the drill site’s hole before doing anything else. They would have started construction with that very same area below the station because that is how anything gets built - from the ground up. We know that they also installed the fail-safe platform and the electromagnetic reactor at the foundation level so they could blow up the anomaly if they had to. They knew exactly where to position these devices over because the hole Radzinsky drilled gave them the precise depth and diameter of the leak. As long as that entire area was secured then they could build the rest of the station above and around it. The station is way bigger than that hole from 1977. So all they needed to do was install the heart of the station at the bottom of that dig site then build out from there. We know that there is also another room above all this - the doorway near the rear hatch entrance also sealed with concrete - that is depicted as having been closed off on the blast door map. This is known as “The Incident Room”. Part of the core of the station. In the officially licensed (although non-canon) computer game Via Domus, there is a depiction of what that room might have looked like, which I share in this video. It gives us a view of the reactor. Some fans believe that there was a second incident that occurred in there, forcing the room to be walled off. We know that the computer/button is wired up to something behind that concrete anyway. Because it is discharging the buildup every time it is pressed, which means whatever DHARMA built over the dig site is absorbing the leak into itself so that it can be discharged. Then we have the computer itself and the orientation video giving us the year 1980, which is three years after the original incident. All of this allows us to deduce a rough series of events and probabilities. It takes a long time to build a station. You cannot build it if the leak is active during that time since anything remotely magnetic gets pulled down. Concrete is an effective plug and forms the foundation. A reactor is installed over the initial dig site. The Swan is built around that core. Something happened between then and 1980 - either the leak returned suddenly or gradually - but the system was already in place. The orientation film is made in 1980 to explain how the process works. The rest is down to our imaginations but doesn’t really matter for the purposes of the narrative.
so if they cant change the future how did detonating the bomb save the island? if they cant change the future the island must have always been saved. Its a catch 22 - doesnt make any sense
It’s a causality time loop, also known as a bootstrap paradox, in which the causality is cyclical. These are always full of Catch 22s - which happens to be the name of a Desmond episode BTW. The bomb stops the incident from growing any bigger and destroying The Island. But that in turn buys enough time for The Swan to be built and the button system to be implemented. Which will lead to the crash of Oceanic 815 in 2004, bringing the time travellers to The Island so they can go back in time and stop the incident from destroying the planet. So, it absolutely does make sense and the logic is self consistent. This is simply the nature of deterministic time travel and can be seen across multiple time travel stories. It’s exact same logic used in The Terminator with how John Connor is conceived. Skynet rises to destroy humanity. A human resistance fights back led by John Connor. Skynet sends a terminator back in time to kill John Connor’s mother. John sends his soldier Kyle Reese back in time to protect her. Kyle and Sarah fall in love and sleep together, making Sarah pregnant with John. Kyle dies. The terminator is destroyed. Sarah gives birth to John, who will go on to become the resistance leader and send his father back in time while the remains of the destroyed terminator will be recovered and used to create the technology that will become Skynet. The whole thing is a causality loop. Classic time travel stuff!
Dan told them to bury the bomb then later to explode it which is what Juliet did.... The bomb returned them to to 2007 and also created the Sideways Flashes.. Nothing you can tell me that will change my mind. The bomb DID explode
Yes, the bomb DID explode, we can agree on that. But it DID NOT create the flash sideways. My previous FAQ video on "Were They Dead the Whole Time' explains why this is a widespread misconception: ruclips.net/video/lz7Vs-ZnBGM/видео.html
@@qwertymanor I agree with you. It created an alternative timeline where they could find each other by purging themselves of the question "What if the plane didn't crash?" That's what they wanted to know and that's what they got but it also kept the original timeline so I disagree wit the makers of this video. There's one thing they've forgotten, when Miles got through from dead Juliet: "It worked."
@@RustyViewer The sideways reality is unrelated to Jughead's detonation. It's the afterlife not an alternate timeline and this is clearly stated in the series finale. Jack says that he died and that everyone in the church are dead too. The sideways is a fourth dimensional construct that exists outside of our linear perceptions of time and space. We can view that as meaning that the sideways is happening after all of human existence has come to an end on earth, i.e., everyone has already died. We all go there in death to reunite with our soulmates. It exists beyond time. The reason why Juliet's last thought is "It worked" in 'LA X' has nothing to do with changing the timeline. She says this exact phrase in the sideways in the series finale to Sawyer when he gets the candy bar out of the vending machine. She says: "It worked." Then she says "We should get coffee sometime. We can go dutch." These are the same words she said to Sawyer as she laid dying in his arms. Watch those scenes again back-to-back and it will become clear. As Juliet was dying on The Island, her mind was entering the afterlife of the sideways and experiencing that moment with Sawyer at the vending machine. It's why she is smiling. And this is what Miles read from her dead body.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Awesome. i recently watched season 6 because I watched one of your new videos after yt recommended. I actually got a ton of insight I didn't have before! Every time I have started playing the next video I've crossed fingers that it wont be the robot voice. Regardless: Good stuff and thanks for the deep dives!
this series has a serious problem with physics of electromagnetism mixing it up with nuclear power and some kind of mysterious energy which could do wonders. makes me everytime cringe. i wish they had gone with subatomic particle physics or quantum physics. those still dont have the properties they show in the series but for normal folks those are mysterious enough to be somewhat plausible. brain time travel somewhat could ve been explained by quantum entanglement for example.
The energy is electromagnetic in nature but not simply just electromagnetism. That is just DHARMA's way of understanding the light's properties. We are never fully told what it actually is. Therein lies the wriggle room for interpretation. Not sure if you've watched previous videos of mine that explain the light, but the mind travel, the healing and so-called island "magic" are explainable in terms of the show's mix of real science and pseudo-science. I think the show made it pretty clear from the start that we had left behind real world plausibility. People surviving that plane crash and a previously paralyzed man being able to walk again tip us off early.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 na i am just watching season 3 again and scratching my head... a lot. idk. they tried to seal of electromag. radiation with concrete... won't work. fine for nuclear though
Yeah, but the concrete didn't actually stop the leak. It only reduced its severity for a temporary amount of time. They had to build the reactor to discharge the build-up. The atmospheric radiation was still there following the fallout in 1977, hence the pregnancy problems for the next few decades. Like I said, the light is not just electromagnetism, it's an elemental force. It's admittedly pseudo-science but there is an internal logic to how it works in the story. Warp drive and "the force" don't exist either, but we don't hold Star Trek and Star Wars to the fire over that. It's science fiction with an emphasis on the fiction.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Where did they get the 108 minutes from? Why a static number? Couldn't the build up time vary each time? And why use certain numbers adding up to 108 in a computer to trigger a reset? Why not just type in 108? What if they typed in 300, would that mean it reset to 300 minutes? If they made the time reset longer (say put in 2000) , couldn't they actually get more sleep?
@@RustyViewer First of all, DHARMA did not choose 108 minutes as the reset time. That was just the amount of time that it naturally took for the electromagnetic leak beneath The Swan to build-up to critical mass. DHARMA had no choice in that. The building energy was being channelled into some kind of reactor that was connected to the computer and the button discharged the build-up. 108 minutes was the maximum amount of time it took for this anomaly to reach a dischargeable level. Secondly, if you add up the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42 together you get... 108 as the total. Which means even the natural timing of that electromagnetic build-up was related to the numbers and fate. Everything happened for a reason and everything meant something.
Some of my videos aren't theories, they're demonstrably proven on the show itself. This video is a good example of that. Most of what I am doing is simply unpacking what was presented in the story or connecting dots that were both intentionally and unintentionally left in the narrative. Damon and Carlton have gone on record as saying that they want the show "to speak for itself", and I think a lot of it does. However, six seasons of complicated mythology (and retcons and narrative detours) can be hard for the average viewer to untangle and make sense of. That's where I come in! You can find Damon and Carlton speaking about some of the mysteries online (you can easily Google various articles, podcasts, interviews, etc online), but they are often enigmatic in their answering of lingering questions; there are only so many things they outright confirmed or denied. I sometimes use their quotes when I need to back-up certain facts or interpretations. But they did tease a lot. Whereas JJ Abrams had no real involvement as a creative force with the series past the Pilot, so he wouldn't be able to answer much about the show anyway. Anyway, the point of this channel is to take canon information from the show, occasional confirmations from the creators, and extrapolate when necessary on the more ambiguous elements that were intentionally left open. 70% of the channel is simply unpicking the actual narrative to explain the show in its totality, while the other 30% provides my own theory crafting to fill in the gaps.
I answer that question in this very video you’re commenting on. I explain how the bomb detonated and why it didn’t destroy the island. Try watching from 2:52 for more info.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Good explanation and I really appreciate all of your work. I wish that the show itself would have included more of that 30% that you are providing us. I feel like in the first Four Seasons of the show there was so much of the mystery that they weren't helping the audience untangle that the Intricacies of the narrative are not appreciated by most viewers. Like the show that you are describing in your videos is way better in my mind than the actual show that I watched because I understood so little of this during the actual viewing. Maybe that's my shortcoming but I feel like it's theirs.
When Juliet hit the bomb, at the point of detonation, our Losties are transported back to the present day instantaneously. That precise moment of detonation -- when the chain reaction ignites -- is when our Losties blip out of 1977 and back into 2007. It's like a jumpcut in time for them. We are talking micro-seconds here.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 A shows a show and all - Lost does a lot of things right, but I do find this a particularly troublesome point. Never before was a time jump so specific, and its weird that the bomb causes it in the first place - note I'm not saying it doesn't though. My bigger point of contention is that if they got transported instantaneously, Kate wouldn't hear the sound of the bomb. Gamma radiation travels faster than sound, meaning if everyone heard the bomb, they would also be irradiated. To be fair, the island should be able to heal any cancer it gives them, and they wouldn't die instantaneously, the heat from the radiation wouldn't have time to disperse (at least for those above ground), and the shockwave wouldn't reach them either, but its a horrifying knives edge and definitely a stretch.
There’s a cure for your aids. I’ve remade, revoiced and recompiled all of these old videos. Been using my own voice for two years now. You can watch this entire series of explainers in one bumper playlist here: LOST EXPLAINED - The Theory of Everything ruclips.net/p/PL5iTj9psbPrNovFOg4pJJIyxiLAv2WAKB
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 thank you my aids is in remission. I have been watching these videos though, they’re a bit long though. I liked the idea of these 20min explainers
Lol, well I guess you can’t have everything! That said, you don’t have to do the big videos all in one go. There are chapter breaks in each one to partition the information by subject matter, so you could just use those chapter breaks as natural break points for yourself. Watch the videos piecemeal in whatever way best suits your viewing habits. There are some shorter videos that I used my actual voice for in the FAQ section starting with my analysis on the Pregnancy Crisis - basically any videos after that all feature my own real voice narrating so you can find some shorter vids there too.
Thank you for this video! I find it very articulate, solid and convincing. It helped me to form a clearer picture of what happened after Juliet hit Jughead.
Holy shit, I never thought that Sawyer and his rope led the Egyptians to dig in that spot!
I watched that episode yesterday and notice how they done a lot travelling in time. I think season 5 is real definition of why they were lost haha
i didn´t know that it was egyptians that did that. I thought that it was the people that were there when jacob was born.. they were egyptian?
Your explanations are so simple yet totally revelatory at the same time!
Thank you so much I can only imagine how much work you put into this. I’ve been watching lost since I was a kid and constantly revisit it over the years. Each time I watch it I always have the joy of taking something new from it.
Thank you for these videos!
This episode is great because it made me realize I'd never really thought about how the hatch worked before.
I likeise previously assumed it was the energy release post explosion that sent them back forward in time, but it makes more sense it was simply that their purpose there was achieved. The island was done with them here.
Could you possibly do a video on the American military excursion of the island. How did they discover the island, what were they doing there and why did they bring a hydrogen bomb with them?
This is a brilliant idea! I had not considered doing a video on this subject, but will definitely add it to the list. We do know why the the U.S. military would bring a hydrogen bomb to the island though -- after WWII, the testing of atomic weapons continued throughout the 1950s with the military using volcanic islands as their testing ground. It is implied this is why the military had come to the LOST island and why The Others became hostile to strangers arriving on their shores. But this is absolutely worth a whole video of its own. Thank you for the suggestion. 👍
This was the only question I still had, years later: did the 1970's Losties die when Jughead exploded. I didn't understand why they were still on the island. But apparently, as you say, it's because the bomb IMPLODES, not explodes. So it did detonate, just in a way that wouldn't kill the Losties, rather it knocked them out of the timeloop they were stuck in.
And that's why the Dharma Initiative carries on long enough for Ben to grow up and return to take the place over with The Others.
Thank you for another enlightening video! The incident is a plot that requires lots of connections and discussion, and this will help me so much to clarify things.
So glad there are more of these! And I always wanted a video about this. I loved the explanation about what the key actually does. How it basically finished off what Jughead started. And I never considered your really obvious explanation. They didn't turn the key before because they still wanted to study the electromagnetism. And Kates ear ringing!!! That blew my mind. The only thing I would add is I would imagine Jacob ordered the Others to leave the construction alone since I'm sure he knew how important it was. I can't imagine he lets them make things more difficult.
Brilliant work. I had already thought this, but you explain it so well and in great detail. Thanks.
"I had already thought this" ... lol!
Finally got good answers about why they didn't just turn the failsafe key years earlier. Thank you for putting my mind at rest.
Thank you! Your explanation is so good.
Groovy! There is a screenshot of Damon Lindelof in the writers room where we see some ideas on the white board of how season 5 would end and that would include both Juliet hitting the bomb and a shot of Richard Alpert in the jungle hearing the explosion/seeing a bright light from the Swan station. I think that's reallly cool and something that I see happening. I like the ending we got much better, since it's more ambiguous in terms of hype towards the final season. I think a lot of people consider detonation as a big nuclear detonation that would wipe out all houses, trees and people on the Island. We obviously didn't get an explosion like that. We just have to accept a slight bit of pseudoscience when it comes to Lost and what Faraday explains is what we get. "Negate the energy".
In my video series I will also talk a little bit of the 1977-1980 timeframe for the Swan. I agree with most of your points. In the original blueprint/model Radzinsky is building in "Namaste", he has included a geodome with a computer in the middle. But since this is pre-Incident, I think his thought process here is that the geodome would act more like a laboratory with a computer in the middle. Rather than the button-pushing duty they needed to do. I also think that the station was in full swing from 1980, more precisely from January 1980 since the DIHG (mentioned on the blast door map) will inspect the station in July 1981 anyway. Likely 540 days after the first duo completes their time there.
This video has me wondering how much the events in this period of the series influenced Christopher Nolan with how much it resembles Tenet.
I found myself thinking of LOST big time when watching Tenet. My understanding of the causality loop in Season Five helped me to understand (most of) Tenet first time around. I like to think Nolan watched LOST back in the day.
I love allll your videos about Lost !! Thank you so much :)
Here we go again! Great content as always!
It’s kinda silly thing and I don’t remember if it was ever mentioned here, but I was wondering why people could actually hide/protect from the black smoke by staying in bamboo trees.
I don't think it's silly. It's a good question! They never imply an answer in the show itself. It is possible that the reason Smokey could not penetrate the banyan trees was because the people he was trying to get to were mostly candidates and, therefore, un-gettable. So, he was more trying to intimidate and create chaos than actually attack/kill.
However, if you subscribe to my theory of what the ash compound really was -- a ground down rock/mineral found on the island with EM properties -- then the banyan trees might have either grown out of, or contained traces of, this very same mineral. Creating a natural EM field that Smokey could not penetrate.
These are just theoretical solutions, of course.
It always confused me how the Smoke Monster could rip as many trees off the ground as he wanted, but couldn't even enter the Banyan trees (even though he could do so in human form).
I thought, maybe, it was one of Jacob's rules used to prevent the Man in Black in his smoke form, from killing too many people who weren't candidates but still arrived on the Island. A sort of "extra chance" to save themselves from a pretty much unstoppable force.
And how could the smoke monster not penetrate the pylon barriers created around the village even though Kate could climb over them? And yet the smoke monster could enter the village when "summoned" by Ben?
@@RustyViewer A few points worth noting here. Remember, unlike human beings, the smoke monster is bound by certain rules. A human being can literally walk between the pylons before being affected by the sonar waves, which can either kill or incapacitate them. But the smoke monster can't even get that far between the pylons. He hits the invisible barrier like a brick wall. Smokey doesn't react the same way to the pylons as people do. The field repels him instantly. He can't get close enough to go over them, and he can only go so high.
The other point you make about Smokey entering the barracks after Ben summons him is more simple. At that point in the show, Alex deactivated the pylons to let Keamy and his mercs into the compound, remember? Which means the fence was turned off all throughout that episode's stand-off between Ben and Keamy. And that's how Smokey entered the barracks without any resistance.
I can not believe how much you explain that never made sense to me. I didn't care that it didn't make sense, as I was sure there was an underlying logic I was missing. I've only watched it 8 or 9 times, after all! Thanks for your videos.
This was really well done
Great analysis. Loved this show.
I still don't quite understand. How would DHARMA drilling into the pocket release the light but a literal nuclear bomb wouldn't?
Drilling opens up the hole. The bomb seals the hole. The blast cancels out the energy’s buildup. And the energy pocket absorbs the blast. They negate each other.
I love your videos
Yeah, good idea!
I would have also liked to know what you think were Widmore's exact intentions when he sent the freighter to the Island in season 4. What I mean by that is: did Widmore really intend to kill everyone on the Island as Ben claimed, or did he only want to remove Ben from his leader position and exile him from the Island? Likewise, what specific "rules" prevented Ben and Widmore to kill each other, and if or how those rules were cancelled by the end of season 6 (as Ben shot Widmore without difficulty). Were those rules only valid during Jacob's "reign" while he was still alive? Maybe those rules were purely social and fictional, with no true ground in "reality"? Sorry if you already mentioned those aspects in your other videos, I may have forgotten it.
You know it’s a good show when people have to debate if a hydrogen bomb went off or not lol
Can you please agree to make a video with one of these great credits debating lost and answering there questions
A show with one season or a miniseries depicting what Dharma did after the incident would be interesting
A+ always fun to dig into this show!
I love almost everything about these videos
Thank you :)
This is fantastic
Love your videos on Lost, they really helped me understand and appreciate the show more than I did on my first watch. I was curious as to your theory about he hieroglyphics on the countdown clock. Would Dharma know of the Egyptian from earlier? Why would they add them to the clock? I know its a minor detail but I thought those symbols had more of a significant influence than the appear to have.
This might be worth its own video someday, but I believe the short answer is that DHARMA was just as interested in the Egyptian period on The Island as we are. Pierre Chang was reckoning with the wheel chamber. Horace's house was built adjacent to the old ruins of the smoke monster summoning chamber so it could be closely studied. They even had plans to investigate/takeover The Temple at some point according to Ben's map. The hieroglyphs on the countdown timer were an homage to those islanders that came before DHARMA who had figured stuff out about the energy. The glyphs in the hatch were most likely added by Radzinsky as a cruel joke -- they translate to "Underworld", which is exactly what the hatch is trapped within. And if the button isn't pushed then the same fate that befell these ancient civilizations will likely befall the current island occupants.
Brilliant explanation. Thank you
My question is what exactly happened when Jack threw the bomb in that hole. In that exact moment I mean? Did that do anything? Or was it only Juliet hitting the bomb later on?
Yeah, this video basically sums up what I was always saying.
But I was pretty sure the game became non canon along with that additional room from the concept art. Since the place was called the incident room and the device was broken. And we seen the actual incident.
The game is non canon really. I used it as a visual example because the show establishes a concrete wall near the hatch tunnel corridor. It is a sealed off room. In that room there had to have been some large device big enough to discharge the electromagnetic buildup. The computer was wired up to something. And that something was likely to have been an electromagnetic reactor. The anomalic energy was being channeled into the reactor and the button discharged the energy once it reached critical mass.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Shame we never seen it in the show
At those early seasons I remember people expected the show to go more into that sci-fi direction rather than magic. Most people places bets on aliens or dinosaurs
Great video! Early in the video, when you listed the important events that happened during the Season 5 time-shifts, would it be fair to list Eloise gaining Daniel’s journal? For example, the journal contained instruction on how to neutralize the poison gas at the Tempest station. This may have provided the Others with the idea of how to purge the Dharma Initiative from the Island, which happened 15 years later, in 1992.
Yes indeed, I discuss that very idea in my video on the purge. The journal was undoubtedly a big part of the time loop for sure.
The plutonium core iteself is not a thermonuclear bomb...it's a fission (atomic) bomb and is the first stage - meant to trigger the second stage, it's the second stage that makes it thermonuclear (fusion)
Should Jack have been held responsible for Juliet's death? I find that hard to believe.
Sawyer held him responsible for her death, as did Jack himself, but I don't think that we the audience were supposed to blame him for it. Even Sawyer forgives him by the end.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 That's true. But a lot of fans did blame Jack and continued to blame him to this day.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 If Sawyer "forgave" Jack, that meant he still held the latter responsible. For all of his intelligence, Sawyer was just as rash in his thinking as Jack.
@@DRush76 I think Sawyer held Jack accountable right up until the final few episodes. But after Jack apologises for getting Juliet killed and Sawyer makes a similar error in judgement with the bomb on the sub, he finally understands Jack and the burdens of leadership in a way he had not before. Which is why they part in the finale as friends.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 But Jack didn't make a similar error in judgment. He, Sayid and eventually Juliet did the right thing in setting off Jughead. They just did it for the wrong reason. I almost added that Juliet would have survived if she had not been dragged into the pit, thanks to Stuart Radzinsky. But if Juliet had never been in that pit, the Jughead bomb would not have been triggered and Radzinsky's drilling into the island's energy would have led to disaster for the world.
Great video again, my friend. I have one related question. How should we interpret Juliet's role in "creating" the pregnancy issue on the Island through detonating the Jughead core? The fanbase on the whole seem to think that the explosion caused the problem, and therefore that Juliet was responsible for the pregnancy issue that she was brought to the Island to "fix" in 2001. However, I've always preferred a slightly different interpretation, where the electromagnetic energy that escaped in the hours after the leak started, but before Juliet detonated the bomb, was the true cause of the pregnancy problem, and that what Juliet actually did was to ensure, as a result of the detonation temporarily plugging the leak, that the problem was confined to the Island, and didn't become major enough to threaten the wider world. This way Juliet gets to die a hero, rather than the accidental "villain" of the piece. Thoughts?
This is a very good question. I do plan to make a video specifically about the pregnancy issue, what caused it, and what exactly was happening to early-term gestation, but I will reserve most of my points for that FAQ. Whether you believe Juliet created the problem she was brought there to solve or not, she definitely still died a hero. Because had she not detonated the bomb, the world would have ended and no one would have survived. The fallout on pregnant women became an unintended side effect (and consequence) of saving the world.
Juliet did die as a hero. If she had not set off the bomb, the world would have been destroyed, thanks to Radzinsky's drilling. She was never some "accidental villain".
Your videos are amazing! as a first time lost viewer they've helped clear up a lot! Thanks for all your hard work!
And thank you for watching and your kind comments :)
So wonderfully explained! Great job! :)
Thank you, Tony!
Amazing video! One question I have though is how come Jacob or the MIB never interfered in season 5 finale? Wouldn’t they have also known that the drill was going to destroy the island and would try to help prevent that from happening?
Well, we could say the same thing for why he doesn't interfere when Locke destroys the computer in the Season Two finale.
Firstly, Jacob doesn't like to tell people what to do. He wants them to learn for themselves. Secondly, he knows The Island works out a lot of this on its own. Destiny always happens on schedule. He is merely a facilitator.
Jacob has been a protector for a very long time and his powers have only gotten more incisive over time, which means he has some psychic omniscience. It is not a total all-seeing/all-knowing power, but it is an ability to understand the trajectory that future events might take. A bit like Desmond's flashes. Jacob reacts with his intuition. The Island speaks and acts through him when it needs to. He knows when to intervene and tell people what to do (like he does with Hurley) and when to wait and allow events to unfold in their pre-destined way.
We can assume that he knows about the time travellers from the future in 1977, and we can further assume that he understands how time works, i.e. that it is not malleable and the past cannot be changed. Therefore, everything happening at The Swan site is supposed to happen and will not result in the end of the world. He accepts this and lets everything play out the way it needs to for the long-term plan to work. Jacob knows that the real threat to The Island is his brother.
Very interesting !!
This is so confusing still, but I love it even more!!!
You say that the 3 of them were transported out safely because the islands still needed them and you say that the island needed the main characters to save the world by detonating the bomb. Any reason why a sentient all powerul island that can transport the 3 men can't also Fix the impending electromagnetic explosion itself?
I wish Faraday merely made up the variable theory in order to convince Jack, realizing this was just what always happened and the part he needed to play, but for some reason Faraday is just wrong which is disappointing. I mean it's not impossible that he did make it up, but there is nothing that alludes to it in the show other than it being strange that the one person that was the most convinced of "whatever happened, happened" changed his mind.
I think the show communicates, quite nicely, that his reasoning for believing (or hoping) in variables being enough to change the constants of the past is rooted entirely in his grief. The loss of Charlotte changed everything and he became determined to try to disprove his own "whatever happened, happened" theorem. A sort-of confirmation bias took over in those proceeding three years. It was the major flaw in his thinking, a flaw that isn't based on any objective scientific knowledge or experimentation. That flaw was human emotion. I think this is the reason that Charlotte got killed off, in order to provide a catalyst for Faraday to change his thinking and to give him a motivation to do the opposite and go against time/fate.
@PLAINED108 thank you for answering, I have definitely thought about the Charlotte aspect and it is plausible for sure if I imagine a scenario where Charlotte doesn't die it is much harder to imagine that Faraday would change his mind, because he wouldn't feel the need to change things if she is alive.
Another thing I am not sure of, if he wasn't also influenced by Desmond, because I am honestly not sure if Faraday doesn't think Desmond is an exception to whatever happened.
When I check out all your stuff I would say the one thing I still don't totally understand is how faraday meeting desmond outside the hatch door is compliant with the whatever happened happened rule.
Before your videos I always thought the way in which Desmond is special means he is excluded from the whatever happened happened rule (Faraday really does give you this idea by saying the rules dont apply to him this is also why I am kinda thinking daniel does mean he is exempt from WHH)
Now that I watched your stuff on flashes before your eyes and constant I do agree nothing changed though so I am a bit stuck on the hatch encounter now since I don't understand why there is a delay to Desmond remembering this when his consciousness wasn't travelling at that point unlike constant and flashes before your eyes, so he simply saw a guy vanish and didn't remember until later why?
I have a question: if the donkey wheel plus the orchid made them time travel how come the island disappeared to outside spectators ?
He wanted to blow a hole open in the chamber because that was the only way he could access the cave system that led to the wheel. The exotic matter chamber had been built above the wheel and the energy pocket. Putting metallic objects in the chamber created the same effect that you would get if you put metallic objects in a microwave... BOOM!
I understand the science but not the reason or have a clue what happened but my God what a show.
One thing I always always wondered and don't think was explained... Where was MIB during this time and what was he doing. If he's in the cabin how did they get him there and what was he doing before being led or put there!
We know the Man in Black was active during DHARMA times as there are several references to smoke monster activity. Pierre Chang alludes to it in the barracks orientation video in 1973 and Richard mentions to Horace how DHARMA's sonar fence keeps out "certain things" but not them in 1974. How aware MiB was of any of the time travelling at this point is mostly unknowable. It is unlikely he knew about our Losties (or their importance) until they became names on the cave wall.
The cabin wasn't used by either Jacob or the MiB until after The Purge. Remember that Horace would have still been occupying it until his death. We can presume that Jacob and Richard started using it afterwards as a meeting point to discuss island issues. It was surrounded by ash to prevent the MiB from infiltrating the cabin or spying on them. At some point he got someone to break that circle for him and started occupying it of his own volition. Waiting for his "anti-candidate". I explore this in my video on "The Cabin": ruclips.net/video/QyJg1Kam_60/видео.html
The 'whatever happened - happened' leitmotif can be heard throughout the show and your videos. However, I don't agree with this idea regarding this bomb problem. Faraday and the group acted out of lack of crucial information. In other words, they didn't know that the bomb explosion actually caused the future they're living in. But what if they knew about it? Somebody (Richard) could have told them, or they could find Dharma's documents regarding this incident. If it wasn't for them brining the bomb to the digsite, the bomb wouldn't explode. Meaning that all they had to do while they're back in the past, is sit and watch. If they waited long enough, the future would have been changed - which is what Faraday and Jack ultimately wanted.
If it happened, it happened. lol
This is very much like the Oedipus story.
@@d3l3tes00n in this context it's more like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Faraday's actions in the past resulted in the events we observed, which led Faraday to his plan to detonate the bomb. If he knew that the explosion he caused in the past would result in the building of the Swan, he wouldn't come up with his plan.
@@ggeerrppeess Yeah exactly.. you do everything to try & stop something, but by doing that, you make it happen.
This is true and even Miles pointed that out to them. "Didn't you ever stop to think that by trying to stop this event from happening, you are ultimately going to cause it?". That's because after 3 years in Ann Arbor, Faraday felt that if he were to focus on the variable instead of the constant...then he could change the "Whatever happened, happened". He was wrong (though if Jack did do nothing, there would be no future. Dharma would have drilled into the pocket and destroyed the island and the world). Damon said in a recent interview that the story of season 5 with Jughead is his version ot the tale "Appointment in Samarra". The story goes like this:
"There was a merchant in Bagdad who sent his servant to market to buy provisions and in a little while the servant came back, white and trembling, and said, "Master, just now when I was in the marketplace I was jostled by a woman in the crowd and when I turned I saw it was Death that jostled me. She looked at me and made a threatening gesture, now, lend me your horse, and I will ride away from this city and avoid my fate. I will go to Samarra tonight and there Death will not find me". The merchant lent him his horse, and the servant mounted it, and he dug his spurs in its flanks and as fast as the horse could gallop he went. Then the merchant went down to the marketplace and he saw Death standing in the crowd and he came to Death and said, Why did you make a threating getsture to my servant when you saw him this morning? Death replied: "That was not a threatening gesture, it was only a start of surprise. I was astonished to see him in Bagdad, for I had an appointment with him tonight in Samarra".
@@drakenfistgood stuff
Wait so Egyptians dug from the location of rope but where did they get the wheel? It wasn't down there at the time, and how was mib there at the time when wasn't even born?
They re-built the wheel as instructed by the Man in Black. He was influencing them because he wanted to complete his experiment to see if he could still leave the island. Obviously, it didn't work, but completing the wheel and redirecting the flow of energy around the island is likely what caused "the ancient incident". Watch my video on The Egyptians for more context on all this: ruclips.net/video/7y_Adm2F8f8/видео.html
As for how was MiB down in the chamber in a time before it was built... I assume you mean when he appears to Locke as Christian? The chamber exists in its own pocket of time. When Locke falls into that chamber, he is in 2007, as evidenced by Christian's knowledge and instructions. I explain this in my video on The Cabin: ruclips.net/video/QyJg1Kam_60/видео.html
Does anyone else get major Mark Felton vibes from these videos?
The historian RUclipsr? That’s a very flattering comparison!
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108That's the one. Super detailed research and insight.
15:54, have the hieroglyphs ever been explained, or are they just for upping the tension?
They have been translated over the years. My assessment of the hieroglyphs is included in my video on The Egyptians, which explains that probable backstory here: ruclips.net/video/7y_Adm2F8f8/видео.html
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 I don't mean the ones on the statue, sorry. Look at the time countdown at the timestamp. After zeroing down, the numbers switch to hieroglyphs.
Yes, the hieroglyphs on the hatch timer have been translated to mean: "Underworld." Which is essentially what the hatch is a doorway to in many respects. It's DHARMA's homage to the Egyptians who figured out a lot of the island's secrets way, way before they ever did.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Thank you!
JH Detonated.
Stupid light could have sent people to safety instead of letting everyone there die except for the 4? That flew off in that last airplane
The light is restricted by the physics of whatever happened, happened.
Top 10
I wonder if you'll ever consider doing lost alternate history like what if scenarios
I have a question. But first a few facts. Widmore was aware of the time travel incident most likely since a young age. Widmore also was aware that one of the time travelers is going to be his son and that he is going to die during the time travel. He also knew that there are gonna be a few 815 survivors with him but not his hit squad that he send to the island along with his son. Widmore knew how the donkey wheel works and also knew where the person that uses it gets transported to (maybe that's how he left the island to concept Penny?) since he had watched the place. Considering that the question is wasn't he quite aware that his hit squad is not going to success to kidnap Ben and transport him out of the island even before sending them there? Wasn't the true goal to scare Ben out of the island and make him use the donkey wheel just to get the revenge on him for banishing Widmore out of the island? Both gentlemen didn't try kill each other, they had multiple opportunities to do so if they wanted. They just seemed to play a game with some rules. At the end Ben shot Widmore but it was for the greater good of the island and most likely Widmore was aware of that reason is his last seconds. The worst thing that could happen was MiB forcing Widmore to share his knowledge which could result in him destroying the island.
I always thought it did did it not?
Yes, it did. And I explain how and why in the video. There has always been a bit of debate around whether it did or didn’t but there is a lot of indisputable evidence that supports Jughead detonating. It is fascinating how some parts of the show still get fiercely debated to this day.
I can't remember if this was ever mentioned or not, but another viewer brought up the fact that Sun didn't go back in time with the rest of the group on the Ajira flight. Was that ever explained? I know Jacob had written "Kwon" on the cave wall, but he never specified which one or if it even mattered. I think he even told our group that either was fine.
Some people say this is a big plot hole, but I've actually never questioned it.
Being a candidate was unrelated to whether or not people travelled through time. There were plenty of time travellers from the Oceanic 815 group who weren't candidates that went back with Team Sawyer at the start of season five. Because, like those on Ajira, only the people predestined to go back in time actually do so. In terms of the linear flow of time, Sun never appeared in the past of 1977, so therefore she did not travel with Team Jack through the time flash in 2007.
As for "Kwon" written in the cave, Jacob does indeed confirm that it represented both Jin and Sun. They were jointly candidate 42. In 'What They Died For', Kate directly asks Jacob: "Sun and Jin Kwon and Sayid Jarrah, you wrote their names on the wall?" And Jacob responds: "Yes." We also see Jacob touch both Sun and Jin at the same time, which follows Jin telling Sun that being apart from her would be like the earth being apart from the sky. In other words, their bond is so deep that he sees them as being one. Hence, why when she dies, he dies with her. Jacob touched them both to act as a unit in the role of protector.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Thank you! This makes a lot of sense.
True or false lost is the most confusing show of all time or to 10
Why were there even button men? Couldn’t a computer script handle this and avoid traumatizing a pair of men? And reduce the risk of a meltdown?
We have to weigh up the scenarios between human error versus automated error. Sure, a simple automated program could do all the work without the need for human supervision. However, all it would take is the computer program to blip a little bit and the world would end. That would have been too risky. At least the two man team could double check and support one another. One person fails to push the button, the other person can correct. We see that happen in the show several times.
If The Swan were built today, it would probably use an automated system *and* human supervision to make sure the time horizons were met and any blips could be quickly identified then rectified. Back in the late 70s, computers were not as reliable as they are today and the technology could not be solely relied upon to do the job. It was safer having rotating teams of button pushers back then. When the time came to upgrade such an analogue system, DHARMA had been wiped out.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108That terminal is basically an Apple II digital computer. The days of unreliable analog computers were basically over. Radzinsky knew what he was doing too, as far as technology goes.. it strikes me as very odd that there was no script to at least serve as a backup. I suppose it would be too inconvenient to the plot
Apple II's had many, many bugs and problems, especially the first generations. A quick google lists the various drawbacks of the technology from the time. The point still stands that DHARMA could not rely upon a computer from 1977 to be fully automated without there being issues.
Also, Radzinsky built a closed system that he had full control over because he was a paranoid control freak and his goal was to study the properties and effects of the electromagnetism as much as it was to contain it. He could have programmed a back-up script in the early days, but that would still have needed upkeep/refreshing as the years went on. After he died, there would have been no one left with the knowledge base to do that down there. And still, even with a back-up script in place, all it would take is for a power outage or a generator failure to kill or reset the whole system. Automation remains unreliable in this context.
So, I don't think this is about plot inconvenience. The plot logic here is sound. This is more about modern viewers used to modern technology looking back at old technology and holding it to the same standards of reliability. Even in 2005 (when The Swan was first introduced to us) computing technology wasn't anywhere as reliable as it is right now. I wouldn't trust any computer that was tasked with preventing the world from ending to rely on automation or some back-up script. I want human beings monitoring it 24/7.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108true, I would want that even today. Fair enough. I guess I wasn’t thinking about the stakes of the button since the key backup renders the whole thing inert, but they weren’t sure that would work or if it would kill the guy turning the key. So with those stakes in mind I suppose you’d park two bozos down there and hope they don’t kill each other 😂
LOL, yes exactly. DHARMA did almost cause the end of the world with the incident and made a lot of bad calls, so they weren't exactly the brightest lights in the night sky.
RE: keying in the numbers - But why trust such an important action to humans? There is a computer there, so why not just write a simple program to automatically key that sequence every 108 minutes per a basic timer routine?
First of all, we have to weigh up the scenarios involving human error versus automated error.
Human error can happen in many different ways -- as we see actually happen in the show on various occasions. However, it can be monitored, double checked and corrected because there is always supposed to be a team of two entering the numbers at all times. That was the original system and it was ultimately effective, at least when DHARMA was still around to ensure that such a system continues.
As for automated error, aka letting the computer automatically enter the numbers, by its very definition would not necessitate the need for constant human supervision. As you say, a simple program could do all the work. However, all it would take is the computer program to blip a little bit and the world would end. That would have been too risky.
If the hatch were built today, it would probably use an automated system AND human supervision to make sure the time horizons were met and any blips could be quickly identified and corrected. Back in the late 70s, computers were not as reliable as they are today and the technology could not be solely relied upon to do the job. It was safer having rotating teams of button pushers back then. When the time came to upgrade such an analogue system, DHARMA had been wiped out.
Also, what would the people stationed at the Pearl observe and record then?
Sooo good
How did the island not get exploded after that? And Before making the Hatch, Earth was fine so why make a hatch in which if button is not pressed it'll Destroy thr world
The Earth was fine until DHARMA started drilling into it to get to the light. By doing this, they caused an incident that threatened the stability of the energy (which could end the world) hence why they had to plug the leak with concrete and build the station with the computer to discharge the energy's build-up. This video explains all of this in detail.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 so the bomb did expload right, wouldn't that destroy the Island?
Yes, the bomb exploded. I explain why it didn't blow up the whole island in the video at this timecode here: ruclips.net/video/gdWERJIjyQE/видео.html
From the Ajira flight why was only Jack, Kate, Sayid and Hurley transported to the past??
What about Sun
What about Ben
Why just them
And it didn't really make sense how they just disappeared from a plane selectively
Because only the people predestined to go back in time from the Ajira flight did so. In terms of the linear flow time, Sun never appeared in the past of 1977, so therefore she did not travel with the others through the time flash. The same applies to adult Ben. It wasn't that it was randomly selective, it was predestined. Only the people who appeared in 1977 travelled back to that time. Because it already happened.
your videos are great but it sound like you time travelled to the 70s to record the audio
It’s a text to speech voice. I’ve been recording with my real voice for the past year and a half now. Basically the latest 11 videos on the channel all use my voice, better audio and higher quality footage. All of these old videos have been more or less remade. Try checking out the newer ‘Theory of Everything’ series on here, starting with The Origins of The Island. 👍
Do you think that some one should make a reboot of lost?
I don't think any reboot could recapture the lightning in the bottle of the original series. However, if they were going to reboot the property no matter what, I have some ideas for that in my video on "What Happened After the End?" involving the next generation of Losties. It's not something I am hoping for, but it's a way that I think a reboot could work.
Any updates to your next video?
I am currently aiming to release a new video every month, my time and schedule permitting. The next video should come before Christmas :)
Where the characters aware that detonating the hydrogen bomb could have the effects doing so normally would, i.e. killing everyone on the Island, or did they just think it would negate the pocket of energy? Coz it's the difference between them just waiting to undo the future and change their past, and commiting genocide 😅
Faraday's says the bomb will "negate" the energy and offers up a journal with specific instructions on how that will work. The plan was never to blow up the island. Again this is a misconception/misunderstanding perpetuated by that "LOST takedown" video series you have mentioned previously. If the mission were to blow up the island then there would have been no need to drop it down at the Swan site. They could have just detonated it above ground. The point is that the two forces would cancel each other out and cause an implosion underground. The above video does explain that process.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 yeah that is what I thought, but who knows what the consequences could actually have been? I mean if the plan didn't work then that would've happened
The characters do acknowledge that possibility. It's part of the high stakes to their solution. But you have to see it from the POV of Jack and the Losties. By the time that the bomb goes off, all of the families have been evacuated. The only people remaining on the island are hostile to our Oceanic group in some way, shape or form. The Others are still their long-term enemies. DHARMA are trying to hunt them down and execute them. The Island being destroyed, even by accident, is an acceptable outcome if it changes the timeline (which it would). But they obviously wish to preserve lives by detonating Jughead underground and to stop the building of the hatch. This is why Eloise agrees to the plan.
When a hydrogen bomb explodes does it cause the sky to go violet?
That only happened when the pocket of energy beneath the Swan was destroyed and the remaining electromagnetism was released into the atmosphere, as we saw happen at the end of season two. It’s possible that a blast of light was released after Juliet detonated Jughead. We know its reaction with the pocket released a burst of electromagnetic energy from below. And that this flash of light is what Richard saw before our Losties disappeared, hence why he thought they all died. Aka he thought they were all vaporised.
you assume there was a certain amount of time without problems because of the age of the computer. that is a logical fallacy. it is more likely the problem has existed since that moment of the bomb and they used a *differnet* solution (maybe something more hands on), before building that computer system. it's a better, more convenient process, but also very specific. this is not the first solution you come up with, but a longer thoughtout process as you realize you'll have to keep doing this for a long time and improve on whatever temporary solution you had. through troubleshooting they developed the computer method, and thats what endured so it is what we find. temporary measures and the path to get to the elegant procedure rarely get mentioned so there would no evidence of it
I assume that there was a certain amount of time without electromagnetic problems not because of the build of the computer but because it takes a long time to build an entire operational station like The Swan. Think of how long the construction would have taken. You can’t build something of that size and complexity while there are earthquakes going on underneath it. That’s not a logical fallacy. That’s just logic.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 which is based on the assumption that the only way to stop tremors is through the computer. but then how is the station build *around* the computer and reactor? without tremors there would be no need to come up with the computer. and the station does not seem like it was retrofitted later.
More likely remors and/or other effects started again during the construction, which would force them to stop. They tested until they found a temporary solution (probably rather inconvenient and imperfect but enough to continue). would tweak and improve it until they developed the reactor method, which is when the building plans were adapted around that central feature. the temporary solution was good enough to finish building, and upon completion replaced with the computer. it was the final solution, but there were likely a first draft and a second, a trial and error period before they got to that point, the elegant solution with the least side effects.
it seems strange to me that for years the discharge would be so precise and constant, but have a years long gap. if it built up slowly and got worse, you'd see a shortening of that time frame but we dont. it stayed the same interval. my understanding is that while the bomb was necessary to prevent worse, the damage of the source was done and could not be fixed, just stopped from getting worse. from that moment forward energy would build up at a steady pace, and stay stable if managed. not years later but from then on constantly, keeping the same amount of energy release/time interval. trying to prevent the station from being build let to the incident that made the station necessary, which lines up with the theme of time paradoxes
That’s a whole lot of assumptions you just made! 😆 The truth is that there is no way we can be sure exactly what happened post-Jughead detonation beyond a few core timeline factors that were established. The rest is using common sense logic based upon what we saw.
We know that Jughead bought DHARMA enough time to complete the station because the station got built and you can’t errect a structure made from various metals if the leak is active. Why? Because anything remotely magnetic gets contorted and sucked downwards. Which means the leak had to be temporarily sealed during that time.
We know that the method for sealing the leak was concrete because there was concrete poured at the foundations, as we see Jack and Sayid down there exploring and commenting on it. Which indicates DHARMA poured concrete down the drill site’s hole before doing anything else. They would have started construction with that very same area below the station because that is how anything gets built - from the ground up.
We know that they also installed the fail-safe platform and the electromagnetic reactor at the foundation level so they could blow up the anomaly if they had to. They knew exactly where to position these devices over because the hole Radzinsky drilled gave them the precise depth and diameter of the leak. As long as that entire area was secured then they could build the rest of the station above and around it. The station is way bigger than that hole from 1977. So all they needed to do was install the heart of the station at the bottom of that dig site then build out from there.
We know that there is also another room above all this - the doorway near the rear hatch entrance also sealed with concrete - that is depicted as having been closed off on the blast door map. This is known as “The Incident Room”. Part of the core of the station. In the officially licensed (although non-canon) computer game Via Domus, there is a depiction of what that room might have looked like, which I share in this video. It gives us a view of the reactor. Some fans believe that there was a second incident that occurred in there, forcing the room to be walled off.
We know that the computer/button is wired up to something behind that concrete anyway. Because it is discharging the buildup every time it is pressed, which means whatever DHARMA built over the dig site is absorbing the leak into itself so that it can be discharged. Then we have the computer itself and the orientation video giving us the year 1980, which is three years after the original incident.
All of this allows us to deduce a rough series of events and probabilities. It takes a long time to build a station. You cannot build it if the leak is active during that time since anything remotely magnetic gets pulled down. Concrete is an effective plug and forms the foundation. A reactor is installed over the initial dig site. The Swan is built around that core. Something happened between then and 1980 - either the leak returned suddenly or gradually - but the system was already in place. The orientation film is made in 1980 to explain how the process works. The rest is down to our imaginations but doesn’t really matter for the purposes of the narrative.
so if they cant change the future how did detonating the bomb save the island? if they cant change the future the island must have always been saved. Its a catch 22 - doesnt make any sense
It’s a causality time loop, also known as a bootstrap paradox, in which the causality is cyclical. These are always full of Catch 22s - which happens to be the name of a Desmond episode BTW. The bomb stops the incident from growing any bigger and destroying The Island. But that in turn buys enough time for The Swan to be built and the button system to be implemented. Which will lead to the crash of Oceanic 815 in 2004, bringing the time travellers to The Island so they can go back in time and stop the incident from destroying the planet. So, it absolutely does make sense and the logic is self consistent. This is simply the nature of deterministic time travel and can be seen across multiple time travel stories. It’s exact same logic used in The Terminator with how John Connor is conceived. Skynet rises to destroy humanity. A human resistance fights back led by John Connor. Skynet sends a terminator back in time to kill John Connor’s mother. John sends his soldier Kyle Reese back in time to protect her. Kyle and Sarah fall in love and sleep together, making Sarah pregnant with John. Kyle dies. The terminator is destroyed. Sarah gives birth to John, who will go on to become the resistance leader and send his father back in time while the remains of the destroyed terminator will be recovered and used to create the technology that will become Skynet. The whole thing is a causality loop. Classic time travel stuff!
Dan told them to bury the bomb then later to explode it which is what Juliet did.... The bomb returned them to to 2007 and also created the Sideways Flashes.. Nothing you can tell me that will change my mind. The bomb DID explode
Yes, the bomb DID explode, we can agree on that. But it DID NOT create the flash sideways. My previous FAQ video on "Were They Dead the Whole Time' explains why this is a widespread misconception: ruclips.net/video/lz7Vs-ZnBGM/видео.html
The flash sideways wasn't created by the bomb.
@@qwertymanor I agree with you. It created an alternative timeline where they could find each other by purging themselves of the question "What if the plane didn't crash?" That's what they wanted to know and that's what they got but it also kept the original timeline so I disagree wit the makers of this video. There's one thing they've forgotten, when Miles got through from dead Juliet: "It worked."
@@RustyViewer The sideways reality is unrelated to Jughead's detonation. It's the afterlife not an alternate timeline and this is clearly stated in the series finale. Jack says that he died and that everyone in the church are dead too. The sideways is a fourth dimensional construct that exists outside of our linear perceptions of time and space. We can view that as meaning that the sideways is happening after all of human existence has come to an end on earth, i.e., everyone has already died. We all go there in death to reunite with our soulmates. It exists beyond time. The reason why Juliet's last thought is "It worked" in 'LA X' has nothing to do with changing the timeline. She says this exact phrase in the sideways in the series finale to Sawyer when he gets the candy bar out of the vending machine. She says: "It worked." Then she says "We should get coffee sometime. We can go dutch." These are the same words she said to Sawyer as she laid dying in his arms. Watch those scenes again back-to-back and it will become clear. As Juliet was dying on The Island, her mind was entering the afterlife of the sideways and experiencing that moment with Sawyer at the vending machine. It's why she is smiling. And this is what Miles read from her dead body.
Jeez, these robotic-voiced videos are offputting!
I stopped using the text-to-speech voice over a year ago. Check out the latest 12 videos on the channel. They all use my real voice.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Awesome. i recently watched season 6 because I watched one of your new videos after yt recommended. I actually got a ton of insight I didn't have before!
Every time I have started playing the next video I've crossed fingers that it wont be the robot voice.
Regardless: Good stuff and thanks for the deep dives!
this series has a serious problem with physics of electromagnetism mixing it up with nuclear power and some kind of mysterious energy which could do wonders.
makes me everytime cringe.
i wish they had gone with subatomic particle physics or quantum physics. those still dont have the properties they show in the series but for normal folks those are mysterious enough to be somewhat plausible.
brain time travel somewhat could ve been explained by quantum entanglement for example.
The energy is electromagnetic in nature but not simply just electromagnetism. That is just DHARMA's way of understanding the light's properties. We are never fully told what it actually is. Therein lies the wriggle room for interpretation. Not sure if you've watched previous videos of mine that explain the light, but the mind travel, the healing and so-called island "magic" are explainable in terms of the show's mix of real science and pseudo-science. I think the show made it pretty clear from the start that we had left behind real world plausibility. People surviving that plane crash and a previously paralyzed man being able to walk again tip us off early.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 na i am just watching season 3 again and scratching my head... a lot.
idk. they tried to seal of electromag. radiation with concrete... won't work. fine for nuclear though
Yeah, but the concrete didn't actually stop the leak. It only reduced its severity for a temporary amount of time. They had to build the reactor to discharge the build-up. The atmospheric radiation was still there following the fallout in 1977, hence the pregnancy problems for the next few decades. Like I said, the light is not just electromagnetism, it's an elemental force. It's admittedly pseudo-science but there is an internal logic to how it works in the story. Warp drive and "the force" don't exist either, but we don't hold Star Trek and Star Wars to the fire over that. It's science fiction with an emphasis on the fiction.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Where did they get the 108 minutes from? Why a static number? Couldn't the build up time vary each time? And why use certain numbers adding up to 108 in a computer to trigger a reset? Why not just type in 108? What if they typed in 300, would that mean it reset to 300 minutes? If they made the time reset longer (say put in 2000) , couldn't they actually get more sleep?
@@RustyViewer First of all, DHARMA did not choose 108 minutes as the reset time. That was just the amount of time that it naturally took for the electromagnetic leak beneath The Swan to build-up to critical mass. DHARMA had no choice in that. The building energy was being channelled into some kind of reactor that was connected to the computer and the button discharged the build-up. 108 minutes was the maximum amount of time it took for this anomaly to reach a dischargeable level.
Secondly, if you add up the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42 together you get... 108 as the total. Which means even the natural timing of that electromagnetic build-up was related to the numbers and fate. Everything happened for a reason and everything meant something.
These are nice theories. I'll take the word of Damon, Carlton and JJ though...where are their explanations?
Some of my videos aren't theories, they're demonstrably proven on the show itself. This video is a good example of that.
Most of what I am doing is simply unpacking what was presented in the story or connecting dots that were both intentionally and unintentionally left in the narrative. Damon and Carlton have gone on record as saying that they want the show "to speak for itself", and I think a lot of it does. However, six seasons of complicated mythology (and retcons and narrative detours) can be hard for the average viewer to untangle and make sense of. That's where I come in!
You can find Damon and Carlton speaking about some of the mysteries online (you can easily Google various articles, podcasts, interviews, etc online), but they are often enigmatic in their answering of lingering questions; there are only so many things they outright confirmed or denied. I sometimes use their quotes when I need to back-up certain facts or interpretations. But they did tease a lot. Whereas JJ Abrams had no real involvement as a creative force with the series past the Pilot, so he wouldn't be able to answer much about the show anyway.
Anyway, the point of this channel is to take canon information from the show, occasional confirmations from the creators, and extrapolate when necessary on the more ambiguous elements that were intentionally left open. 70% of the channel is simply unpicking the actual narrative to explain the show in its totality, while the other 30% provides my own theory crafting to fill in the gaps.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 my only issue is this, did the bomb detonate because if so, no one anywhere near it would've survived.
I answer that question in this very video you’re commenting on. I explain how the bomb detonated and why it didn’t destroy the island. Try watching from 2:52 for more info.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Good explanation and I really appreciate all of your work. I wish that the show itself would have included more of that 30% that you are providing us. I feel like in the first Four Seasons of the show there was so much of the mystery that they weren't helping the audience untangle that the Intricacies of the narrative are not appreciated by most viewers. Like the show that you are describing in your videos is way better in my mind than the actual show that I watched because I understood so little of this during the actual viewing. Maybe that's my shortcoming but I feel like it's theirs.
Ok, but how does Jughead prevent an electromagnetic anomaly and how does Juliet not die when a nuke blows up in her face?
When Juliet hit the bomb, at the point of detonation, our Losties are transported back to the present day instantaneously. That precise moment of detonation -- when the chain reaction ignites -- is when our Losties blip out of 1977 and back into 2007. It's like a jumpcut in time for them. We are talking micro-seconds here.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 A shows a show and all - Lost does a lot of things right, but I do find this a particularly troublesome point. Never before was a time jump so specific, and its weird that the bomb causes it in the first place - note I'm not saying it doesn't though. My bigger point of contention is that if they got transported instantaneously, Kate wouldn't hear the sound of the bomb. Gamma radiation travels faster than sound, meaning if everyone heard the bomb, they would also be irradiated. To be fair, the island should be able to heal any cancer it gives them, and they wouldn't die instantaneously, the heat from the radiation wouldn't have time to disperse (at least for those above ground), and the shockwave wouldn't reach them either, but its a horrifying knives edge and definitely a stretch.
Can’t stand this robotic text to speech. Absolute aids to my ears
There’s a cure for your aids. I’ve remade, revoiced and recompiled all of these old videos. Been using my own voice for two years now. You can watch this entire series of explainers in one bumper playlist here: LOST EXPLAINED - The Theory of Everything
ruclips.net/p/PL5iTj9psbPrNovFOg4pJJIyxiLAv2WAKB
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 thank you my aids is in remission. I have been watching these videos though, they’re a bit long though. I liked the idea of these 20min explainers
Lol, well I guess you can’t have everything! That said, you don’t have to do the big videos all in one go. There are chapter breaks in each one to partition the information by subject matter, so you could just use those chapter breaks as natural break points for yourself. Watch the videos piecemeal in whatever way best suits your viewing habits. There are some shorter videos that I used my actual voice for in the FAQ section starting with my analysis on the Pregnancy Crisis - basically any videos after that all feature my own real voice narrating so you can find some shorter vids there too.
Thank you for this video!
I find it very articulate, solid and convincing.
It helped me to form a clearer picture of what happened after Juliet hit Jughead.