CDawgVA Reaction to Meeting Monsoon (Memes The DNA Of The Soul)
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I do like how this can be summed up as this.
Monsoon: "Don't you see, Jack? You're just a another killer, a murderer."
Raiden: "You know what? You're right. I do like killing; and I'm gonna kill you next."
Monsoon: "Wait, no."
Nah Monsoon Is happy in the end, passed down a meme
Not related to the topic, but 69th like here 0/
Raiden: wait I thought this whole operation was your idea
Advanced version:
Monsoon: "It's kill or be killed, and I'm going to teach you that!" (Holds a psychology 101 class themed on justifying killing)
Raiden: "Uh, I know that. I've been killing so I don't get killed. What do you think happened with Mistral? Though I must admit, I enjoy it more than I should."
(Monsoon throws goons at Raiden, who succumbs to bloodlust and kills Monsoon)
Monsoon, mostly destroyed and rapidly dying: "I'm so glad... I taught you... to kill..."
Oh, for a second, I thought you wrote “Don’t you see now, Jack? All this murder, and you still aren’t based”
The fact that everyone's repeating Monsoon's Memes bit proves his point, Memes ARE the DNA of the soul
The word itself is a meme.
Y e s
"You were right... about memes, I mean."
EXQUISITE
And then, a bit of Moonson's soul, a guy that never existed, took its place in ours.
Exquisite.
This game was start development in 2009, but the popularity of the word meme to refer funny images start in 2012. This game was release in 2013. Besides those "funny images" aren't so a far from the meaning of meme since those images referred to mundane things we do or think. In some way modern memes are the DNA of the soul.
To add, memes have been around for long before then my friend. Arguably, 4chan GETs (based on 2ch) were the start. Thank you based 2MGET Raptor Jesus.
@@requiemforameme1 Yes but popular on image boards and relevant in the mainstream are two very different things. Before meme was commonly known as what it is today, it had it's original meaning made by Richard Dawkins.
Did someone explain that to cannur? Or did he just leave thinking he meant haha funny meme guy?
@@TheHaHaNinja I was sharing memes in college then. Maybe not for everyone, but it was probably before.
@@requiemforameme1 i mean, if we want to understand monsoon, we need to seperate "funny image with short joke" from the actual meaning of meme
If you actually understand the academic definition of the word “meme” and what a meme actually is, this cutscene is actually pretty profound.
@@OrnsteinSama a meme is more than just a funny internet joke. It’s something that has existed since ancient times. Cave paintings and hieroglyphics are a form of meme, cultural sayings and adages are an example of memes. A meme is defined as “the smallest unit of culture that can be transmitted.”
So, essentially in this scene Monsoon is saying “it doesn’t matter what we say, think, or feel, the only part of our ideologies and beliefs that will survive past our deaths is the memes. We don’t have a say in how our actions will be perceived by future generations, people will see this conflict as what they want it to be. That is what will be passed down, not what actually happened. A caricature or distorted representation of reality.”
It also ties in with Metal Gear Solid 2 (the game that first introduced Raiden), where information control was a significant theme. Look up some of the codec conversations in that game and marvel at a 20 year old game discussing content algorithms and echo chambers.
Going off of what spiderdude said, another definition of memes I've seen a lot is "any idea that is passed along (much like a virus). "Modern" memes would technically fit this definition, though they're more like a _subset_ of the broader definition of memes.
Yup, you laugh at the dialog ur at first but when you come back around and actually try to understand it, Monsoon brings up some very good points
@@ArtistRei Terrifyingly good points might I add.
That entire scene feels like a fever dream. Actually the whole damn game feels like a fever dream.
thats the Kojingles move to shove existential dread into you within quotable content
I thought it was a fever dream until a while ago
Don't you mean a fever meme?
More like, Every game that Kojima made feels like a Fever Dream
Hey, you, your finally awake
DOKTOR TURN OFF MY CRINGE INHIBITERS
This is madness!
But Raiden you will lose subscribers
but raiden, that's lame as shit
Do it!!!
*Gangnam style playing in the background* I was fucking joking why did you do it?
Context: The Word MEME is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture and often carries symbolic meaning representing a particular phenomenon or theme
The word meme itself is a neologism coined by Richard Dawkins, originating from his 1976 book The Selfish Gene.
The term meme is a shortening (modeled on gene) of mimeme, which comes from Ancient Greek mīmēma (μίμημα; pronounced [míːmɛːma]), meaning 'imitated thing', itself from mimeisthai (μιμεῖσθαι, 'to imitate'), from mimos (μῖμος, 'mime').
But soon came the internet. An "Internet meme" is a concept that spreads rapidly from person to person via the Internet.[60] typically as a form of humor.
In 2013, Richard Dawkins characterized an Internet meme as one deliberately altered by human creativity, distinguished from his original idea involving mutation "by random change and a form of Darwinian selection.
So, internet memes are genetically modified academic memes.
@@liamwhite3522 *Mimetically modified
So in other words, memes are a meme of themselves
@@ALJ9000 that is why memes truly are the DNA OF THE SOUL
In other words monkey see monkey do
We can't take this guy seriously with the iconic qoute of "Memes. The DNA of the Soul".
STANDING HERE, I REALIZE YOU WERE
JUST LIKE ME, TRUING TO
@@malucoblz588 MAKE HISTORY, BUT WHOS TO JUDGE THE RIGHT FROM WRONG
WHEN OUR GUARD IS DOWN, I THINK
@@flamelrd1320 WE'LL BOTH AGREE, THAT
Memes was always the soul that resides in every human.
Kinda wack people never google "what is a meme" to see that the root concept of the word is the cultural analogue of genes.
"Memes. The DNA of the soul" is quite literal if we take the soul as a symbol of human consciousnesses.
Literally every single comment section where "memes,the DNA of the soul" comes up has a dozen of you people, typically below a dozen people giving the definition of the words memes (the DNA of the soul), with varying degrees of complexity and depth. Everyone knows what it means in the traditional sense. But using the modern interpretation of the word makes it way funnier, and whats the fucking point in arguing philosophy with a terrorist if you can't laugh at his arguments?
It's not a hard concept to understand it all boils down to how humans learn. If we consider memes to be a concept to be spread then it applies to all forms of learning. Which is the foundation of humankind. Monsoon is just an edge lord about it. He's not wrong but it's not exactly that deep
@ElSuperNova23 Your comment is a pointless comment tbh. Even if you don't know the original meaning of meme, the modern use is close enough because modern memes still represent mundane ideas and activities passed down through culture. Everyone still understands the whole point of Monsoon's argument. It's just that this dude is being super edgy about it that it's funny. Don't think too hard about it.
in a way it's just like I always said I am a living meme
🤓
The one soldier playing with the random kitty has his priorities in order
And dies 5 minutes later
To be honest after actually knowing what “memes” mean in this context it makes x10 more sense
Though still though, 10 times 0, it’s still 0
what does it mean?
@@sylokthedefiled Before internet memes went viral, a meme meant a viral, widespread idea that shapes how a person or a group of people act.
Meme is derived from the word gene. It was about the spread of information and it's ability to mutate.
It is also why viral is used to describe memes.
Information has a type of survival of the fittest..jucy rumors are often far more likely to spread than the truth for example.
@@sylokthedefiled To put it in the most simplest terms. a meme is like a genetic material that can be passed along generations, but it is in the form of ideas.
Ideas can be passed along, and can spread, and even mutate, like a virus. Spread it wide enough, and it can change societies and cultures. You expose someone in a specific type of "virus", they will get a specific type of sickness. So exposing a society through anger, and the whole society pass along that hate through generations, like a virus.
What Monsoon tries to explain is war is a "meme". You can't stop wars, because warfare is already evolved into an undying "virus" that can only spread. Monsoon believes society is diseased, but it is inevitable.
@@sylokthedefiled "meme" is a term similar to "gene". Genes are fragments of your genetic (a very small piece of information retained on a being), they carry traces from your ancestors and a few of them manifest on you, but most stay "innactive". Genes can be passed to an off spring and again most will not manifest, but can be further passed.
Memes work on a similar way, but for ideals, culture and beliefs. Memes are fragments of memories.
Kind of surprised so many people don't know what Meme really means
ITS WHEN YOU'RE EVIL ON THE COMPUTER
They put on a cute cat on the scene of stupid and uneducated people
@@Cieeel You're not wrong
It's DNA of the soul, duh
Why are you surprised?
I was going for all achievements in the game, so of course I needed to listen to most of codec, and that's when Kevin told Raiden about theory of memes after fighting Monsoon, which actually made sense.
Monsoon: Talking about _Memes._
Meanwhile one of the soldiers: ☺️🐱
I love that, it makes them More than just generic enemy soldiers since they are people who were pushed into this violence.
The soldier is imitating the cat. Hes meming.
This game is a fucking masterpiece to the point even the word meme being memed is a meme unintentionally.
The monsoon meme speech Is un-ironically one of if not my favourite speech in the entire game, funny as heck to listen to out of context, especially with the whole cat thing happening on the right, pretty profound and thought provoking within the context. The fact that It has become a meme It self amplifies everything i just talked about.
There are few things in the world more beautiful than watching someone experience MGRR for the first time.
He said “this is where I got stuck last time”
@@aduckie1616 Yeah but the game came out almost 10 years ago. You think he remembers anything? In 2013 most people didn't even know what a meme was.
Monsoon is using the original meaning of the word “meme” prior to it becoming just a shitty word for in-joke. Essentially it’s a sociological concept of an idea that is taught and passed along subconsciously, and permutates over the generations in a similar manner to genetic code. This is why places like the SCP archive talk about things being “memetic,” they’re ideas that embed themselves in people who encounter them and then can be passed to others.
Wait so are words memes as well?
@@throwawayaccount4398 Yep. If a word makes you wanna do something really bad, that's technically a meme
Yeah but the second definition in this context is even funnier
And it technically mutated into another meaning too
MGR:R is such a high quality shitpost that more often than not it actually makes people forget that it is one.
"Your full of shit"
Is that a meme?
Raiden, this whole game is a giant meme.
Without the knowledge of the actual meaning of the word "meme", this scene is batshit insane
3:33 I like how connor has the same reaction as monsoon and sam lol
I love this game and also like Connor's reactions, but I cant help to feel a bit sad about the whole internet not knowing that the word "meme" actually means something (or meant lmao) outside of the whole meme culture internet has created.
Funny enough, this game, behind all its craziness and fun stupid shit, has some interesting themes and topics worth discussing/talk about. Its not easy to see them in game -because of everything that happens-, and internet will just go "haha funny he said memes", but its cool and I like them. Watching analysis videos on this game is great
yeah, like how Armstrong has valid points about problems in the US, and a genuine desire to fix those problems, hence how he's garnered support over it, but his ideals to fix the problems are misguided and doomed to fail.
@@fireblast133 I mean yeah, ending all wars in nice but torturing children and ripping out their brains is beyond messed up...
@@looniemoonie5955 something, something the path to hell is paved with good intentions .............?
The internet altering the definition of meme is itself a meme.
@@loganbritton6737 yes
He really needs to see the maxor summary to truly appreciate the memes
Monsoon: the meme enthusiasts
Kojima is the God of writing profound dialog that's easy to meme the fuck out of. This speech and the "Why are we still here" are some of the deepest things I've heard in a while but they're also so God damned funny when used right
Love how this scene hasn't stopped baffling the crap out of people.
*Monsoon meme scene*
Normie: hAhA lmao memes
Intellectual: This is actually profound. Kojima is a genius.
Platinum games develop this amazing spin off, no involvement with Kojima this time
GigaChad: ah yes. The Cats can't be killed.
This is a 🤓 moment
Lol someone really call themselves intellectual. This is like Reddit moment
It's a good scene but not that deep. If we take the idea of meme being an concept of behavior, stories, beliefs and trends passed on to one another. Then duh, memes part of the reasons why humans dominated the world, our social skills and learning. It's the same as saying that learning and environment shapes who humans are, no shit it does.
i like how the video just starts with raiden saying f you
Buggy the clown in another dimension
its still a clown here, though
@@ero-senninsama1734 Not the Clown but the entire circus
it really sucked that he didn't get it, not just this but the entire game
Ah, the tutorial on how to properly parry
No, that was the Blade Wolf fight. This is the final exam.
''Your memes end here''
"No. I passed one... to you..."
@@TheHaHaNinja "That's a nice one. Do you have more?"
"My name is Monsoon of the shitposters initiative"
Go go gadget salami lid
"My name is Monsoon of the sussy impostors"
E M E R G E N C Y M E E T I N G
@@Chris.EP.95 Please don't do that again
Monsoon, of the Sussy Imposters.
EMERGENCY MEETING
@@jojo243 can you stop doing that?
HAHA NO
DOKTOR TURN OFF MY CHOKE INHIBITERS
Realizing Connor has no idea what the term "meme" actually means.
3:55 I like the scene where Raiden goes " ITS MORBIN' TIME!"
He quite literally said "It's Rippin' Time!", and I love it.
When I was shitposting on 4chan back in 2008, one of the first things I did was to Google what "meme" actually meant. You're telling me that none of the younglings today have ever looked into the word's origin? Bruh.
Metal gear solid has been using the term meme since Sons of Liberty in 2001.
@@duesexmachina6570 And the term was coined by Dawkins in one of his books in the late 70s. So if the term was first used by a major gaming IP back in 2001 and most people never really bothered to look it up? That's even sadder!
I mean that's pretty understandable if most people didn't look it up. How can you expect people to look up the meaning of every single word that they've heard lol, especially since most people nowadays think they already know what a meme is.
@@knashboi3914 If I don't know what the meaning of a word is, then I look it up. Otherwise, I'll just be misusing terms left and right. Context clues can only get you so far.
This cutscene is still so profound and still speaks to mordern life so well lol
"Who saves the cringe from the man who saves the cringe?"
"Why do they make them so thick" pardon?
Revengeance is legitimately an incredible game. I'm so happy that it's a massive meme now.
More people are getting into it and just like all Metal gear games it's not meant to be taken seriously so being a meme is just a win for everyone.
Aside from the meme itself that is the phrase "memes. The DNA of the soul", moonsoon does have a good point about using the word meme to define what he is saying.
but seriously "memes. The DNA of the soul" is one of my favorite memes to repeat to others without context because it sounds so dumb.
"Now there's a pretty meme. Exquisite!"
The best thing about it is that Monsoon is proven right by the fact that people who don't understand what meme means (that it means more than just "haha funny picture") think he makes no sense
It's interesting how today's definition of the term "meme" has completely supplanted it's original meaning, while at the same time still perfectly exemplifying it.
Memes are defined as any kind of information that can be passed on from one person to another, comparable to the genes of a culture (therefore the name), they include philosophies, jokes, ideas, stories, emotions and much more.
*E X Q U I S I T E.*
Dawg: you can't just show a serious scene after a guy saying about memes
Me who plays mgs: it's always like that
Usually the conversations about memes and the serious scenes are one and the same too.
This scene alone shows you why this game is such a huge meme. The fight with Armstrong is peak meme
Everyone in the comment section is talking about what the word "meme" actually means, but I am still distracted by the stream comment at 0:44 during Monsoon's entrance: "holy shit, imagine the sex."
1:48 memes
1:16 flowy nods in agreement
you either die a hero, or live long enough to see youself become the villain
He’s referring to memes as in the scientific definition of memes…not exactly internet memes.
Still that whole speech is hilarious
Homie said fuck it and started listening to the intrusive thoughts
"If you kill a killer, the amount of killers in the world won't change, Jack"
"I'll kill 100"
"Wait that's not in the script-"
Man I can't wait for the edit of this stream mudan or anyone from his group is gonna have a field day
The thing most not realize: there are not only the genes but the memes as well
4:26 Joey with his Katana in a zombie apocalypse
If you keep looking at the cat you can see it’s getting pet
So thats where the 'now thats a pretty meme' comes from
I'm so used to hearing "My name is Monsoon for the sussy imposters. Emergency meeting."
"Not so black and white now, is it Jack?!-"
"Fuck you."
The Chat is filled with The Power of Memes!
Monke experiencing some exquisite game story-telling
For those who are also confused. The dictionary definition of "meme" is an element of culture of system that is passed down from one person to the next through non-genetic ways, typically imitation. It's derived from the greek word "mimēma" which means to imitate.
My name is Memesoon. Of the Memes of Destruction.
The fucking chat when he said the line
"Controlled by memes! DNA of the soul!"
Oh crap, we're being controlled by 4chan operative
Weren’t the cyborg soldiers childrens? If that so, them playing with a cat and having childish behaviour makes a lot of sense.
Probably one of the last pieces of media to use the word “meme” for its anthropological meaning
I honestly cannot comprehend this game being real
Imagine not paying attention when the bad guy explains what a meme is and then asking "why is he talking about memes". All of this just went over his head because he was reading chat or something.
Its kinda sad to see this topic lost to so many people plus it brings up an interesting question about your personal future: How YOU do want leave a mark on the world? Most people get to the high school mentality and the just....stop. They don't keep striving for to be influential even to a small different group of people. Not alot of people want to leave their "cave painting" for somebody else.
God I love monsoon
“Memes jack!”
In Conor's case it should sound like: "MILFS! The DNA of the soul!"
*Connor makes Raiden look to the right to the mook with the kitty*
Monsoon: Now there's a pretty meme.
This is technically the end of the mgs timeline
The word meme has a bit of more profound meaning than as we usually know it
The experience of someone who doesn't know anything about the series vs someone familiar with it couldn't be more different in Revengeance.
the word "meme" was coined by richard dawkins, who combined the word gene and the greek word mimema. basically, to quote EmpLemons video, MEME Theory: How Donald Trump used Memes to Become President, he states; "a meme is the fastest way to put an idea in someone's head". so a meme could be something like anger, as what Monsoon describes as a meme. idk why i typed this
"Doktor turn off my meme inhibitors"
theyre talking abt the other memes, like where you imitate someones traits (culture and behaviour) without genetically having them
Memesoon of the memes of
destruction
1:22 Holy shit how did I never get it.
Monsoon is Cambodian.
He witnessed the Cambodian genocide.
That’s how he got his ideology.
Oh my god.
This game is re-goddamn-diculous
Here they are taking the meme to it's literal meaning it's still cheesy but not as cheesy as thinking it's memes as conceived nowadays.
Monsoon is just Connor's alter ego
I seriously hope Connor ends up playing the Metal Gear Solid games. Some of the stuff on Rising would make more sense to him then.... at the same time it will also complicate some things too in the process
If only people knew what the word actually means.
You're supposed to play metal gear solid 2 for this scene to make sense
People playing this game: What is going on? But I like it somehow?
Knowing what meme means is easy...
I'll give an example, if i talk about a gorilla i bet people will think about a certain gorilla
If i talk about coughing in 21st century, people will think not about flu or influenza but of something else....
Meme.....is an idea that could shape people's conciousness.
Considering he hasn't played MGS2 I'm not surprised he doesn't understand what the original definition of Meme is, and not the colloquial definition.
Anymore meme clips you could post?
The memes jack eat them beans!!!!!
Memes are more than just funny images, the other definition for is a part of culture, system or behaviour passed down through generations through a non genetic way. So when he says the DNA of the soul it actually makes sense. Kojima is such a madlad creating this game nearly a decade ago.