RED's Fantastic Super 35 8K 120p Cinema Camera!!
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2024
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Chapters:
Intro - 00:00
What's the difference between the V-RAPTOR? - 00:16
Sensor Size - 00:53
High Frame Rate - 02:15
Rolling Shutter - 03:10
Detail - 03:39
Colour - 04:11
Latitude - 04:45
Noise - 06:02
Pre-Record - 06:44
RHINO Limited Edition - 07:10
Conclusion - 07:21
Filming With The New RED RHINO in 8K 120P RAW!!
#reddigitalcinema #cinemacamera #8K 
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We film wildlife and we have 2 Red Helium (last generation) and one Red Raptor. The benefits with the Rhino vs Helium are really several things
- Double slow motion. Incredibly useful with 120fps in 8k.
- You can punch in while filming to check your focus
- Better pre record technology that is more stable
- Tons of other things like better wifi support
- Support for RF lenses
Fun Fact: RED got their name because thats the colour your spouse is when they find the bill
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The name was a prediction for how they see, once Nikon entered a lawsuit battle with them.
lol
It was named after Jim Jannards dog, just like Oakley was as well. He loved his Irish Setters
The new regular black version is available and is a lower price to the RHINO version, link's to it here! - buff.ly/404mWRg
We really enjoyed our time using the S35 RAPTOR but let us know what you think of it down below!
Is the canon focal reducer applicable to the v-raptor s-35?
URSA 12K has been doing S35 8K 120 RAW for a while now :)
it's not really RAW, just wanted to mention that. ;)
@@fernandoxxd Yeah the only reason for that is due to patents. It would be great if RED didn't' play the patent game and let other camera makers do in camera raw video. They literally patented "one claimed method relates to guiding light onto a light-sensitive device of a camera, converting the light into raw digital mosaiced image data having a horizontal resolution of at least 2k at a rate of greater than 23 per second, compressing the mosaiced image data such that it remains substantially visually lossless upon decompression and recording that compressed digital mosaiced image data at a rate of at least 23 frames per second onto a storage device of the camera”. It's so general and stifles innovation for everyone.
@@DiegoCauliflower That's right, as BMD cameras partially debayer the image data before writing the file. This allows BMD cameras to bypass the RED BS and be more file-size-efficient while still retaining the ability to extensively adjust ISO and WB in post.
@@TimTylerCine As someone who has used both red and bm, dude bm is not really raw. Its like raw Lite. Reds raw is inscredible, you can do ANYTHING to the image in post.
very impressive camera for sure! great video
It's awesome and thanks for watching Jason! Jake
I like how they could still dump all of that camera with all the AC side buttons while still keepin' that cube design.
A comparison between the Red Rhino and Ursa 12k would be fun.
Interesting
I came here just to say this. Very fun!
Great video, Jake! Just a side note.
"In low light, I wouldn't push the camera really above 3200 to 6400 ISO. Above that you are going to get some really noisy images".
I find this statement to be a little deceptive, since ISO is only recorded as metadata in the .R3D file. This means it only impacts our approach to exposure, but not the amount of noise in the image. Other than that, awesome job as usual!
I’ve also got the rhino and am enjoying it. Great for wildlife and nature shoots- frame rates make it so fun!
Love the birds sliding on the ice 😂😂
CVP
Can you do a camera comparison between the Rhino s35, Canon C300 iii/C70, & Ursa 12k.
I was going to buy a Red until I found out how they play in the sandbox with other camera manufacturers. I'll wait on the Canon C700ff or the Panasonic S1Hm2
Imagine if they made it a 4K sensor. I understand RED’s love for resolution, but with these new bodies they could have 4K 240fps with no crop. People would love that. I know I sure would!
You do realize why oversampling at a higher resolution to produce a clean 4K image right? A straight 4K Bayer sensor won’t produce a 4K image, RED tells you what you are starting with, Panasonic and others start at 5.6K to produce a 4K image. It’s NOT because RED has an irrational love for resolution, it’s the properties of dealing with. Bayer Pattern Sensor.
@@RUclips_can_ESAD and you do realize that RED doesn’t oversample their images, right? It’s raw data, not processed. I know how a Bayer sensor works, and that it wouldn’t be a “true” 4K image unless it was 8K. Most camera sensors don’t produce a true 4K image. Point is, you could get a fantastic image with high frame rates and lower noise at that resolution.
@@Dan737MASTER Not sure if RED would do this because in the case of this camera, to get 4k240, you have to crop down to a Micro 4/3 sensor size. Which would mean that RED would have to release a Micro 4/3 camera, which I don't see them doing. Super 35 is the lowest they will go. The Raven was kind of in-between Super 35 and Micro 4/3, but I doubt they'd release a similar camera like that again, there just isn't a market for it. Micro 4/3 is pretty much dead outside of drones and maybe future action cameras. I owned the Panasonic GH6 which was probably the most Panasonic would ever push out of that sensor size and was really underwhelmed by the image quality.
@@DynamicPhil84 that’s why they would have to make a new sensor with a different pixel pitch, similar to the Gemini. I don’t think it will ever happen unfortunately, but I can dream!
I really really hope they do a GEMINI sensor RAPTOR at some point!! Jake
Another amazing review. Thanks guys!
Didn’t URSA 12k do all that back when it came out w no crop too?
very engaging 9mins of the the Raw 8K new Red Raptor would love to use it sometime Thanks CVP.
URSA Mini 12K 8K120p S35 is still the most underestimated Camera on the Market
I got excited for a second. The title says S35 but I thought it said $35. Haha!
Thank You for the review, no 1. channel for camera reviews for me
The goose falling through the ice 😆
I’m a sports videographer. The CM20 combo with this is incredibly exciting
Great for Super 16 glass I reckon!
How would the V-Raptor compare to the FX9? I know the FX9 has a 6K sensor, but it also records 120p 16 bit RAW. Is the V-Raptor worth the $10k extra?
The FX9 is far far overpriced in my opinion. You can never get access to that full 6k resolution, even in RAW it is downsampled to 4k. Plus you need the expensive and over-sized attachment unit that goes on the back of the FX9 in order to output raw, and then that 16 bit raw gets converted to 12 bit ProRes Raw, which is absolutely loathe. I find it to be the least versatile, least functional raw format out there and pales in comparison to RED raw (the best in my opinion), Canon Raw Light, Blackmagic Raw, etc. The FX9 is an overall versatile camera for a lot of different environments, but not if you want to shoot raw.
@@DynamicPhil84 thanks for your detailed and clear answer Phil! I own an FX6 and I’m checking my options to upgrade. But any real upgrade would be a big investment. Like a V-Raptor
@@Colinsan Sure thing! I think the FX6 is a great camera actually, overall it provides almost everything the FX9 can provide except in a smaller form and less expensive. Plus you only need an Atomos recorder to get Pro Res Raw, instead of the bulky overpriced attachment that is necessary for the FX9. What are your needs that the FX6 is currently not providing is the main question you'll want to answer, along with what your budget is.
@@DynamicPhil84 I love the FX6, but not being able to record 4k in S35 just cuts out a lot of cine lens options
@@Colinsan Have you considered the Komodo? It's RED's only "affordable" camera (other than used versions of their older cameras) but I absolutely love the image that it produces. It won't ever come close to the FX6 in terms of low light capability, but if you use fast glass (lenses that shoot at f1.2 or f1.0 for instance) it can totally work in low light. It shoots up to 6K in Super 35, and you can throw on a speedbooster to use full frame lenses and get an extra stop of light. All for the same price as the FX6.
thank god there are english subtitles available in youtube; i have no idea what this guy was saying with that thick accent.
New CVP? Time to drop literally everything I'm doing.
Always always great reviews! I Would 've like to see though the under exposure comparison in a split screen like the over.Are you gonna upload the uncompressed test on vimeo as done with raptor VV? Would love to see a direct comparison helium vs raptor s35, thanks!
Hardly anyone who watched this video would ever in their lives hold such a camera though, despite, I hope to be one of them.
How is the 8K S35 version with a metabones speedbooster? (RF - EF)
We didn't have a speedbooster to test with it but I'm sure it will work well! Jake
Interesting idea! That could result in a really good value setup
Could you please make a video detailing how to build the raptor?
Love your videos! The V-raptor has a S35 crop option that would allow you to use lenses like a CN20 on that camera. Any chance of a side by side comparison between the Rhino S35 and the V-raptor FF in Super 35 crop mode at various frame rates and resolutions to see how different the image quality / reach between those two cameras actually is in those scenarios? I would love to use a CN20 but also have the option to have the FF cinematic feel without having to take a 2nd camera.
What exactly is "the FF cinematic feel"?
Engage the TC and it covers most FF sensors with no vignette
Too bad RUclips compression adds banding to the video, especially dark scenes.
BEAUTIFUL animals
Great content as always. I would ReallY love to see a comparison btw Rhino and Helium 8K S35 cameras.
double the framerate
A niche camera. But an interesting one for sure.
ursa 12k several years ago )))
Hey CVP, will the canon speedbooster work on the V-Raptor S35, to expand the FOV closer to FF, as well as add a stop of light, like it does for the Komodo?
its got an rf mount, so it should work
Can someone explain, to me, the obsession with FF? It's all relative when a lens is S35 on an S35 sensor... vs a FF lens on a FF sensor. What's the advantage... just a bigger sensor? I still love S35 sensors because they pair so well with retro glass over decades.
It's mostly a marketing ploy, though FF does come with a few advantages such as a cleaner image: in theory, it should be a full stop (so at ISO 1600 in FF you should get the same noise level that you'd see at ISO 800 on S35), though that has to be taken with a HUGE pinch of salt as every sensor is its own thing. The only cameras you can 100% see this pattern are the OG Alexa and the Alexa LF, because they use the same sensor (the LF simply use two ALEV III imagers sewn together): from personal experience, you can push the LF's ISO setting a bit further than what you can do with the Alexa. That said, FF mostly exists to force people to buy entirely new kits (not just the cameras, but the lenses): you don't really need it for cinema, save for VFX-heavy work. Arri reaffirmed S35 as the standard for cinema with the Alexa 35 and RED got so scared they pulled out S35 versions of their cameras, which make very little sense especially when it comes to the V-Raptor XL, as that's a machine mostly aimed at the rental market and rental houses would hardly buy two versions of the same camera. Sony at least is being coherent: they embraced FF and they are sticking to it.
Did you get a chance to test the Canon Speed-booster on the S35 V-Raptor😜
Any news if there will be a changeable mount version Jake? A PL mount for use with CN20 would be preferable to an adapter if possible
Hey Phil, I don’t know of anything like that yet, however what I would say is the Strata from KipperTie shown at the beginning is a great option for using PL lenses, it feels like an extension of the body, very robust. It’s NDs are also excellent! Hope you’re well, Jake
@@CVPTV cheers Jake - Would prefer a changeable mount but thanks for the info. I know they opted to with the XL
A camera named Rino is something I'd buy
Great review as always! So the VV version will perform best in low light but in your opinion is the Rhino / S35 Raptor still manageable in low(ish) light scenarios especially compared to the Komodo?
Thanks Nick! Yeah the VV is the best then the S35 then the KOMODO when it comes to lower light shooting and it's defiantly manageable! Jake
Nothing better than 500GB per minute 😊
are there drawbacks to using a global shutter? it seems bizarre that the higher end RED cameras wouldn't have that feature.
I suggest checking this out - www.red.com/red-101/global-rolling-shutter
@@CVPTV very useful thank you
@@CVPTV but still doesn't explain why they would do away with the global shutter for the raptor/rhino
dynamic range and high iso performance.
What’s your export setting in Davinci Resolve
Go Nikon! I hope they win the copyright dispute and get Red's fraudulent patent on the concept of image compression thrown out.
Dream Camera!!!
Which one of these would be best for a point and shoot. I have no camara experience, and im just trying to shoot my son's soccer game. He's 9
the 12k Bmc really wins
Do the file sizes differ from the VV Raptor?
Thanks!!
Link for ordering is not working
Should be working now! Jake
I bought an s23ultra great steal btw
You need a Rigfoot on that Canon supertele ;)
Aaah now I see why you don’t compare these to the Blackmagic 12k. It’s a giant ad for your company
ursa 12k ftw
I'm blown away by this footage. Red has really done it again!!! How is it that a higher resolution - i.e. smaller pixel size - S35 sensor can perform better in low light than the Komodo which has larger pixels??? This is kind of mindblowing! Or is the Komodo just a really bad low light camera?
the komodo has global shutter…
@@marcsmission Does that impact it's low light performance?
Pixel size does not have nearly the effect on low light performance that people have been convinced to believe. Total imaging area (sensor size) and the technology behind the manufacturing of the sensor are FAR more important.
@@TechnoBabble really? Then why is it almost always the case that a 4K full frame sensor is going to perform better in low light than an 8K full frame sensor? So you're saying larger pixels does not necessarily mean more light? I'm confused as to why this would be the case. It just seems intuitive that a larger pixel would allow for more light intake than a smaller pixel.
@@DynamicPhil84 Sensors with Global shutter, capture all pixels in one take. This introduces electromagnetic noise because one pixel gives noise to the next one. So CMOS uses curtain shutter that fires up only a single line of pixels. So you get reduced noise, but it can suffer from horizontal noise banding due to the scanning procedure, as well as from the known rolling shutter effect. If we even had single pixel with slow capture, the rolling shutter would be an absurd diagonal mess, but noise would be extremely low. That would be awesome for static or slightly moving subjects, but catastrophic for others. Guess they could develop other techniques like wave, cyclic, or mirrored shutters that divide the image in two parts, thus reducing rolling shutter and noise, but introducing shapes in the rolling shutter defects.
Damn, that footage looks insane. I've never had a chance to work with a camera like that and I wonder how would that raptor handle extreme weather, seems like big air intake wouldn't appreciate beach environment or lots of moisture (someone could say no camera would like that but I've been filming kitesurfing in very strong winds with sony mirrorless for 3 years and they are somehow still alive)
Those mirrorless could really be surviving off that minimal vent exposure. Weather sealing ftw tho
@@0verRot but RED says their cameras are not weather sealed, they say they have some protection in crucial places but they don't call it dust and water resistant, I wonder what does it translate in practice, I see bunch of people using Raptors in professional surfing, but I imagine its easy to shield from wind in these scenarios (most of the time), and I see Komodos in kiting. Maybe given the depreciation coming fro such extreme use case it's better to go with Ursa 12k. Just the form factor doesn't resonate with me at all. And I wonder if there's some argument for raptor over Ursa quality wise
Do yall ship to the US??
Looking for a telephoto lens support system, like the one we see at 00:16 - I doubt anyone knows what they're using here?
I would NOT recommend the setup we used to anyone! Drop us an email and we can point you in the right direction. demo@cvp.com
I heard that red cameras don't have auto focus, is that true ??...
No they do. On DSMC2 it was pretty basic. On DSMC3 aka RAPTOR and KOMODO, it’s a massive step up. Not quite as complex and reliable as Canon, Sony or Panasonic, but defo usable in a lot of situations. Jake
What SmallHD monitor was used on the Red during this video?
It was using this one - cvp.com/product/red-730-0029-dsmc3-touch-monitor
Please talme whomuc prices
Can you at least link the test footage to see them 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Poor little Komodo being compared to cameras 4x more expensive haha! Still wouldn't trade mine for anything else (cause I can't afford the others lol)
At least like and subscription for this effort .. thank you
It would be great if RED didn't' play the patent game and let other camera makers do in camera raw video.
literally left a DPR video on R6ii to watch this
What an amazing camera, probably would never use a red again though because of their patent trolling
A patent is how you do something; not that you do it.. so it’s completely bullshit and unethical so I’m with you. I won’t be watching films made with Red cameras.
@@robmcd then you should boycott anything with patents as that's the basis of the concept of intellectual property and there's no hope
@@zebius4157 that would be incorrect
@@robmcd in an ideal world, patents would be how you described them but in practice, they're just yet another way corporations can fuck over everyone with government approval to protect their bottom line, such is the market
@@zebius4157 in an Australian federal court that patent would be cancelled.
Wondering where to edit that much data in ??🤔
What do you mean sorry?
Are you asking which NLE can handle the data? More the capability of the computer on which the NLE is installed?
Sue every other company so you makes the best camera huh
just hold the entire industry back
RED RHINO?
What would you like to know?
meanwhile ursa mini 12k *exists* The value with red cameras in my opinion just isn't there for me personally. I own all my gear and Blackmagic is just better for the price and how smoothly it works with davinci is incredible
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Idk but this "crop in when changing to higher framerate" is so 1995.
yet still used in cinema 😜
@@zKMotion sure! For good reason but i can't get over that🥳
The only way to get higher framerates than the full sensor readout speed or data transfer speed limit internally with sensor readout to memory allows, without introducing artifacts like moire or aliasing from binning/line-skipping, is by cropping in (or switching readout modes if it has multiple, see C300 III). This will always be the case.
@@TechnoBabble or just include faster memory and processing in a 20 thousand dollar camera.
How about the DRAGON!!!
What about DRAGON?
@@CVPTV Why didn't you add it , it's an awsome sensor for the price!!
It is and we looked at it recently, but we didn't have one for this test I'm afraid! Jake
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Love to see you here ✊🏾
these rolling shutter tests are making sick. Litterally. You should warn people
Great images, scammy company.
Who’s scammy?
@@CVPTV I think they’re referring to RED. Because of their ridiculous raw patent and stifling the camera industry as a whole
Looking forward to2028 and them getting overtaken by the competition shortly thereafter.
@@_juanchamorrowould never buy any Red product because of how they run their business.
@@CVPTV this pretending to not know anything is straight up BS.
I can’t support a company that goes around suing people. I don’t even want to watch films made with it.
Oh noes, capitalism. Also, really? That's how terminally online you're gonna show yourself to be? abstinence like lmao
Is this the company that sues every camera company? No thanks, I'll stick with my Nikon Godzilla 9
If anyone wants a reasonable alternative the Blackmagic 12K is $6300 and does 8K120 RAW and 12K60 with no crop. It's big and heavy and not for everyone but damn if its not a beast of a camera for a fraction of the price of the RED. As much as I love RED cams themselves Jim Jannard is really holding the industry back with his patent trolling. And lets not forget the REDMAG fiasco, $100 M.2 SSD in a Fancy enclosure and they still want $1400 for a 480GB one.
I hope they do a G2 with better low light capability but the 12k BRAW is beautiful
@@philldixon8001 the 12k is good I. Low light
@@SamueleApperti your idea of low light is different to mine I believe. The Ursa is iso3200 max and for wildlife work that is a serious limitation, especially if you are at T9 on a CN20
@@philldixon8001 mine ursa 12k at 3200iso is better then my pocket 6k at 3200iso...
@@SamueleApperti that isn't a low light camera either. Think Varicam and those are a lot older and have dual base of 800 and 5000. An EVA1 has dual base of 800 and 2500. Trust me low light is not 3200 when you don't have studio lighting option.
Not gonna support a camera brand that cripples the market with raw patent
I despised red after I knew about that raw patent.
you are really uninteligent.
@G It's okay, I like it this way.
mehh, arri always ahead
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Don’t promote red CVP please
doesn't matter, it has terrible rolling shutter
It doesn’t, did you watch the tests in the video?
@@CVPTV I'd like to see more in depth comparison with true 35mm film camera. It's really important how camera transfers energy.